Horse Tracks 10/21/09 - Ravens should have LT Gaither back for game versus Broncos
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 21, 2009 5:54 AM MDT
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Fun fact of the day - according to the popular and traditional measure (yards), the Broncos' defense (262.5) ranks second to that of the Giants (257.7 ypg). Yet, the Giants have allowed 119 points - 80% more than the 66 points Denver has allowed. Consider this next time you want to cite a team's offensive or defensive rank by yardage gained or allowed. It just doesn't matter - find out what the points scored/allowed are, and compare those instead.
DB - Chargers Postgame: Report - Broncos TV
NFL - Playbook: Broncos vs. Chargers recap - Video
Mayock looks at Orton and Scheffler, while Billick examines the Broncos' pass rush.
DB - Royal Wins SP/T Player of the Week - Broncos TV
DPP - Broncos' Royal made up for Chargers' early dominance - Mike Klis
LTC - This team has staying power - Brian Howell
NFP - Diner morning news: Broncos are in control - Mike Lombardi
"They’re for real — and last night proved it to me. I’ve always been concerned about their age and lack of real speed in the secondary, but after playing well the past two weeks against some very good passing teams, I’m a believer."
FH - Tweet This, Cutler: Orton Kicks R Butt - Jay Mariotti
"But now people in Chicago are beginning to grasp why McDaniels was so eager to cast Cutler loose. The two would have gotten along like Jon and Kate Gosselin."
DB - Royal’s Special Night Earns Special Honor - Chris Gentilviso
DB - The Morning After: Week 6 - Chris Gentilviso
DB - 6-0, Say No More! - Mark Cooper
CSG - Don't bet against these Broncos - Frank Schwab
DPP - Analysis: Broncos' Dumervil showed nation what he can do Monday night - Jeff Legwold
DPP - Broncos enjoy win vs. Chargers but turn sights to tough upcoming stretch - Lindsay Jones
DPP - Key matchup: Passing attacks vs. secondary - Jeff Legwold
DPP - Broncos' ability to hang on to football serves them well - Jeff Legwold
DPP - Paige: McDaniels worth his weight in gold
"McDaniels said the Broncos would be improved and that the schedule couldn't be based on the results of opponents' performances of last season. Rather emphatically, with just the two of us in his office, he added, 'I've never been a part of a losing season since I began playing football.' He gave me a gargantuan clue. I should have listened."
DPP - Numbers: Broncos' sack-happy Dumervil in great company
DPP - Q&A: Broncos' Hillis versatile but won't get many carries - Jeff Legwold
INDT - Drew Litton: From Balloon Boy to Broncos
KDVR - Undefeated Denver Broncos the 'Feel-Good Movie of the Year' - Chris Tanaka
DP - Hochman: Karl a fan of McDaniels' work
CT - Brett Favre and Kyle Orton: Why the hate? - Rick Morrissey
"He's succeeding with the same wide receivers Cutler supposedly turned into stars. Apparently, Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal can play a little bit on their own."
CST - Kyle high and Jay low in '09 - Rick Telander
"Sometimes a change of scenery can change your life. And sometimes the team that had you just didn't know how to use you, stroke you or bring out your best. And you wonder: Whose fault is that? And further: Do the Bears ruin their offensive stars?"
DC - Broncos give some hope to the Bills - Bob Matthews
"When the Denver Broncos started 3-0, I wrote that they'd be 3-3 after this week's Monday Night Football game in San Diego. Oops. My apologies to Josh McDaniels..."
IS - Purdue QBs past and present post big numbers - Curt Cavin
CBS - Power Rankings: You win, McDaniels; apologies to you - Pete Prisco
"I'm done being a Denver Broncos skeptic. For weeks, I kept saying they weren't as good as their record... Division race: Over...My doubts about the Broncos: Over."
