however, I am a big advocate for serving what’s been served to you. Call me spiteful or vengeful, but I believe if someone can dish it out, they can take it too. It’s one thing to go overboard and start wishing death upon another person (Windy City Gridiron), but it’s another when you’re merely showing up to the doorstep of those that chose to laugh in your face and make premature assumptions. I don’t start trash with any person. But I don’t have a problem reminding people when they are flat out wrong.

See this and this for my own personal examples.

Frankly, having peeked over at WCG post-game, I’m dreading the cesspool this site will become with haters after the Broncos finally drop one. Seriously, guys, quit acting like Cutler’s crazy ex-girlfriend. Save the smack for the upcoming opponent- it just comes across as sad otherwise. The team has silenced the critics, no use running our mouths now.

Definitely required reading.

There will always be some to and froing, especially with the Bears.
I like the folks at WCG> Botta, Rockos and Smudgers are good guys, and I have been over there during games, as I am sure they have been during our games.
As I said to the guys on WCG, we are inevitably tied together, npt only because of Cutler, but because us backing against them is good for OUR team because of drafting position..
There is a fine line between some tongue in cheek banter, and we all need to observe that, especially in others chat rooms, but as long as opinions are logiacl without persona spite, everyone should be fine.
WHat happens at MHR stays at MHR, and the game threads here are fun places to let your hair down with your friends….I have no problem with that, but we should all watch the line (me included) when visiting other places.
Peace!

GREAT post, and well illustrated point.

I commend you sir, and re-commend the post!

Some of my Facebook “friends” are Bears fans and they gave me hell. I try not to taunt, but I make exceptions to the rule when they need crow jammed down their throats. Thankfully, these times are few and far between. Let’s go 6-0 and let the MSM go to hell. GO BRONCOS!!!

I have friends tat are Dallas fans and I could give them allot of crap. But I enter every season with the understanding 1. I love watching football, period! 2. Broncos are my team not my life. 3. Eventualy (not tonight) we will lose a game this season. It helps me keep the crap talk out and the smart football talk in. We are not the Fader Nation we have pride and dignity. I love MHR because it is a base of Bronco believers not a bunch of haters.
Sorry, thought I would pile on.

Go Broncos!!!!!! 6-0

This is from the Giants’ blog – the top guy talks about how already he has had to delete many comments because of name calling, etc., after their tough loss in New Orleans. But remember the old saying (While yet unspoke, you are master of the word. After it is spoken, the word is master of you).

http://www.bigblueview.com/2009/10/19/1090904/stay-classy-fellas

I’ve been reading a lot of stuff recently that hasn’t shown some of our brothers in a good light. Be Humble in Victory because it won’t last. All the smack talk looks completely foolish if at the end of the year you lose. Only at the end of the year can we suggest anything, and only then if we win it all. Anything but a win in the last game of the year makes smack look silly…. And those that win the last game of the year should start planning to win the next year. That is how you build a dynasty and dominate. Then, even if we go undefeated for the next 5 years, humility pays.

It is one of my favorite things to cross-blog with our opponent’s fans. I’ve been pleasantly surprised at how cordial they have been to it if you are respectful and just want to talk football.

Always realize you are at “their” house when you visit another blog. Just like you wouldn’t go to someone’s house and walk around on their carpets with muddy shoes, have the same kind of thought toward what you do elsewhere.

Smack talk is fun if it isn’t being personal…that’s the muddy water many of us get into trouble with. If you don’t know where that line is, then you probably should keep your smack talk on MHR…as at least you are doing it in your house. :)

That’s one of my favorite pieces of advice that I was given by a level-headed teacher one time. “You’ve got to rise above it.” Be the bigger person. If people came in here to talk trash one time just feel sorry for them that they’re that kind of person.

Anyway, thanks for this post. I could not agree more.

Last night I had to deal with this on one of my favorite baseball blogs, in which my fellow Dodger fans and I had to deal with a couple of people basically rubbing our noses in it after that awful loss last night. Thereare rules on that site about baiting other commenters and this person was pushing it. I’m not sure why people feel compelled to gloat, but in his case he used the fact that some stranger, another D fan that none of us knew, had felt cocky about that series and thus all the rest of us apparently deserved to be kicked when we were down.

