The Lynch Perspective - Week 7
I, again, have the time to post some thoughts this week. I will be covering some concerns I noticed from the Monday Night Football game last week in San Diego, while also looking ahead to this weeks' contest in Baltimore. I will also touch on some other things that perked my interest this week, including Da Cutlers...err, I mean Da Bears and also Brett Kern. Enough of the intro, let's get on with it!
Concerns from the San Diego game
After watching the game again, I noticed something I hadn't seen much of all year. That would be opposing offensive plays of 10 yards or more. Against San Diego, much of those were nearly 20 yard chunks at a time. I decided to look back at the entire season to find out how many big plays our defense was giving up compared to the San Diego game and this is what I came up with:
| Big Play Index | |||
| Opponent | 10+ | 20+ | 40+ |
| San Diego Chargers | 12 | 4 | 0 |
| New England Patriots | 8 | 2 | 0 |
| Dallas Cowboys | 4 | 2 | 1 |
| Oakland Raiders | 4 | 0 | 0 |
| Cleveland Browns | 6 | 2 | 0 |
| Cincinnati Bengals | 9 | 3 | 0 |
Now, there a couple of things we can do with this information and the first of which is to ignore Weeks 1 through 3. The first week, most of those big plays took place on the final drive that should have won the game if it weren't for one huge play by Stokely and the Broncos to win the game with ten seconds left. Weeks 2 and 3 were against worthless teams whose "big plays" results in a grand total of nine points combined. Most of those "big plays" were of the dink and dunk 10-12 yarders. I'm not too concerned with those numbers.
Really, the only trends I am looking at are from Weeks 4-6. In the Dallas game, most of the big plays came in the first quarter before their offensive line became a mass of out of shape blubber. The only really big play of the game came at the end with that 53 yard catch and run by Sam Hurd. We lucked out again with a huge goal line stand to end the game. A game that shouldn't have even been as close as it was, but our offense was still struggling back then.
The defense again started slow against New England, but dominated the second half - allowing the offense to rally to tie the score. The defense gave up more big plays in this game, but played better overall in my opinion. The trend still shows a marked increase from week 4 to week 5 though, but there was little reason to be concerned.
Then came the Monday Night Football game and yes I know the San Diego Chargers were desperate and needed this win more than we did, but this game was the first time I had seen any opponent rip off 17+ yard gains at the drop of a hat. Nearly half of the Chargers 10-19 yard plays were over 16 yards, plus they ripped off four 20+ gains during the game. That's some big chunks of yardage and many of them came during the same drives, which allowed points to be scored. I know many will say that this defense bends, but doesn't break... I absolutely hate that type of defensive philosophy. Why? Because eventually a "bend but dont break" defense breaks. And they break hard. Think back to the 2005 AFC Championship game. I don't want another "bend but dont break" defense. I want a stout, physical and in your face defense. I know that type of defense gives up the occasional big play, but they rarely give up tons of yardage.
One other thing of minor concern, here are the points we've given up from weeks 1 to 6 - 7, 6, 3, 10, 17, 23. That is another trend that concerns me a bit. A championship caliber defense gives up less than two touchdowns per game. I'd love to see that happen through the entire season, but I'd settle for less than 15. If our defense gives up more, then our offense is going to need to step up their game significantly heading down the stretch.
I'll concede that it's a bit early to be worried about any of these things, which is why I choose to call this section "Concerns..". I am not ready to panic or even be worried. Last week could have been an anomoly, but if the Ravens rip off big chunks against us this week and we give up more than two touchdowns...even if we win, I will start to worry. If it happens again against Pittsburgh, then I'll start to panic. For now, let's just say I am somewhat concerned about it.
Denver Broncos @ Baltimore Ravens - Underdogs Again?!
You would think Vegas would learn their lesson by now. I've never seen such overt disrespect by a group that is supposed to be more worried about making money than losing it. Vegas has made the Broncos underdogs in five of their six games. And the Broncos are -4.5 dogs this week against a team with HALF as many victories as the Broncos. I love it, the Broncos are 5-0 as dogs...bring it.
