Footballguys.com roundtable: Are the Broncos For Real?
For those of you who care, I found the footballguys discussion on the Broncos an interesting one. These guys are usually very thorough and look at data, rather than just thier guts.
In the end, two of the five writers say yes, the Broncos are for real, one is on the fence and one is totally negative. I am sure that all five considered the Broncos a joke before the season started... All details after the jump.
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To many, the Broncos looked like a train wreck before the season started. But now they're sitting at 3-0, in sole possession of first place in the AFC West. Are they for real?
MARK WIMER: I think the Broncos are for real, but not because of their offense (though I agree that Correll Buckhalter has been a pleasant surprise and that Stokley and Gaffney have helped bridge the gap while Brandon Marshall got back up to speed with the new offense).
The main reason Denver is 3-0 is that they are sporting the league's seventh-best rush defense and second-best pass defense, at least statistically. They're giving up just 78.3 rushing yards and 136.3 net passing yards per game, and have allowed only a single offensive touchdown so far. They also have five interceptions and a tied-for-league-best 10 sacks.
So you'd give the credit to Mike Nolan rather than Josh McDaniels?
MARK WIMER: Yes. Mike Nolan is a great defensive coordinator. He's reformed one of last year's worst overall units in the NFL into one of the strongest, at least through three weeks of play. That's pretty incredible. These guys couldn't beg, borrow or steal a sack for years, and now they lead the league? Wow.
Jeff, what's your take?
JEFF HASELEY: I too think the Broncos are for real. Their defense, as Mark mentioned, is the main reason for their 3-0 start. Brian Dawkins, Renaldo Hill and Alphonso Smith have really been big contributors in the secondary. Elvis Dumervil has been superb rushing the passer, which makes the secondary's job a lot easier.
WILL GRANT: I'd like to see Denver play a little more consistently against a tougher opponent before I bless them as 'for real.' Let's not forget that Stokley's stats include that 87-yard tipped pass in week one against Cincinnati when Stokley was just in the right place at the right time. If that play doesn't happen, Denver loses the game. Their next two wins were against Cleveland and Oakland, neither of whom has shown much promise.
Even this week, Dallas comes to town after a Monday night game. They are banged up and sputtering on offense. Unless Denver blows out the Cowboys from start to finish, they could be 4-0 and I'd still have my doubts. With New England, San Diego, Baltimore and Pittsburgh as their next four games after Dallas, they could easily be 4-4 by the halfway point of the season.
JEFF PASQUINO: I have to agree with Will on this one. Denver's schedule looks like it was set up by the Nebraska Athletic Director back in the 1990s - I think Southeast Middle Western Tennessee State should be coming up next. They stole a game in Cincinnati and then beat to JV teams.
The Broncos are doing well by giving the ball to their two backs, but they have to play a real opponent before they can be considered "for real." Their schedule is about to get much harder and the lack of creativity in the passing game is about to catch up with them. They're wasting talented receivers like Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler in that scheme, and they won't get away with it against stronger competition.
Are the Broncos the worst 3-0 team in the league? What are their chances of winning the division?
JEFF PASQUINO: Denver is the weakest 3-0 team by a long shot and their only real chance to win the division is a collapse by the Chargers. Even without a real offensive line and with an ailing Tomlinson, San Diego has enough on both sides of the ball to be in every contest. I don't think that can be said about the Broncos.
Correll Buckhalter has been surprisingly effective so far. Will Knowshon Moreno take over as the team's featured RB this season, or will it remain a full-fledged RBBC?
What's going on with the team's WRs? Brandon Stokley and Jabar Gaffney are leading the team in receiving yards right now. Will Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal come around, or are they destined to be huge fantasy disappointments this season? Are either of them "buy low" candidates, or are they "get rid of them while you can" candidates?
JEFF HASELEY: Kyle Orton is spreading the ball around a bit, which accounts for the lesser production from Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall. Last year, the Broncos used Marshall and Royal predominantly with Brandon Stokley and Tony Scheffler sprinkled in. This year there is a much more balanced approach. Coach Josh McDaniels has mentioned that he doesn't want any one player to be forced the ball; he wants Orton to find the open man - and that's exactly what he's done so far. Brandon Marshall is starting to become a bigger part of the offense and I think Eddie Royal will soon follow suit. Royal's hands, speed, and route-running is too good for him to be forgotten in this offense. Both Royal and Marshall saw a lot of passes last year when the team was trailing. This year they haven't trailed much. They're allowing an average of only 5.3 points per game. When the Broncos face a team that can put points on the board, that's when Marshall and Royal will make bigger contributions.
