Horse Tracks 10/28/09 - Kern catches on with Titans

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 28, 2009 6:01 AM MDT in Horse Tracks Comment 44 comments

NYT - In Gay Culverhouse, N.F.L. Players With Head Injuries Find a Voice - Alan Schwarz

DB - Recovered and Ready For Baltimore Battle - Patrick Smyth
Notes from the weekly press release.

DPP - Broncos take precautions against flu - Jeff Legwold
The Titans signed Brett Kern and released punter Reggie Hodges. One day you're 6-0, couple days later you're 0-6. Ouch. Well, at least he has a new gig...best of luck, Brett!

DPP - Analysis: Bigger, better QBs ahead for Broncos "D" - Jeff Legwold

LTC - Bold Broncos return from bye week intent on keeping winning formula in place - Brian Howell

LTC - Broncos’ once-daunting schedule now a welcome challenge for team - Brian Howell

PFW - Week Eight matchup tidbits

DPP - Marshall catches shot on TV

VS - PRO BOWL WIDE RECEIVER BRANDON MARSHALL TO CALL THE PLAYS ON NOV. 3 EPISODE OF SPORTS SOUP

DB - Baltimore Memories - Jim Saccomano
Sacco recalls Elway's first trip to B'more as a Bronco.

DB - Service Information for Walt Daniels

DB - Ask Tony Scheffler...

CBS4 - Elway Uses Bye Week To Talk A Little Baseball - Matthew Buettner

Ravens News

BS - Q & A with Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth - Edward Lee

BS - Ravens turning to youth movement at linebacker - Ken Murray

NFP - Wilson: Ravens' secondary hoping to bounce back against Broncos

AFC West News

ESPN - How I See It: AFC West Stock Watch - Bill Williamson

SDUT - Scouting the Raiders

KCS - Father says he's among those hurt by Larry Johnson's remarks - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs Notebook | Haley targets 'minus plays' - Kent Babb

SFC - 10 quick thoughts on quarterbacks and winning - Scott Ostler

NFL News

NFL - Redskins executive Cerrato defends offseason roster decisions

USAT - Redskins fans aim vitriol at Daniel Snyder as team's heavy-handed tactics questioned - Sean Leahy

NFL - Report: Titans owner Adams wants Young to start at QB vs. Jaguars

NFL - Ex-Saints RB Stecker signs with Falcons; S Moore out for season

NFL - Niners RT Pashos out for season with shoulder injury

NFL - Broken finger might sideline Jaguars CB Mathis vs. Titans

NFL - Miller rejoins Jets to fill special-teams void left by Washington

BN - Bills work out journeyman QB Ramsey - Mark Gaughan

NFL Opinion

NYT - Being Gay in the N.F.L.: ‘The Only Thing We Need Is a Hero’ - Toni Monkovic

NFP - Diner morning news: Lessons for Snyder - Mike Lombardi

NFP - Tavern talk: Dolphins must control the clock - Mike Lombardi

SI - Top 10 revenge games in NFL history - Don Banks
How about TD and Derek Loville putting up almost 300 yards rushing on the Jags in the '97 Playoffs? No, I know the '97 Revenge Tour doesn't belong on this list; but I just wanted to remind y'all of it...Jacksonville, then KC, then Pittsburgh and GB - all teams that had handed Denver some big losses in the '96 and '97 seasons...

SI - Bad quarterbacks, new front offices common with bad NFL teams - Peter King

NFL - These guys are bad: Six teams in big trouble after Week 7 - Vic Carucci

NFL - Delhomme playing miserably, but he might be Panthers' best option - Bucky Brooks

USAT - Ex-Packer Freeman: Lambeau's boos won't shake Brett Favre - Jim Corbett

NFP - Getting behind the Ware deal - Andrew Brandt

NFP - Will Fisher listen to Bud and start VY? - Matt Bowen

NFP - A look at Bradford's NFL future - Jack Bechta

Y! - Bad NFL teams turn sports books into losers - Dan Wetzel

Y! - Rams, Titans at risk of establishing '300 club' - Jason Cole

SN - Collection of castoffs behind Bengals' success - Dennis Dillon

CR - Cutler hasn't performed up to expectations in Chicago - Steve Doerschuk

FOX - Schein 9: Favre in for rough day at Lambeau

CBS - Smith's fresh start, outside threat Crabtree could awaken Niners - Clark Judge

