Kyle Orton Shining Without 'The Glove'

by John Bena on Oct 28, 2009 11:50 AM MDT in Strictly My Opinion Comment 102 comments

More photos » by Chris Schneider - AP

No glove, no problem for Kyle Orton and the Broncos (AP Photo/ Chris Schneider )

There have been famous gloves throughout history. OJ Simpson's glove (If the glove don't fit, you must acquit) and Michael Jackson's glittery version. For the Broncos, it was Kyle Orton's signature model, and like OJ, he wasn't too fond of the glove.

Early on in the season, even though the team was winning, many were still critical of Kyle Orton. Forget the fact he was playing real, live football games in a new offense, that he hadn't thrown an interception or even that the Broncos were undefeated, those critical of Orton remained. People were wary of his pre-season performances and his supposed struggles against Cincinnati as warning signs that the Broncos would be a dink-and-dunk team - with no ability to get the ball down-field.

Personally, I withheld judgment. As we know, Orton sustained a gruesome injury to the index finger of his throwing hand during a pre-season defeat at the hands of the Chicago Bears (the last time the Broncos lost, btw). I have described this injury many times on MHR Radio just to drive the point home of how serious it was - the knuckle in Orton's finger-tip dislocated so badly that the bone tore through the skin.

It was the type of injury that many of us would stay home from out day jobs for - I work on a computer all day, how can I hunt and peck without the use of Mr. Pointer?

For Orton, it was different. After sitting out the final pre-season game against Arizona, #8 proved his toughness to me. With the wound stitched, and protected by a plastic sheath, padding and a thick glove, Orton played against Cincinnati just two weeks later. At that point I promised myself - and all of you - that no matter what happened I would wait until the glove came off to make any determination about Orton's performance. The index finger is the last to touch the football, so it would be unfair to judge Orton without seeing his play WITHOUT the glove as well.

So I waited. Orton wore the glove for 4 weeks to start the season, all Broncos wins. His numbers were good, especially the 4-0 part -

ATT	COM	%	TD	INT	RAT
117	69	59.0	5	0	97.8

Again, those numbers are pretty damn good, for a guy forced to throw the ball with a glove on(among other things) that he is clearly uncomfortable with. Now comes the past two weeks, against two quality opponents, sans glove -

ATT	COM	%	TD	INT	RAT
77	55	71.4%	4	1	103.7

I'd say Orton is much more comfortable, both in the offense and without the glove. In a way, it might be a blessing in disguise that Orton wore, and had success,with the glove. Sometimes, becoming good at something when doing it in an uncomfortable way makes you even better when the discomfort is removed. For Orton, it also means that should weather become a problem at any time this season he could feasibly go back to the glove.

Either case, I can feel confident that my initial feelings of Orton - fostered when he was a Boilermaker - were true. Kyle Orton has the brains and the ability to play quarterback in the NFL - when given the tools and coaching necessary to succeed.

Perhaps the most important asset to Orton is what he doesn't have - a glove.

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Great summary and rec'd

I was in the “wary” column initially, exactly as you put it. I wouldn’t say I was passing judgment yet, but I felt concerned, your mention of the “dink and dunk” definitely was there for me.

Thanks for putting together the numbers, John. It absolutely backs up what we’ve been seeing on the field (the eye test). His ability to not only get more zip on the ball, but clearly place it better in the receivers hands in evident and gives me a lot of confidence in the guy. His ability to continue to play, albeit with the glove and splint after such a gruesome injury, I’m sure, just gave him that much more credibility with the rest of the guys on that team, especially at a time when we are regularly hearing defenders saying they should put flags on QB’s.

KO is tough and a winner, and he’s just a good guy to root for, seems like a regular joe-type.

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by pubkeeper on Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Great post, John

During the first part of the season, Kyle Orton did what very few quarterbacks could have: played the quarterback position in the NFL with a badly dislocated finger.. AND won! This guy is not only smart and fearless, but damned tough as well.

Thanks, John for an invigorating post. Rec’d

Go Broncos!

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by hairybear on Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Another famous glove:

Gary “The Glove” Payton. What a defender, great player.

by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs

Yep,

I’ll second that. I still miss the Sonics.

Frito: What's the minus of thirty and twenty?
Joe: Uh, it's eighty. It's eighty billion dollars. That's a mighty big minus isn't it?
Frito: Yeah. I like money.

by OmahaCub on Oct 28, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

We got two first rounders for the Bears to GIVE us Orton.

