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A New CBA - Part 1

 

There is alot of talk being generated here at MHR about the ongoing Labor Talks and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement that is set to expire at the end of the 2010 NFL season. I thought I would begin to inform the members about what is going on and open a little discussion on this subject. I have quite a bit of information to pass along, so I decided to break it up into three posts. It will be a Past, Present, and Future look of sorts and I hope to break it down enough to keep it interesting and somewhat concise. Now to begin.

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The Collective Bargaining Agreement, which ushered in free agency and the salary cap, was signed in 1993 and was subsequently extended five times under the leadership of late NFLPA Executive Director Gene Upshaw and former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue.
In March 2006, the NFL owners and the NFL Players Association agreed to an extension of the CBA. Faced with a severely limiting salary cap of $94.5 million in 2006 and the loss of the salary cap in 2007, an accord was reached.

The two sides worked on an extension for nearly two years. This extension let the salary cap rise to $102 million for the 2006 season, and $109 million for 2007. It also extended the maximum prorating period for signing bonuses to 5 years in 2006, and 6 years in 2007, and then returning to 5 years again in 2008.

The 2006 deal included an opt-out provision, one that could be exercised by either side, and the owners last year chose that option to void the final two years of the pact, which was to run through the 2012 season.

The top-earning teams were making it difficult for the lower-earning teams to keep pace with the salary cap. So a revenue sharing program was installed.

Money goes into a pool of what is called "total football revenue" in the CBA. Regardless of how much each franchise makes, all of the money counts toward TFR with the players receiving 59%.

This system has three tiers. The top 5 revenue teams would each pay the highest share into the revenue sharing pool, teams 6-10 would each pay the middle share, and teams 11-15 would each pay the lowest share. The lower 17 teams would then split the revenue pool. This has caused resentment among the owners who are forced to share.



The Main issue, as always, is money and how it’s divvied up. The owners believe they're not getting a large enough slice of the pie, as they pay out soaring player salaries and fund their pricey new stadiums. Although annual league revenue totals more than $7 billion, the NFL has stated the CBA called for teams to spend almost $4.5 billion this year. The need for new stadiums has forced them to dig into their own pockets for building and upkeep while the players have profited from the additional revenue. Combine that with the impact on advertising and sponsorship caused by the poor economy, owners are worried about how they can maintain an acceptable profit while paying the players 59% of the pie. From the players’ aspect, all the talk about renegotiating the CBA smacks of the owners asking the players to solve the revenue-sharing problems, and that simply won't fly.
 
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has acknowledged that the NFL and its owners failed to foresee the economic issues that would face the league when the last CBA was approved. In fact, most teams are having trouble maximizing the cap. As a result, 15 of the NFL’s 32 teams were at least $10 million under the salary cap.

While there are indications that ticket sales for 2009 are off for some teams, the league recently signed a two-year television extension through 2013 that is reported to contain increases of from 3% to 5%. The players, who currently receive 60 percent of most league revenue, feel they should continue to reap the benefits of rising franchise values.

The NFLPA and the owners have met twice in the past two months to negotiate a new deal, but Smith has said that the meetings have not featured much substantive progress.

Will the NFL and the NFLPA reach a new agreement in time to stave off an uncapped 2010 season? It’s too early to tell. Now it is up to new NFLPA Director DeMaurice Smith and Commissioner Roger Goodell to figure out the future of the League.

In Part 2 of this series, we will take a look at The Issues and then follow up with a discussion of an Uncapped Year scenario. Stay tuned.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Now THAT makes sense.

Great post Kaptain. Rec’d.

I can’t wait for the next one!!!!

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 22, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool

I think you will like them.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks kaptain

im glad you are posting this bc honestly i am so lost when it comes to this side of the NFL
should i be worried that the NFL will do some type of hold out thing in the future?
def waiting for the next installment – and rec’d

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by BroncoJoe311 on Oct 22, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Your welcome Joe

There is a lot of Legal speak in the CBA that can confuse anyone who is not a lawyer, Not that I am. I hope you don’t need to worry, Roger Goodell is going to do everything in his power to prevent a lockout. Whether the owners or players agree, now that is another story.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for all the work, Kirk. Not to fuss, but only the owners can prevent a lockout, since they’re the only party that can institute one.

by Chibronx on Oct 22, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true

but my statement still stands. The commissioner has been quoted as saying those very words.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Kaptain.