JEFF PASQUINO: Jeff hit the nail on the head. We won't really know what kind of numbers Royal and Marshall can put up in this offense until the Broncos find themselves trailing in a game. Eddie Royal fans (and owners) are going to have to hope that he gets on track when they play stiffer competition, but I fear that Josh McDaniels doesn't have a clue how to use the weapons he has and will get a hard dose of reality throughout October.
We've got only three games worth of hindsight to work with. But as of right now, how does the Cutler trade look for the Broncos?
JEFF PASQUINO: Based only on the first three weeks, I'd say that Denver really messed up by getting rid of Cutler. Without Cutler, Eddie Royal, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler are mere shadows of what they did in 2008, while Chicago is 2-1 thanks to Cutler's performances. Cutler made the Broncos offense hum last season, and either Orton is holding back those weapons or McDaniels is - or both. My money is on both but I lean heavily on the head coach's poor choices so far.
I can't wait for Jeff Pasquino to eat crow. Go Broncos!
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Who the hell are footballguys.com?
Just asking, but really, who are they?
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Oct 3, 2009 12:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Pasquino?
Who? The Broncos are 3-0, right?
Based only on the first three weeks, I’d say that Denver really messed up by getting rid of Cutler. Without Cutler, Eddie Royal, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler are mere shadows of what they did in 2008, while Chicago is 2-1 thanks to Cutler’s performances.
Where I am from 3-0 is better than 2-1. Where is Jeff Pasquino from, and again, who the hell is he, anyway?
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Oct 3, 2009 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about the 4 int game against the packers?
if the bears had a decent, non-superstar qb at the helm they would be at least 2-1, maybe 3-0
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Oct 3, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FFB Guys
These guys have become fairly popular with the fantasy football crowd… Might explain why big numbers are more important than W’s to them…
Colorado native living in Germany. Go Broncos!
by elwaytogo on Oct 3, 2009 3:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the tip
Mentioning fantasy stats in a team-level discussion. Then talking about the Cincy win like the tipped pass was the only aspect of that game shows they didn’t see it, they caught the SC highlight reel and looked at the stats. May be excellent FF guys, but not serious team analysis. I doubt that’s what they shoot for anyway, but they should just stick with their fantasy stuff.
Richard Seymour is a girl.
by pubkeeper on Oct 3, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, the more closely I read, the more stupid these guys seem
They don’t know what in the world they are talking about. Dismissed.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Oct 3, 2009 1:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But I did see more insight from these guys than most of the MSM. Specifically, how many people outside of Denver have recognized the impact Phonz had on the first two games?
“I too think the Broncos are for real. Their defense, as Mark mentioned, is the main reason for their 3-0 start. Brian Dawkins, Renaldo Hill and Alphonso Smith have really been big contributors in the secondary. "
Jeff Haseley seems to at least watch with his own eyes. More than we can say for many others in the MSM…
by broncostampede on Oct 3, 2009 3:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Here’s my problem. They credit Mike Nolan as being the real reason, and discredit josh McDaniels.
If my memory serves, Nolan sucked as a head coach….
So where how is it that the defensive coordinator has more influence than the head coach? I am confused.
These guys are knuckleheads, talking out their ass.
by Mhantra on Oct 3, 2009 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
rediculous
these guys seem like the rest of msm more of a dart board material to me
by a16416 on Oct 3, 2009 2:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thx....great stuff!
the Jeff P guy really dislikes McD….of course, thats what most of the hate is about…..I’m always surprised at the lack of disdain for Raheem Morris, who I think is a complete waste of space on the sideline…..the favorite positive from the media is……“he just brings great energy to everything he does”???? Sounds like he should be a cheerleader……everyone loves to hate McD b/c he comes from Belicheck and his approach is unconventional…..can’t wait to hear what Jaff P says (eats!) come week 9 as well!!!
by BideshiBronco on Oct 3, 2009 3:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Confusion
There appears to be this overwhelming confusion on the part of the MSM. Just because a good team beats poor teams does not mean the good team is a “bad” good team.
The broncos have convincingly beat two mediocre teams in Cleveland and Oakland. They are not “JV”. They are legitimate NFL franchise teams that are young and rebuilding, dangerous on any given Sunday. As many of you are, I am very excited about this week’s matchup. I believe Dallas to be the perfect opponent for us this week to prove we are a legitimate contender. I expect this game to be fought in the trenches and the two key stats will be turnovers and time of possession. The defense on the field the longest will give to the big play—either a toss by Romeo or a run by Buckhalter or Moreno.
by Future Bronco DC on Oct 3, 2009 5:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What the Heck???
