Broncos bring in Mitch Berger to solve punting woes
The Broncos finally made a roster move - two really, if you count Mitch Berger's signing and the release of Brett Kern as separate moves. Strange, really. By this time last season, by my unofficial count, the Broncos had made 13 roster moves. Stability is hard to find in the NFL - though it is part of the recipe for success.
It's hard to find fault with a team that is 6-0, at least to the ill-informed eye. For many of us, both on this site and on MHR Radio, we've been discussing the concerns in the punting game. After the Broncos beat the Bengals in Week 1, the team spent the off day working out punters. I wrote that Kern's ineffectiveness was costing the Broncos - at times 10 yards per punt - compared to some of the better punters in the NFL. That's a first down each change of possession - when you have a defense playing the way Denver's is right now, well, that's a HUGE deal.
Then came the Monday Night game in San Diego. Kern struggled again, and I'm not just talking about the line-drive punt to Darren Sproles that was promptly deposited in the Broncos End Zone. There were two other punts that actually infuriated me, and likely the Broncos coaches, more.
The game was close throughout and field position was huge for both teams. The Broncos, on two different occasions, saw possessions stall around the Chargers' 40-yard line. I call that "Plus" field position. While it stinks the Broncos fell short of a scoring opportunity, flipping field position can be huge, especially with the Broncos D. Both times, Kern was unable to force a fair catch inside the 20. Sure, I would love the ball to be downed at the 1-yard line, but acceptable would be a towering kick that Sproles is forced to Fair Catch around the 10. Again, the difference between a touchback (placed at the 20) and a fair catch is 10 yards, or one first down.
Kern may have the leg, but what he (and the Broncos) need is touch. After 6 weeks, the Broncos finally had enough and handed the punting duties to Mitch Berger, most recently of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
While punting stats are hard to quantify, let me give you one that opened my eyes. I'll call it the "Punting Success Ratio" and, well, I just made it up. It is the ratio of Balls Downed Inside the 20-yard line/Touchbacks. Sure, there are factors that effect the ratio, and it isn't perfect, but I think it is a guide.
| IN 20 | TB | Ratio | |
| BERGER | 252 | 76 | 3.32/1 |
| KERN | 22 | 10 | 2.2/1 |
Perfect? No, but it does show that Berger is better, at least on paper, in placing the ball inside the 20. Another telling stat - Kern has punted the ball 73 times in his career and has seen 2 of them returned for Touchdowns. Berger has 796 career punts - only 5 have been returned for scores.
It might seem like the Broncos cut the cord too quickly with a young player like Kern. Truth is, when you have a season shaping up the way the Broncos do - with what could possibly be Championship aspirations, a return like the one we saw Monday, or poorly placed punts like we've seen this season, could be the difference in a playoff game.
In other words, the Broncos can't be too careful - nor waste any more time.
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Actually, the way you have it formulated, the lower ratio is better.
That is, fewer touchbacks and more inside the 20 is what you’re looking for. I think what they’re looking for with Berger is better hang time and more consistency.
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by John Bena on Oct 26, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much better!
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by db8632 on Oct 26, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
to help the coverage team out.
Good pickup.
by precisiontint on Oct 26, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Any word on who will be the holder for Prater now?
This could be a big factor….I wonder if it will be Simms or Berger.
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by alacumba!! on Oct 26, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
on his wiki it says Berger is one of the best holders ever [or something along those lines]
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 26, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps jake the snake would come back to hold for us...
I remember Elam insisting that Plummer hold for him.
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by TD4HOF on Oct 26, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Denver Post
“Berger will become Prater’s new holder.”
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by jack_ on Oct 26, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
additional Berger stats
He has a 43.0 career punting average, ranking fifth in the NFL since 1999 in gross (43.4) and net (36.6) averages
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 26, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like an upgrade.