Talk about a steal!

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by Tim Lynch on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

And

we got rid of Mr. Pout in the bargain.

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by bradley on Oct 28, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

But we had to give Chi a 5th to take hime

by Flunkie on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

+100 Zapynch!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

"A coach that believes in me"

Kyle has mentioned that several times about McDaniels. Living in Chicago, I saw first hand how he was treated here and I am just happy for him to get this opportunity. Amazing how much better you can play when you don’t have to look over your shoulder all the time (and you have more than 2 secs. to throw the ball!)

by madtown on Oct 28, 2009 12:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Definitely agree with your last sentence.

I found it admirable that McD stuck with him after that first preseason game when fans and pundits were calling for Orton’s head. Clearly, McDaniels saw something in Kyle that influenced him to stay with Orton. Look how that turned out. He has improved every game, because of Kyle’s intelligence and persistence in learning this system. McDaniels believed in him and kept him out there and Kyle has taken that opportunity and ran with it.

Like you said, having more than 2 seconds to throw is nice, too.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Count me in fellas

On all points…especially the more than 2 seconds to throw thing…see the Philli vs Wash game from Monday. UGH!

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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
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by sadaraine on Oct 28, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really do feel bad for Campbell.

Gruden raised a good point about the presnap reads and audibles, but at the same time, Campbell has to be TAUGHT those things. When you get a new coach every year, you can’t develop that comfort or knowledge of the system enough to make a proper audible. Campbell can’t know enough about the offense to make adjustments at the line and give his line the calls to pick up a blitz. This, in turn, affects his ability to make a play.

It makes me cringe every time I see him get nailed by a defender. He has skills and he could be a good QB, but he just doesn’t have the line or the coaching to do it.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

Along with the comfort of the healed finger Orton has said all along that its great to be in Denver because he is wanted. I remember when he was in Chicago, I could never figure out why he had such a bad name. I never thought he was great, but I didnt think he deserved what he got from his coaches, Does anybody think Rex Grossman is a better QB then Orton? Not anymore. I believe he plays harder because for the first time he doesnt have to worry about his coaches having no faith…

by Broncoferg on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

When the popular phrase was...

‘this is a great team despite Grossman’, I always wondered why no one then took the logical path down to talking about Orton…

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

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^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

SO...

If Cutler has a losing record with a better team in Chicago, what does it say about the miracle job that Kyle did there. 21 – 12 as a starter for the Bears.
A few of us tried to persuade the many, and I am glad that he has proved us right.
You dont lose skills like that from college….and you cant teach toughs and smarts!

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

As to why

they didn’t start Orton over Grossman after KO won 10 games as a rookie(a franchise record). You hit the right word…logical. Not much of that going on in the Windy City.

by rocko1 on Oct 28, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong focus

Orton himself said the glove was not that big a deal and I believe him. While perhaps a nuisance, the glove didn’t impede him, it was the injury.

by warmick on Oct 28, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

He did say that the glove

sometimes caused the ball to stick a little as he was releasing it. I think for the most part, though, he downplayed the effect of the glove because he doesn’t like to make excuses. Nonetheless, I think I can see a big difference, especially in his touch passes, since the glove came off. I doubt he would have had the control, with the glove on, to place the Scheffler TD pass as perfectly as he did.

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by spock on Oct 28, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree...

…Orton said exactly what he supposed to say about the glove, basically refusing to use it as an excuse for any bad passes (or lack of passes farther downfield). I wouldn’t have him answer any other way, but there’s just simple physics involved here – that glove changes the way the ball comes off his hand.

by ShawnDenver on Oct 28, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What do you expect him to say...?

Like I’ve said – break your finger, stitch it, wrap it, put a bunch of padding on it, a protective sheath, then a glove and see how you perform. It wasn’t just the glove – it is all of it – with the glove being the visual piece. Of course it is the injury – with the removal of the glove being proof that it is healed completely. I know what you are saying, but unlike most injuries where it hard to tell when someone is healed, the removal of the glove was symbolic – so that’s why the focus is there.

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by John Bena on Oct 28, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can’t argue with you there (but maybe another opportunity will arise?:)

by warmick on Oct 28, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention the Pain.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

To the Pain!