The Ravens are going to be desperate for a win, but I just don't think their defense is all that good. They were ranked in the lower half of the league prior to the Bye and have given up 100 yard rushers in all of their last three games, not to mention their subpar passing defense. While their offense has not been able to run the ball with much effectiveness in the last three games and are going to face one of the leagues top defensive units in the Broncos.
If this game was in Denver, it wouldn't be all that close...but I'll give the Ravens an edge with their backs up against the wall, but I still give the Broncos the win, 20-13. It just seems to me that the Broncos will never be favorites over any of last years playoff teams. I'll bet that the only time the Broncos will be favored for the next five games will be against the Washington Redskins. Go figure. Hopefully, we'll head into Indianapolis undefeated and dogged.
Da Cutlers...err, I mean Da Bears!
I can't help but laugh at Jay Cutler's misfortunes. I know this will upset many who have a soft spot for the guy, but he is getting what he deserves. A team can only win through talent and quality of leadership. It has become apparent to me that the Denver Broncos made a horrible mistake in drafting Jay Cutler. The reason for that is simple, he is not a leader of men. Jake Plummer was a leader of men. He was 7-4 when he was benched and also the winningest quarterback in franchise history. Jay Cutler took that 7-4 team to a 9-7 record and missed the playoffs. People blame it on losing Al Wilson, well yeah, that did play a part in it, but I also think the players were less than happy about Plummer's dismissal.
Cutler went on to lead the Bronco's to a 17-20 record over the course of 2 and a half years. Blame was always shifted elsewhere by the media and by most of us here at MHR. Cutler leaves, we bring in a guy who is a leader of men and we are 6-0. Go figure. Talent is overrated in the NFL, since the difference in talent isn't really all that large. I have found Kyle Orton to be incredibly accurate in the long pass, so does a noodle arm equate to a 65 yard pass instead of a 70 yard pass? Who would you rather have, JaMarcus Russell or Kyle Orton? Get real!
Jay Cutler has all the tools, but he is not a team player. I don't think he will ever win consistently in the NFL unless he learns that important trait. A trait that he almost certainly would have learned had he stayed in Denver. I will laugh at his misfortunes because he wounded me as a fan. At the same time, I count my lucky stars that our team got so much in return for such a selfish player.
I must also say that it is okay to bash Cutler within the confines of MHR, because he did this fanbase wrong in the way he forced a trade, BUT it is not okay to go over to Windy City Gridiron and gloat or cause trouble. Remember, everything they say and believe in Jay Cutler is what we here did for two plus years while he was our quarterback. We are no longer blinded by out belief that Cutler was great and there is no way any of us will ever help a Bears fan see the light while Cutler is a Bear. It's just not going to happen and it does no one any good by rubbing salt on their wounds. Let it be and look forward to a nice draft pick in 2010.
Brett Kern
The last thing I need to talk about is our former punter, Brett Kern. I support McD's decision to improve the football team and this isn't about that. I just want to wish Brett Kern the best and I hope he finds a place to kick the ball. It is hard raising a young family and even more difficult when the family includes an infant. He strikes me as a good person with a solid character. Perhaps another team will be able to use him. Best of luck to you Brett!
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Let me repeat what you said about trolling Windy City . . .
If there is anything that makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck (it’s too late for the top of my head), it is trolling and spamming rival SB Nation boards. Damn, that pisses me off!!
I hope what you and Ted said in his ST&NO this week about that is heeded.
Regarding Orton, I’m glad you mentioned his deep accuracy. He didn’t always have that capability (in accuracy—he always had the arm strength), but, from reports back from camp, my impression is they worked very hard on that in the preseason, and it seems to have paid off.
Thanks for another good post, Zapper. +1 and rec. 
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
by AZDynamics on Oct 27, 2009 12:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
I am also wondering if the accuracy issue in Chicago had more to do with the horrible offensive line play. If you don’t have time, you hurry your throws – you become inaccurate. Just ask Jay Cutler.
The trolling thing, I’ve had my fair share of mistakes in causing trouble. Most of it was unintentional, but you learn just to avoid it altogether. Not worth the headache!
Thanks again man.
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The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing off your back foot...
hurts your accuracy too. And hasn’t Guru been pounding that fact into MHR readers’ heads for the last two years or so?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a slow learner...
