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Horse Tracks 10/26/09 - Broncos lead down to 3 games after Dolts pound Chefs; Jokeland smoked by Jets

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Good Morning, MHR Friends! Apparently yesterday was Blowout Sunday, as six games were decided by a margin of 28 points or more - another four games were of margins 10 points or greater. The Dolts dismantled the Chefs and are now 3 games behind the Broncos in the standings. Meanwhile, Jokeland was shut out at home versus the Jets and JaMarcus the Hutt was benched. Meanwhile, Denver's draft position improved another notch with the Bungles' drubbing of the Bears. It's on to Baltimore for the Broncos, who play their first East Coast game of the year on Sunday at 1pm ET.

PFW - Mile-high miracle in works?

DB - Catching Their Breath - Mike Rice

DPP - Broncos' Elvis Dumervil had model for success in Chiefs great Derrick Thomas - Lindsay Jones

DPP - Krieger: Broncos' piping-hot 6-0 start readjusts expectations

CSG - Broncos' Elvis isn't all shook up about pursuit of sack record - Frank Schwab

CSNP - NFL Notebook: Dawkins Key in Denver’s Success - Ray Didinger

Star-divide

DPP - Numbers: Broncos generally fare well after bye week

SPI - What's Right and Wrong this Season - Kevin Coe
"The Broncos record. How did this happen? It looked preseason like we'd be using the pick we got from Denver to pick high in next year's draft."

DP - Steelers stay hot with Broncos next - Jeff Legwold

DP - Steelers safety concerned about returning to Denver - Jeff Legwold

NFL Results

NFL - San Diego Chargers 37 at Kansas City Chiefs 7

NFL - New York Jets 38 at Oakland Raiders 0

NFL - Green Bay Packers 31 at Cleveland Browns 3

NFL - San Francisco 49ers 21 at Houston Texans 24

NFL - Indianapolis Colts 42 at St. Louis Rams 6

NFL - New England Patriots 35 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7

NFL - Minnesota Vikings 17 at Pittsburgh Steelers 27

NFL - Buffalo Bills 20 at Carolina Panthers 9

NFL - Chicago Bears 10 at Cincinnati Bengals 45

NFL - Atlanta Falcons 21 at Dallas Cowboys 37

NFL - New Orleans Saints 46 at Miami Dolphins 34

NFL - Arizona Cardinals 24 at New York Giants 17

Ravens News

BS - Breakdown of Ravens' remaining games - Jamison Hensley

BS - Before they were Ravens - Edward Lee

AFC West News

SDUT - Smilin' in the rain - Kevin Acee

SDUT - Bolts regain some grip, take big chunks off Chiefs - Nick Canepa

SDUT - Beating good team will be true test - Kevin Acee

SDUT - Offense needs work inside the 5-yard line - Tod Leonard

Y! - LJ's Twitter page rips Haley, uses homophobic slur - Charles Robinson
Stay classy, Larry. Stay classy.

KCS - Chiefs take a step back in loss to Chargers - Adam Teicher

KCS - Haley needs to change some things in order to survive - Jason Whitlock

KCS - Chiefs blunder as the Chargers thunder to a 37-7 victory at Arrowhead - Randy Covitz

KCS - Chiefs notes | Page a healthy scratch - Randy Covitz

SFC - JETS 38, RAIDERS 0 / Raiders own up to blame in shutout defeat / All except one: QB Russell accepts no fault in big rout - David White

SFC - Far too much for ailing team to fix at once - Scott Ostler

OT - Poole: Russell takes Raiders down path of destruction

OT - Russell shrugs off benching - Cam Inman

OT - Peterson: The seven deadly signs of Raiders resignation

NFL News

NFL - Jets' Washington out indefinitely after surgery to fix broken fibula

FH - Report: Vikings' Winfield Has Broken Foot, Out 4-6 Weeks - Bruce Ciskie

FH - Colts' Donald Brown, Bob Sanders (Surprise!) Hurt in St. Louis - Chris Burke

