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Horse Tracks 10/23/09 - Raiders coach Cable will not face charges in Hanson case

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LTC - Undefeated Broncos still not satisfied - Brian Howell

DPP - Q&A: Do the Broncos dare continue to be slow starters on both sides of the ball? - Jeff Legwold

KDVR - Denver Broncos 'Bye Week Awards' - Chris Tanaka

Star-divide

DB - Elway Named "Man of the Year" - Gray Caldwell

DPP - Broncos will see plenty of NFL's better offenses - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Analysis: Parity? It doesn't exist in today's NFL, and hasn't for some time - Jeff Legwold

DB - Modeling the Way - By Zach Eisendrath
Karl Mecklenburg's motivational book was released on October 1.

DC - Trade works out for everyone - Tom Waddle

NBCC - Don't Hate the Neckbeard - Eamonn Brennan
"There has even been talk -- silly talk, but talk -- that the Broncos got the best of the Cutler-Orton trade. (Anyone who has watched both the Bears and the Broncos this year realizes how silly this is; does anyone think the Bears would be better, or the Broncos worse, if the roles were reversed?)"

Ravens News

BS - Until backs make plays, it's bombs away on Ravens defense - Mike Preston

TC - Flacco not worried about swollen ankle - Aaron Wilson

AFC West News

SFC - Raiders coach Cable won't face criminal charges - Henry Lee & David White

SFC - No-win case for D.A. - Ray Ratto

SFG - Napa D.A. statement

OT - Candid Cam: Cable is free (at last?)

OT - Peterson: Cable case is closed, but it's open season on speculation

Y! - Hanson likens ruling to '77 AFC title game - Mike Silver

ESPN - JaMarcus Russell: A work in regress - Greg Garber

OT - Schilens proves welcome sight - Jerry McDonald

NFL - Raiders can't sell out game vs. Jets, so TV blackout in effect

SDUT - Kaeding: Kicking accuracy record 'not very significant' - Kevin Acee

SDUT - Cromartie bruises knee; secondary shuffled - Kevin Acee

SDNN - Criticism, exasperation replace hope for Chargers - Lee Hamilton

KCS - Chiefs high on hard-working Edwards - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs notebook: LJ understands LT’s slow start - Adam Teicher

NFL News

NFL - Gov. Schwarzenegger signs bill for L.A.-area stadium construction

SI - Ed Roski is trying to bring NFL back to Los Angeles - Jon Wertheim

NFL - Reid: Eagles LB Gaither out for season with foot injury

NFL - Turmoil surrounds Redskins Park as players, coaches seek answers

NFL - Rogers, Wimbley back with Browns, but 10 others still have flu

NFL - Colts WR Gonzalez nearing return to practice; S Sanders might start

NFL Opinion

FH - Between the Lines: Which Tackles Are Starring and Which Are Struggling? - JJ Cooper
"But what stood out against the Chargers was Nolan's clever use of delayed blitzes. "

FOX - Upon further review: The word on Rush - Jason Whitlock

CBS - Preseason mythology doesn't jibe with regular-season reality - Pete Prisco
"The Denver Broncos will be a disaster without Jay Cutler. Oops."

PFW - Rookie linebackers aren't flashes in the pan

SI - Uncovering the many myths and truths of the Wildcat offense - Dave Hyde

SN - NFC East's beasts suddenly need to solve problems - Clifton Brown

NFP - Diner morning news: A look at 3-2 teams’ playoff chances - Mike Lombardi

NFP - Tavern talk: Ranking the 3-2 teams - Mike Lombardi

NFL - Trip to London pales in comparison to distance between Pats, Bucs - Vic Carucci

Y! - Owens' star has drastically fallen in Buffalo - Charles Robinson

NFL - Webster-Fitzgerald battle one of Week 7's crucial matchups - Gil Brandt

NFP - The Player's Picks: Week 7 - Matt Bowen

SI - The Peter King Challenge

SN - Week 7 picks: Favre, Big Ben prepare for duel - Vinnie Iyer

SI - 2010 NFL Draft's biggest unanswered question - Don Banks

NFP - Should Bradford stay or go? - Jack Bechta

NFL - Nebraska's Suh tops strong draft class of impact defensive tackles - Bucky Brooks

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Thanks, Doug.

"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."

by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 23, 2009 5:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC

Lots to read.