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 28, 2009 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back Foot
A bit of clarification. Throwing off your back foot when standing on your back foot is a bad thing. Throwing off your front foot when standing on your front foot is equally bad. Throwing off your back foot ONTO your front foot is a good thing. QB’s get their power and accuracy from a combination of STARTING the throw on their back foot and torso torque. In other words, the best passes are initiated off the back foot with the follow-through ending on the front foot.
by Endzone on Oct 28, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
sorry if that was confusing...
but if you see anyone talk about ‘throwing off the back foot’ that’s all they ever mean. The point is you need a full-body weight shift to fully coordinate any motion like that. It’s why musicians learn about more than just wrist/mouth movement—though motions like throwing or bowing a violin seem to just involve one part of the body, the fact is is that the best/most accurate/most consistent motion you can acheive with any individual muscle is that which is aided by full-body motion.
For those that still need help understanding a back-foot throw:
Click on my username, then read my first (of two) fanpost. Watch the highlight video, and the post points out where it occurs. Or, if that’s too involved, just go to youtube and search “Cutler”. He does it enough you shouldn’t have a problem finding an instance.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
“anyone” implies everyone. I don’t believe that you can arrogate that everyone means what you are saying. I certainly do not mean that. Are you saying that “throwing off the back foot” is a common shorthand for not using a full-body weight shift? It is a poor shorthand if that is what you imply since ALL good throws MUST start on the back foot.
Why don’t you link your article or the name of it? I found “Whoa” and “Surfing” Neither one seems related to this point.
by Endzone on Oct 29, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and
Ted may had been mistaken when he asserted that there was no one from MHR trolling over at WCG. I noticed that many “Bronco fan” comments were being deleted over there for trolling. I don’t know who they were, but they could have been MHR people.
The point is, just carry yourself with dignity and class when visiting other blogs. Fans are emotionally attached to their teams, so insulting their team is like spitting in their wives face. Or punching their children in the face…or something to that effect. Don’t do it. :)
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
Another rec for you . . .
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
by AZDynamics on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all did.
I don’t mind…I am more Tim Lynch than I am Zappa. lol At least my berth certificate thinks so. hehe
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaves a bit to be desired but ok..
by _Atwater27 on Oct 27, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't my decision, but I agreed to do it.
I prefer using my own name anyways rather to a moniker. I can be myself more rather than just a “persona”.
I know why John wanted to change the names…it brings more of a legitimate feel to the blog. For me, it was more about opening the door to meet people I have met here. I am trying to set up a trip to Denver next year…I think it would be cool to meet some of the characters around here. At least now, no one will be calling me Zappa at the bar or whatever. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You will always be Zappa to me. And I am now and will be forever
the firstfan.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Oct 28, 2009 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am also known as the two millionth four hundred seventy thousandth one hundred fourteenth fan.
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The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
by Tim Lynch on Oct 28, 2009 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always Zappa to Me
She had that
Camarillo brillo
Flamin’ out along her head,
I mean her Mendocino bean-o
By where some bugs had made it red
She ruled the Toads of
the Short Forest
And every newt in Idaho
And every cricket who had chorused
By the bush in Buffalo
Dude, ever since I’ve been on MHR you ARE Zappa. I was wondering what was up about you, NYC, HT and others, changing to your “real” names.
Now that’s got me thinking about making up some words to that tune. I can’t think of a better foe to make words up to that tune than the Faiders [evil laugh]
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
by Rzeppa on Oct 28, 2009 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am Zappa everywhere online...
youtube: zapparulez. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 28, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats lie
The stats have more to do with the fact that:
1. Offense usually starts out slow at the begining of the year. Everyone is still trying to get on the same page.
2. Quality of Opponents Offenses. – With the exception of cincy which defaults to my #1 point. Oakland and Cleveland can’t muster anything.
3. San Diego Game is an outlier most likely due to losing one of our best Defenders for the 1st half in B Dawk.
Gotta run..
by _Atwater27 on Oct 27, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right...as I said, I'm not worried - only concerned.
It doesn’t hurt to talk about the possibility of some problems that may or may not be beginning to be exploited by our opponents.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right though...
stats lie…
I used the stats to back up what my eyes saw during that game. I hope you are right for sure though!
