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Horse Tracks 10/17/09 - Buckhalter and Jordan to play Monday; Savannah State to retire Sharpe's Number

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DPP - Q&A: Broncos' Orton takes off glove, and his passes take off - Jeff Legwold
"Orton's teammates consider him to be a tough, smart guy who spends a lot of time at the Broncos facility - taking more preparation time, the players say, than Jay Cutler or Jake Plummer did."

DPP - Broncos' bridge too far is 3rd- and 4th-and one - Lindsay Jones
"We've had a lot of different reasons why we weren't successful on the few short yardage situations we've missed, and we're going to work hard to try to fix that," McDaniels said.

DB - More Than Meets the Eye - Gray Caldwell
Despite what Woody says, coaches and veteran players are impressed with Robert Ayers, his attitude, work ethic and contributions on game day. "You try to contribute when you can and make the plays that come to you instead of going out of your way to make plays, because that's when you mess up the team scheme," Ayers said.

DB - Leadership On Multiple Fronts - Chris Gentilviso

DB - Week 6 - Fri: McDaniels - Broncos TV

AP - Shannon Sharpe's (College) Number To Be Retired - Jonathan Landrum

Star-divide

DB - A Few Minutes With Champ Bailey - Broncos TV

LTC - Orton’s confidence growing with Broncos - Brian Howell

CSG - Broncos DE all jazzed up about aerobics - Frank Schwab

CSG - Broncos motivated against San Diego nemesis - Frank Schwab

DPP - Analysis: Broncos' "D" fantastic with four rushers - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Video review: Playoff zeal expected in S.D. - Jeff Legwold

DB - Savoring the Single Week - Jim Saccomano

DP - Armstrong: Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton has great "D" Jay Cutler would have killed for
Lots of drivel...

AFC West News

SDUT - Orton says he's thrilled with Broncos - Tod Leonard

SDUT - Believe it: O-line showing improvement - Kevin Acee

SDUT - Blackout lifted for Monday's game - Jay Posner

ESPN - Final Word: AFC West - Bill Williamson

KCS - Cassel comfortable in hurry-up offense - Adam Teicher

KCS - Chiefs notebook: Albert not ruled out for Sunday’s game - Kent Babb

SFC - Hanson looking for lie-detector showdown - David White

SFC - Giants noticed Raiders' lack of emotion - David White

OT - Eagles ready to dog it against Raiders - Steve Corkran

NFL News

NFL - Ravens' Lewis fined $25K two infractions, including hit on Ochocinco

NFL - Mendenhall returns from illness, expected to start over Parker

NFL - Bucs trade former first-round pick Adams to Bears for draft pick
Wow. When is the Bears' first draft pick next year? The 4th round? Holy smokes...

NFL - Ochocinco, sponsor help keep sellout streak alive, avoid blackout

NFL - Roethlisberger seeking unspecified counter damages from accuser

NFL - Goodell, Smith will testify at hearing on head injuries among players

NFL Opinion

FOX - Bad protection, big production for Pack's Rodgers - Kevin Hench
"Orton was hit squarely below the knees against the Patriots and there was no call. Then again, Orton didn't turn to the ref with his palms up and plead for the flag."

NFL - Undefeated teams more a product of league's weak links - Jason La Canfora
"It's funny, because a few weeks back we all were asking whether or not Denver was for real -- myself included -- but by virtue of their early schedule the Broncos have actually faced the toughest road." La Canfora goes on to show he knows practically nothing about the Broncos by writing, "Nolan inherited a team that ranked dead last in many defensive areas, very little was done to change the roster on his side of the ball, yet now they rank first in many statistical categories." Dawkins, Hill, Goodman, A. Smith, Bruton, McBath, Davis, Ayers, Holliday, Reid, Fields, etc. Yes, very little was done to change the defensive roster...

NFL - Modern-day 'big three' gives Falcons chance at ultimate success - Steve Wyche

NFL - It may be same old situation for teams seeking turnaround - Pat Kirwan

Y! - Jackson not clamoring to escape losing Rams - Mike Silver

SI - Rush Limbaugh was business liability to group trying to buy Rams - Jack McCallum

NFP - Double-dipping can be a good thing - Andrew Brandt

NFP - Diner morning news: Too many problems in Big D - Mike Lombardi

SI - What to watch in NFL Week 6, including Giants vs. Saints - Ross Tucker

SI - Eli Manning returns to New Orleans, Ray Lewis faces Brett Favre - Peter King

CBS - Peek at the Week: Saints seek Super status, Ravens require redemption - Clark Judge

SN - Week 6: Ten Bold Predictions - RealScouts
4. Chargers D will outplay Broncos D - "the Broncos safeties could be exposed by TE Antonio Gates, who is a dangerous threat on the seam, and the height advantage enjoyed by the Chargers receivers could yield some big plays downfield in this one."