FH - Will Allen Reportedly Done for Season - Chris Burke

NFL - Texans WR Johnson injures chest during fourth quarter vs. 49ers

NFL - Rodgers-Cromartie out with ankle injury

NFL - Saints DT Ellis leaves game against Dolphins with sprained knee

FH - Bradford to Have Surgery, Enter Draft - Michael Smith

NFL Opinion

NFP - Sunday rewind: Week 7 - Matt Bowen

SI - Forgotten Smith could be 49ers' answer at quarterback - Don Banks
"With 11 touchdown passes and 10 interceptions through his first six games, it's getting tougher all the time to make the case that Jay Cutler has been a difference maker in Chicago. At the very least, he's no Kyle Orton."

UPDATE 10:43 ET SI - Pittsburgh's defense, Miles Austin's second big game, more - Peter King

SN - Week 7 Checkdown: AFC powers flex their muscles - Vinnie Iyer

USAT - Week 7 Bests, Worsts: Saints' historic comeback keeps dream season rolling - Sean Leahy

NYT - N.F.L. Week 7 in Quotations: What Losing Sounds Like - Andrew Das

ESPN - Last Call: Wrapping up Week 7 - John Clayton

CBS - Week 7 Judgements: Cardinals fly right away from their coop - Clark Judge

Y! - Fans, Quinn lose as Browns stick with Anderson - Charles Robinson

USAT - Powered by 'fluke accident,' Steelers rein in Favre, Vikings - Jarrett Bell

FOX - Steelers defense shows their Super side - Alex Marvez

CBS - Favre meltdown vs. Steelers a fluke or sign of things to come? - Pete Prisco

NFL - While hype surrounded QBs, it was defense that ruled in Pittsburgh - Vic Carucci

SN - Bengals, a joke no more, now amongst NFL's best - Dennis Dillon

NFL - Renewed emphasis in running game makes Bengals hard to stop - Bucky Brooks

SN - Romo magic turns critics into fans -- for a day - Clifton Brown

FH - Confident Cowboys Deliver Billion-Dollar Performance Against Atlanta - Thomas George

NFL - Unheralded Austin is the impetus behind Cowboys' resurgence - Steve Wyche

FH - Patriots Put on a Show in England - David Whitley

FH - Cardinals Flip Script on Giants - Dan Graziano

FOX - Sunday Scoopage: Light goes on for Peppers - Jay Glazer

PFW - NFL's oldest, youngest making early impact - Mike Wilkening

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Good Morning nyc, Thank You for all you do on Horse Tracks...

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 26, 2009 6:41 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks nyc!

Noting the first article above. Apparently, PFW isn’t aware of MHR:

“I did not hear anyone sticking up for them when (McDaniels) was getting baptized….they were going to be one-and-done…That’s where the fans and the general public thought they were.”

Um, no, not fans here. But thanks for the words. (n fairness, those were not quotes of the writer himself, but he editorializes down below.) There is this, after all:
“Kyle Orton is a better leader (than Jay Cutler),” one team insider said of Orton, who has a career 18-2 record in home games and has rung up a mind-numbing 142.1 passer rating with a 9-1 TD-interception ratio in the fourth quarters of games so far this season. “He is more mature and smarter. Obviously, Jay was a better athlete.”

We buy that. I’m just curious where that 4th quarter interception came from? Guess he couldn’t have used the word “ratio” if the int count were accurate. Ah, finally, don’t forget, kool-aid drinkers:
But nobody would consider it an incredible development should the wheels suddenly fall off in Denver….

Ah, well, back to earth. Hey, I would consider it an “incredible development”, because the demonstrated coaching and veteran leadership (there’s that word again) won’t let that happen. So, I am expecting Doom and the rest to keep their heads on straight as the accolades rise. Let ‘em pay attention only to what goes on inside the walls at Dove Valley (and occasionally here at MHR), and know that 6-0 still won’t buy you a playoff win. I was an 11-5 guy before the season (with an 8-8 floor), but 13-3 looks to be selling them a little short.