On the Tom Cable issue. I read it on NFL fanhouse here’s a comment by one of the posters

Aztecsfan said…
“This conclusion is supported by the statements of independent witnesses present in the room, including and especially the coach who bumped into Mr. Hanson’s chair.”

“Independent witnesses”? WTF? The only witnesses there are the Raiders coaching staff. And I highly doubt they’re going to squeal on their head coach if they want to keep their job. There were no independent witnesses.

This case has been a total crock from the beginning. Not only did this guy get assaulted, but now he’ll probably never work in football again. On top of that, since Tom Cable got away with beating the crap out of his staff, he will more than likely use this as an intimidation tactic the next time he has issues with a member of his staff.

I think this says it all.

by papasteven on Oct 23, 2009 6:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree

I think that this has been a travesty of justice. I cannot stop thinking of Cable as a thug, and I don’t think that is likely to change.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 23, 2009 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I missing something here?

Tom Cable has the talent of a Jr. Varsity D-line coach and the temperament of a 14 year old girl.

I’m thrilled he was not charged with a crime because I couldn’t ask for the Raiders to employee a more incompetent person as their head coach. I very much hope Cable remains on Oakland’s sideline for long long time.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Oct 23, 2009 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

As long as he follows the Cryptkeepers orders he'll stay.

Thanks Doug.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 23, 2009 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. And the Raiders will continue to go 3-13ish every year.

It’s great.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Oct 23, 2009 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I agree with McG,

I think that as long as The Crypt Keeper is making the decisions, it doesn’t really matter who’s coaching. Besides, with the way he’s treated them, what quality head coaching candidate would want to work for him anyway?

formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Gruden was very successful there earlier this decade. If not for a terrible call that went against them in Tuck Rule snow game, the Raiders may have won a Super Bowl.

I think a real NFL coach would make a big difference for them. So as long as they keep going the Art Shell, Tom Cable route, they will be horrible and I’ll laugh at them.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Oct 23, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure he was

But there was a lot more talent back then relative to now; plus, that was a LONG time ago. When you look at the current roster, it’s not like you think to yourself, “This team would be a lot better with quality coaching.” Davis has been a bit crazy for longer than I’ve been a fan. But in recent years he’s just been making piles of terrible decisions.

Going forward, I don’t think it matters who is coaching the Raiders, unless Al hires a legit GM. I don’t see that happening, either.

formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 23, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The way Al Davis does things, McG, I think we'll be seeing Tom Cable for a while.

Seems to me that this sort of behavior is right up the Zombie Owner’s alley.

Throw in the fact that Cable is a sycophant of the highest order, and that they just (somehow) beat the Eagles to get to 90% of their season win total already, and I think Cable will be around for a while.

- Jason

Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI

by jubei on Oct 23, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont count on that......

I honestly think once smeagle gets the team moved (LA is a courting again) Cable will be ancient history …..

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Oct 23, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

I didn’t think about that aspect of it, but I totally agree with your assessment, I just wanted his name dragged through the mud for a little longer.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 23, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

God Bless Tom Cable.

And God Bless Al Davis. May he live a long, long time.

Love, the Denver Broncos.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Oct 23, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

not too mention

Hanson was a Davis stooge. He was put on the staff to spy for the cryptkeeper. I have no sympathy for him or any moron on that staff. I just dont want al to ever die or give up being the lead of that craptastick franchise

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Oct 23, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Morning Douglas, Thank You for all you do on Horse Tracks...

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 23, 2009 7:53 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for fising thesea articles out NYC (Douglas)

I find it interesting that someone was keeping track of when Gonzalez would return to the Colts. Seems to me he’ll have to fight for his job back the way Garcon and Collie are playing….I believe they are more difficult to game plan for than Ganzalez.

The Cable episode didn’t surprise me much. McGeorge’s post on his talent kind of says it all.

by bchiper on Oct 23, 2009 8:57 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Just listened to the KO interview.

Very good stuff. Besides the usual banter, there were a couple of things that really stood out to me, and they both go to show how classy our QB is:

- When asked for his thoughts on the Jay Cutler deal, KO took the high road instead of disparaging the Bears organization or JC.

- When asked about playing in the shadow of John Elway, he gave what I thought was the perfect answer. He basically stated that he doesn’t try to do the things that Elway did, but that he just wants to win as many games as possible. Again, nothing but respect for Elway, but also just a sense of contentment with his role on the team.

Thanks to nyc (can I still call you that?) and JeffG for the link, and as always thanks for doing all of the legwork for us!