Take care dude.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember also that 3 of those big plays came on San Diego's last posession.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the other 13 came on other drives...
It just seemed like every scoring drive was 2-3 plays that ripped off big chunks of yardage. I’d prefer 15 dink and dunk type of plays to score…gives the D more chances to get off the field.
Oh and I still hate Phillip Rivers. ;-)
You got a point though and I am not overly concerned…it’s just something I will be watching for starting this weekend.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure Tim....I thought it was a great test for our secondary and they passed with flying colors...
One TD….ann=d 3 FG is great against a vertical threat team like SD. SAme goes with NE. Definitely something to chcek out this week though.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess when you are 6-0 you start looking for potential problems. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey 27, Some Stats Never Lie!! :-)
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Oct 27, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler take
A guy named Jimmy Covers ( a handicapper here in Vegas ) brought up an interesting point the other day. While Cutler was at Vandi his combined record was a miserable 11-35. Since his departure their record is 16-21 and in only 3 seasons compared to the 4 Cutler spent. Enough said.
by johnnyurrotten on Oct 27, 2009 12:51 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Stat of the Year right there folks. For Bronco fans anyway.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable.
That’s quite a trend he is developing for himself there.
I wonder if we can see the numbers from his high schools days with a before and after record…. maybe I’ll do some digging.
by aLuffabo on Oct 27, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woops… Looks like those stats aren’t going to help us any…
Cutler attended Heritage Hills High School in Lincoln City, Indiana. He started three years at quarterback, amassing a combined 26–1 record in his junior and senior years, including a perfect 15–0 during his senior year.
by aLuffabo on Oct 27, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an option quarter back.....that was the problem when people recruited him...
He was an option QB, and was that up till his second year in college.
Same goes for Brett Favre…..twilight zone stuff!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get too excited
A guy named Jimmy Covers ( a handicapper here in Vegas ) brought up an interesting point the other day. While Cutler was at Vandi his combined record was a miserable 11-35. Since his departure their record is 16-21 and in only 3 seasons compared to the 4 Cutler spent. Enough said.
Lord, how many factors go into that? Including the one that maybe some kids chose Vandy because they’d shown some signs of life with Cutler? Just saying.
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
Parmenides (5th Century B. C. Greek)
by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winners win.
I think I read here that McD has never been part of a losing (<.500) team in his life. Cutler has had…one?…winning season since high school. I don’t like the Vandy comparison, but I do like the career W-L one.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 isn't a winning season for Cutler...that was Plummers winning season that Cutler almost ruined. :P
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 28, 2009 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Cutler go 4-2 or 2-3 or 2-4 at the end of that year, zap?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
edit: I counted as a winning one because I assumed that he went 4-2, but I think I’m way wrong. 2-3 in games he started, 2-4 overall sounds more about right…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct...he was a winner briefly in 2008 before blowing it in buffalo.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 28, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chargers
Anyone writing them off is in for a big surprise – LT looks good, and Antonio Gates looed better than ever against the Broncos. They are a good offensive team, despite losing their Center.
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
Parmenides (5th Century B. C. Greek)
by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, except their defense is HORRIBLE!
There defense reminds me a lot of last years defense in Denver.
They are a .500 football team, maybe 9-7. I foresee a lot of 38-35 games for them. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know how you can say
LT looks good. He’s a shell of what he was, granted the OL is banged up so its going to be a good argument either way but at this point he should be downgraded heavily from his days of being a top 5 RB.
by _Atwater27 on Oct 27, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he's a top 5 RB
I said he looks good, and I stand by it. He’s looking better than he has in a year or so.
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
Parmenides (5th Century B. C. Greek)
by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking better than he has in a year or so...
That’s not saying a whole lot. If by “looking good” you mean “average,” then I’m right there with you… he’s a shadow of his former self, even if that shadow still has average ability.
by Velveeta on Oct 27, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT has certainly lost some of his explosiveness.
Chargers are kicking themselves for not keeping Michael Turner and giving LT the boot.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Too chicken, and now they’re paying for that cowardice.
by AllBroncsallday on Oct 27, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, i know i said Stats Lie but..