USAT - Now they're a target: Broncos must adjust to expectations - Skip Wood
DP - Shanahans open home to Children's Hospital Gala - Joanne Davidson
SPT - Ex-Broncos to play ball in Steamboat - Luke Graham
Dave Studdard, Mark Jackson, Louie Wright, Ron Egloff and Billy Thompson are expected.
Scout.com - Bobby Humphrey talks candidly - Shea Lowery
Ravens News
BS - It's all in the technique - Ken Murray
LT Jared Gaither should return for the Ravens against the Broncos
BS - McClain's optimistic despite reduced role - Edward Lee
NFL - Jets and Ravens go from 3-0 to 'Oh, no!' - Vic Carucci
FNP - Ravens' 'D' stands for doldrums
AFC West News
NFL - Chargers place Applewhite on "Reserve - Injured," sign CB Hughes
NFL - Panthers send 2010 draft pick to Chiefs for veteran DT Tyler
NFL - Member of Chargers' game-day staff dies from injuries after fall
Solemn news. Again, the thoughts of all at MHR go out to Walt Daniels' family and friends and the Chargers organization.
SDUT - Chargers players growing restless - Kevin Acee
SDUT - Chargers have reached their level of mediocrity - Nick Canepa
SDUT - Sore Scifres not getting his kicks - Kevin Acee
NCT - CHARGERS: Too flawed to be a fluke - Scott Bair
KCS - Chiefs, Broncos have gone in different directions after shaking things up - Kent Babb
Rich Gannon calls the Broncos' myriad roster changes a mere "fine-tuning" because he either doesn't know what he's talking about, or he's trying to be easy on his old Chefs...
SI - Raiders, coach Tom Cable basking in win over Philadelphia Eagles - Ann Killion
NFL News
NFL - Sweet home Chicago: Cutler signs two-year extension with Bears
ESPN - Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler will leave Twitter trash talk to Cincinnati Bengals' Chad Ochocinco -
"This league is funny. It's all about timing," Cutler said. "You could be one of the best players in the league (referring to Orton) but if you're not in the right system, you don't have the right people around you, there're a lot of different aspects that go into making a player or breaking a player. It's working for Kyle. It's working for Josh, and it's working for the Broncos. They've got a good thing going."
NFL - Injuries sustained in car accident end Bucs FB Askew's season
NFL - Falcons bring back S Fudge, put CB Williams on injured reserve
NFL - Titans, Vanden Bosch plan to hold contract talks
HC - Texans notes: Free agent linebacker Winborn signed - Dale Robertson
NFL - Eagles land veteran LB Witherspoon in trade with Rams
NFL - Redskins sign free-agent LT Levi Jones to fill void
NFL - Patriots cut veteran WR Galloway after just six weeks with team
NFL - Shoulder injury sidelines Browns LB Jackson for the season
NFL - Agent denies that Steelers kicker Reed challenged police officers
NFL Opinion
NFP - Tavern talk: NFL’s worst game manager - Mike Lombardi
SN - Deadline dud: Big names lacking on NFL's last day for trades - Clifton Brown
Y! - Unproven quotes cloud Limbaugh debate - Jason Cole
SI - Joe Klecko, Ron Wolf, other potential Pro Football Hall of Famers - Peter King
PK sees the Broncos at Indy for the AFC title game, meaning the Colts will gain the upper hand in their regular-season matchup.
NFP - Fisher’s future in Tennessee not assured - Robert Boland
NFP - Zorn's demotion just adds to chaos in D.C. - Matt Bowen
CBS - Play-calling change will only confuse Redskins - Clark Judge
SI - Working for Washington Redskins' Daniel Snyder not worth money - Don Banks
FOX - Schein 9: How to fix NFC East's problems
"Who was that moron who thought Denver was a last-place team during the preseason?"
Y! - Traffic jam for Pro Bowl-caliber QBs - Mike Silver
"3. Denver Broncos: Now that Eddie Royal has been unearthed – and they just essentially clinched the AFC West title – are there any remaining questions about these guys?"