Hopefully we can pick up some young talent to nurture soon. Problem with punters is that they don’t get to develop behind veterans. I’ve never heard of a team carrying more than one at a time.
by BroncosBassist on Oct 26, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kern’s for comparison:
2008: Avg: 46.7, net: 37.8
2009: Avg: 46.1 net: 34.5
In the SD game, Kern averaged 44.8 with a net of 15.5
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 26, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all saw this coming
I feel bad for Kern, but he wasn’t getting it done. Makes me wonder what was so bad about Colquitt that they picked Kern over him. Dude also has a leg, but his touch might be worse.
Looks like we might see a UDFA punter or three in the next off-season.
by BroncosBassist on Oct 26, 2009 12:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
release time
Don’t count on my memory or interpretation of the rules — but one aspect of punting is the time it takes to get off a kick. I believe the only area where Colquitt was inferior to Kern was in the time it took him to get the punt off.
A slow punt increases the likelihood of a block.
There are also timing issues related to release time (which is the term used for how long blockers need to maintain their block before releasing and heading downfield into punt return coverage). Again, don’t rely on my interpretation but — releasing too soon can draw a penalty for being downfield ineligibly. I guess it parallels a normal play in which only so many players can legitimately be downfield, which is still true and also pertinent in this case to fake punts. My understanding is that most of blockers are required to stay and block until the ball is punted. They can then release. Coordination (or timing the release) is an issue, but a delayed release also hurts the coverage team’s ability to cover effectively.
Therefore, it’s better to have a punter who sets up and punts quickly. Hang time should still be long — ideally — but it’s a separate issue. Kern’s release time was adequate but he often produced line drives (and short hang time), which can be the result of overemphasizing a quick punt to the point of producing a poor one. There are punters who have terrific legs but require an unfortunately long time to get their punt off. Kern seems to have abbreviated his setup in order to produce a quick punt, but it hurt his form.
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good insight, Colinski
I had the same first thought as Bassist. I remember being surprised they kept Kern because I thought Colquitt placed the ball better. He was an old-school, coffin-corner punter.
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by pubkeeper on Oct 26, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Colquitt
The only roster decision that I disagreed with was cutting Colquitt, but the character red flag (three alcohol convictions) on him made it an understandable decision, if that was why.
The only on-the-field issue I could recall was something related to slow release, and I’m not even sure my memory is correct. However, a slow ‘snap to punt’ time is common. And it’s hard to get information on this attribute since there are only a few places where you’ll even find it mentioned, but it is important.
Colquitt excelled in most aspects of punting (Kern often matched him, too) but his ability to punt directionally and"kill" the ball (think of backspin on a golfer’s pitch to the green that stops the ball) was remarkable. It’s important to understand that punters can often do remarkable things when there’s no one rushing them. And added tenths of a second on release time dramatically increase the likelihood of a block as well as hampering the coverage team. The distance the punt travels in the air is small consideration among many. High punts that are quickly released are better, but numbers often don’t reveal this. As is often true, the presence of statistics creates confusion rather than understanding.
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Broncos spend a draft pick on a punting prospect.
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by jack_ on Oct 26, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
temporary solution
but a pretty decent temporary solution…
by AOB (Agent Orange & Blue) on Oct 26, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
kick in the teeth
An experienced kicker ought to be able to put the ball wherever the coach tells him to put it. So many questions arise. What were the Broncos practicing all off-season and pre-season in punting if not hang-time and placement? Also, why is Berger available? What happened to Colquitt? Why did the Broncos suffer a penalty on ST because a player was lined up in the neutral zone? Wasn’t the ST coach on the sidelines looking down the line of scrimmage? I understand shanking a punt. It happens. But the reported tendency of Kern to kick long, but low line drives is a coaching issue. I like a lot of what Sunny McD has done, but I am not sold on ST yet. I agree that the touchbacks are just as big an issue as the TD return.
by opinion8r on Oct 26, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
These are all solid points opinion8r
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by firstfan on Oct 26, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dual Threat
One thing that Berger provides is versatility. If, heaven forbid Prater should go down with an injury. Berger does have the ability to kick extra points and shorter field goals. I think Britton Colquitt could do the same and I still think he punted better in the preaseason so I wouldn’t be surprised if after this year Colquitt gets another shot. Priefer coached his brother Dustin at KC so you never know.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 26, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish Kern the best, especially with that new baby of his....