ESPN - Bill Simmons Week 6 NFL matchups on and off the field
"Josh McDaniels & Mike Nolan (-10) over NORV TURNER & RON RIVERA 'Nuff said. "

ESPN - John Clayton breaks down the biggest NFL games of Week 6

ESPN- NFL Picks and Predictions for Week 6

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Great work as usual Nyc

I enjoy your comments too. Especially the shot at La Canfora.
I watched Shannon Sharpe in the Senior Bowl where he tore it up, and thought, “This kid is going to be a good NFL player.” I was elated when our Broncos “Stole” him in the draft. I even complimented Shanny’s decision to make him a TE. He’s earned his accolades and we should see him in Canton this year.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 17, 2009 7:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, Kirk. Reeves made Shannon a TE, not Shanny – right?

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 17, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Doh!

You got me. =)

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 17, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks again NYC...

Y’all be sure to check out the great write up on Ayers today…

by BroncoSense72 on Oct 17, 2009 8:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Oh, that annoyed me

“Orton was hit squarely below the knees against the Patriots and there was no call. Then again, Orton didn’t turn to the ref with his palms up and plead for the flag.”

I was yelling at the TV when it happened, but then forgot about it after we won. Does anyone have the clip of that? I couldn’t find anything on youtube. Sometime in the 4th quarter I believe.

by BTS on Oct 17, 2009 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

You got to be Brady to get the "Brady" rule called in your favor.

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Oct 17, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or Peyton

Saw a similar play over the weekend w/Manning. Hit occurs, there’s a pause as Manning slowly turns to the zebra. It’s like “You ARE going to call that, right?”

Official hurriedly reaches for the flag “Of COURSE Mr. Manning sir. You betcha!”

Orton, of course, well that’s different. Right now, Orton’s this guy:

But that’s changing.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 17, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Forgot about Peyton

I saw that one play against Miami and I realized how BS that call is. I mean when you are on the ground near the QB, I guess you just stay there.

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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Oct 17, 2009 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 17, 2009 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
Despite what Woody says, coaches and veteran players are impressed with Robert Ayers, his attitude, work ethic and contributions on game day.

I didn’t realize anyone still took Woody seriously.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Oct 17, 2009 10:19 AM MDT reply actions  

Woody takes Woody seriously -- no one else does

I thought of posting that article, as an addition to an earlier post in which I cast a skeptical eye at Woody’s so-called “insider” information registering doubt about the progress of Smith and Ayers.

Even though I’m not disinterested in football news, columns (analysis; not reporting) like Woody’s interest me more for their psycho-dynamics than any purported information they contain.

My reading is that Paige is still milking the “McDaniels is clueless” myth, and his main target is the low information type of reader. The Broncos got wind of it — is my guess — and they immediately responded. Also, it didn’t help that an article was written in the CS’s Gazette about Ayer’s (good) progress immediately before the Paige column, but there’s not much overlap in the readership. Readers in the Springs might notice but few others would.

I won’t indulge in Woody bashing but I wanted to reiterate that there’s a reason when I do. It’s unusual for me. Woody is a special case however, and it’s necessary that I raise red flags to warn people since the innocuous appearance of his columns belies their malicious intent. He’s not advocating a “point of view,” he’s making factual claims that are — apparently — false. Woody is deceiving people and I don’t think his behavior should go unrecognized by people. Paige can defend himself against my charge that he’s a liar if he quotes that “insider” — but I guarantee you he won’t.

"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí

by Colinski on Oct 17, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think you SHOULD post that article you were pondering, Colinski (as usual). I’m not sure how many folks check back here for the comments, and frankly people should be reading your writing!

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 18, 2009 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

original column

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/10/15/1086025/horse-tracks-10-15-09-buckhalter#22832896

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13562380

What’s going on with Alfonso Smith? I’ve watched every game and have noticed Jack Williams is playing as the nickel corner on most of the snaps. For a guy who we traded our 2010 first round pick for it seems he’d be on the field more.

— Steve, Atlanta, Ga.