(obscure Princess Bride reference)

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Oct 28, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

"I'm not sure I'm quite familiar with that phrase."

(not nearly all that obscure, Bear) :-D

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 28, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Inigo Montoya

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mmmmm Robin Wright Penn....

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by HockeyHippie on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll speak slowly...

and use small words so you’re sure to understand, you warthog-faced buffoon.

"I certainly don't put myself in [Tom Brady's] class. He's probably the best quarterback to ever play this game. He's got the rings to show it. I didn't beat him. Our team beat the New England Patriots." --- Kyle Orton

by Sharpe as a Tack on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That may be the first time in my life a man has dared insult me

It wont be the last.

I could do this all day! :-)

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 29, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's funny how people's preconceptions color what they see

When Orton deliberately throws the ball away they see him missing the receiver badly, and this was especially evident during the first four games when, it seemed to me, he was allowing a little extra margin of safety. After all, he mentioned in one of his interviews that the ball stuck a little bit sometimes coming off his hand, and as safety-first as he is with the ball I can imagine the lengths he went to to MAKE SURE he didn’t inadvertently deliver it up to the enemy. Now that he’s comfortable and can make sure with a smaller absolute margin of safety his completion percentage has gone way up. The bromide about him throwing a weak, wobbly ball is also the result of preconceptions. After watching Orton and other quarterbacks it’s clear he puts a lot of zip on the ball when he wants to and throws a tight spiral, tighter than most, in fact. His fourth quarter QB rating speaks for itself. Right before our eyes we can see Orton becoming the kind of quarterback McDaniels knew he could be, and that many of us hoped he could be because we had learned to trust McDaniels’ QB evaluation and coaching. I say “becoming” because it’s also clear that he’s still getting better. Who knows how good he’s going to become?

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM MDT reply actions 9 recs

+1 spock and recorded. To add alittle,

I think we as fans still have that giddy/shellshock

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 28, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't let me finish before it posted itself...lol

Anyway we as fans the last couple of years have had,
that giddy/shell shock type of feeling where our qb is
concerned… ie waiting for the other ( football ) shoe
to drop, so to speak. Now that emotional roller coaster
is else where.
BTW nice read John, & Rec’d

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 28, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you thinking of a city in northern Illinois? :)

Ok, Ok, I’ll stop……

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by HockeyHippie on Oct 28, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This comment

will now turn as green as your blood.=)

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It took KaptainKirk to turn the comment spock, live long and....lol

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 28, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn straight Spock...the kids a winner...

Hes only 6 months older than Cutler and still a young QB….a;ways loved the guy as a player and stoked he is Bronco!

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

That is the good thing about him

Nobody ever mentions the fact that he is still young and has his whole career ahead of him and he is a smart winner already. Love what I see.

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by weazel on Oct 28, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

great article. I always had faith in Kyle. Even if he was going to stay in dink and dunk mode, I wouldn’t have minded, nothing like high probability passes with no turnovers. Besides, there are more ways to stretch the field than the long ball. Diverese game planning and a strong run game to name two. GO BRONCOS!!

by JarredBroncos88 on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Just ask Brian Griese :p

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orton's Arm Is Plenty Strong

Notice the high number of out patterns that Orton throws including:

1. The TD pass (with glove) to Moreno that Anthony Spencer whiffed on against the Cowboys.

2. The game winning TD (with glove) to BMarsh against the Cowboys – if it wasn’t on a rope Newman would have swatted it away.

3. BMarsh’s TD’s (w/o glove) against NE were both on sideline passes.

4. Even the Immaculate Deflection (w/glove) was a long out pattern that the DB fully extended and barely touched and deflected the ball to Stokley.

by ocbroncomaniac on Oct 28, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Four good arguments!

I spent a lot of time studying the Moreno TD pass in slo-mo, and the more I looked the more it seemed the ball was simply by Spencer before he was able to react. If it had been Cutler everybody would have raved about his velocity and how it made the completion possible. But since it was Orton people carped that he was lucky, that he should have gotten picked off. No doubt people will keep underestimating him all the way to the Super Bowl.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 28, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs

Thanks

I think it surprised Spencer more than anybody!

by ocbroncomaniac on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

2

Brandon pretty much picked that ball right off the top of Newman’s helmet, so I think you’re putting too much stock in his corner abilities. Right after the game someone on here pointed out that after BM caught it and especially after he missed the tackle he didn’t seem particularly inclined to pursue. Overrated, overpaid.