Jeff Pasquino just made the most ignorant statement I think I have read all season…
Eddie Royal fans (and owners) are going to have to hope that he gets on track when they play stiffer competition, but I fear that Josh McDaniels doesn’t have a clue how to use the weapons he has and will get a hard dose of reality throughout October.
Amazing… here is a guy (Coach McD) who at New England did nothing but perfectly utilize the offensive talents that he had on the team. He was the architect of the most powerful offense in NFL history… and this guy thinks he doesn’t have a clue how to use offensive weapons? That statement right there proved that he has a completely un-objective view of McDaniels… that was just plain stupid.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Oct 3, 2009 9:36 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I think it is the “fantasy colored glasses” that are welded to this guys skull: what he really means is “McD doesn’t have a clue how to maximize the stats of the most obvious fantasy players on his offense.”
Who. Gives. A. S%*t.
"Aggression, discipline, accountability, effort" Brian Dawkins 9/29/2009
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace
by PositivIntegral on Oct 3, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I hate the notion that fantasy football is ruining pro football...
but I have to say, this seems pretty valid in this case.
So while it doesn’t ruin pro football, it certainly ruins some “analysyst’’s” perspective.
Ok, no, not ruin, absolutely WRECKS it.
by Mhantra on Oct 3, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boobs
The lot of ‘em. They are coming from a Fantasy Football perspective so who cares? But I don’t blame anyone in the media for reserving judgment until we play stronger opponents.
We blew the Cinci game (should have been 9-0) and needed a lucky play to win after dominating that game. This was our only real test. Brady Quinn and Jamarcus Russell are JV. QB’s can’t play much worse in the NFL but with that being said hell yes our Defense is for real and the Cowboy game should prove that.
I am not dogging our boys, not at all. I am just looking forward to the next 5 weeks and hoping for 3 wins. At this point, I would like to see more from Orton and the Offense before I can anoint our Doncs, errrr Broncs, “for real.”
by OC Bronco on Oct 3, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember Quinn and Russell being JV
When they were putting up 31 and 27 against us last season.
by JeffG on Oct 3, 2009 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
footballlguys
They are fantasy football guys ONLY. Individual player stats matter, not what a team does. They’re the slovenly stinky guys pretending they’re beautiful girls online.
by Endzone on Oct 3, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff P
his comments made me the most mad i’ve been at anyone concerning the broncos for a long time..especially about cutler “winning those 2 games” but shouldn’t he also point out that cutler undeniably lost the pakcers game by throwing 4 ints?
"We thought our offense would play a lot better. We thought we would score more points."
-J** C*****
by SmokinJoeKO on Oct 3, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You have to remember that McD was merely a pawn on Belicheck's staff.
At least that is what these morons think. Anyone else notice how New England has been struggling this year without McD there? Even
by newby on Oct 3, 2009 1:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted covered it
They don’t seem to have any real understanding of the game or of the team. Dismissed – thanks for coming….(er, leaving…)
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 3, 2009 2:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I really really hate
fantasy football. I hate what it’s done to the league, and I hate how personal stats and accolades now reign supreme over a team effort. I hate it. Fantasy football is ruining the great game of football.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Oct 3, 2009 3:02 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed Joe...Can't stand the fantasy concept...
Somebody shuffle these guys clowns into their volkswagon bug and direct them from the big top!
by BroncoSense72 on Oct 3, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to play fantasy football.
Among the reasons I stopped is it really hindered my enjoyment of the game.
by Dwhite on Oct 3, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep hearing major "expert analysts" referencing their fantasy teams
Pretty soon, this league will be about nothing other than fantasy football stats.
by JeffG on Oct 3, 2009 7:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh,, one more thing.
I am not sure this was fair, as these guys (go check out their site) are completely a fantasy football website, though and through.
Posting this without making that known is really not fair to either the reader or the writers. In that regard, I would call this post flawed.
Bad journalism.
Spin.
Jamie “Duked”
If you are going to post something, please examine and state the context the article was written in…
by Mhantra on Oct 3, 2009 10:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably could have been more clear
about the footballguys being a fantasy site, but I don’t agree that we should all simply discredit anything a fantasy site says simply based upon that. Some of the fantasy analysts probably spend as little time analyzing film as the jokers you see talked about so much on MHR. But maybe, just maybe, some of them do real research.
It is just a data point that adds to the total picture. I like watching how the opinion of the media (be it fantasy or otherwise) changes over time. These guys, like Dukes, Sapp, and many others are starting to come around.
You can’t buy respect, you have to earn it.
Colorado native living in Germany. Go Broncos!
by elwaytogo on Oct 3, 2009 11:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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