This is very helpful and much appreciated. I’ll read them all.

And it has to be fun for you to see this team doing so well after seeing so much of camp. Are they exceeding your expectations? I’m sure you are not complaining if so… ; )

by NedBronco on Oct 22, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am totally stoked

about 6-0. From what I saw in Training Camp, I could almost visualize Josh McDaniels plan. Of course there was help from the logical minds on this site also. It’s all their fault for giving everyone here insight and seeing through the mist that the media opines.
13-3 Baby!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This site made me look like a genius to my friends and co-workers in the off-season

The quality of information on this site continues to amaze me and your posts KK, are always great. Time to go show off my new found knowledge about the CBA at the water cooler ;)

by rollinthunder on Oct 22, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should have an MHR confessional page or a TV commercial or something.

“Hey, I’m (blank) and I’ve been off of MSM for (blank) years/months/weeks. I have grown in my football/bronco knowledge and sound like a genius around my friends. You should give MHR a try and maybe you can have a similar success story. MHR……where ACTUAL broncos knowledge comes from.”

I am kentuckybronco and I approve this message.

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by kentuckybronco on Oct 22, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

my name is Kirk, and I am a Broncoholic.
Step 1.) admit that you have a problem…..

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That isn't a problem KK

It is a blessing!

I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet

by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 23, 2009 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have said this elsewhere but i believe it bears repeating....

I have allowed my subscription to the DP to lapse and have relied almost completely upon MHR for my Bronco news and information.

Thanks to all for your work and to KK specifically for this piece. As I fancy myself a geeky “wannabe” GM (baseball and hockey anyway), I enjoy articles/posts such as this one.

Go Broncos!

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by HockeyHippie on Oct 23, 2009 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it a fallacy that the owners pay for their new stadiums

Haven’t most of them been funded by taxpayer money?

In any case, I have nothing against any of these guys (owners or players) making money, but I think there should be more revenue sharing. I think that an owner like Jerry Jones makes way more off his team than, say, Ralph Wilson. Jerry should be putting more in to the pot if he can afford a billion dollar palace. I mean if he didn’t have another team to play, it would be pretty hard to sell the thing out.

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by solace on Oct 22, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how true it is

We know that most of them have been subsidized by Municipal Bonds that are basically loans from the taxpayers. Whether that gets repaid or not, who can say. Politicians have a way of hiding these things from the public. It is probably intermingled with the Stadium Lease.
As for your other question, that will be in one of the next posts, so you will just have to wait. =)

Hopefully, this stuff will fill the bye week and distract everyone from the fact that our Broncos won’t be playing. I’m sure the staff will create other stories to ponder.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say the same thing. Sports stadiums financed by the private sector are extremely rare — Pac Bell park is the only recent example I can think of. In general, I am extraordinarily skeptical of owners who cite stadium costs as a drag on their finances.

I support revenue sharing in principle. The problem with it has always been the cheapskate owners of the world. In this case I’d point to the Glazers in Tampa. They take their revenue sharing $$, then cut every corner possible with respect to on-field spending. I think Tampa is $40 million under the cap this year. And they basically admitted to hiring Raheem Morris in part because his age and inexperience made him cheap.

One measure that’s been floated is a minimum salary spending level that owners would have to meet to get their share of the revenue-sharing pool. That’s a measure that higher-spending owners and the NFLPA would both support.

by Chibronx on Oct 22, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

and I will get into some of that in the upcoming posts. Shall we discuss it then?

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I"d rather see them keep the revenue sharing to a minimum and have an effective salary cap. The Glazer issue rankles me.

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by pubkeeper on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought there already was a minimum salary level

Hey, just checking in on my post below, tand this one caught my attention. I, too, am very interested in the CBA talks.

But, anyway, I thought that there was a minimum salary level that each team was required to meet.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 22, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If so, it’s waaay too low.

by Chibronx on Oct 22, 2009 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is

I will explain more in Part 2

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking Forward to it, Kap'n

Sorry to steal your thunder by pushing on above.

by Chibronx on Oct 22, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking forward to it as well

I didn’t realize it was extremely low. Based on the Glazer comment, probably about $40M below the cap, I’d guess. :)

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 23, 2009 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kap, You are a Bad Ass with this stuff, thanks!!!