- Jason

Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI

by jubei on Oct 23, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Surely – NYC or Doug, whatever works for you…

formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 23, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was heartened

that he’s a Curb Your Enthusiasm fan.

Need to ask him about “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” next.

by JeffG on Oct 23, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask him how he likes his milk steak

That should be telling.

"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson

by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 23, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

MILK STEAK

LOL

Hilarious.

I love a good milk steak. With a side of your finest jellybeans.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Oct 23, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have your milk boiling just the way you like it

Unfortunately I have only caught a couple this season, I keep thinking I have to set the DVR to series record but I keep forgettting.

"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson

by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was somewhat suprised

to hear from KO that he hasn’t talked to Elway since the trade.

by rocko1 on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

has any one seen espn the mag yat? There is a little bit about McD. They ask him if he misses Jay, and his reply was, I use to watch Leno but hes not funny any more! LMAO

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

lol - classic!

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 23, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The stories on Orton vs Culter

From the Chicago media are interesting to me.

Here’s who you should hate: Anyone who tries to suggest that Orton is a better quarterback than Jay Cutler. Because that’s just wrong.

Guess it depends on your definition of “better”. If you mean “raw skills and potential” then that’s true. If you’re talking about wins in the NFL, well….

The writer talks about all this “hatred” from the Bears fans towards Orton. I don’t think it’s hatred- really, what I think he’s talking about is the sense of unease that comes from Bears fans, whom apparently are just starting to perhaps entertain the question “Did we make a mistake?”.

What they really hate is the idea that they gave up the farm AND a good QB for a guy that’s perhaps not looking like the World-Beating Savior that they were led to expect. So, you’ve got article like this one, meant to reassure that uneasy fan base that everything still is on track. Lovie & CO, they’ve got it handled- it’s all good.

No pressure Lovie. None whatsoever.

Sure will be interesting to watch it all unfold over the course of the next few years.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 23, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I mentioned this on chat during the last radio show

…but think about this: Jay Cutler, as an NFL starting QB, is 20-22. For Kyle Orton to put up a similar NFL record, he’d have to lose 17 straight games.

by JeffG on Oct 23, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NFL is a team sport. Orton has played on better teams throughout his entire career.

NFL QBs shouldn’t have a W-L record any more than WRs or ILBs.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Oct 23, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is a silly argument either way.

Just because a guy lights it up in one program doesn’t mean he would in another. Put Peyton Manning behind that crappy OL in Kansas City and let’s see him win an MVP.

Orton played for a Chicago team that didn’t know how to use him. Now he’s better off. Jay Cutler wanted a new contract and Denver didn’t want to give it to him. Now he’s got it. He’s better off too. Denver also did quite well with the draft picks we snagged in the deal as well.

And most important, Denver is 6-0. I think I will sleep well tonight.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Oct 23, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real Example of that: Matt Cassel

He excelled in NE while Brady was out, after not starting in a game since high school. Now he’s struggling in KC.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 23, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think what’s most interesting to me is the unease associated with Orton’s success in Denver, as if it’s somehow a negative indicator of cutler’s future there.

One doesn’t have anything to do with the other, yet they are tied in the mind of some.

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 23, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want winners.

that’s all.

All Ready.

by precisiontint on Oct 23, 2009 10:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Records or not, the statement misses an important point

The idea that a quarterback is simple the sum of his physical potential is absurd, no matter how common it is. Intellect, knowledge of the game, the ability to analyze defenses, decide on the best plays, hold on to the ball and to make decisions on the fly are every bit as important.

I try to stay out of this one in general. I don’t really care about Cutler, other than the effect that his performance has on our draft pick. I even wish him well, but this debate gets tedious, mainly because of all it ignores. While folks are waiting for a QB to win that mystical ‘big one’, the one in which he ‘puts a game on his back’ they might miss the number of games that are lost and the opportunities wasted by INTs, fumbles, mental errors and failures to adapt certain plays to maximize the effectiveness of the running game, just to name a few (a very few).

Whether we like it or not, one way that QBs and head coaches are judged is by wins and losses. The issues that I’ve listed are examples of why that is true for the QBs. It’s not an argument for what should or shouldn’t be, which is beyond my area of concern, but a partial explanation for what is.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Oct 23, 2009 11:55 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who has watched both the Bears and the Broncos this year realizes how silly this is; does anyone think the Bears would be better, or the Broncos worse, if the roles were reversed?

