The Dude Abides...The Stats That Don't Lie, Week 6
That's what I love about these Stats That Don't Lie, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
---Matthew McConaughey
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Week 6. Another Broncos win. Another way for Eddie Royal to electrify Denver fans (outside of Taco Bell). And one to grow on for the kids:
If you want to beat this year's Broncos, you better bring a lunch pail...and a whole lot of hope.
Welcome once again to the Stats That Don't Lie, your weekly shot of statistical Human Growth Hormone. These are the Elvis Dumervil of stats. You simply can't get away from them. They are the Mike Tyson of stats. They will eat your children. They are Turnovers, Field Position, Time of Possession, and 3rd Down Efficiency.
As always, for those that need a primer, or want to look at the stats from previous weeks, just click on the following links:
A few words before the numbers. The Denver-San Diego game was strangely similar to last week's game. In the first half, Denver was dominated statistically (and I was devolving from primate status as usual in the game threads). But by the end of the game, Denver had reversed course once again, taking over the lead in all 4 of the statistically categories, including time of possession, which, at first, glance, one would have thought impossible in the first half. In all fairness, part of the first half statistics were skewed because of Royal's 2 TD returns, which meant that Denver wasn't working clock.
I again wrote last week that Denver needed to make strides in both 3rd down efficiency and field position, and they did just that. Let's quickly look at where Denver ranked after week 5 and where they rank after week six in the 4 categories:
WEEK 5
Average Turnovers/Game: Tied for 5th
Average Starting Field Position: 23rd
Average Time of Possession: 8th
Average 3rd Down Efficiency: 19th
WEEK 6
Average Turnovers/Game: 2nd (3 teams tied for 1st)
Average Starting Field Position: 20th
Average Time of Possession: 7th
Average 3rd Down Efficiency: 11th
As you can see, they improved in all 4 categories, but made significant strides in 3rd down efficiency. If Denver continues these trends, they are going to be extremely hard to beat. I will let others deal with what is probably Denver's primary weakness at this point, short yardage.
One of the most interesting statistical games of week 6 (and one that proves my points, which I'm always down for) was the New England-Tennessee game. Have you ever asked yourself what would happen if a team turned the ball over 5 times, converted virtually zero 3rd downs, had the ball half as long as its opponent, and it's opponent starting on average near mid field? No? That's good. First, it shows you have a life outside of football. But more importantly, it's not something that ever happens. But this game was a nice little lab experiment nonetheless. The result was a 59-0 beating.
And it could have been worse. Several MSM writers have rightly noted that Bellichick, had he really wanted to run up the score, could have gone for the record books, attempting to eclipse the 73-0 beat down the Redskins took from the Bears in 1940 (no, there is no truth to the rumor that the Redskins were coached that day by someone related to Jim Zorn).
I am also painfully compelled to speak about the Chiefs again. They had another game in which they committed zero turnovers. This time they finally won, but only because their opponent finally had a week in which they were worse than the Chiefs on 3rd down. Leave it to the Redskins (almost sounds like Raiders if you say it fast).
The Chiefs are ranked 1st in average turnovers/game, 6th in Time of Possession, and 12th in Field Position. Now, if they could only get their 3rd down conversion percentage above 20%, they would be downright dangerous. I am very serious about this. The Broncos would do well not to sleep on these guys. They might be 1-5, but they've played Dallas, New York, and Baltimore tough. They are not even as close to as bad as everyone thinks. Do not sleep on these guys.
Week 6 Summaries:
- The team that won the turnover battle (including ties) won 11 of 14 games played (79%).
- In the previous category, remove the ties (not my preference) and this sinks to 63%
- The team that won the time of possession battle won 13 of the 14 games played (93%).
- The team that had better third down efficiency won 11 of the 14 games played (79%).
- The team that had better average starting field position won 11 of the 14 games played (79%).
- There were 8 games this week in which a team won all four categories. In 8 of the 8, the same team won on the scoreboard (100%). For the season, this stat is 32 out of 33 games.