They simply have to have this revenue sharing model for the 17 lowest teams, don’t they?

It’s not like a small market team is going to be able to jump up to the level of Dan Synder even if they won 5 straight Super Bowls.

But how do you keep these crappy owners from simply just sucking off the shared revenue. Where is their incentive to win?

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Oct 22, 2009 3:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, that is part of the problem between the owners

Jerry Jones spends a lot of money and effort on his team, which translates to the success of the league. He is ticked off at the Cleveland Browns owner Mike Brown, whose frugality is legend, Brown doesn’t spend enough money to keep up his share of league promotion. Jerry doesn’t want to share the revenue pool when he’s giving, for example, 85% and Brown gives 15%. This is just an example but if you look at the two franchises, you can see who is successful and who isn’t. If you are giving more effort than a co worker, wouldn’t you want a bigger piece of the pie?

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But isn't he still getting more?

So say the Cowboys make $10, and the Browns make $2. It’s not like the revenue sharing gives each of them $6, is it? I would imagine that the Browns pay in $.50 (25%) and the Cowboys pay in $5 (50%), so the Browns end up with $2 – $.50 + $2.75 = $4.25 and the Cowboys end up with $10 – $5 + $2.75 = $7.75 Obviously the numbers and percentages are made up, but that’s the gist of it, correct?

I guess the question is how much did the Browns being in the league contribute to the Cowboys earnings? In our fictional two team league, I would say quite a bit, and in the 32 team league, how would the top half do without the lower half?

by BTS on Oct 23, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he is getting more, but he's earned it

I don’t think he wants to share his efforts when Brown doesn’t put forth any.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice to know we have a resident Cap-ologist on hand!

Great work on a subject that I will admit has mystified me for a while now. I anxiously await the rest of your series!

Thanks for putting in the time!

- Jason

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by jubei on Oct 22, 2009 4:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

"Analyzing the Salary Kap" by KaptainKurk

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by kentuckybronco on Oct 23, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can read more on the Cap

In my post THE SALARY CAP

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent wok and rec'd

Thank you!

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by Emmett Smith on Oct 22, 2009 4:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope to see part very soon....I've been pondering this issue since last year, but

I must not be informed enough to really grasp what is going on and why. I do know that I’ve always felt that the pendulum has swung too far in the players favor in recent years and a more balanced agreement should be reached. 60% is too big a slice of pie…I know the arguments for it, but reality tells me that the Owners need income to expand and build up.

The players are afraid of returning to the pre-90’s pendulum of guys playing their asses off for dirt and some sawdust…they need to understand that there needs to be a balance or the NFL will suffer, which means they will suffer. I’d like to see 50% to the players and 50% to the owners…how can anyon argue that 50-50 isn’t fair? lol Of course, the NFLPA would….

Personally, if the NFLPA refuses to negotiate to a reasonable level then I hope they strike…the end result would be a much smaller CBA 60% pie to go around. I’ve found Unions to be fairly stupid when it comes to protecting their own long term interests. Then again, when they don’t take a hard line, they end up getting shafted by the CEO’s….

Where is that fine line?

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 22, 2009 5:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Union movement has traces dating back to the 1850's

and I am a member of a Union. I have also been in business for myself, so I kind of understand both points of view. Unfortunately, it is you and I who will ultimately pay for it all.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zappa, the owners’ complaints that the current CBA disadvantaged them would be easier to swallow if they opened their books. But they won’t. As long as we know all the details about player compensation, but little about team-level profits and escalation in franchise values, the only thing a person can do is remain skeptical.

by Chibronx on Oct 23, 2009 7:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point. I am a Union member as well,

but I won’t just “default” to the Union position on principle. I would, however, think the Owners not opening their books would be a hindrance to any type of “partnership” in the NFL.

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by HockeyHippie on Oct 23, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Kirk!

Is there any talk of addressing some sort of rookie salary structure? These high first rounders are taking way more than they should and I would think the NFLPA would also want to set some boundaries there.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 22, 2009 5:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

Perfect timing on this. What better time than the bye week to get into this?