In LT’s Case they dont…
Ranks 21st in the League in YPC, Behind such notable runners as:
LenDale White
Justin Fargas
Fred Taylor
LT is washed up. He’ll be hurt again in three weeks. I’m not one to usually argue just for the sake of arguing but… He’s done.
Career Rushing YPC
2005 4.3
2006 5.2
2007 4.7
2008 3.8
2009 3.5
Plot that on a graph and tell me what you see.
by _Atwater27 on Oct 27, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He peaked...
a while ago…then the Chargers traded Michael Turner. haha
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think it's a definite that the chargers draft a running back first?
Or try to get one in free agency?
by bfree2bronc on Oct 27, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a good GM
I think they draft highest ranked player available at a need position. OL is certainly one of them.
by _Atwater27 on Oct 27, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
very very few NFL running backs can
have the number of touches year after year and still remain productive. LDT averaged roughly 24 touches per game during his career (~3200 touches at this point). If you compare the career curve for any back that has carried the ball this much in recent history (see E. George, J. Bettis) once they get over 2000 carries their effectiveness drops way off (YPC). I figured that LDT would be able to continue being productive since, like E. Smith, he never seems to take really hard hits. However, the pounding has apparently caught up to LDT.
by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 28, 2009 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT
He had 18 carries for 79 yards against the Broncos, a 3.9 yard average. He also caught 3 for 30 yards. Not too shabby against one of the best defenses in the league.
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
Parmenides (5th Century B. C. Greek)
by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ON MNF he showed some sparks
A couple of plays had me out of my seat, most of the old skill is still there – but the body is just not as responsive as it once was. I do hate to see those few ‘very special players’ hang on too long – you expect so much more from them and its disappointing to see them as just average.
by Flunkie on Oct 27, 2009 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only been around since 2001...lol
It’s not as if he has been around since the stone age….Jerry Rice…cough…retiring as a Bronco…uhg…
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
~30
that’s the end of career for a three-down, feature back (seen all over the AFC West in the last decade—Priest Holmes, LJ, LDT; TD would fall in this category but a) he suffered a freak injury that cut short the greatest all-around RB career in NFL history and b) he still came back from that injury to lead the team in rushing, on fewer carries than Mike Anderson) in today’s league. Other guys who don’t break NFL season records for carries like LJ can have longevity (or if they nurse injuries year-in and year-out *cough*Westbrook*cough* <—-note: still a great back, his longevity has been prolonged by his propensity for injuries…kinda ironic).
Wow I just love parenthetical asides. I hope that it’s still readable :p
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I was doing a cross word puzzle, and the clue was “Popeye’s dad Poopdeck _______”
You know what the answer was?
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
Parmenides (5th Century B. C. Greek)
by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Do I want to know? lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
Parmenides (5th Century B. C. Greek)
by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring it on..
All I remember was that I loved Popeye as a little kid and begged my mom for a week for a can of spinach. I sat down and finally thought I was going to be strong like Popeye and choked down that crap. I learned a valuable lesson that day…TV lies.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Poopdeck Zappa"
Try the spinach again. :-) I confess that I watched Popeye whale on Bluto a lot, which was fun, but I never figured out what either saw in Olive Oyl. Anyway, it was Los Angeles Times Sunday crossword puzzle.
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
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by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was Poopdeck Pappy.
That’s what it was in the ’toons when I was a kid.
Phyllis? Phyllis? Are you there? I can't hear you anymore.
by pubkeeper on Oct 27, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh rats
Looking at the puzzle again, the answer is actually Pappy. It was a vertical answer, and the clue to the top was “Stare”; then “paperless tests” (answer Orals); then “nursery rhyme loser” (answer bopeep) then “shows up” (answer appears) then LALaw costar. So I had, from top to bottom: blank, a from orals, p from bopeep, p from appears, and no clue to LALaw costar. “Gaze” fit as the answer to “stare” so zappa fit, if the LA Law was dea. But it actually is dey (how should I know?) and the answer to Stare is actually Gape instead of Gaze.
So, sorry, Zappa, the answer is Pappy. Hope you enjoyed your moment of fame anyway. I can send you the puzzle with my answers in ink if you want for a souvenir.
Anyway, good catch, pubkeeper!
IT is, and it's impossible for IT not to be.