ESPN - Washington Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth races powerboats but fails to speed his team's progress - Jeffri Chadiha

FH - Studs and Duds: Cars-On Target - Shane Bacon

NYT - Favre’s Interception, and ‘Tackle,’ Against the Steelers - Toni Monkovic
Did anyone else notice this? What a pathetic, half-hearted attempt at a tackle...and we're not talking about a pick-6 when you're already down 3 TDs. We're talking about a pick-6 when the game hangs in the balance...

PFW - MVP Meter: Schaub on the rise

PFW - Rookie Meter: Crabtree impresses in debut

NFP - Scout’s notebook: defensive review - Wes Bunting

CBS - Injury might help Bradford's chances for success in NFL - Charley Casserly

Power Rankings

NFL - Expert Rankings: Week 7

Y! - Defensive back grows as latest glamour spot - Mike Silver

PFW - Week Eight power rankings

CBS - Power Rankings: Defense gives Cardinals extra lift - Pete Prisco

ESPN - NFL Power Rankings Week 8

FH - NFL Power Rankings, Week 8: Return of The Kings

USAT - Freefall: Reeling Giants tumble in power ranks as Saints reign

USAT - Jeff Sagarin computer ratings

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Thanks, Doug.

For some reason, seeing him go to the Titans didn’t inspire as much pity as if he had gone to, say, the Bucs. Well anyway, good luck, Brett.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 28, 2009 6:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, at least he'll get more gametime reps in Tennessee.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can you tell us Titans fans something about him?

Why did he get cut? He’s got to be better than the guy we’ve had for the last three games – Reggie Hodges.

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Oct 28, 2009 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

B/c he leads the NFL in touchbacks

by Bustafluff on Oct 28, 2009 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too many line-drive punts

which gave opposing punt returners a running start before our coverage could get downfield. Too many touchbacks is another issue that didn’t help, but lack of hang time is, in my opinion, what got him his walking papers.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 28, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree, Spock

Outkicking the coverage is sealed his walking papers.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 28, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kern can KICK

he has a lot of leg, but as you would expect, is intermittent with accurate placement and does not have great “touch” (right combination of hard to catch+high arc+aim+distance).

SO since we were usually punting from near mid-field and needed to down at the yd line, Kern outkicking his coverage was unacceptable.

To be fair, last year and this, when we had to punt from our own end zone or short of the 30 yd line, he did save our bacon more than a few times. Its just that our coach would rather bet that we punt from the 50 than from the 5.

Good luck. Kern has a new baby, too (big-time motiviation), and seems to be a genuinely good guy in the locker room and community. I hope he shines with the Titans, and helps with your current doldrums, too.

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by PositivIntegral on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the touchbacks

were secondary to outkicking the coverage. The first gives up a little bit of field position—nothing to be sneezed at—but the latter constantly risks a quick six. The Sproles punt return was the last straw.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 28, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kicking it from the 50 into the end zone

is not what I (and I suspect others) mean by “outkicking the coverage”. That’s just kicking the ball too far. Outkicking the coverage means kicking it far enough and low enough that the receiver can catch the ball and start upfield before any tacklers can get down “under the punt” to stop the return before it starts. Kicking the ball into the end zone rather than downing it inside the ten is not good, but it’s a lesser offense and isn’t usually referred to as “outkicking the coverage”.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 28, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It isn't outkicking the coverage from midfield.

“outkicking coverage” means that you kick the ball too low to a returner, giving the returner more space to make moves before the coverage gets there.

In this case, he was just kicking the ball into the endzone, which is unacceptable. In those cases, you just follow through a lot more than usual, making the ball go really high in the air. This will give the ball hangtime and allow your teammates to get by the goal line and stop it from bouncing into the endzone. This goes along with “touch” that I mentioned in my post “The Truth about Punting”.

You get into trouble kicking line drives on punts because returners in the NFL can take the extra distance to scope the field and make your special teams pay with a big return.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Doug, Good Luck Brett.