Good week everyone!

by MakeCents on Oct 26, 2009 7:55 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The best part of that article

and it is still crazy looking at it:

“The biggest key is that they have only given up 10 points in the second half (as well as only 2-of-35 third-down conversions after halftime) this season,”

2 for 35 is just plain awesome.

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by weazel on Oct 26, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listening to the media talk about football makes my brain hurt

The Jets club the Raiders, and now are obviously for real, despite a 3-game losing street, a shaky rookie quarterback who leads the league in INTs, and last week’s up-chuck vs. the Bills.

The Chargers pasted the Chiefs, so are clearly in the thick of things again. I mean, the Chiefs are now 3-29 in their last 32 (or something like that), so you know that beating them means something.

It’s shocking that the Bengals D plastered the Bears’ offense, since we know the Bears are a physical team that plays smash-mouth football. Egad. The things people say about my hometown team sound like they’ve been pulled out of a time capsule. Since win does a team whose prize running back averages 3.8 Yards Per Carry get to call itself “physical”? Oh, and especially when its new Punky QB is always under assault? No matter how inefficient that team is in the running game, people still confuse them for the 1950s version. It’s just weird.

Peter King some some football games this weekend. They were good, and the teams who played better, won. He’s sick of taking the Chargers’ temperature, which is why he’s going to write on and on about how maybe they’ve turned over a new leaf on the way to turning a corner. For like a half a page. All this before we get to learn what he thought about NCIS last week.

When do the Broncos play again?

by Chibronx on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

3.8 YPC = physcial?

You have to call it “physical”, because its obviously not “good” ;-)

by cjfarls on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same with the Giants

it takes two losses to quality teams before people start to look at who they beat

by BigskyBronco on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Peter King

I did find these stats from PK very interesting and telling especially comparing yards per attempt

7. I think it’s incredible that we’re almost halfway into this season and Kyle Orton is ahead of Jay Cutler in almost all ways. Count them:

a. Wins: Orton’s 6-0, Cutler 3-3.

b. Passing yards: Orton’s 264 ahead.

c. Touchdown-to-interception differential: Orton’s plus-8, Cutler plus-3.

d. Yards-per-attempt: Orton’s .57 better, a full half a yard against the guy who’s supposed to have the biggest arm in the league.

e. Passer rating: Orton 100.1, Cutler 86.9.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 26, 2009 8:10 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

Is it wrong for me to cheer for Cutler to not do well in games. I mean I wish the guy the best in life, but I can’t help but be happy when he throws interceptions. Is that wrong? I feel kind of guilty about rooting for someone to not do well, but then I think, hey, he chose this! Call your boss.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 26, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, It's not wrong

You are a Bronco fan. You don’t want his team to do well because it affects the Broncos draft spot next year. You can feel happy when he throws picks because he is just being himself and living up to the expectations of reality. At least he’s consistent.
Thanks Doug.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 26, 2009 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alternately, the Broncos mean something to you. Cutler, and the supposed fact that he was going to make the Bears instant contenders, was used to mock the heck out of something you adore. Of course you want him to fail — it’s the most efficient way to silence folks who bag on our team.

 Not noble or high-minded, exactly, but since when was fandom supposed to work that way?

by Chibronx on Oct 26, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not.

I was downright giddy when he threw that third pick. I thought maybe he was learning how to protect the ball in Chicago, and I was afraid of that, because it would mean more victories for Chicago. After yesterdays appearance, though, it seems he is not.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 26, 2009 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Cuz the worse he and that team does, the better our draft pick in 2010. As a Broncos fan, how could you NOT cheer for the Bears to suck this year?

As I’m watching the game yesterday and the Bears are down 21 or whatever in the 4th, I turned to my buddy and said “cutler’s gonna throw at least one more pick because now he’ll really be forcing it”. 2 downs later, there’s the pick.

Sometimes, it’s just too easy. ;)

by AllBroncsallday on Oct 26, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, King got his numbers wrong. Cutler is only plus-1 with 11 TDs and 10 INTs after yesterday’s game.

