American Football in London
This Sunday the NFL comes to London for the third straight year with a regular season match-up between the New England Patriots and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. As some of you know I'm a UK Broncos fan, it will be my third live game, having managed to get tickets to the other two previous London games as well. Unfortunately I have not yet seen my Broncos live yet but I did get to see the Saints smack down the Chargers last year! This game even thought not particularly exciting on paper will give the UK a taste of what high powered offenses look like. Tom Brady definitely looks like he is ready to put on a show. The Bucs are 0-6 at this point and this game will probably give them a welcome break from the pressure of that and maybe give them a second wind for the rest of the season. Despite the fact that this game should be very one sided it is still very exciting to go and watch a live game of a sport that I personally enjoy more than any other sport.
OK so why is this relevant to the Broncos? Honestly it's not; but the relevance to the future of the NFL is what I would like to talk a little bit about and open up a discussion to hear the opinions of the knowledgeable fans here at MHR.
I've had this post written up for a few days but wanted to wait for the game day threads to ease up a little before posting it.. In the mean time Mike Birty has written a great post about the history of the NFL in the UK and he is going to make this a three part series! Hopefully my post adds something to the discussion.. while not detracting for his posts. So please enjoy and sorry that it's a little long.. :-D
And don't worry there are are no American Werewolfs in this post although we are due a delivery next week just in time for Halloween!!
The Market for the NFL in the UK:
Do people in the UK like American Football?
2007: More than half a million ticket requests poured in soon after Commissioner Goodell announced the London game. A ticket registration process for the game was set up as a fan service for registered members of the NFL's UK website. Word spread among fans about the process and the website's server crashed several times due to the unprecedented traffic.
The first 40,000 tickets made available were sold in 90 minutes. The tickets were available to fans who were randomly selected from the registered ticket requests.
2008: It took just 90 minutes on to sell 40,000 tickets made available for the NFL's second overseas regular-season game. "The game in London was undoubtedly one of the highlights of the entire 2007 season," said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. "The fan interest was tremendous. The passion they demonstrated for our sport that day continued throughout the season, as television viewership in the U.K. has grown by 40 percent since the game. We had an overwhelmingly positive response to the event from all involved – the teams, our sponsors and business partners and of course the fans themselves. We look forward to another spectacular event in 2008".
2009: It took only seven minutes for the NFL to sell 20,000 tickets for a total of 70,000 already sold for the New England Patriots' game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers next season at London's Wembley Stadium. Alistair Kirkwood NFL UK Managing director: "Now that people who signed up for our registry of interest have had an opportunity to buy, we are releasing some tickets for general sale. For this game to have sold even more quickly than the previous two NFL regular-season games in the UK is a testament to the support and loyalty of fans here in the UK and proof of a growing audience for the sport."
The answer is that there is a lot of interest in the NFL in the UK, but obviously it is still developing here and the more exposure there is the more people will pay attention to it. There are many other sports for a UK sports fan to be interested in but in my opinion this sport is the cream of the crop. The physicality and the explosiveness of the NFL combined with the complicated strategy and the uniqueness of the 32 different teams makes it very exciting to watch. I have spoken with many people in the UK that are not really interested in the NFL and the main reason that that they give is that the game is to long and it stops all the time. I have no doubt that if those people where patient enough to give it a change and allow someone to explain it to them they would see the reason why this is the most popular sport in the U.S. The Super Bowl is the game changer and many people that watch the SB will go on to pay attention to the sport in the next season.
Another point of importance is that because of the increasing accessibility of the NFL to the UK audience the sport will continue to gain attention and develop a fan base. I also think the Madden game series greatly increases interest and appeals to a younger audience that can and will grow up with the NFL. Some games are shown on regular TV here and there are a couple of highlight shows on regular TV as well. Sky Sports which you have to pay extra for also shows games every week and of course there is NFL game pass. Then of course there is the internet where you can get highlights, full games and read all there is to read about the NFL so there is plenty of ways for the overseas fan to stay in touch with the latest news.
Goodell's plans for expanding the NFL
Whether you like it or not the NFL is a business and they are looking for ways to increase revenue and expand into new markets mainly because the existing market is saturated, i.e. new fans really only develop through population growth.
Goodell seems to have a plan for expansion and London is a big part of it.