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 28, 2009 7:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Theismann has the Broncos at 5, and La Canfora has them behind the Pats.

Motivation, I guess.

by JeffG on Oct 28, 2009 7:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the tracks Doug. You help me get my daily broncos fix without any effort at all, on my end.

I really appreciate everything you do. This is a lot of work.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 7:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I was wondering if Favre was gonna get called on his half-arsed (if one would even call it that) “effort” at the tackle.

When watching that live I was thinking, ‘Simply grab on and tackle him you twit.’ Favre was right there and IMO just had to fall at his feet in front of him at the very least. Just a little effort would of been nice to see – to at least act liked he cared.

I can’t remember: earlier in his career, did Favre always display such “effort”?

by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 28, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he's starting to believe

that QB >> Team nonsense that he’s been told for the last 15 years

by PositivIntegral on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you see him when he had a shot on the second INT too...what a Woos BAg!!!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Many thanks Doug

The “Bigger, Better Qb’s ahead” article proves why stats only tell a small part of a story. Who would you rather have a two game stretch against, Brady/Rivers, or Flacco/Rothlisberger? Give me Flacco/Rothlisberger everytime please.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Oct 28, 2009 8:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

agree

I saw that title and went, “better QBs ahead? WTF?”

Big Ben and Flacco are very good QBs, but in a straight up trade for 1 season (so age doesn’t matter) I’d take Rivers and Brady every time.

The one exception is that Big Ben is absolutely amazing in a collapsing pocket (he has to be given his mediocre O-line), so he’s able to make many plays that Rivers/Brady can’t, even if his overall passing accuracy/precision might not be quite as good overall.

rating from best to worst, I’d go:
P. Manning
D. Brees
T. Brady
P. Rivers
B. Roethlisberger

with Flacco, Romo, McNabb etc. rounding out the top 10.

Actually, as I think about it, there is a lot of really solid QB talent in the NFL right now. Even just the “above average” guys like Aaron Rogers, Matt Hasselbeck, Orton, E. Manning, and Warner are guys who can really make a DEF pay….

by cjfarls on Oct 28, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd actually put Rodgers up with the best

that kid has game!

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he holds onto the ball too long to be considered one of the elite…. but yes, he’s a very good QB.

by cjfarls on Oct 28, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You say that about Rodgers you need to say that about big Ben...Elway....Young.....these are the guys that become great as they dont give up on plays...

But dont show STUPID passes like Cutler or Favre….or George!

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...but Baltimore has to face a top 10 Qb too...just saying!

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha Ha Ha Ha

In one game, Michael Crabtree already has more catches than Darius Heyward-Bey. way to go Cryptkeeper. Hahahahahahahahahahahhaaha.
Thanks Doug, that made my day!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 9:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice Work Doug.

Thanks especially for your recent posts on the NFL head injury stuff. It’s something that I’m trying to come to grips with as a football fan, and something that should be discussed in this football forum. I made it through about half of the New Yorker’s Football/Dogfighting story last Monday when I was home with my sick six year old. I couldn’t finish it because it was killing my pre Monday Night Bronco buzz in a big way.

Comparing dog fighting to football is a huge stretch, but there is no doubt that the game that we follow so closely is doing great harm to the players we root for. What does that say about us, as diehard fans, that we chose this as our favorite sport? What does it say about our culture, that we as a nation have chosen this sport as our most popular sport (and boxing before)? These are not the thoughts that you want to be thinking right before your team takes the field on Monday Night against a hated division rival. However, I think it’s important to have those thoughts and to have an opinion about such matters.

I’m not sure what I think. I need to think about it more, I guess. Once I formulate a solid opinion (and finish that article), I’ll most likely create a fan post. Does anyone in this thread have any thoughts on the issue?

by ButteBronco on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, BB. I'm glad you appreciate those stories.

I do not personally watch the NFL for the big hits. They are entertaining, but knowing that they can (and do) cause irreversible damage to the players we follow makes me cringe. I’d love to see the NFL take measures to lessen the number of brain-injuring hits, whether it’s by removing facemasks, putting linemen into 2-point stances, or making helmets less like battering rams. Football is an entertaining sport without the headfirst hits. Obviously, injuries could never be fully eliminated as clean hits cause them pretty frequently.