I completely agree with your overall point and the other three examples, but I don’t think this fits. The ball should’ve been a foot or maybe even two higher.

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

by Drizzt396 on Oct 28, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another myth

Look at the footage! The ball was not picked “right off the top of” anybody’s helmet. I never understood why people kept saying that. The corner’s arms are extended above his head and Brandon grabs the ball off his fingertips. I doubt that he (Marshall) could have reached much higher than he did.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 28, 2009 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

the Hail Mary pass that Randy Moss intercepted.

It went about 65 yards in the air . . .

BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Oct 28, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember the announcer (forgot who)

saying he doesn’t think Orton can throw it that far. I was laughing when he quickly realized he was wrong.

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by weazel on Oct 28, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Phil SImms!

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, that explains it.

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by weazel on Oct 28, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's just jealous and wants his son to be the starter................

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Arm strength

I think we should keep Orton’s long ball ability a Broncos secret as long as we can.

by opinion8r on Oct 28, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great recap

I realize now how much info I get and how good the analysis is here on MHR because I am jonesin’ big time for the same type of info on the Avs and it’s not there in the MSM…

by martian77 on Oct 28, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

So head over to Mile High Hockey!

by Gr3yStreet on Oct 28, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, been there... ;)

In football, you can talk endlessly about X’s and O’s, so there just doesn’t seem to be as much daily meat in the hockey coverage…you spend more time discussing a player’s abilities vs. strategy, similar to baseball and basketball and you talk more about what happened vs. what can happen. You can discuss a left wing lock in a two-player forecheck defense, but its a pretty short discussion because there aren’t enough chess pieces to work with. Its almost a discussion about technique as opposed to strategy. So, maybe its not a lack of coverage, but more rather, football offers a mental as well as a physical experience for coaches, players and fans. Which, of course, MHR and new media seems built to foster.

by martian77 on Oct 28, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

i love being the underdog.

What I question is the fact that they question Delhomme starting because he’s thrown 13 ints, but when Cutler throws 10 ints. “It’s the o-line’s fault!”

by CaliBronco20 on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs

me too!

;-)

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by underdog on Oct 28, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is the beginning of the media's love for Cutler

I swear they are going to treat him like Favre by acting as if Culter can’t do anything wrong.

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by weazel on Oct 28, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Get ready for it. Only after years of continual failure will doubters finally start to emerge.

by Sharpe as a Tack on Oct 29, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orton is a great QB.

As a Bears fan, I’ve loved Orton. He definitely has the toughness, as was apparent when he returned from his high ankle sprain last year with just one week off. He refused to use that as an excuse for his less-than-great second half of the year last year, but watching games you could see if effecting everything he did.

He said numerous times that he doesn’t like playing with a glove. At the end of our 2007 season, we played GB at home in an extremely cold game in which Favre dropped the ball repeatedly and cried about how cold he was. In that game, Kyle played great and opted to go no glove and said he’d rather be a little colder and have a better feel for the ball (although I’m pretty sure none of them had feelings in their hands at that point).

Anyway, that’s it. I really like Kyle and have become a closet Broncos fan with him on your team. I hope his success continues, as I thought it would have in chicago had he gotten his chance.

by lindemrm on Oct 28, 2009 1:19 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs

Thanks for the insight lindemrm.

It’s cool to hear about Orton as a Bear, every now and then.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's how I became a Broncos fan

I followed Craig Morton to the Broncos back in the day, and have never looked back. I have to wonder how many fans we will pick up this year, especially from Orton and Dawkins fans crossing over. Probably more than Chicago will gain from Cutler.

by ITPro on Oct 28, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess they got one...

by Velveeta on Oct 28, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO

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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Oct 28, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHA. If someone can find this guy, we need to get Guru to interview him on MHR radio.

I’d love to hear what he has to say for himself.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would love to go up to him

and say (somewhat sarcastically), “So, this McDaniels guy, I guess he kind of knows what he’s doing.”