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 22, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that is one of the issues upcoming

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting tidbit

I believe that Club Seating and Luxury Sweet revenue do not go into “Total Football Revenue”. Think Jerry Jones built a lot of club seats and boxes into that new stadium of his?

by Hizilla on Oct 22, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding work, Kaptain!

You have done a great deal of research and I, for one, appreciate and laud your efforts!

Thanks and rec’d.

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by hairybear on Oct 22, 2009 6:43 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I salute you Kap'n for yet another outstanding job.

and rec’d too

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by BShrout on Oct 22, 2009 7:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks HB and BShrout

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 22, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work KK

I am anxious to learn about revenue sharing and what exactly that means. Is that total ticket sales or does it include merchandise as well etc?

I will TRY and be patient until Part 2 appears

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by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 23, 2009 12:21 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is where I'll put the answer to your Revenue sharing question

Revenue Sharing and The Salary Cap
by Mark Lawrence

Revenue sharing

About 2/3 of the NFL’s money comes from the TV deal. The players get about 2/3 of team revenue. So, more or less, the TV contract goes to pay the players. These contracts are typically for about 5 years, and every time they are renegotiated the price goes up. So do player’s salaries.

The money from the TV contract is share and share alike – the Redskins, Cowboys, Bills, and Packers get identical checks. This money is key to the success of the smaller franchises. Without the TV contract money, there is simply no way on earth that Green Bay could ever field a competitive team.

There are a lot of other sources for NFL money. NFL licensed jerseys, for example that Randy Moss jersey you put on your kid last Halloween when you dressed him up as a demon, result in license fees going to the NFL. This money is also equally shared.

When the teams play, there is a “gate,” the money people pay for seats. This is in the neighborhood of about $2.5M per game. This money is split 60-40, with the visiting team getting 40% of the gate. Because of this teams like Jacksonville and Arizona just love it when the Packers or Cowboys come to play. These are the two or three games each year these teams can count on selling out, and the money they get is very welcome. Sometimes you will find that to buy a ticket to see the Packers on the road you have to buy a package of two or three tickets. This is nothing more or less than a device to get money from Packers fans into the pockets of the other teams owners.

Unshared money

The newer stadiums have large box seats which are leased to corporations. This money is not currently shared, which gives individual teams a big incentive to get a new stadium with fewer normal seats and more corporate seats.

Some teams (read: Cowboys) are starting to make their own licensed products and refuse to share the money. They theory is that Jerry Jones is a brilliant marketer (who just happens to live next to half the country’s oil wells) so why should he share his hard-earned money with a slacker like Art Rooney (who just happens to live next to a bunch of shut-down steel mills in a solidly blue-collar town). The box seat and license money is a subject of great debate at this instant, and is the big holdup in renewing the NFL labor contract: the owners cannot sign a labor contract until they know how much money they’re taking in, and until the new revenue agreement is signed they don’t know that.

Finally, a well designed stadium can bring in other money for events like concerts, weddings, a pro shop, and the sale of $12 hot dogs. This money is not shared, again giving teams a huge incentive for a new stadium. The Packer’s stadium is a model of efficiency, and does a league-leading job of extracting money from the local residents. If Green Bay were in the Spy / Defense / Government business like Washington, or the oil business like Dallas, the Packers would almost certainly lead the league in revenue. In fact Green Bay makes placemats, napkins and toilet paper, so the Packers are about #12 in the league in revenue.

In 2005 teams will make about $110M – $140M per year in gross revenue, and the players get about $85M of that. The $85M number is the salary cap. This is an agreed upon percentage of total league revenue divided by 32. Each team may spend $85M on players, no more. Each team must spend at least 80% of the salary cap, it’s not allowed to be a complete cheapskate. However, things are much more complicated than that simple statement. First, the TV contract has escalator clauses. This has nothing to do with shopping malls and elevators, it means the contract payments increase each year. In ’06 the salary cap is likely to be over $100M, about a 20% increase. This means that the top contracts are continually going up in value, and a contract signed a couple years ago is suddenly looking pretty thin. Although the US as a whole has almost no inflation, the NFL lives in an artificial world with about a 10% inflation rate. The idea of salary indexing has not really happened in the NFL, with the result that you see people sign very competitive contracts and two or three years later comparable players are making twice as much. This promotes a lot of hard feelings and contract problems. Appendix 1 shows the historic salary cap.