It bothers me greatly to see/read how the NFL is handling brain injuries. They should fund an independent study rather than run their own, if they really want to get at the truth. Obviously, they don’t. The fact that Dr. Pellman (who has no expertise in brain injuries) was heading up the league’s concussion committee says it all. That he will be the one examining former players for the NFL’s study is no less than a sham. I am greatly disturbed by how the NFL and its people have tried to marginalize and discredit Dr. Omalu’s research. I will repost the link to the GQ story below, because it is an absolute must-read.

I will continue to post these stories atop Tracks as they come, because this is not just an issue that affects us as fans and how we view the NFL. It goes to a much more personal level for those of us (not me, no children yet) who have sons, nephews or friends playing football at any level. Sadly, research on sports-related concussions has a long way to go; but it’s so important that we all exercise great caution in dealing with them firsthand. If your son/daughter/niece/nephew/grandchild has a brain injury, don’t treat it lightly! It’s not about toughness; it’s about living a long and healthy life!

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/200909/nfl-players-brain-dementia-study-memory-concussions

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by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 28, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Doug.

I made it through about half of that GQ article during lunch (I need to get back to work!), but I’m going to stay up late and finish it. It’s amazing to me how short-sided many large, multinational corporations can be. The NFL’s behavior on this issue is reprehensible. Here’s a quote from the GQ piece that sticks out, from the African-born Dr. who examined Mike Webster’s brain:

"I was naive," he says now. "There are times I wish I never looked at Mike Webster’s brain. It has dragged me into worldly affairs I do not want to be associated with. Human meanness, wickedness, and selfishness. People trying to cover up, to control how information is released. I started this not knowing I was walking into a minefield. That is my only regret."

Welcome to America, Doc!

by ButteBronco on Oct 28, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

BB

I have been gathering data to discuss this in a post. However, It has been driven down in the priority pile as I have been occupied elsewhere. I would be interested in sharing some thoughts with you if you do post.
and Thanks again Doug for continuing to follow this subject.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gladwell article is extremely sobering

I am left in an extremely uncomfortable position of knowing that the sport that I love to follow is extremely damaging to its participants. It’s a dilemma, as aside from entertainment, football teaches many good things about life… teamwork, work ethics, perseverance, etc.

While preventing brain damage accumulated through a lifetime of football collision is difficult, as Gladwell points out, I think, at the very least, the NFL can do a better job of taking care of the old veterans who suffer the effects.

This is a very important topic that deserves more serious treatment than my little post here.

by BuckarooBanzai on Oct 28, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Gladwell article was all the more sobering because he generally drives me nuts. The comparison between football and dogfighting is as awkward as his previous comparison between reading mammograms and high-altitude bombing. It’s didactic, and it equates football fans with Nascar fans who like to see crashes. And that’s a crummy representation of Nascar fandom to begin with.

And yet when he plays it straight and just talks about concussions, even when he’s recycling the horrific Mike Webster story and Justin Strelczyk (I’d forgotten about him), it’s really damning. I don’t want to add football to the list of other things I do (flying, eating lots of red meat) in spite of the knowledge that they make the world a worse place. And yet even though I know physical and psychological problems likely await many of my favorite players down the road, I’ll be grinning ear to ear this Sunday when Ryan Clady absorbs multiple blows from 300-pound guys running into him.

by Chibronx on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marshall hosting Sports Soup?

That should be interesting. The regular host is a Denver boy, so I wonder if he had a hand in recruiting Marshall.

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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 28, 2009 10:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

LOVE the avatar

You blue yourself…

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by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 28, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

FWIW, did you know they finally pulled the trigger on a movie? I’m partial to failed magic jokes over the David Cross schtick myself, but it’s all so, so fantastic.

by Chibronx on Oct 28, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

YES!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

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by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great news if there ever was any.

It’s still my favourite show. I really hope they can do it justice in cinematic form because I used to (and still do) get belly aches from watching a single episode. Just crazy funny.