- The winning teams this week averaged 1.57 turnovers, 36:13 in time of possession, 44.90% on 3rd downs, and their average starting field position was the 33.22 yard line.
Top 5 in Week 6:
- Top 5 in giveaways: 6 tied with 0 (including Denver)
- Top 5 in time of possession: 1.ARZ 2.JAX 3.GB 4.BUF 5.NE
- Top 5 in 3rd downs: 1.JAX 2.CAR 3.DEN! 4.CHI 5.TB
- Top 5 in avg. starting field position: 1.NE 2.ARZ 3.CAR 4.GB 5.NO
Running Totals, Season:
- 90 games have been played this season
- 84.44% were won by the team with less turnovers (counting ties as wins)
- 70% with a better time of possession
- 66.67% by the team who won on 3rd down
- 72.22% by the team that won the field position battle.
6-week Averages for Benchmarking This Week's Games:
Score TOs TOP Third Down Field Pos Comment
BAL 31 0 25:17 38.46% 26.15 Just a battle and even game. Score is reflective.
MIN 33 0 34:43 35.71% 28.92
NYG 27 2 23:53 30.00% 30.69 Like Manning, give Brees the turnovers, it's over.
NO 48 0 36:07 53.85% 36.58
CLE 14 4 23:14 38.46% 34.82 Penchant for TOs will cost Pit eventually.
PIT 27 4 36:46 36.36% 27.08
HOU 28 2 36:15 50.00% 34.38 Hou wins all 4 categories, this is the result.
CIN 17 3 23:45 41.67% 25.62
DET 0 3 19:12 0.00% 27.90 Detroit can't convert a 3rd down.
GB 26 2 40:48 50.00% 37.27
CAR 28 3 32:21 57.14% 39.00 Carolina dominates field position.
TB 21 2 27:39 54.55% 23.90
KC 14 0 37:10 23.53% 36.54 KC finds a team worse on 3rd down.
WAS 6 2 22:50 14.29% 31.91
STL 20 1 24:48 33.33% 26.20 Even STL stays in the game when you turn it over
JAX 23 3 42:12 68.75% 26.54
PHI 9 0 26:58 12.50% 29.21 Oak wins perplexes, except 3rd down stat
OAK13 2 33:02 28.57% 26.60
ARI 27 2 42:50 50.00% 41.46 Seattle and 3rd downs...grease fire.
SEA 3 2 17:10 0.00% 20.25
TEN 0 5 21:00 10.00% 27.00 Utter destruction.
NE 59 0 39:00 45.45% 42.46
BUF 16 2 39:03 31.25% 33.29 It's not TO, it's the Turnovers, Buffalo!
NYJ 13 6 33:13 20.00% 25.07
CHI 14 3 33:54 56.25% 31.50 Chi #1 in Field Pos. or things could be worse
ATL 21 2 26:06 41.67% 23.92
DEN 34 0 30:43 56.25% 31.00 Denver back in the saddle on 3rd downs.
SD 23 1 29:17 18.18% 23.30
Since it's the bye week, I'm going to wait until next week to compare Baltimore and Denver on the 4 category of stats, so we will see where they match up. Also during the bye week I hope to come up with some statistics showing winning percentages by number of turnovers. So we'll get to see how the number of turnovers a team commits during a game correlates with winning.
Lastly, two weeks ago, I developed a formula that I described that takes these four categories, weights them, and then tries to predict the week's winners. The first week I tried this I was 14-0. I had thought I had discovered some secret formula.
As you can imagine, I have come back to earth with this method, going 8 for 14 in week 5 and 8 out of 14 in week 6. I still think there is a lot of merit in this formula, so like Wile E. Coyote, I'm heading back to the drawing board for some more tweaking.
Go Broncos!!!
Last Stat: Percentage chance Kyle Orton sports A neck beard during his bye week: 92.36%
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Wow
Arizona was first and third in TOP? Impressive!!! :)~
Rec’d of course, I love this series!!
by 3RingsHeProbablyKnowsSomething on Oct 21, 2009 12:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
fixed!!!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet info but...