I added PK’s MMQB since it was posted late today…

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by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 26, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does he have any fumbles?

Just wondering.

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by powderaddict on Oct 26, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 so far

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 26, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how does that give him a 86.9 passer rating?

10 INT’s in 6 games on pace to throw nearly 28 for the year? I don’t get the rate.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 26, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take a normal QB rating, then add 25

for the cannon arm.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

by Joe Medina on Oct 26, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha.

Surely you mean ‘laser, rocket, bazooka’ arm

Cannons are old school.

by dr.mort on Oct 26, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be Careful What You Wish For, Punk QB

One of the great things about the fast start to this season is that we can all bury our fixations from the offseason. I’ve publicly suggested that nobody here should bother to mention that guy Whatshisface who played Mike last year, the one who liked to overpursue and cheer. Let’s not go there. He’s gone, we’re a better team, case closed. Let’s excise the painful memories.

Well, if you, like me, still enjoy seeing a certain Punk QB get what’s coming to him, it’s time to move on. It’s time for all of us to move on. That guy is in a terrible football situation

Quarterback may now be the only position on the field at which the Bears will not need an upgrade in the short term. Their offensive line gets pushed around. The receivers run poor routes. Garrett Wolfe looks horrible spelling Matt Forte, and Matt Forte isn’t looking too hot. (Greg Olsen and Des Clark are OK, I guess).

The team has a terrible secondary. They came into this year relying on an injury-prone defensive tackle and a linebacker on the wrong side of 30. Even with all of the horses in place, the Cover-2 is losing effectiveness.

When I look at the aging, ineffective and injured personnel on the bears, I can’t help but feel like things will get worse next year. If I were drafting for the Bears next year — and it looks like their first pick will be around the 80th overall — I’d have so many needs, it would be impossible to prioritize them.

Chicago wants to be a football town, but the McCaskey family really doesn’t give the people a chance. I’ll continue to be vested in the scenario because I want my friends to have something to root for besides perennial loser baseball teams. But this team is in trouble, and those of us who harbor grudges against the Punk QB need to let it rest — the guy is in for a lousy NFL experience.

by Chibronx on Oct 26, 2009 8:38 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

There's always the Bulls :-D

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 26, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey.

dont forget them ’Hawks.

"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.

by denver_diaspora on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. Now that Dollar Bill Wirtz is gone, the list of terrible owners in Chicago is slighly smaller.

by Chibronx on Oct 26, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll let it rest

maybe after a full season of seeing the guy run for his life, get hit over and over behind a poor offensive line, and then throw multiple picks in the red zone to give games away.

Maybe… I’m not promising anything. 8-)

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
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by BroncTastic on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guy dogged the Broncos

It’s just a shame he doesn’t get to face DOOM 16 games a year. That would be some kind of justice.

He “ya knowed” his way through interviews that looked like bare-faced lies. Insulted the fan base.

Very little sympathy.

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by orange&blue_aussie on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

some stats from the Chicago Tribune

Numbers Games
How does Cutler stack up with other NFL quarterbacks?

He ranks 16th in passer rating
16th in passing yards
15th in completion percentage
18th in average per completion
8th in touchdown passes
22nd in touchdown-to-interception ratio
11th in fourth-quarter passer rating
9th in passer rating against the blitz
36th in red-zone passing
 
4th in average salary.

by Jenna Talia on Oct 26, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

incredible.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

by Joe Medina on Oct 26, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice find, Jenna!

Doesn’t look like the Bears are getting much in the way of value from JC…

I’d love to see the same sort of breakdown for KO.

- Jason

Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI

by jubei on Oct 26, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

36th in RZ passing out of 32 teams...WOW!. Even the back-ups are beating him!