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 26, 2009 1:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, glad he was a Bronco, but it was time for a change
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Oct 27, 2009 1:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly we are seeing the beginnning of the end for the Denver Broncos
I feel a John Claytona article coming about how signing Berger is a panic move by McDaniels and a sign of the sure fire turmoil that is hanging around the Broncos. And he’ll ask why sign a veteran like Mitch Berger? Clearly Josh McDaniels doesn’t know how to build a football team. The releasing of Brett Kern will be a bigger mistake then Jay Cutler. Sure their 6-0 but who have they played, and the schedule gets much tougher from here. They could go 6-10 this season.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 26, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
funny guy
I’ve also been asking why Berger, not that I don’t think he is good, but if he is so good, why is he available? Of course, he did play for Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh is coming up in a couple weeks. Sure, maybe its just his experience especially in the playoffs. But I’m not gonna second guess Sunny McD.
by opinion8r on Oct 26, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I like it! Well said, RMT
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by Emmett Smith on Oct 26, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats it......I am over this stupid team....
How could you let a future Pro Bowl punter like Brett Kern go???? Idiots!!!
I just bought a Brett Kern jersey…..
Look, only joking, but shows Jedi’s attention to detail and the teams wnat to be solid top to bottom. I like Kern and hope he gets a shot somewhere.
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by boydy2669 on Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You should be forced to watch all the remaining St. Louis Rams games from last year if you bought a Brett Kern jersey
Just sayin’
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by LACK on Oct 26, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to see Kern finally go.
I don’t put much stock in the stats Football Outsiders come up with, but for what it’s worth, they rate the Broncos as the worst punting team in football. The only team even close is Carolina.
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by jack_ on Oct 26, 2009 2:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Berger
Yet another alum and classmate (although no classes together).
One thing that intrigues me is Berger’s ability to kick off, which ranked with Prater’s until his latest decrease. I don’t know if Berger still has the power to drive kickoffs into the endzone, which he did when he was a Viking in the 90s, but it’s a nice attribute to possess given Prater’s latest problems.
Berger has always showed good hang time, from what I can recall. A quick look at his career statistics shows some exceptional years, although we don’t know if he retains that level of ability. He was released by the Steelers last year after chronic hamstring problems, which presumably made him unavailable at times (or else hurt his ability to perform).
Just an aside — official NFL statistics show Kern’s problem (one of them), but it requires careful reading. One statistic is the average net yards of a punt (without return), and we ranked among the leaders. Going to the column farther to the right is the statistic for average punt with return yardage subtracted — and we rank among the worst. In other words, our punts travel farther than most team’s but the change in field position is less than that of most teams’ punts.
Pardon the awkward phrasing but the gist of the situation is that long punts are yielding long returns. This could be a coverage issue but we know that Kern’s line drive punts were often reaching the KR sooner, which led to the short average net. Kern was actually lucky on some of his longest punts, since the ball was hard to receive and traveled farther once it landed on the ground. The only important statistic is the net yardage yielded (including return). Poor coverage contributes to this, in some cases, but a significantly poor hang time points to poor punting. Moreover, punters shouldn’t “outkick their coverage.” Consistently long punts that expose or create coverage problems aren’t good. And the return yardage yielded invariably skies when punters’ hang time is disproportionately low compared to the their distance traveled. Perhaps we’d understand this issue better if height was recorded along with length (traveled w/o return) and the ratio of the two was also recorded.
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 3:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
At 6' - 4" and 228
He’s big enough to handle tackling duties too. If I recall, he has a few ST highlight tackles.