PFW - Week Seven power rankings
ESPN - NFL Power Rankings Week 7
PFW - MVP Meter: Two horses in this race - Dan Parr
PFW - Rookie Meter: Cushing rises to top
ESPN - Chicago Bears banking on Gaines Adams to finally deliver on promise - Len Pasquarelli
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Thanks Doug, for alot of Horse Tracks... you do great work.
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
Thanks Doug for the Horse Tracks
Adam Schefter raised a good question this morning on his Twitter: @Adam_Schefter : After 6 games, Kyle Orton has been as good, and probably better, than Jay Cutler. So if Cutler gets 2 years, $30 mil, what does Orton get?
What do you guys think?
Moreno 09 and beyond!!!
by BroncoKO on Oct 21, 2009 7:21 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
2 years 60 mil
He’s won about twice as many games this season. Makes sense.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Oct 21, 2009 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, the spot market for quarterbacks can get crazy. I like Matt Cassell a lot more than some others around here, but the #34 pick and an obscene contract was an astounding price for someone who’d played about 8 good pro games.
On the plus side, there are no Scott Piolis getting new GM jobs this year. The tycoon-joker owners who like to overspend, like to overspend for players known for throwing 60-yard ropes, not guys who are smart and know when to throw the ball away. I believe that Orton will be viewed, accurately, as a system player worth more to Denver than to any other team. And I think the guy knows what a good thing he has going. But I’m in no position to tell him to turn down a truckload of money if some wise, high-achieving titan of industry decides to offer it to him.
it’s funny how nobody’s talking about Brandstater right now.
Have to agree
with your comment Chibronx. Espec. this part echoes my thinking
I believe that Orton will be viewed, accurately, as a system player worth more to Denver than to any other team.
That doesn’t mean the Broncs have him over the barrel by any means, but if Orton is happy and successful playing in the system and likes the organization and living here, it might result in a contract agreement lower than what other QBs might gain simply based on production numbers. Will be interesting to see.
Orton and McDaniels are a perfect match
I’ve always envisioned Orton being extended, and giving the Broncos a discount (he’ll take Cassel money per year, is my guess — and he’ll get 3 years, what? $30 with $15 guaranteed?). The intrigue comes from when the Broncos will sign him: do they wait, and watch his stock rise (or fall); or do they lock him up now when, if he’s willing to sign, he’d probably be willing to take less?
Not having to draft a Bradford or a Locker will save the Broncos roughly $45 mil in guaranteed money. Not having two first round picks also frees up money. Which means we might be able to resign Kuper, Doom, and Marshall, as well.
Pat Bowlen better have his checkbook ready. There are alot of contracts due.
Here’s a good source for current contracts:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_contracts.aspx?sport=NFL&majteam=DEN
My guess for Orton? 5 years/$80 million similar to an Aaron Rogers deal.
No joke.
Orton, Doom, Marshall, Scheffler, Kuper.
Are they going to be able to sign all of them? Are they all Restricted Free Agents?
All 5 are vital, IMO.
by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 21, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Doug, it will take a while to get used to calling you by your name
live and die blue and orange
What did I miss?
Suddenly all the staffers have dropped their blog nics for real names. What’s next? An MHR print edition?
in honor of 3million visits I believe, they have decided to go Pro! lol its nice
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
I love how the NFP
has the two 5-0 teams ranked over the two 6-0 teams haha. Guess we’ll just have to go 7-0, then 8-0…..etc…
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Well...
If it all just should go by record, then what’s the point of a power poll? Just to sort out teams with the same record? It’s not their fault they played one fewer game than the Broncos…
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 21, 2009 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions
haha I know
I was merely sitting her at work sippin my coffee and felt like griping about something :-P Plus I’m never satisfied until or unless we are #1 HAHA
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
HAHA YES SIR I WILL!!!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
My friend's a huge Saints fan
We’ve jokingly been planning this party since last year when neither team made the playoffs…
A bye week right now really sucks...