Now that was just one game so hope is still around the corner, and it’s just one guy’s words so ultimately I moved on from it, basically feeling sorry for someone who felt like that would make them happy. What kind of life does one need to get joy out of other people’s misery?

I rose above it. I suggest the same for others, too. Enjoy the good, enjoy your team, rise above the other temptations.

I think that the vindication from a Broncos win is vindication enough.

This ^

Lurk all you want on other sites, but some of these gleeful shadenfreude posts on other fansites only makes MHR look petty and mean – and certainly doesn’t pay any goodwill forward. I know it was a tough offseason for everyone, and there is a part in us that enjoys being vindicated (especially within our own divided fanbase), but we are a classier bunch than to go into another’s house and piss on their fresh wounds even as they grasp at the reality of things.

I did follow a story over to another teams SB Nation site, and I was appalled at the smack and insults hurled toward the Broncos over there. While I did not answer in kind, I did post my surprise and disappointment that, while this would be expected on a run-of-the-mill football message board, it would be taking place on an SB Nation site.

I guess maybe I have been spoiled by MHR? I don’t see that kind of smack and denigrating toward other teams here. Perhaps a lot of it is because our Guru does not like it. I am so glad and proud that I am a member of MHR and we have the leader here that we do.

I hope we maintain the relatively high standard that I did not witness on the other site.

Larry A Blake

I used to post all the time at the DP, but I’ve quit cold turkey (about four months ago maybe).

I quit because I noticed all the trash talking there usually went hand and hand with lack of football knowledge. I’d spend all day fussing with someone that didn’t know football. What is the use of chatting with someone that does NOT know the difference between a safety vs CB blitz, that does not know false start is a penalty you can’t decline, that couldn’t name two coaches from the 2008 Bronco staff. This became so clearly pointless as I got accustomed to the way things are done at MHR. Night vs Day.

The turning point for me was this: Sometime in August, Mike Klis openly admitted he didn’t know Everette Pedescleaux was even on the Broncos roster. As a member of MHR, I’d already read six different scouting reports on Everette Pedescleaux before Klis even knew Peds was on the team. When the writers don’t know what they are penning, what should you expect from their readers? Hence, why MHR is my first source from Bronco info. I’ve been avoiding posting on the other sites even sense because they are junk food that always leave me feeling bored and sick to my stomach after I’ve had my fill. Disclaimer, I still post on ESPN because I very much enjoy bashing Bill Williamson. Sue me, I’m childish that way. I just can’t stand that plagiarist.

If you must, read the DP for the "Briefs" section (it’s facts like which guys sat out practice, whom won play of week awards, whom got fined). The other articles are pretty much a waste of time because the topics will have already been covered more thoroughly at MHR (likely weeks before Kiszla brings up a hot issue). They’ll probably start discussing our poor short yardage running game around Nov 1st.

(likely weeks before Kiszla brings up a hot issue)

Setting aside the fact that none of the gloaters were on the grass contributing to the win,

This is what kills me, no one actually suits up on Sunday but talks trash as if they did. Chumpy.

GO BRONCOS

There is nothing wrong with talking smack. As with everything else, it can be done the right way or the wrong way. Those relying on name calling ("you are fat and ugly" How did you know? You have never seen me) or the often used "I do your sister/girlfriend who is…………" or "You live in your mother’s basement and……" clearly lack class as well as wit and are not worth paying attention to but those, who can embarrass and ridicule an opposing fan by taking his own words and proving him wrong by cleverly turning those words against him, have done a great service to The Broncos, their fans and all the readers regardless of their affiliations.

RaRaDonk89, you ask "Why rub salt on every wound. Isn’t it enough to be right, and know that you will probably be more right than they are in future?" No, that isn’t enough. There is a great deal of satisfaction in basking in glory as well as in getting revenge (I never understood the allure in winning a survivor league where everybody gets booted so only you and the runner up even know who the ultimate winner turned out to be). You also fault the press for having "declared failure rather than reserve judgment until things have played out." So in your opinion, one should neither express expectations nor revel in success. I suppose you, RaRaDonk89, could engage others in discussions both free of predicting the unknown and of heated passion by limiting yourselves to what took place last year. That would be an exchange meeting your criteria for polite interaction but I doubt you would enjoy the company of many participants.