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 26, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kern Was Good...
but anytime you can enhance your team, strike while the iron’s hot. No, once again, McDaniels is a genius because he knows the vast importance of special teams. I’ve finally prevailed upon the high school coach in my community to believe in this and I’m training my cousin to be a kicker. He almost made a 55-yard field goal in a freshmen football game last week so perhaps I’m grooming the next Jason Elam. He loves the Broncos as well, so it’s perfect!
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by the Bradfather on Oct 26, 2009 4:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
How about a statistic that measures the ratio of gross to net punt average? That seems like it would be useful.
by Orange Rush on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
well put
I’ve struggled with the terminology, and the NFL site’s choice of terms isn’t helpful.
“Gross” versus “net” is what I’ll use in the future.
A segue — Larsen is back! He’s a standout on STs.
The Broncos also said linebacker/fullback Spencer Larsen is expected to return to practice this week after injuring his shoulder in a fall in the locker room at Cincinnati before the season opener.
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
this may have the added effect
of freeing up Hillis for a keyplay or two. McD said they would be doing some stuff differently, that they hadn’t done before…so maybe putting Hillis ina a position to catch passes is one of those things.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, my feeling is
I’m pretty certain that we’re going to be seeing a continuing evolution of our offense. And that should mean that unused capacities, such as Hillis & Larsen, will be used in ways that other teams haven’t seen yet and won’t have gameplanned against. The doghouse explanation only goes so far. McDaniels isn’t shy about sitting a player after a mistake but he isn’t a hothead. The guiding principle behind his thinking is winning, so Hillis can’t stay in the doghouse much longer — I predict.
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not surprised by the move but I rather they look at
Prater a little harder, his kickoffs are poor at best, for a guy who is supposed to have a good leg and gets to kick at altitude alot. Why he doesn’t kick them out of the end zone every time in Mile High is sad.
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by Broncoman on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Prater
He’s not bad now but it looks like his old problems are revisiting him.
It’s important to recall that Elam went years without showing length on kickoffs, but his accuracy saved his job. Prater’s accuracy is slightly below standards but his range on field goals is above standards. It’s his length on kickoffs that adds to his value. He’s not that valuable without outstanding kickoff ability. A better kicker may not be available right now but it’s a good reason to keep looking, with a mind towards improving in that area.
BTW — as I said above, a ST ace is returning this week (Larsen). Part of the disparity between gross and net can still be coming from our coverage ability. I don’t think we should focus on the punter solely.
Also, Prater’s KOs are staying airborne too long, IMO. That’s a good thing for punters but not for kickers — although KO hangtime isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Getting the ball up is important in order to avoid blocks on field goals but it’s not important for KOs, and it’s more of a negative if it results in sacrificing distance, IMO. Unlike the situation with punters, I believe we want line-drive KOs. The best KO return is no return, and the sooner we know that the return is off, the better. Long, deep KOs force a decision sooner and led to less injuries on our STs, and STs have the highest incidence rate of injuries.
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was short on a 54 yarder in san diego and his kickoffs considtantly went to the 10 yard line...............Just sayin
by Calibroncoboy on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard Guru say it was short but it really wasnt:
It was just to the right of the goalpost:

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by BroncosNL on Oct 27, 2009 2:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm. wheres the evidence...............
LOL jk, yah it wasnt short but he still missed it and it wooda been short had he been a few more yards out. we’ll see how it goes.
by Calibroncoboy on Oct 27, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone Doesn't Read TMQ (Gregg Easterbrook)
The game was close throughout and field position was huge for both teams. The Broncos, on two different occasions, saw possessions stall around the Chargers’ 40-yard line. I call that “Plus” field position. While it stinks the Broncos fell short of a scoring opportunity, flipping field position can be huge, especially with the Broncos D. Both times, Kern was unable to force a fair catch inside the 20. Sure, I would love the ball to be downed at the 1-yard line, but acceptable would be a towering kick that Sproles is forced to Fair Catch around the 10. Again, the difference between a touchback (placed at the 20) and a fair catch is 10 yards, or one first down.