Can you please use the “bump” feature or whatever it’s called so most of this info is displayed after we click your post? For us folks who do our surfing on a mobile device or iPod, it takes forever to scan the FanPost section if you put all of this info on the front page.
Thanks in adv.
by SinDonor on Oct 21, 2009 12:23 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Sin, did this fix it for you? Please let me know. I want to make sure it works for you, bro!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
In 8 of the 5, the same team won on the scoreboard (100%).
by Velveeta on Oct 21, 2009 4:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
They gave
more than 100% effort ;-)
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 21, 2009 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWG, um...exactly!!
I need a pat excuse for typos…..
Something like:
1) I was just testing y’all
2) It doesn’t say that , look (after I edit it, of course!)
3) A Raider fan stole my password and impersonated me
4) I am in fact, Bill Williamson, but I never post under my real name (for fear of pork chop jokes)
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How's about if you...
…just give the offended party all four choices and let him decide which excuse makes him feel better, lol.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 21, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't worry about typos
I corrected a few in Guru’s editor note on one of my posts. =)
by RaRaDonk89 on Oct 21, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to know some of those guys are mortal like me!!!! thanks RaRa
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all make mistakes Lebowski
Look at my parents ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 22, 2009 5:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too late to say something like...I was just testing you?
Or it could be all the crack.
It’s good to know someone reads this!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
I can’t wait for this each week. Thanks!
by Biffster on Oct 21, 2009 7:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Love your humor Dude. Some of the best on the site!
And the Stats That Don’t Lie is always interesting. I like the season-long/longitudinal nature of the series. Good luck with the magic formula!
by NedBronco on Oct 21, 2009 8:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't Get Tired of Winning All 4 Battles...
Until this series, I never really understood how 4 simple battles on the field could determine the outcome of the game. Now I keep track of all this in my head as I watch. I remember thinking after Eddie’s first return… YES! But now the D’s out there again after a pretty long drive. Can’t believe we dominated the TOP so much that we made up for 2 return TD’s… Eat it SD!!!
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Oct 21, 2009 9:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if you could apply this to other area's
Like say you and your wife are watching TV on Tuesday night. You calculate the T.O.P. of the remote, how many times the remote gets turned over, etc. etc. ahhh it would never work…
by T.Dot_Bronco on Oct 21, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be on to something....
I’ll have to give it a try.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Oct 21, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Dude....
As always homie the drugs…I mean stats don’t lie. I wonder what Vegas’ odds on the neckbeard are?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Oct 21, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
T.Dot, I used a highly secretive formula to get this stat...
…and the psychic friends network 1 800 number that I called during a flashback told me it was gong to happen.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stats that don't lie,
reveal the truth again and again….Thanks Lebowsi…….!
by bchiper on Oct 21, 2009 9:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
see you're not the only one making typos
Geesh
by bchiper on Oct 21, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks chiper
I think I must have some friends here at MHR now because they enjoy giving me the business about my typos….it’s good to have friends like this
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worry more about it if I paid to blog all day
:o)
by bchiper on Oct 21, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay this is just sad, it should be I'd
and that’s after three cups of joe, maybe it’s time for a beer instead
by bchiper on Oct 21, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's 5:00 somewhere !
Go for it.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 21, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because of Dude Abides...
I now watch the game thinking of these stats the whole time. I was thinking too, with Eddie’s 2 returns, doesn’t that make the Starting Field Position the 100 yard line on both!?
When the Broncos finally got the sack and fumble recovery, I was very confident that we would now win the game!
It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell
by Trogdoor on Oct 21, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Since you've got two weeks
Any thoughts on a graph of the Broncos and the Ravens week to week leading up to week 8 showing how they did in the four catagories against which oponents?
Might take four graphs.