The saddest part of your post, RaRaDonk89, is the ending but it sums it up well. Your "no disrespect to…..", "just had to get this off my chest," and "Sorry if this post really bothers someone or if I’m totally off base, only second post, please forgive" goes hand in hand with the rest of you submittal, of course, and is equally pathetic. jeffG is absolutely right when he tells kentuckybronco: "Talking smack is part of the enjoyment of following sports as closely as the people on these sports sites do. Some of you really need to lighten up, in my opinion. Stop genuflecting, kentuckybronco." If you have an honest opinion, just state it. No apologies.

I have not read the posts Kentuckybronco now regrets having written. Perhaps he is right in expressing remorse but does this kind of self flagellation (and follow up ‘holier than thou’ posts) really deserve seven recommendations (at latest count)? That kind of reminds me of two brothers I knew as a teenager. One was given $100 by their dad for quitting smoking. The other one, who had never smoked, was given nothing! Pubkeeper wrote: "This is what kills me, no one actually suits up on Sunday but talks trash as if they did." Here’s what kills me (and what Pubkeeper fails to understand): It is COMPETITION that makes competition fun. It is precisely because we are NOT competing on the field that we substitute by competing with words, i.e. thoughts. Sorry if this submittal offends anybody. NOT!

My opinion is that real fans do no delight in making other fans of lesser teams suffer.When I run into a fan of the opposing team that the Broncos just beat,such as the Cowboys or the Raiders,I feel empathy for them,for I know how lousy I feel when the Broncos lose

But, the reason for the trolling is quite obvious to me. It’s the internet, and that applies in more ways than one. A) The exposure of MHR to the more mainstream forum goers has brought some of the typical forum trash over. B) While you may not, some do take great pleasure in goading others into a frenzy. The thread on Field Gulls qualifies as one of the easiest trolls out there, yet it caused quite an uproar from a few inviduals.

I actually commented a few times in that thread, none of it meant to be truly “trollish”. I’ve actually posted on that SB site for a while, and 99% of the time I keep the Broncos out of the discussion. They have a very good, informative group of authors there, and it’s unfortunate that one guy kind of ruins the atmosphere a little.

But, with more exposure and more visitors for MHR comes more yahoos and forum trash. I can easily pick out the yahoos, though.

But this is bordering on ridiculous… Can everyone just simmer down? Seriously! In the grand scheme of things, whether or not Cutler or Orton sucks is not that big of deal. Could we just drop it please?? As Guru said, let’s focus on our football team.

And try to look at it this way… the folks who run and contribute to this site… put a lot of their time and effort into their product so that we the casual consumers can come here and be entertained and get our one-stop-shop of Bronco news and analysis. If the majority of the site would like us members to behave in a respectable manner on other sites, I really don’t think that is too much to ask, is it?

Seriously… this what all this ridiculous banter reminds me of:

We have a game to get ready for… ALL EFFIN READY.

    But what WON’T be an effect is that what somebody else said elsewhere is at all representative of this site unless you allow it to be.

    If you criticize the action, that’s one thing. But do so because you dislike the action, not because you dislike what the action says about you. Because it says NOTHING about you.

    Unless you allow it to.

You make the point Better than I can, so I quote you. What was said at WCG says nothing about MHR unless we allow it to….. and how do we allow it??? By saying nothing and doing nothing, as you propose. By acknowledging it and discouraging it, we keep it from being perceived as representative of what we are and what we do. That simple. No bans or punishments needed… just a statement and request concerning what we are trying to be at MHR. And make no mistake, we are different from the average site. I get what what you are saying… it would typically be referred to as Moral Nihilism. I don’t need that, and this site doesn’t need that. I don’t personally have anything against your view, and you are welcome to it. But your view does not represent the majority, nor the Editor, for lack of a better title. This isn’t a democracy, and there is no constitution, so your rights have no application here, NOR does anyone here have the right or ability to control, modify, or direct your postings here or elsewhere. But we can control the perception that you represent us…. whether you like it or acknowledge it or not.
Thanks for your input, I might have struggled to verbalize this for a minute or two otherwise. Thanks to you it was simple and easily expressed.

RaRaDonk is my son and i could not be prouder! As a single father of four, I have always hoped to pass on the most important lessons. When you see that you have there is the most intense sense of accomplishment imaginable.