NFL might ship two regular-season games to England in 2010After seeing fans jam London's Wembley Stadium the past two years to watch an NFL game, the league is considering sending a second regular-season contest overseas in time for the 2010 season.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday that the second game also could be played in London or another location in the United Kingdom. The issue will be discussed at next week's league meetings and could be included in a larger plan to add up to two regular-season games to the NFL schedule."The fan reaction we've had in London has been extraordinary. We would like to feed that passion," Goodell said after speaking at the Charlotte Touchdown Club. "We have a great fan base in the UK. There have been discussions of taking the second game and playing it in another market in the UK. That's something that we'll evaluate."
So I seems like this relationship is here to stay with London specifically and maybe in other places in the UK or Worldwide. I believe there was a game in Toronto last year and I'm not sure about this but was there one in New Mexico as well?
The Implications
This has a couple implications for the NFL, firstly It means that one team will lose an important home field advantage. The twelfth man advantage is gone in this game. However, from the games that i have gone to in Wembley the fans have often given more support for the 'home' team.
There was another big difference from last year, when the crowd was nonpartisan; New Orleans was the home team according to the NFL schedule, and it definitely felt like the Saints were the home team, encouraged by the NFL's leaving Saints banners on every seat. Maybe some of the fans had been among the thousands who flocked to a "Taste of New Orleans" festival at London's O2 Arena earlier in the week. And 20,000 of them definitely were part of a pre-game Mardi Gras-themed tailgate party outside Wembley. The only cheerleaders on show were the Saintsations, and by the time Saints running back Deuce McAllister touched the ball for the first time, it was as if Wembley were the Superdome, and the deep-throated "Doooooce" cheer echoed across the stadium.
Last year Phyliss got booed far more than Brees - admittedly a lot of that booing was from me.. lost my voice for a few days as a result.., even in the Miami - Giants game Miami was getting more support despite them having a very bad season prior to the game. Unfortunately it will never be quite the same as a home game but the teams seem to enjoy the atmosphere despite that, last year one player commented that it had a SB atmosphere in the stadium.
Goodell frames it in this way.
"The negative is taking the home game away from the fans, It's another reason why potentially restructuring the season and changing two preseason into regular-season (games) can be something that we find is beneficial to the fans."
That would also have repercussions to the league.. namely being the physical toll on the players of playing an extra couple of 'real' games, I can't remember where I read it but one player was very much against the extension of the regular season due to how he feels physically after a 16 game regular season.
There have been a couple of exhibition games in years past that have had limited success, mostly because there is nothing at stake and the teams are not really making that much effort. It being a regular season game really makes a difference in terms of quality and motivation. I would guess that hosting the Pro-Bowl here might be one solution, but I haven't heard that discussed as an option so I wonder if they would prefer not to do that for some reason. I think it may be a little to much for the UK fan base to have to know all the players for just one game and I think that having a team to support is much simpler.
I would imagine there is a revenue effect as well, because many business in the home team area would obviously lose profit for that week. So the NFL might well profit from it but there are also others who definitely won't. I don't think it would have that drastic an effect but you never know in the current economic climate.
Speaking of Climate, the first London game was a mud-fest due to heavy rain, which made the game one dimensional but it was still fun. Seeing Brady play, and play well, in snow on Sunday just makes me think that it's part of the game and it definitely shouldn't be a reason for games not to come here.
Also having a game in London affects the air miles that the players travel and how that has an effect on their bodies. However neither the Patriots or the Bucs have the highest mileage totals despite the flight to and from London.
The Seahawks surely won't feel sorry for either team. Just as it was in 2008, Seattle is at the top of the travel list, expected to log 29,054 miles in 2009. The Seahawks will travel more miles this year than Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and Cleveland combined.
2009 NFL TRAVEL MILES
(2009 preseason and regular season)
TEAM TOTAL MILES
1. Seattle 29,054
2. San Francisco 29,020
3. San Diego 28,628
4. Arizona 27,840
5. Oakland 27,232
TEAM TOTAL MILES
6. Tampa Bay 23,018
7. New England 22,710
8. Denver 21,868
9. Jacksonville 20,934
10. Dallas 19,054
From article on Bucs site
There has been a couple of rumours floating around about having a team here in the future, which I think is a stupid idea.
Goodell added. "With that passion, if it continues, maybe someday they will have an NFL franchise, but I’ve never put a time frame on it."