I feel like a puppy-lovestruck teenager…I miss the Broncos already, and it’s only been two days!
Well, as Colinski pointed out the other day...
If you’ve got NFLN you can re-watch Monday’s game tonight at 930ET
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/networkschedule
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 21, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
That Mariotti piece about Cutler and Orton
made me as happy as a clam this morning. Although I think the twitter thing wasn’t as big of a deal as he made it, just guys having fun, he’s pretty spot-on about Cutler’s bad side and frustrating side, along with all of his talent. Orton’s a better fit for McDaniels’ control, smart, accuracy-dependent offense. Cutler will be better in Chicago when they improve the people around him on offense, to be fair, but after reading that article I was reminded why I think we got the better of that deal.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
And of course
with all those turnovers in the end zone, Cutler does the “we” thing rather than ever taking responsibility himself directly for interceptions.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Yards vs. Points
While I agree yards per game is a flawed stat, points per game can be equally misleading. For example, think of the 2007(?) Denver DEF that didn’t give up a TD for 4 or 5 games but was allowing lots of yards… and promptly gave up huge points the rest of the season.
A team that gives up lots of yards, but few points is likely due for a big correction… it probably means the opposing offenses have had unusally bad luck with missed field goals, turnovers after long-drives, etc…. but at some point the other teams are likely to average out to the same rates as the DEF allows for the rest of the field.
I believe a number of studies have disproven the “bend-but-not-break” defense, at least as something that can be maintained for a long-sample size/multiple seasons (some teams have managed it for a season, but then give up a ton of points the following year).
Luckily for Denver, its not like we’re giving up lots of yards either… we’re 2nd in that stat. Basically, this defense is just playing really well, by whatever stat/measure you want to use.
I’m confused here. Obviously, there will always be outliers and exceptions. But when it comes down to it, what do you think is a better measure of a defense? Yards or points?
Points differential is always a better statistic, but when I’m isolating the offense or defense I’d rather look at points than yards. The 2008 Broncos are a perfect example; it was ridiculous how many people called them “elite” or “the #2 offense in the NFL.”
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 21, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Depends one what you are trying to measure
One of the things people trip over in stats is seeing the difference between indicators and results. Some stats tell you how well someone has done, others do a better job of telling you how well they will do.
For example, let’s say you were interested in rainfall. Around here (Portland, OR), it rains from October to March pretty much everyday. If you just looked at average daily rainfall, you would predict the same amount of rain for all times of the year. Looking a little deeper, you could look at a calendar and make a better prediction.
So, points allowed is a good measure of how well a defense has performed, but I don’t think it’s as good a predictor as yards.
I remember an article a couple weeks ago
was talking about the same thing with respect to turnovers. Turnovers have incredible explanative power (they won the turnover battle, so that’s why they won the game), but they don’t have all that great predictive power (they’re averaging 1.5 turnovers a game, but that doesn’t mean they’re likely to get that this game). Now, some teams are still better at getting turnovers than others, but a large portion of the turnover differential is still random variation. So the teams that are doing extraordinarily well at it are likely to do not quite as well in the future, and teams that are doing extraordinarily poorly are likely to do a little better in the future.
Exactly! Well said PDXTai
Basically, neither yards nor points is very good stat on their own…. in combination, you begin to be able to tell a story.
For example. Lets say a team (call them the “Donkeys”) only gave up 10 points in a game (less than Denver’s current avg/game). Lets also say the the Donkey’s punter had a huge day, and netted 55 yards per punt, including 4 kicks which pinned the BrownRedLions inside the 10. Lets call the opposing offense the “CLEWASDET BrownRedLions”. The BrownRedLions offense had 400+ yards, but 3 missed FGs and a red zone fumble on a bad snap, and a failed 4th down in the redzone at the end of the game.