Steve: Alfonso hasn’t been a factor so far. He has a handful of tackles; a couple of passes defended, and has been a complete bust as a punt return man (I think four returns for nine yards). I genuinely believe he and Robert Ayers, despite what some people shout, just haven’t advanced as quickly as the Broncos would like, and I’ve been told that by someone on the inside. It doesn’t mean either is a bust, but just that they probably won’t contribute that much until later this season, if at all. It’s too early to dismiss them, but not too early to say they won’t be on the all-rookie team.

It’s probably better to take up this issue in a future post since I doubt that many people will backtrack to discuss this issue now. Nonetheless, I’ll post the contentious column by Paige, which provides me with an easy way to trace these issues in the future — if needed.

There are several problems with Paige’s contention; Schwab of the C.S.Gazette had posted an article on Oct. 1(below), two weeks before the Paige column about the progress of Ayers, and that’s “progress” in a positive sense. And Schwab’s article contained some actual reporting and concretely discussed the coaching staff’s attitudes, which revealed that he had actually talked to someone. Paige doesn’t show the same level of concreteness in his Mailbag column, so “who” and “what” were said — (if anyone on the inside actually said something) — are open to question.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/ayers-63053-broncos-englewood.html

At first glance, the Denver Broncos’ first-round pick hasn’t lived up to expectations, with only one tackle and no other stats through three games. But linebackers coach Don Martindale explained that Ayers, who has played in the Broncos’ nickel defense on passing downs, has done plenty that doesn’t show up in the stat sheet and is making a normal progression for a rookie.

"He’s doing a lot of good things in our team defensive scheme that people don’t see and recognize," Martindale said.

Martindale offered an example: Against the Browns, Ayers’ responsibility on certain plays was to "set the edge," or keep the quarterback contained in the pocket. Ayers held his ground against Cleveland Pro Bowl left tackle Joe Thomas. Dumervil benefited with a four-sack day.

"That was able to free up Elvis Dumervil, along with everybody else," Martindale said. "If he doesn’t play his role in that pass rush, in that situation, Brady Quinn is able to get out of the pocket. There’s things like that, times that we ask him to do a lot of different things other than just rush the passer or setting the edge of the defense. I’m really excited about him."

The Broncos admit Ayers isn’t a finished product. He’s still learning the nuances of the defense and of playing outside linebacker after being primarily a defensive end in college. Martindale said Ayers is working in a positive direction toward becoming a full-time starter, but all of Denver’s starting linebackers ahead of him are playing well.

The team is fine with how Ayers has fared so far as a rookie.

"I have nothing but good things to say about Robert Ayers," Martindale said. "I think he’s right on schedule."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=9476

The Broncos responded to Paige’s Oct. 15 column with their Oct. 16 story by Gray Caldwell on the subject.

In football, perception isn’t always reality.

Some perceived the Broncos to be a disappointing team before the season even started. Undefeated through five games, that couldn’t be further from the truth.

In the same vein, some perceive Robert Ayers’ impact on the football field so far this season to be miniscule. As far as linebackers coach Don Martindale is concerned, that’s a short-sighted view.

“That’s what fantasy football has done — everybody’s looking at tackles, assists and sacks and all that instead of actually watching the game and seeing some of the things that he does,” Martindale said. “I think every snap, every play, he gets better.”

Andra Davis said teammates have noticed that Ayers’ improvement from week to week comes from a a strong will, a humble attitude and a willingness to do whatever it takes to get better.

“To come in as a first-round pick, to get thrown in that fire early and you’re expected to make a contribution, that’s tough for a lot of people, and I applaud him,” Davis said. “I applaud his efforts and his approach to the game.”

… ..(see rest through link)"

I go on at length here but the truly egregious aspect of Paige’s reporting is that Alphonso Smith, whose play erased any doubts about him at the beginning of the season immediately, has been injured. It’s hard for me to believe that Paige wouldn’t be aware of this fact — so, was he playing on the ignorance of some fans to generate a controversy?

I could go back and analyze Paige’s contribution to the McJaygate issue, too, but my point is simply that he’s ill-motivated. It’s not about having a different point of view. He’s using language in a particular way to achieve his goals. Paige is a practitioner of the “smack talk” style of sports journalism, which may have begun in radio where sports talk call-in programs were deliberately provocative in order to survive in the ‘here today; gone tomorrow’ world of radio. A segue — much of today’s media is focused on the personal lives of athletes, and this, too, could have been a development that’s explained by changes in the media. Think of it as a form of “real world” journalism, which is scandal-focused and doesn’t require writers nor content.

A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall of words between his consciousness and his real self.

-- Eric Hoffer

by Colinski on Oct 18, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ha, I meant as a FanPost so everyone has a better chance to see/read it!