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by bradley on Oct 27, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I still want to call him Poopdeck now! ; )
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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Mine was Imperial Margarine. I wanted that Crown soooo Bad!
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 27, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick thoughts on your thoughts -
1. I’m hoping the less-dominant Monday night D was due to a desperate SD team (with some real vets who could bring a little extra that week), and a nicked-up Denver D. The bye week should take care of the latter, and set the stage for the rest of the season.
2. Can’t quite agree with “a horrible mistake in drafting Jay Cutler”, though I do agree with your reasoning. In the short term, it was bad for Plummer, didn’t help out the team, and was probably bad for Shanahan. However, that draft did net us a 1st round draft pick and KO, a new set of coaches, and a new situation. Looking back from today, I’d say it was good.
3. “Talent is overrated in the NFL, since the difference in talent isn’t really all that large.” Again, agree with the sentiment, but several players on last year’s D (you know who) are evidence to the contrary. I think there’s more than a little difference this time.
Thanks for letting me share my humble thoughts, and as always, thank you for yours!
by MakeCents on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You make sense...
But we gave up a first rounder to move up to draft Cutler. I think if it is added up, we basically got exactly what we gave up to get Cutler in the first place. lol That is, until Da Bears droped to 3-3…now we’re looking to make out a bit better.
Our 2008 D is “He who must not be named”. That D never existed nor should it ever be mentioned again! lol
My high school 12 years ago could have put up 20 pts on that team. uhg!
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for sharing too man...
I never claim to be right…only opinionated. :) lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If drafting Cutler wasn't a horrible mistake...
then losing Al Wilson in the prime of his career was awesome for the Broncos too.
Your logic is faulty, you can’t credit the mistake for the corrections/adjustments (buzzword of the season on here) made due to the mistake itself.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
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by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Al Wilson was a different case. He was released because he couldn't pass a physical after his neck injury.
No other teams would trade for him or sign him, either.
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by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes no difference.
I’m saying that the causal relationship MakeCents established allows you to imply anything you want.
Example 1:
Shanny’s drafting (until the last three or four years) immediately following the superbowls seems like a mistake, until you realize that our poor depth and player development made the team just good enough for Shanny to last in the job until McD came around for us to get him. Without that poor drafting there, who knows when we fire Shanny, no McD, no 6-0 start this year.
Trying to say that a negative action is a positive one because it caused the adjustments that led to success just isn’t sound. Cutler was a terrible pick because he never led our team to a winning record. Period. Whether or not we dig ourselves out of the hole we created is irrelevant to what made us dig the whole in the first place.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plays of 40+ Yards
I may be missing something, but I remember a pretty significant play in the Bengals game that would qualify for “big plays of 40+ yards” which is not reflected in your chart.
by DrewL on Oct 27, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Points
I just wanted to say that in the Chargers game the defense did hold the Chargers to 1 TD and some field goals. Special teams gave up the other TD. That was championship caliber defense, especially when you look at the weapons the Chargers have.
Now if you mean they should hold opponents to under 14 points. Fair enough, I just think our schedule is going to make that tough.
How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
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by Kfustud on Oct 27, 2009 1:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't differentiate between ST and D...it's pointless since we are a Team.
We gave up 23 points… Remember that fumble against Cleveland to open the game? Do we count that 3 points against our D too?
I know we only gave up 16 pts…but the only score that matters is the final score. I’m not saying our D didn’t play well, since they held when they had too…I just don’t like the “bend but dont break” thing. Just don’t bend or break dammit! lol
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
In your post you mentioned the scores then referenced how you felt that a championship Defense holds it opponents. I think from this what you meant was a championship team.
So if you asked me if we had a Championship Defense I would say yes, if you asked me if I had concerns about if we had a Championship team I would say, of course.
Just nailing down your real thinking a little which I think I got. Good stuff.
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by Kfustud on Oct 27, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...you're right
I didn’t really differentiate the two. The big play stat is purely defense, but the points stat was as a team. Those are really the only two little minor concerns I have right now…I expect to have answers within the next five weeks. ;)
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
23 pts – 7 for the ST gaffe = 16, which is two touchdowns
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 27, 2009 1:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Distinction
Are we concerned about the number of points given up or the number of TDs?