Would you say the defense played very well, even though they gave up a ton of yards? I’d say no, because “Cleveland” left somewhere between 9-23 points on the field, with very little influence by the Defense… on a “typical” day against a non-inept opponent, that DEF would’ve been scorched. In such a case, the yards allowed might be a MUCH better indicator of the Defense performance.
This is why advanced stats, like those at FootballOutsiders and elsewhere, are so much more useful in general, than most traditional stats. Those advanced stats at FO measure success, and control for things like opponent strength, grabage time yards, etc.
No stat is perfect, but that is why looking at multiple stats, including advanced stats, can give us a MUCH better appreciation of whats happening than any single stat.
sorry about the bad cut-paste organization
what an atrocity of organization… need to remember to proofread more.
Obviously, I agree that the clearest picture is painted by a combination of statistics. I understand that a bad defense can have a lucky day in giving up lots of yards without points, and so on.
But we’re not talking about a singular game here, nor are we talking about using multiple or complex metrics. Naturally, the more games (larger sample) and the more stats utilized, the more accurate our measure.
My point above was not to say that points allowed are a fabulous or all-telling measure of a defense. It was that between such simple stats as yards and points, I’d submit that points are much more important.
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 21, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
My best measurement is the "eyeball" measurement
And my “eyeballs” tell me that the 2009 Denver Broncos defense is GOOOOOOOOD. I’ll be honest, they frighten and intimidate me from the other side of the TV screen. In a good way.
2009 Season Motto: TAKE IT!! TAKE IT!! TAAAAAAAKE IT!!!!!
The best powder is pure, light, dry Colorado powder!!
Go Broncos!!!!!
by powderaddict on Oct 21, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Except that “eyeball” measurement can be easily deceived by opposition. A mediocre team playing the 2009 Browns will look great… a good team playing 2009 Denver may look bad…
So even “eye ball” measurements are flawed.
As for Doug’s points vs. yards… I really think PDXtai is right…
If I’m trying to predict future performance, I’d stick with yards.
If I want to describve past performance, I’ll use points.
If I want to tell a story that has robust justification, I should probably combine them, use advanced metrics, and perhaps most importantly bring in some “eyeball” measurements.
Throw in
Game plans, situational circumstances, teams played, match ups, etc. and all stats should be taken with a grain of salt. What stats are good for is finding trends. i.e. one team allows yards not points while another team allows points not yards. How does that match up with the trends of opponents offences. Even then stats aren’t always true.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Nice work as always NYC
I just want to tip my hat to you on all the time you put in to get all these links so that we don’t have to. Very much appreciated.
I wanted to add one more link for you that a Charger buddy of mine sent me. He told me it that as much as it hurts, it’s true. I think it pretty much sums them up.
http://www.nctimes.com/sports/columnists/paris/article_104126b1-5f46-59a2-ad08-c5e5502432cd.html
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
nice find - comparing the Chargers to Balloon Boy. hehe
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 21, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
The title confused me a bit
I read it quickly and thought “Holy crap, Jumpy Geathers is still playing football?!? That dude’s gotta be like 50 years old by now!”
Oooooh… Gaither, right.
by SinDonor on Oct 21, 2009 9:58 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Orton interview
Under podcasts: http://www.thescore1510.com/
thanks Jeff!
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 21, 2009 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
nice listen! Orton's a humble down-to-earth, team-first, family man
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 21, 2009 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
As I sit upon my Throne of Smugness
and gaze out across the sea of media contradiction, I cannot help but be amused at the sheep.
Thanks NYC.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
So Kaptain, you do have a flair for poetry. Question, does
your Throne come with a roll of paper?…..lol
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
Interesting
When I sit on the throne , I’m not sure if I want to see the media.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Yes/No.....Do you have any in powder Blue?
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
Sorry I missed all this earlier
I was on my throne “Scouting” the Ravens.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
No worries.
Trying to find some Dolt TP for you.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
New name for the Defence?
In the “Paige: McDaniels worth his weight in gold” article Woody mentions the “The Doom switch to linebacker, the Gloom defense…”
That would make the coolest name for the new Broncos D!