All 53 team players and the 8 players on the practice squad count towards the salary cap. A team may not exceed the salary cap. If a team does exceed the cap, the NFL can waive players from the team, starting with those earning the lowest salaries, until the team’s payroll has fallen under the cap. In addition, the NFL may fine a team up to $1 million per day for exceeding the cap. In practice this doesn’t come up because if a proposed contract would put the team over the salary cap, the NFL won’t approve the contract.

Player benefits are currently capped at $12,156,000 per club above the salary cap.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good read Kirk...

I’ll surely read the next chapters you got.

/Jeb

by Jebbins on Oct 23, 2009 2:16 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Job Mr. KK

Highly rec’d of course. Can’t wait for the 2nd installment of increasing my Pro football knowledge on the CBA

by papasteven on Oct 23, 2009 6:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post KK...Looking forward to the rest of the series...Thanks

BTW…It is great that so many of our MHR Members (and Staff) have their own little niche’s and contributions to the state of our Team…Thanks to y’all!

by BroncoSense72 on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks again for the kind words.

I will try to answer your questions as I go. It looks like I will have to dig deeper too!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 7:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this can help as well....

http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/5/20/523809/nfl-owners-opt-out-of-cba

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by John Bena on Oct 23, 2009 8:13 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, John

Very helpful.

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by pubkeeper on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks John

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks John. Thanks Kap.

I love this site. I’m glad I found MHR this off season. Very knowledgeable and wise group. Looking forward to the others.

Who filled my beer mug with Kool-Aid?

by Beer30Bronco on Oct 23, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Kaptain.

One question or maybe I just missed something. If the current agreement expires at the end of the 2010, why would 2010 be an uncapped year? Is this simply because tthe cap wasn’t defined for 2010 or does it just go away because the agreement expires at the end of the season?

by bchiper on Oct 23, 2009 8:47 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It will go away

because the owners voided the extension. That will be resolved when the two sides agree to a new Contract.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks,

so essentially since the owners opted out of the current CBA, whatever cap may have been in place became voided…..Got it.

by bchiper on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great work, Kirk

Incredibly interesting stuff. Same reason I enjoyed watching Spector’s hearings on the NFL Network/Comcast conflict. It is a reminder that our favorite game is not just a product of X’s, O’x and tremendously large, powerful humans – but of a government and business collaboration that has fueled it’s phenomenal growth.

Listening to a radio report about head injuries in football this morning it made me wonder about the likelihood of addressing long term pension/health care issues in the process of overhauling the CBA. I mean, isn’t a lot of the issue with having all these rules around guaranteed money and up front payouts based on the players’ risk of being injured and left on their own at any point?

Seems like if the NFLPA stepped up their game in regards to its members (especially the already retired) long term well being it might create some breathing room for player-owner negotiation…. Any thoughts on that?

by jonahsilas on Oct 23, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m interested in the concussions/occupational health issue, too. If I were running the NFLPA (full disclosure: I’m not), I would want to wait and see what happens with health care legislation before deciding upon my bargaining goals and strategy. If the new legislation bans the use of pre-existing conditions to make people ineligible for insurance, and if it stipulates an annual out-of-pocket maximum for health costs, the players would be able to use more of their leverage on non-health-care aspects of a future CBA.

by Chibronx on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

To answer you both

I do have a little information about the concussion issue. I don’t know if it fits with the next post or not. And ChiBronx, there is a health and welfare problem that needs to be addressed.
I’m working on it….

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will look forward to it KK

and will fanshot the link to the radio show – it was really interesting. Forum is one of the best shows SF’s NPR station KQED puts on.

by jonahsilas on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't expect much progress on a new CBA anytime soon.

The owners will let this go till the last minute and definitely play hardball negotiating because they can. I like the new director of the NFLPA, D. Smith but he’s been publicly posturing recently which I don’t think gets very far. When they get locked in a room till they resolve the issues is when things will get done, but don’t expect that till 2011.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Oct 23, 2009 2:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right Ponderosa

Both sides will push until the Eleventh hour, then strike a deal preventing an Uncapped Year. The money means too much to both sides not to adjust to the economy. Everyone else has. So should they.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the information Kaptain!

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Oct 24, 2009 12:10 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs


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