I tried to reference this in my post.
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by Kfustud on Oct 27, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just pointing out that even without the FG distinction [and you posted right when I hit send, otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered =)] it is still only two TD’s given up — with two point conversions but still only the two TD’s
And McDaniels took care of the ST TD yesterday
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 27, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree mostly...I am slightly concerned - that's all.
I’m not even close to being worried. :)
Baltimore is going down hard. Broncos underdogs again….the Ravens don’t have a prayer.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vegas...
Hates the Broncos. I hate it too because of of my self imposed betting rules are: Don’t be a homer and bet on Denver
Dont bet against AFC West just because you hate them.
I really wanted a piece of that +3.5 against SD but I held out because it was on the road.
I think i might indulge on the +4.5 though.
by _Atwater27 on Oct 27, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our guys certainly keep things close...
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the 3.5 with SD, wish my wife had had more cash on her at the time she called me asking if I wanted her to bet anything.
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by Todd Jewell on Oct 27, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put down 50 in the Monday night game...
nice turnaround there. I don’t bet often though. The last time I bet was in 2008 during Super Bowl 42. I bet 100 dollars that the Giants would win. The over at the time was like 6.5 if I remember right. I bet right after the Giants won the NFC Championship game. It was definitely worth it in the end!!!
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by Joe Medina on Oct 27, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great points all around Tim,
and it seems people tend to over look the ‘glaring’ concerns when they are winning. I love the way McDaniels restresses the fact that the team hasn’t accomplished anything yet. We watch coaches in presseers after a win say things like this player was awesome or that player was great, never really addressing the problems they need to solve. To me, if a team gives up any points there are things that need to be worked on. Defenses as you stated have to be great if a team is going to succeed, not put a lot of pressure on the offense to score on every drive.
by bfree2bronc on Oct 27, 2009 3:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extrapolating on this...
into how the Broncos D has started its first six games (and finished the final ten) in the last three years would be a monumental but probably really educational effort. If I’m not too lazy I’ll look into it. I’m just getting this really strong sense of deja-vu talking about how surprisingly strong our D is this year…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
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by Drizzt396 on Oct 27, 2009 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concerns
I think that a defensive collapse has occured so frequently the last few years that it’s easy to get worried. I’ve worried every gAme except the raiders. I think that McD will keep them focused (my head says that but the irrational part is waiting to get creamed some time).
As for trolling I don’t know why you would. It’s like the Dallas fans bragging in the first quarter about kicking our butt. That kind of thing leads to bad juju
by NDbronco on Oct 27, 2009 3:22 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a point.
I think in my case, the past two seasons have engrained in me a deep sense of skepiticism. I know we are playing well, but I will always keep myself grounded since I know how quickly things can go bad.
btw, my little brother is moving to North Dakota Saturday. I think he will love it.
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kern
I just read on Schefters tweet that Kern has signed with the Titans, so that’s good news for him.
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by solace on Oct 27, 2009 4:29 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear...I like Kern and he just had a kid so he has a family to support!
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by boydy2669 on Oct 27, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good deal! thanks for the update man!
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by Tim Lynch on Oct 27, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice write up Tim!
And I second your thoughts on Brett Kern — seemed like a good guy and I wish the best for him.
And it’s great to hear the Titans have picked him up! Maybe he’s the one missing piece that Jeff Fischer has been need to turn that team into…. er….. never mind. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Oct 27, 2009 9:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but with that offense, he sure is gonna get in a lot of work!
by jonahsilas on Oct 28, 2009 1:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zappa, I am always late to your party! Many good comments.
Great write up. I am glad to see someone else likes stats! ha!
A few thoughts on the Chargers. First, their style of offense is more of a down field style, so they are naturally going to get bigger chunks. Also, their screen passes end up skewing the data a bit, which has always been Norv’s style.
This Baltimore game is going to be tough. Have you seen what the Ravens are on 3rd down? We have to get them into 3rd and long…..A LOT.
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by TJ Johnson on Oct 27, 2009 10:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man...
I would argue that the Patriots and Cowboys are downfield threats too…we held them more or less, but not the Chargers. I hope we really smack the Ravens around this weekend.
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