And this is the same thing we dealt with last year, put up incredible stats and fizzle out in the red-zone.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 26, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some decent numbers

esp. salary, but 36th in red-zone passing? That means some if the guys ranked ahead of him aren’t even starters.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recommended post Chibronx.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 26, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice comments here Chibronx,

but I can’t wait for the coming Chicago implosion. It’s bad right now, but if they lose to Cleveland at home this week… oh boy. I couldn’t be happier about this whole situation.

As it would turn out, the Bears have a huge following in MT among people my age. This following must flow from the lack of local team and the 1985 Bears being so popular at a time when the kids my age began to like football. Anyway, I took so much BS from Bear and Bronco fans alike this summer, and I always stuck to my argument—that the Bears are going to struggle to be .500 and the Broncos will be a very good team and compete for the playoffs. The argument details were as follows (none of which will be new to you guys):

*The Bears lack talent in a lot of key areas, especially OL, WR, and the secondary (as you said).
*The Bears have zero depth at RB, and if Forte struggles or gets hurt, they will have a tough time winning games.
*Cutler isn’t a QB that can carry a team on his back and win games solely based on his performance. He’s a nice player, but he’s not that guy. He’ll come up big in some spots, but blow it just as often.

*The Broncos were a pretty good team in 2008, and in 2009, are more talented team at every position, with the exception of QB.
*Although Orton may not be as talented as Jay, McDanials should be able to coach him up, and with all the talent on offense, he should be more than serviceable.
*The coaching upgrade on defense alone was going to take this team up a level (from terrible to bad, at the very least)
*My main concern was with the defensive front seven. I wasn’t one of those that thought we didn’t do enough to address it, I just wasn’t sure how DOOM would be @ OLB, how Peterson and McBean would be @ 5-Tech DEs, etc… I was pretty sure anything could be better than 2008, however. My closing argument was always: if the front seven can play ball and compete at the line of scrimmage, this is a playoff team.

Of course, everyone thought I was nuts. ZOMG Cutler will make those receivers better! Cutler made Denver’s mediocre receivers and o-line look good, and on and on. Again this was coming from everyone, Bears fans, Bronco’s fans— everyone. Now I see these guys and it’s sweet vindication baby. I just ran into a long time friend and business associate that I haven’t seen in a while this morning. I had accosted him late one summer evening at a local watering hole about this stuff and he said “I can’t believe how right you were about the whole Cutler/Broncos situation”. Ahh… it feels so great.

I give all the credit to reading MHR. In the spring and summer, those perpetuating these ideas about the Broncos were called kool-aide drinkers, etc. I’m glad I was drinking it, because instead of two cups of sugar, this kool-aide contained two heaping cups of truth.

by ButteBronco on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

*The Broncos were a pretty good team in 2008, and in 2009, are more talented team at every position, with the exception of QB.

As it turns out, you didn’t need that qualifier. The Broncos are more talented at EVERY position, including QB.

"Horton is win." -Horvil Tiki 4/13/2009
Jedi McD is my hero.

by jack_ on Oct 27, 2009 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox champs more recently than the Yankees!

Or the Patriots for that matter! Yes, they’ve been mediocre since, but don’t go comparing Sox fans with Cubs fans – we’ve got our World Series win in our lifetimes, and you cant take that away!! :-)

by jakester on Oct 26, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno, Jake. They have one Series win in 86 years, and Reinsdorf has successfully defined the Southsiders as a “small market” team.

I’d never compare Sox fans to Cubs fans. Sox fans often stay sober during the game, and if you ask them who won on the train ride home, they know the answer.

by Chibronx on Oct 26, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But,

I heard they were SB contenders?

by BigskyBronco on Oct 26, 2009 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should start a pool as to what team Cutler will be on in 2 years.

by DickVMI on Oct 26, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

He will be backing up Kyle Orton

Just kidding. I didn’t mean to insult Chris Simms like that. Chris if your reading this I am deeply deeply sorry. However, I am still upset with your father for 22-25.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see the headlines now:

Bears trade Cutler, two first-round picks, and a third-round pick to Denver for Chris Simms.

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by papigrande on Oct 26, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Doug.

"Take a picture at night."

by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 26, 2009 2:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs


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