(Waits for secret lover to come down so he can make analrapist joke.)

"In the absence of truth..."

by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 28, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The W 8 Pointers Article

I really like our odds looking at those numbers. I know that rankings in terms of pure numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt….but given our rankings vs opponents as opposed to the Ravens Rankings vs. opponents. I love what I see, and I expect a win of at least 6 points.

7-0 HERE WE COME!!!!!

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by DenBronx on Oct 28, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Legwood article

The broncos have played against Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, and Tony Romo. That’s 4 quality qb’s in 6 games. Joe Flacco and Big Ben are good, but no better than the people in that list. How slow does news need to be for this article to be written?

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by SmokinJoeKO on Oct 28, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, we just need another baloon boy story to give these guys something to write about.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

On Baltimore Beatdown (Ravens) blog

they link to the Ravens official game notes and conclude this:

“Some great and encouraging stats that, for example, show our defense is tougher in the Red Zone than Denver’s and our offense is scoring at a much higher pace as well.”

I wondered if this was really true, since Denver’s RZ defense has been good, I thought, esp. 2nd halves. And they seemed to score okay.

So Baltimore avgs. 28 ppg and Denver 22, so that’s 6+ ppg for the Ravens, so that is a difference. And they’ve played a similar schedule (browns, NE, SD, Cincy) tho the Ravens have played fairly weak D’s in the other two, in the Chiefs and the Vikings.

But for Red Zone, according to this Denver’s red zone defense is actually better than the Ravens, as I suspected.

Am I wrong?

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Oct 28, 2009 6:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know about that, but here are some more stats

DEN 9th OFF; BAL 19th DEF

DEN 7th RUN; BAL 7th VS. RUN

DEN 13th PASS; BAL 23rd VS. PASS

DEN 17th PTS; BAL 19th PTS ALLOWED

BAL 5th OFF; DEN 2nd DEF

BAL 10th RUN; DEN 3rd VS. RUN

BAL 4th PASS; DEN 9th VS. PASS

BAL 5th PTS; DEN 1st PTS ALLOWED

BAL 12th TO/TA; DEN 4th TO/TA

BAL ALLOWED 309 YARDS RUSHING IN LAST TWO GAMES BEFORE THE BYE.

RAY LEWIS IS ON PACE FOR 141 TACKLES.

BAL HAS SCORED 31 PTS OR MORE IN 4-OF-6 GAMES.

ELVIS DUMERVIL HAS 2 SACKS OR MORE IN 4-OF-6 GAMES.

KYLE ORTON HAS 2 TD PASSES IN HIS LAST THREE STARTS.

DEN HAS ONLY SURRENDERED MORE THAN 20 PTS ONCE THIS SEASON

It appears to me that the Baltimore Beatdown crowd are only looking at stats that convince them that they will win. I believe there is a little more to that. I (and a few friends) have a post coming Thursday or Friday that analyzes their previous games, and you can decide for yourself how accurate (or hopeful) the folks over there are.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah that's what I think too

I mean I think it’s fair to say they’ve scored better than the Broncos, and both have played a lot of the same teams. But they seemed to be picking and choosing. If you look at defense and a lot of the other stats you post the Broncos either come out ahead or it’s pretty even.

Just wanted to make I wasn’t crazy or biased for thinking that. ;-)

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Oct 28, 2009 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha

you’re Crazy about the Broncos though.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

in order to win you have to outscore your opponent

If the bronco’s D let their opponents score 30 points the offense would have to play more aggressively and try to score more often. Right now we are not allowing teams to score very many points which means we can call the right plays and run the clock down.

I have no doubt that if needed Orton can score 30 plus points in a game (like we did vs SD) We just haven’t had to since our defense is doing its job.

by trumanj on Oct 28, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

hate him

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4601632

the answer to the last question just bugs me.

by trumanj on Oct 28, 2009 10:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Gad,

it’s as if he forgot KO’s winning record with the Chicago receivers. Simpleton. Well, time will change this guy’s tune, because, IMHO, KO is only 2-3 years away from being considered an elite QB by the majority of the football community.

by idahobronc on Oct 28, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs