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The trades that made the team.

I know that some people are going to look at the title and think, I'm rehashing that Cutler trade again, but this is not the case.  I was watching the Redskins last night with Clinton Portis and remembered what an important trade partner that they were for us.  If you look at this recent history of trades for the Broncos I doubt that any team has traded more draft picks/players with us that the 'skins.   It goes to show you the fine line between being aggressive with your picks and being smart.

Star-divide

2004 :  The most important trade is probably the one that everyone remembers best.  Back in 2004 when the Broncos had tried overpaying any and every free-agent cornerback on the market to shore up their woeful secondary, the 'Skins were desperate for an impact running back to fit with the system that Joe Gibbs was trying to implement.  Gibbs had been an extremely successful coach and as most of us remember how he torched us with an unknown running back in the Superbowl (Timmy Smith).  My guess is that he wanted to re-introduce the Hogs back into the NFL and needed a top-flight running back to do so.  Shannahan had had enough of Portis's antics and was willing to trade away a running back who had topped 1,500 yds rushing in each of his first 2 years and had just come off a Probowl season (Who would ever trade away a Probowl player???)  Both players wanted new contracts and it seemed like there was a match made in heaven.  Not only did the Broncos get Bailey, we got a 2nd round draft pick that became Tatum Bell.   All Bailey has done is gone on to be a "shutdown" corner year in and year out with the exception of 2007 where still he made the Probowl despite injuries.  He is a complete corner who covers & tackles.  Tony Romo learned that the hard way at the end of this year's game week 4.  Portis has gone on to be a good/ maybe great player but not the difference maker that Gibbs envisioned.  Bell... well, I hear he is the man to see if you need a cell phone.

 

2005:  The Broncos were comfortable with Jake Plummer at quarterback, but the 'Skins wanted to try new blood.  Available at the 25th pick was Jason Campbell out of Auburn.  He was known as a quarterback with the physical tools, but maybe a little raw.  The 'Skins thought they could develop him and so they called on their favorite trading partner.  The Broncos traded the 2005 25th pick for the 'Skins 2006 1st and 4th round draft picks and a 2005 3rd round pick.  More on the Broncos picks in the 2006 section, but anyone who watched last nights Philly/ 'Skins game has seen the final product where Campbell is concerned.  When we had the opportunity to acquire him this year instead of Orton, McDaniels rebuffed the high draft picks for the better quarterback.  Nice choice, Josh.  The 2005 3rd round pick became Karl Paymah.

 

2006:  In August of 2006, the Broncos no longer wanted Ashlie Lelie, the Falcons TJ Ducket and apparently draft picks burn holes on the pockets of the Redskins.  The Broncos sent Lelie to the Falcons, Duckett went to the 'Skins and we got a 2007 3rd round draft pick.  Oh yeah... there were the 1st,  & 4th rounders that the Broncos had gotten for the 2006 draft earlier that year.  It gets a little confusing and I hope I have it right. Because of the extra first round draft pick,the Broncos traded their #22 overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for second and third-round picks (# 68 ). They used the 29th pick (Broncos)  & their 3rd rounder to trade up for the with the Falcons so for the 15th pick (In the John Abhraham trade with the Jets). They then parlayed the 15th pick with the 68th pick to move up and take Jay Cutler with the 11th pick.  I'll leave Jay alone, but his trade away from us will be felt in the years to come as a positive in terms of the influx of talent that we received.      The Skin's 4th rounder became a little known wide reciever named Brandon Marshall who has be instrumental in mutiple wins this year.

2007:  The 'Skins 2007 3rd round draft pick became Ryan Harris.  Not a popular pick at the time, but right now looks like a cornerstone at right tackle which has helped soldify the best line in football.

In Short (somehwat simplified I know):

We Get:

Champ Bailey

(Through Culter)- Orton

                                 Ayers

                                 A. Smith

                                 Part of Quinn

Brandon Marshall

Ryan Harris

 

 

 

We Give up:           Portis

                                 Cutler

                                 Jason Campbell

                                Ashley Lelie

 

I'd really like to thank the Redskins for their help.  I doubt if any one team has given us so much for so little.  If we win this year, maybe we should send them a championship ring.

 

GO BRONCOS!!!!!

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LOL!

Last line is a keeper!

rec’d…

by Ace O'Dale on Oct 27, 2009 1:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'ed too.

But to clarify we gave up our 2010 draft pick not for Alphonso Smith and not the Bears.

by CombatChuk on Oct 27, 2009 1:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes. We still have a HIGH 1st round pick in 2010 baby!

Yeehaw!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARGH

I can’t BELIEVE McDaniels traded our pick away instead of the Bears! We’re going like, 2-14 this year!!! He’s so McDoofus!!!!! I just burned my Elway Jersey. While I was wearing it!!!

P.S. I’ve been in a coma for three months, did I miss anything?

by 3RingsHeProbablyKnowsSomething on Oct 27, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Only greatness.

Seahawk fans are also dorks. I hope they get pick #32 this year. HA HA!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

3rings, that was awesome. Gave me a much needed daily chuckle....

Blues. Cardinals. Broncos. Rockies (when not playing St. Louis!).
Drinkin' the orange kool-aid since the day McDaniels was hired.
Go DU hockey! Go Mammoth!

by HockeyHippie on Oct 27, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm telling you we'll get the #10 pick and draft Taylor Mays

Dawkins will show him the ropes, and it’ll be INSANE

by CombatChuk on Oct 27, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be sooooooooooo happy with that choice!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed....I am a USC fan and that kid is the REAL deal!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would love that one too

Blues. Cardinals. Broncos. Rockies (when not playing St. Louis!).
Drinkin' the orange kool-aid since the day McDaniels was hired.
Go DU hockey! Go Mammoth!

by HockeyHippie on Oct 27, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for it...

where do I sign to finalize this deal?

Taylor Mays in '10

by donbok1 on Oct 27, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the broncos really are "close" ...

i think i’d rather use that bears pick for a monster ILB to replace andre davis. dawkins will be around for a couple years, and i like mcbath. andre has been a nice pickup, but can you imagine our LB crew with doom and ayers on the outside, djw and a maualuga-type on the inside?! youth and speed and power across the board! plus LBs tend to be quicker impact.

by ssc on Oct 28, 2009 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this idea.

Like you said, I’m fine with McBath and Barrett being our young safeties for a while. If we get a dominant presence at ILB, that would make this defense even scarier for opposing offenses.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny.

At the beginning of the year I would have said that we had multiple areas of need. Now I think we just take the best available player depending on our possible free agent loses.

by aldren on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And thats what we did in this draft...funny how that works out....

How would you feel if we had traded up for BJ Raji (HUGE reach) and not had Ayers or Moreno? They are both outperforming most of the 1st round picks!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

KB....Davis and DJ not dominating enough for you???? HAHAHA...

Look, anyine we get we will develop for at least 1-2 seasons….great problem to have!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, they are doing a great job. Andre is getting long in the tooth, though.

We already have depth at the safety position. McBath and Bruton are being groomed for the job later. We don’t have many young LBs.

So, I agree with you. They don’t need to step up right away and play next season, but we need some depth there to have quality LBs in the future.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello Rolando McClain or Brandon Spikes.

You can like Andra all you want, but he’s getting up there. And McClain already dominates in a college 3-4 and Spikes has the coverage, pass rush and run stuffing ability to excel in Nolan’s defense.

Either would solidify the LB corp for years.

"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden

by Randall15 on Oct 28, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes sir. Those are good prospects.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to work on coverage. If he can get that down at a pro level he will be great.

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Oct 29, 2009 1:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK… so I took so artistic license. My thought was the trade for Fonzi would have never happened if we didn’t have the 2nd #1.

by aldren on Oct 27, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Aidren!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2009 4:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing last night

That is, I never regretted the Portis-Bailey trade; always thought we came out better; and while watching parts of the game, wondered how Portis himself viewed it all. (Of course, they did show him the money there, and he got to play in a big media town, so pehaps he’s OK with it.) Now that’s as far as I took it, and I was happy.

Tonight, I read your post Aldren, and I’m even happier. Good points, and thanks for tracking that down and sorting it out for us!

by MakeCents on Oct 27, 2009 5:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Portis

A week or two ago, I was watching a Broncos-SD game on NFL network. It was from maybe 2002? Well, Portis and Tomlison were both rookies, and they both loked great! But Portis, many, that guy was a beast back then. I see him now and am saddened.

I agree with my dad’s assessment that he took the money, and ended up being expected to change his running style to a more workhorse bruiser style, which I just don’t think he is. Yes, he CAN bruise people, but he was running well toward open space, and making people hit him at glancing blows as he sliced through. Sure, he could lower the shoulder if he needed to, but now he pretty much has to every play.

He seems beat up now…

by Mhantra on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

has been beat up pretty much since he left town

see lower post for info

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tatum Bell

To preface my post, he’s playing in the UFL this year (better than celling sells…er, right?).

Sidenote: In researching I just looked at the ‘04 draft class and saw my boy B. Van Pelt in the 7th round. Ahh, nostalgia. The last fading glory of Sunny Lubick…(okay no idea if that’s spelled right and I left the town when I was six.. :p)

Career Stats:
5 yrs 569 car 2773 yds 16 TD 4.9 YPC

To continue the case study (in draft order):

C. Portis

Career Long:

M. Anderson
7 y 919 c 4067 y 37 t 4.4 ypc
Career Long:

T. Davis
7 y 1655 c 7607 y 60 t 4.6 ypc
Career Long:

Well this has turned into a full-blown fanpost, so I’m leaving this as a fragment :p. Suffice to say you got it perfect except for neglecting the value Tatum Bell brought. Not as a player, but in terms of the overall. Anyway, it’ll be up soon.

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 11:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

CSU reference #2

Just to tie them together:
Cecil Sapp is in the UFL too :p

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 11:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

I forgot how confusing all the 2006 trades had become to get JC.

Thanks Mr. Snyder, let’s do it again real soon.

Make those miracles happen - Jon Keyworth

by IgorBStrange on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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