Um…yes. Me. Not even considering the trade, just saying if Orton were on the Bears and Cutler were on the Broncos, I think the Broncos would be worse. They would probably have about 1.5 more turnovers per game, which (with all other things being equal, which really, they would not, but anyways were pretending) would place us in a negative turnover differential and IMO would have equaled some losses.

Now, would the Bears be better? I don’t know. I think the Bears’ coaching is pretty bad, so they might be in about the same situation they are now. I would guess they would have less turnovers (besides interceptions, Cutler has had 5 fumbles, lost one this year), but the play calling of Chicago seems to just crush the will off all offensive Bears (see Matt Forte), so I think perhaps the Bears would be in a similar situation.

by poorboywilly on Oct 23, 2009 12:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

not to mention...

we wouldn’t have Alphonso Smith, one of our 3rd rd picks, or Moreno/Ayers…as I said below, analyzing the trade without considering those picks is irresponsible.

Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage

by TD4HOF on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

I almost mentioned the picks because, once you throw them in I think it should be clear to anyone rational that we got the better end of the deal. I was merely trying to evaluate his statement “if the roles were reversed” without anyone being able to claim “well he was just talking about Cutler vs. Orton”.

but I whole-heartedly agree with you.

by poorboywilly on Oct 23, 2009 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My venom was directed at that goofball Waddle.

I agree with you too…I don’t think Denver is 6-0 with Cutler. We would still be good, but I think his turnovers cost us 1 or 2 games.

Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage

by TD4HOF on Oct 23, 2009 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

I usually don’t look through the comments but on the “The Broncos will face the leagues toughest offenses” article, I couldn’t pass this up, a Post by someone named Tom B

The stretch run

Nov. 1, at Baltimore: Sixth in passing, ninth in rushing.

Not feeling great about this game…could be our first loss.

Nov. 9, Pittsburgh: Super Bowl champs lead league in passing.

Another game that could test the makeup of the team….loss

Nov. 15, at Washington: RB Clinton Portis seventh in rushing.

McDaniels is asked to call the plays for the Redskins, McDaniels politely declines…win

Nov. 22, San Diego: Philip Rivers has 13 TDs in seven starts against Denver.

Phillis is caught tweeting Cutler during the game…win

Nov. 26, N.Y. Giants: No. 3 in scoring (29.3).

Turkey leg goes to Doom….win

Dec. 6, at Kansas City: Broncos in Arrowhead in December? Do the math.

Matt Cassel can only look to the Broncos sideline and wonder what could have been…win

Dec. 13, at Indianapolis: QB Peyton Manning looks like first four-time MVP.

Bump in the road….loss

Dec. 20, Oakland: Classic trap game.

Al Davis….enough said….win

Dec. 27, at Philadelphia: Has four 260-yard passing games with two QBs.

Fans of the Eagles chant Dawkins name….Booo Santa Claus…win

Jan. 3, Kansas City: Larry Johnson can do some damage (if he’s interested).

Matt Cassel runs onto the field with the Broncos…win

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- Thomas Alva Edison

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by DenBronx on Oct 23, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

According to Tom Waddle...

Denver traded Jay Cutler and a 5th rd pick for Kyle Orton. Now that Orton is playing well everyone seems to be forgetting about the two 1’s and a 3 that we got. When I was reading that article I that Waddle was an idiot for not mentioning those picks, but then he has the audacity to mention the 5th that we threw in…what a joke.

Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage

by TD4HOF on Oct 23, 2009 2:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnny Knox was a nice pickup for them,

But the fact that we have 2 firsts and a 3rd plus Orton for Cutler and a 5th is kind of important to the whole thing. Although I can be a picky sum….

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Oct 23, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

darn you and your pesky details!

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 23, 2009 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome

thanks Jeff

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 23, 2009 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh great interview

Reinforces how perfect Kyle is for McDaniel’s offense considering his career and coaching at Purdue.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 23, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

UPDATE: Dana White and Cable to meet.

UFC will sign a developmental contract with Raiders head coach, Tom Cable.

Dana White went down to Napa to discuss a contract with Tom Cable that would put the Assistant Coach, jaw breaking head coach into development with the UFC and would get him onto next years “Ultimate Fighter” show. He could stand to teach a bit more about devastating knock-out blows to Kimbo Slice.

by Cory in Donkeytown on Oct 25, 2009 2:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs


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