The Denver Doom and Gloom D!!
Go Broncos!
Woody should not be credited with naming anything which relates positively to the 2009 Broncos. No way, no how.
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 21, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Ture dat!
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein
err True dat......
sheesh got me all riled up can’t even type
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein
I Like The
Doomsday Defense which someone posted on MHR.
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
That is already taken.
By an old Dallas team I think. It would be like some other team naming there D The orange Crush.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Sad
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels
How about the "Temporary Insanity Defense"?
As in anyone who said Dumervil wouldn’t be good in the 3-4 clearly lost their mind for a while.
"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 21, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
No. Woody already takes credit for Rocktober
He deserves nothing but scorn for how he helped turn Broncos fans against the team, the coach, and the new QB this off season.
One thing I hate....
is all the “experts” are now saying…..Who could have forseen the Broncos at 6-0, and any one that says they could, are liars!
AHHHHHH HORSEPUCKY!!!!!!! We here at MHR still know, and knew, and believed!!
19-0 LOL there I said it
The biggest bonus of going 19-0 (and yes I was rooting for the Pats to do it) would be stopping the old has beens (’72 phins) from popping that stupid bottle of champagne every year!
I still remember the MNF game when the Broncos were the last undefeated (that season) going into Miami, and they were interviewing Bob Griese, and he was rooting for the Dolphins over his own son Brian, just so they could pop open that friggin bottle of champagne, how sad is that?
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein
errr last undefeated team
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein
Some research would be nice
Lombardi is on the bandwagon, but it would be nice if he did his own research. He makes the statement “Not allowing the Chargers a third-down conversion in the second half was impressive, as is giving up only three points in the second half all season.” Umm, sounds great, but the Bengals scored a TD in the 4th quarter — I know, I was there and saw it.
This little factoid is pooping up everywhere, and stems directly from a Gruden MNF comment. Another error popping up is that Royal was the first Bronco to score on both a kick and a punt return. As we all know, it happened in 1961 as well — again a Grudenism from MNF that has been reprinted multiple times, including on the official NFL.com recap. Ironically, while denverbroncos.com notes it was the second in team history, they got the year wrong.
I decry the fact most Americans rely upon sole-source media for their “knowledgebase.” Now the media is relying on the media — I can just see Lombardi grabbing a pencil to make a note about “only three points” as the misinformation spewed forth from Gruden’s mouth — we’re in a downward spiral that will end with the media interviewing one another about Paris Hilton’s views on world events. Oh, wait… That was last week on Larry King…
.by DCJ on Oct 21, 2009 3:27 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
mmmmmmmmmmmm.......crow
an awful lot of crow being served up today. While the pundits are certainly “believing” the broncos are “real” now, I won’t be surprised when they all pick the other team again next week…
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Oct 21, 2009 3:28 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Punter tryouts?
Adam Schefter just tweeted this:
Adam_Schefter Something of a homecoming — the Broncos worked out former University of Colorado punter Mitch Berger today.
I’m not entirely surprised the Broncos aren’t… entirely happy with Brett Kern, but wondering why then they wouldn’t bring back Colquitt? Must be more to the story.
DP also reports that the team will be getting a few days off for the bye week, which is nice.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Thanks Doug - made for some great reading over my tea today
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 21, 2009 5:05 PM MDT reply actions
Cutler comment in Ochocinco article
This league is funny. It’s all about timing. You could be one of the best players in the league but if you’re not in the right system, you don’t have the right people around you, there’re a lot of different aspects that go into making a player or breaking a player.
Translation: Oh I wish I had BMarsh and Eddie and Scheffy and Graham and Stokely….and a running game….
I’m not wishing him ill will (indeed, he says some nice things about the Broncos in that article), it’s just a very eyebrow raising comment.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Thanks, Doug.
"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."
by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 22, 2009 7:01 AM MDT reply actions
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