There was also mention of maybe having a SB here, which I don't think is such a bad idea, especially from a league/business perspective, I mean how many people get to go to a SB anyway.. the tickets are ridiculously expensive. As far as I'm aware watching the SB with a few mates while having a few beers seems like the way the average fan watches it. So I don't think it would make that much of a difference, but of course that is my opinion and I'm sure some of you will not agree.
"Moving the Super Bowl [overseas], that’s not going to happen at all," Fins Owner, Ross told Bob Papa and Randy Cross of Sirius NFL Radio's The Opening Drive on May 21. "That will stay within the borders of the United States. I think you can even just see by the league bringing back the Pro Bowl [to the U.S. mainland] this year just seeing if it really works here is really a testament to showing that football is really America’s game. I think the Super Bowl will certainly stay in the United States. I wouldn’t look for that to move."
What do you think?
Again, this does not really have an effect on the Broncos now but it may very well in the future so I would like to ask you how you all feel about this issue. Personally, I really enjoy going to see a live game and I would love to come to Mile High at some point just to experience a proper home atmosphere.. and watch the Broncos kick butt of course. (Incidentally I will be wearing my Dawk jersey to the game - and I'm hoping for some people to tell me the Broncos aren't for real.. so i can school them on how fo' real we are!) But at the moment I have to settle with the Pats schooling the Bucs on how to play pro football. I would also love for the Broncos to come to London to play a game, but i would obviously be hoping for it to be an away game so that home field advantage is not lost. I have been meaning to ask this for a while but i thought it would be good to coincide it with the game so that it is fresh in people's minds. Are there sides to this story that i may have over looked? How do you think they can best handle the expansion of the NFL? Should pre-season games be cut or reduced to add in more regular season games so that every team would play 1 or 2 outside of the U.S? What say you MHR??
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Good article
My personal view is that it kinda sucks for a team to lose a home game, but if it helps the NFL’s business, they have to do it. Now, I don’t believe that there will ever be a franchise there, but if Goodell wants one, it wouldn’t totally surprise me. He seems to get what he wants. I just couldn’t imagine players, coaches, or owners giving in to having to go to England, and I don’t see how having a team from the UK travel to the US 8 times a year would work unless they would open with 8 straight home games and finish with 8 straight road games or something like that.
Again, this is my personal opinion, but I would have no problem with a Super Bowl being played overseas. Understandably, some will disagree, but for some reason, it just wouldn’t bother me.
To your question about New Mexico – there was a game played in Mexico City, Mexico a couple years back. I can’t recall whether it was a regular season game or not. In the 1990’s, the Broncos played several preseason games overseas, including games in Tokyo, Japan; Sydney, Australia; and Mexico City. Not sure how well you know North American geography, but New Mexico is a US state, directly south of Colorado. There’s no way they could ever play an NFL game anywhere in New Mexico unless the stadium at the University of New Mexico doubles or triples in size.
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by wtnelson on Oct 20, 2009 6:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the correction..
.. My American geography is OK at best.. I know where Denver is.. and most other teams.. Geography learnt though football..
Sorry for the mix up between New Mexico and Mex City.. I remember reading about it somewhere and was just writing of memory.. shows how good my memory is.. I blame my misspent youth.. lol
Yer the actual logistics of having a team here seems to suggest that it would never happen. Which i’m ok with.. I wouldn’t stop supporting Denver.. and What division would they put them in? WFC North? There would need to be a massive expansion for that to happen.. like another 32 world teams.. and the question then would be would there be enough talent for 64 teams.. would the quality of the production drop because the main source of talent is American university and the rest of the world does not have any youth programs to produce nfl talent? All to complicated so i can’t really see that happening.. I’m sure Goodell has some plan.. but i just don’t see it right now.
by HorseStance on Oct 21, 2009 4:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see
Premiere League teams rushing to play games in the US outside of their preseason tuneups against MLS teams. Though I get it is an untapped market robbing the home team of a true home game and forcing a team to shift their operations overseas for one of only 16 games.
I think it would be better to have the a few of week 3 of the preseason, the week where the starters play the most played overseas. That way the NFL still gets the exposure in Europe, yet still keeps fans happy here in the states. The NBA does that during its preseason and even though its just preseason from what I understand the fans enjoyed the game. Thats just my personal opinion no offense taken if someone wants to disagree
by uclabruin34 on Oct 20, 2009 6:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you think of the idea of extending the regular season and..