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 18, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree Nyc

I try to read everything Colinski posts or comments on.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 18, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

you can subscribe to Colinski

by following this link.

Every member has an RSS feed associated with their posts… unfortunately, the same thing cannot be said for comments…oh well.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 19, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

And another honor for Big Play Shay

Awesome.

Glad to hear Buck is going to play – man, that one two punch of him and Knowshon was really beginning to develop. I think starting last week was good for KnoMo…he is improving every week and starting to shed some bad habits, and it’s paying off. These two are going to make some beautiful music together…

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Oct 17, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Now playing on NFL Network

Broncos vs. Chargers 2002, the overtime game that the Chargers won 30-27. Game just started on NFLN and is a fun one to watch. Dick Enberg and Dierdorf calling the game.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Oct 17, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Started at 11am PST

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Oct 17, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clinton Portis taking handoffs

from Steve Beurlein!

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Oct 17, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

nyc

haven’t said thanks in a while. Can i say thanks times 100 and put some in the bank

by mikebirty on Oct 17, 2009 12:21 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I was going to write a fan post this week

but decided against it cause it isnt worth the effort

JAY CUTLER COULD NOT RUN THIS OFFENSE

there I said it and will go on record with that comment because his mentality was not this type. He wanted to play “Highlight” football" not “Smart Fotball”

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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Oct 17, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

The shine of cutser is slowly dulling and the glimmer of his sparkle is fading.

Go Falcons…kick the living crap out of him and give him a rude welcome to the nfc.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 17, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just making the statement is enough,

along with your two sentence analysis. It"s an interesting football discussion for sure, but moving forward, we are.

Was ain't Is.

by oncobronco on Oct 17, 2009 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shannon had pedestrian numbers at SSU

That’d be like putting Floyd Little in the Ring of Fame. Oh, wait.

by ELGee on Oct 17, 2009 1:21 PM MDT reply actions  

You're joking, right?

There would be no Denver Broncos without Floyd Little.

Shannon was the conference POY in 1987 and a 3-time all-conference selection. In ‘89 he was a D2 All-American. He’s also going to be in the Pro Football HOF at some point; perhaps even next year. Heck, if he had played in 2 games for Savannah State they should retire his number. How many D2 schools produce any HOFers?

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 17, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

“There would be no Denver Broncos without Floyd Little”

What does that even mean? His numbers looked okay upon retirement, but he’s buried now. Benefited from the old style of football when RBs were run into the ground. He’s borderline at best and I’d be scared to see who starts to get in if his induction opens the floodgates.

by ELGee on Oct 17, 2009 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some people

look at actual play instead of merely looking at box scores

by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 17, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Little helped legitimize the Broncos and build their attendance to justify the expansion of Mile High. Without Little, the Broncos would probably not have lasted in Denver.

I’m a “stat guy” myself, but you cannot make a case for/against players purely by looking at their numbers. However, I’m confused by your statement about Little getting “run into the ground.” Terrell Davis actually had more carries than Little. One must consider the context of the day – Little retired as the 7th-leading rusher in NFL history and went to 5 Pro Bowls, back when the Pro Bowl actually meant something.

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 18, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Once again

Stats are not the end all be all. As SWG says, it’s best to look at the actual play than the box score, something you’ve clearly never done in Floyd Little’s case.

To minimize Floyd’s impact on this franchise, is to be entirely ignorant of the history of the Denver Broncos- entirely ignorant.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

You mean to tell me that Sharpe's number wasn't retired at Savannah State?

I have to believe that he’s the only reason that anyone knows that that school exists.

By the way, did anybody notice the name of the guy that’s replacing Gaines Adams on Tampa’s D-Line? Stylez G. White. What a name.

"You were born to be a player. You were meant to be here. This moment is yours." -- Coach Herb Brooks' pregame speech prior to the Miracle on Ice

by wtnelson on Oct 17, 2009 3:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Used to be Greg White

Changed his name roughly around the same time Ocho did, but obviously to much less acclaim. It’s a shame too, given it’s a much better name. He can play.

by ELGee on Oct 17, 2009 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Way to remain grounded

“What we talked about is Chicago, Denver, Dallas, Washington, Buffalo were all at the top of their division at this point last year and none of them made the playoffs”

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams

by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 17, 2009 11:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I mute the TV....

when La Canfora speaks.

They were really stuck when they had to replace Schefter. La Canfora seems to get his breaking news and analysis from Google…. LOL

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Oct 18, 2009 8:45 AM MDT reply actions  

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