I’m worried about the Chiefs now, the Broncos can always find a way to loose to them.
by ThatemW on Oct 21, 2009 12:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thatemW
I think I could do a graph like this.
Was gonna do some regression graphs during the off season as well, so this will be a good little bit of practice.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you know what they (whoever they is) say
“A picture paints a thousand words”
by bchiper on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have an asterisk*
For starting field position due to ER’s brilliance. Maybe say we started at the opponents 2 yd line to kick the PAT.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
asinsoin
I have debated making KO returns and PR for TD an actual 100 avg. starting field position, so this would be in line this with.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand why it isn't calculated that way.
but from a purely statistical perspective it skews the outcome bigtime.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 22, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Dude
Always look forward to the Stats that Don’t Lie! It’s a great way to see what condition our condition is in, man.
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 21, 2009 2:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, CK!!! Got any Credence?
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't much hope for the Credence...
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
by Joe Medina on Oct 22, 2009 2:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Stuff
I always enjoy tracking these statistics. Some columnist on NFL radio was explaining how underrated Starting Field Position was and all I could think was “I already know that, if you win Starting Field Position you win 72% of the time, duh.”
Did you see the CHFF Defensive Hogs rating for Denver? People didn’t think we had a NT in Fields? Didn’t think we had a front 7? HA!
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think that SFP
should calculate in 100 yards twice for Eddie. If our Defense gets a pick 6, that should count as 100 for SFP too. I mean, Dude, it’s really a HUGE reason Denver won that game. If Eddie had been caught at the 1 yard line, isn’t that SFP 99? (Not that Eddie would be caught, only in some bizarre nightmare).
It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell
by Trogdoor on Oct 21, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trog, exactly right, good feedback for me
I have thought about doing exactly that, although the NFL doesn´t do it this way when calculating its starting field position stats, but I think it would be an improvement for sure. It would not be too late to do this actually. I did do this for 2008. I haven´t for 2009, simply because I am collecting drive stats real time and wanted to be consistent with how the NFL counts these drives. You have me thinking that perhaps I should go back and do this over the last 6 weeks.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kfustud, show me that link again
I looked at this during the last post that it was brought up. I want to see it now for this week, can you link it?
And, I do the same thing. In fact, Statistically, for each yard you gain on the KO return, your chances of scoring are going to increase, even if just slightly, so I am always thinking, “Don’t run out of bound! Get those extra two yards!”
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course if they fumble fighting for more yardage....
The probability of scoring on that drive goes straight to zero. Tell me this isn’t an applicable point. =) BMarsh fumbled near the sideline like this last year, and Eddie had a KR fumble a few weeks ago too, wasn’t a lost fumble, but still.
by RaRaDonk89 on Oct 21, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you had to go and bring this up!! Good point.
I am just saying, statistically, the percentage goes up. I would hope fumbling and fighting for the extra yards are not correlated…unless your playing Denver. However, if you remember th e KC teams during the Marty years, they were always stripping the ball during these times.
interesting…
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might interest you
last year Advanced NFL Stats posted this analysis of expected points by field position.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 21, 2009 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWG
Simply awesome. I love it, I think I will waste about 24 hours there tomorrow!!!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dude.
I was surprised you didn’t post with your real name since I had always assumed you were MHR staff.
by McGeorge on Oct 21, 2009 2:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1, this should be a regular post
But Dude is humble, and likes being lebowskibronco down with the rest of us lowly fans. But, hmm, John Clayton uses his real name, so maybe it’s the writers that are “lowly”!
It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell
by Trogdoor on Oct 21, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks trog, I am very lowly, bro, and that's no problem
the lowest MHR member will probably still have a 20 point IQ lead on any Raider front office hire
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
by Joe Medina on Oct 22, 2009 2:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McGeorge, thanks. Nope, just a fan.
If I used my real name, I suspect I couldn’t make all these lebowski jokes.