.. including an over seas game for every team?
In my opinion, the NFL is a much more marketable product than EPL. The NBA recently said they would like to play a regular season game here.. seems like they are copying the success of the NFL.
I can understand not likely the idea of losing a home game but the players seem to like it.. obviously this is a media statement so it should be taken with a grain of salt but still they seem positive about it..
by HorseStance on Oct 21, 2009 4:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
International Superbowl
The biggest reason that won’t happen is because for it to hit prime TV time in the US, it would have to beat a ridiculously late hour in England. Without prime-time, the ‘bowl doesn’t make nearly as much money. That will override any other business decisions.
I do love the idea of the NFL and the UK, but the travel would make it near impossible for a franchise over there. For it to work would almost require an all-at-once addition of an entire European division (with at least one team in Germany, based on the successes and failures of the NFL Europa). But they’d still have to travel a LOT. I can’t imagine having to watch my favorite sport from across an ocean. Expats and foreign fans are super-dedicated.
by BroncosBassist on Oct 20, 2009 7:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You raise a good point..
Do you think it couldn’t be as successful on a Sunday afternoon? Would definitely be a little different for you guys.. Or even a slightly earlier kick off.. True it would be very late over here.. if played at the regular time slot. Travel to and from the stadium would be an issue.. people not wanting to stay up til 5am in the morning would be another big issue.. Yer not really sure how they would work around that one..
by HorseStance on Oct 21, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry folks...
I’m just not on board with American Football having a franchise overseas. I guess I’m more down with tradition and American Football and MLB are America’s biggest traditions. Just IMO, I’m glad to see how it’s caught on internationally but I figured that’s what the World League is for
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by brohamm1978 on Oct 20, 2009 9:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't be sorry.. it's your opinion..
and i totally agree, a franchise here is a silly idea.. I think that there is along way to go and to many things in the way before that is even a slight possibility. Firstly, i think it would need to be available in schools at a youth level so they could increase the talent.. That in itself would be very tough to achieve, Rugby and Football (soccer) are just to ingrained here for that to happen.. at least until it has become a lot more popular over here. That would require big media drives over here which these London games are really only the start of.
I could see another attempt at an NFL Europe type thing happening at some point with more of a connection to the original product.. and slowly if the teams got to the level they where they could compete with an NFL team there could be some sort inclusion of them.. not sure how..
by HorseStance on Oct 21, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really no one else thinks this is worth discussion?? I surprised by that.
“I expect that sometime in the next couple of years, we could be playing multiple games here,” Goodell said. “If we brought more than one game here, and it continues to have the same kind of enthusiasm and growth of interest, I think that is about as good of an indicator you can get that it could successfully support a franchise. And that’s what we’re looking at.”
by HorseStance on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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The league is considering expanding the regular season to 17 or 18 games, with a possibility for every team to play one game abroad. Patriots owner Robert Kraft said if the league wants more of the current franchises to travel internationally for games, the regular season should be extended so that teams can keep the same number of home games. The Bucs are giving up a home game this season.
“I’m not sure our fans would appreciate us giving up a regular-season (home) game, and I know I wouldn’t like to do that. But eventually I think there’s a chance of that if we expand the schedule,” Kraft said.
Kraft said placing an NFL team in London “would be the right thing to do some time in the next decade.”
Goodell said he would prefer a potential London-based team was a completely new franchise, rather than moving one from an existing market.
“We would like to keep all our teams where they are,” he said.
Patriots quarterback Tom Brady didn’t sound too enthusiastic about playing for a team based in Europe.
“That would be challenging,” Brady said. “But I don’t see that happening any time soon.”
by HorseStance on Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The London Silly Nannies
Peter Griffin once played for them.
"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson
by wtnelson on Oct 27, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO yeah he owned them all!
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by BroncosNL on Oct 28, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...I have quite a strong opinion about this
but it’s been brought up by some already… even though Im in Europe myself, I think it’s ridiculous to put a franchise here that plays in the NFL. Travel costs and time will be crazy, players wont want to move over there… and so on…all that stuff
I just hope it doesnt happen… but like some said..Goodell seems to get what he wants.
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by BroncosNL on Oct 28, 2009 2:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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