Any time you punt on your opponent’s side of the field you deserve to lose ;p.
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by Drizzt396 on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not drag out the old Elway "Pooch" punt
suely one of the Rb’s or orton could punt from the WildHorse formation.
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by firstfan on Oct 26, 2009 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kern
I really like your articles John.The poor net yards bothered me especially the touchbacks.We should be able to use field position as a weapon having teams trying to move the ball from lousy position.The one other thing I wanted was Larsen back and he is at least practicing.The points line is out Balt is favorite by 3 points I always bet the money line when my team is the underdog so I will again.go Broncos!
by Broncomaniac765 on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ho-Hum
I wish there were more interesting stories on this site like QB controversies, players tweeting about their coaches, coordinators getting demoted, HC’s avoiding prison time, all we get is punter talk. I guess the Bronco’s just play football these days.
Go Broncos anyways!
by BigskyBronco on Oct 26, 2009 7:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Guru, glad you are finally becoming a "stats" guy, enough so that you are creating some of your own!!
I like it!
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by TJ Johnson on Oct 26, 2009 8:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Coming from a steelers fan...
I haven’t seen enough of Kern to appreciate how bad he was doing, but I would be wary of Berger. We had some other special teams issues while he was with us, but his lack of consistancy should be a concern. I don’t think you will find too many fans on our side that were sad to see him go.
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by kick him in the head on Oct 26, 2009 8:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hamstring problems
He’s fine when he’s at his best and not when he isn’t — he often wasn’t during his year there.
I don’t see us putting all our eggs in a Berger basket, but the real question is how’s his health now? They didn’t sign him without seeing him punt first and giving him a thorough medical examination. A year off could have done wonders, and kicker/punters can often sustain a sufficiently high level of performance well past the age that other players can’t — see George Blanda.
Steelers release punter, sign new one
Wednesday, November 05, 2008
By Gerry Dulac and Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The Steelers released veteran punter Mitch Berger, who has been bothered by hamstring injuries in both legs, and re-signed Paul Ernster today.
Ernster, a fourth-year free agent, was with the team in training camp, but released on Aug. 30 when the Steelers decided to keep Berger as a replacement for injured Daniel Sepulveda.
Berger averaged 41.9 yards in eight games this season, but he had punts of 27, 32 and 35 yards against the Washington Redskins.
“We feel at this point he gives us the best option in that regard,” coach Mike Tomlin said of the moves.
First published on November 5, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08310/925580-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml#ixzz0V6k06BGc
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by Colinski on Oct 26, 2009 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t even need him cause we are going to score on every offensive possession !! RIGHT GUYS!! 
by milehighhitter505 on Oct 26, 2009 11:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good news for Pittsburgh
As a Steelers fan, I’m thrilled you guys signed Berger. You are going to be calling for Bucky Dilts soon.
Berger was the weakest link on last year’s team. I still remember the play where he actually hit the ground with his foot before he hit the ball. Berger was acknowledged as scrappy, but he was not a good kicker. I will be surprised if he is on the roster at the end of the year.
by upabob on Oct 27, 2009 2:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why doesn't Orton get any props?
It is really discouraging to me that the national analysts and a number of chat room groupies keep discounting what Kyle Orton brings to the table. He is smart, accurate, a leader, has a low number of int’s, can read a defense, cool and calm in the pocket and out of it. The guy may not have the stats of a Tom Brady or Payton Manning, but com ‘on he has the most importatant stat of all in my mind…he wins alot of games. Kyle can throw the long ball. Look up his Purdue days! Just because he hasn’t done it in Denver does not mean he can’t. He is 6-0 away from Chicago. Until he loses he should get his props…we’ll have plenty of time to talk about what’s wrong with him after a loss.
by bmarshfan on Oct 28, 2009 9:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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