The truth is that I was going to start a Broncos blog about 1.5 years ago, but when I researched the concept, there were already a ton of Bronco blogs on the web, and what Guru was doing here was the best. Also, there was no way I was going to replicate the kind of stuff I was seeing from nycbroncosfan, broncobear, styg, zappa, bartlett, HT, etc. And the MHR community is a pretty cool group of mutants, which includes you McG. I think you add a lot of value here.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoyable read again Dude
Very nice take on the Chiefs – they’ll still struggle somewhat but you can’t take anyone in this league lightly, particularly a division opponent.
Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Oct 21, 2009 3:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Donk, thanks, man, thank you for reading this
After looking at these stats, I am going to go re-watch their games over the first 6 weeks on 3rd down to see what the heck is going on. They are last in the league in this stat…by a big margin as well. Just horrible on 3rd down.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg...noooooo neckbeard
MHR...and proud of it!
by MHRsGirl on Oct 21, 2009 8:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes, MHRsGirl
Be afraid…..be very afraid!!!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, once again you rock
I rec’d this earlier today & finally had a chance to sit down & read the comments.
I love your stats that don’t lie concept, and I have to admit I copycatted you by including the four stats my portion of a film study post.
Now if I can just figure out a way to suggest a research project or three for you, like you keep doing to me. LOL
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Oct 21, 2009 10:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Shrout, Feel free to take anything and spread it anywhere
I can think of several research projects that I have been wanting to do. Perhaps we can team up on something. Possible research could include:
1) Retroactively looking at the last 10-15 years of all pro-teams in the NFL, looking at which colleges/conferences they came from and seeing what the results are. Do they all come from the SEC? Are all pro-linemen more likely to be from the Big-10 or Big-12? etc. etc.
2) The same as above but looking to see if there is any correlation to their stats. This has been done by the football outsiders with running backs (on total carries) and QBs (specifically 1st round QBs).
3) A statistical comparison between Elway, Marino, Montana, Manning, Favre, et. all based on what kind of field position their teams gave them. I’ll bet money right now that Elway probably had the worst field position of all these cats. Would be an interesting project for us to explore, don’t you think?
4) Tracking back the MSM predictions of John Clayton and others over the last 10 years to see which of these idiots has a record of even 50%
I can think of many others, but as you can see, there are plenty of things to be curious about, my friend.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 21, 2009 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh jeez
you don’t think small do you? ROFL
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Oct 21, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man
I like number 4. If I knew where to get the data I would start compiling it now.
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 22, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
KF, that´s why it would be a great research project!! Not easy to compile
However, we could divide and conquer, you know? If the three of us divide up the names, we could have this done in no time. We could pick 12 names, each one of us gets 4 and then we could pick a time frame and then come back and combine our efforts.
Thank about it BShrout and KFustud!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Browsing Around ESPN
I am finding that there are lots of archives of the various Madden Picks. Would it be interesting to calculated if John Clayton or a Video Game is better?
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
by Kfustud on Oct 23, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you up for dividing up 4 writers each and doing something like this KFustud?
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 23, 2009 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clayton has an email link via espn.com
I just dropped him an email to see if he has an archive of his predictions.
Let’s see what kind of response I get. LOL
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Oct 22, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BShrout! You are the man!
I think we should include Dukes and Peter King in our list. Who else?
If he gives you crap, just tell him we aren´t picking on anyone, but we wanted to show him up against his peers in a 12 person horserace.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, generate a list for us
And I was very polite in my email.
I identified myself as a writer for MileHighReport who is researching preseason predictions by sports writers over the last decade to correlate the predictions to the actual season standings, and I was wondering if there was an archive of his predictions which I could include in the project.
:D
He does have a 5000 article archive at ESPN, but I’d just as soon not have to look at all of them, if he’s willing to provide me the figures.
We’ll see.
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Oct 22, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
No way he’s willing to do that. He’s going to tell you, “Go through my archives.” Why would he want to supply that? Most of those MSM guys hate bloggers on principle.
Richard Seymour is a girl.
by pubkeeper on Oct 22, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
most likely
but one can always hope.
I was more curious as to whether or not I’d even get a response beyond a form-letter style “Thank you for writing.”
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Oct 22, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shrout
If you and Kfu want to exchange and email with me and do a project like this, I am down. I’ll take any of the writers you guys don’t want.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
works for me
what’s one more project. LOL
I could use a list of prominent sports writers who typically make predictions. The only ones I’m familiar with are Pete Prisco, Clark Judge and John Clayton.
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Oct 22, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You rock bro!
Great read, Lebowski! These are stats that I understand and make sense.
by CyberSpartacus on Oct 21, 2009 11:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
spartacus
thanks a ton, man!!! I appreciate your taking the time to wade through all of this!!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for breaking it down, LB
I’m usually not a fan of stats only, but when you can tie them together to get a fuller picture, they’re awesome.
Definitely appreciate the time and effort here.
Richard Seymour is a girl.
by pubkeeper on Oct 22, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I really enjoy your post Dude. When it comes to posts that have a lot of stats, I usually don’t even read it and on to the next post. But I really like this one and look forward to it. All 4 I consider very important. I have a question for you. If you had to pick 1 of the 4 as most important, which one do you choose?
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
by orangeblood on Oct 22, 2009 2:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
OB
see below, sorry, my response to you is below
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Orangeblood, First thanks for readin
This all started when I looked at every game from 2008 and I noticed that the correlations between the team that won and these 4 were pretty damn high, and in the following order
1. Turnovers (80%)
2. Field Position (70%)
3. Time of Possession (70%)
4. 3rd downs
The 2009 data thus far supports these correlations as well in a general sense.
Later, I happened to stumble upon this page:
http://www.twominutewarning.com/g13.htm
Which confirmed again what I had found in 2008.
Now I am trying to use this data to predict winners and losers.
Since you are not a stat guy, basically it can be summed up in the following:
- Turnovers are the single biggest reason for teams winning/losing in the NFL.
**Field Position it the most underrated reason teams win/lose in the NFL.
If you simply take these two statements at face value, you can quickly understand Josh McDaniels, his philosophy, his offense, his draft, and finally, his QB choices.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 2:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm whichu
I’d like to throw in there one thing that isn’t measured during a game necessarily. Injuries. Last year the Dolphins had a total of 4 guys go on IR all year and look how they did. I think it is a huge factor in a teams performance. So far this year we have been really fortunate (knocking on wood) in that respect.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
by orangeblood on Oct 23, 2009 6:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
Some actual statistic to support my hunch. I’ve been saying it since week 4 of the preseason: “Kansas City will take 2nd in the AFC West.” Some laugh, others scoff; but this is a pretty good team that has gotten off to a slow start. Oakland plays best when they are completely and utterly espected to be dominated and San Diego players don’t bother trying to earn their pay until at least week 7 or 8.
Not only is Kansas City going to take 2nd in the AFC West this year, but they will be in fierce competition with us for the title next year after they have a good off season to make some more tweaks. Norv Turner is getting fired this year. Oh, and no one gives a rat’s (al davis) @$$ what Oakland is doing right now. They are the most talented atheletes in the league that don’t play the sport of football. Al Davis needs to go coach in the olympics.
My rant, thank you; goodbye! :)
And great post LB, I like how you keep adding new things each week. Awesome thing you’ve got going on here. Now that you’ve got running rankings on the teams for each of the four catagories I bet you could start making pretty accurate predictions for upcoming games. That would be cool to see. Anyways, Wall out.
ORANGE CRUSH! ... need I say more?
by USMCWall on Oct 22, 2009 3:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
He can call it........
The Dude Divines: The Stat’s That Occasionally Lie
by RaRaDonk89 on Oct 22, 2009 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't read the comments
but I was entertained anyway. Sorry it took so long to read this. I will agree with you on KC. I think they will be our toughest opponent in the division this year. They have put up points on some pretty tough teams. Good work. Keep it coming Duse.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 10:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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