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by weazel on Oct 28, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, indeed.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I was in Colorado, I'd totally go as that guy for Halloween.

by Velveeta on Oct 28, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

its mcgeorge in the picture, but dont judge

"never in my life have i been hit like that" - DJ victim

by chikndnnr on Oct 28, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

This guy seriously needs to be found and talked to

A guy with a point of view like that, I just want to get his opinion. I don’t really care to rub it in; I just want to figure out what he was/is thinking.

by Sharpe as a Tack on Oct 29, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I tune in just to watch Cuttler

Probably for the same reason a lot of people watch NASCAR, waiting for the wrecks! When Cuttler is hot he IS fun to watch.

by Flunkie on Oct 28, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like nascar................

Ricky Bobby doesn’t do it justice………..although, I do think that was a funny movie.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO best movie line for a comedy..............

“I get up in the morning, I PISS excellent.”

Ricky Bobby.

LOL so stupid it’s hilarious.

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by Broncofan on Oct 28, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Oct 28, 2009 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel like, when his team gets in a hole, Culter decides to put them on his back, and that’s when he starts tossing INTs. You gotta have faith in your team to come back, and with this years’ Broncos, the faith is justified. Orton’s level-headedness will keep us in the game where Cutler’s ego would have caused him to go into panic mode before the half.

by Orange Rush on Oct 28, 2009 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ironic because 6 is now how many wins we have, while 0, our loss count, is the chance that this fan has of seeing his will carried out.

by Orange Rush on Oct 28, 2009 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can count me in that group.

by khamer on Oct 28, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apreciate the thoughts, lindemrm.

by CaliBronco20 on Oct 28, 2009 3:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Dont forget too

That a couple months ago orton was booed during a scrimmage!!!!! The guy has put up through a lot during his career. Everywhere he was in the pros ppl hated him. Most players would have cracked by flipping out on the fans, or by just quitting. Orton has proved to me he embodies everything a QB should be. Imagine if cutler wentthrough what orton did? I think hed actually cry or scream or somethin foolish

by DBroncs1414 on Oct 28, 2009 1:47 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Ya, the booing really pissed me off.

I couldn’t believe, especially in a preseason game. I doubt many of the MHR faithful in attendance were booing, but the fact Bronco fans were booing greatly disappointed me. I guess I had high idealistic hopes folks would cut him a little slack, new system, new coaches, new teammates, etc.

Nice to see it’s all worked out.

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Drinkin' the orange kool-aid since the day McDaniels was hired.
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by HockeyHippie on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Preseason???

I went to the Cleveland game. The first home game of the regular season and heard people booing Orton at Halftime. AND WE HAD THE LEAD. Made me sick and ticked me off. I don’t usually say things about others negative opinions but I couldn’t keep my mouth shut. I hollered loudly “Would you rather we were losing”. Don’t know if it did any good but my wife got a kick out of it and the people in my general area got the point!!! LOL

by Broncos or Bust on Oct 28, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

They also booed Pat Bowlen when he came out to induct Shannon into the ring of fame.

Made me sick. :-( Stupid Boo Birds. Total disrespect.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 28, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orton is becoming a cult hero and my first Broncos jersey is an 18.....hes like a REAL LIFE version of Shane Falco!

by boydy2669 on Oct 28, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly........Thats who he reminds me of.

Our new DOOMesday Defense!!!! YOU LIKE??????????????

by Broncofan on Oct 28, 2009 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

good call

"never in my life have i been hit like that" - DJ victim

by chikndnnr on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great job Guru!

This guy can straight up play.

"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno

Knowshon Moreno=ROY

by stedtfeld on Oct 28, 2009 2:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

It's exciting

We still haven’t seen this offense have the kind of game it’s capable of. This would be a great week for them to take that big step forward.

Orton protects the ball better then anyone I can ever remember seeing. How about you guys, does anyone come to mind? That’s what I’ve been most impressed with, he never tries to force it. I don’t believe that most Quarterbacks can do that and still be effective. They have to take some chances like no risk no reward. But Orton seems to be able to ignore that adage. Does that make any sense?

by Lisa FB on Oct 28, 2009 2:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

“Orton hears a boo!” was getting annoying.. Now it’s “Orion hears a WooHoo!”

by CaliBronco20 on Oct 28, 2009 2:56 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

Smooth, suave and debonair, these all define what Kyle Orton is, along with "tough"!

And did I mention…he likes “Jack” and coke.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 28, 2009 3:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

That does it . . .

Anybody who likes “Jack D” is a man after my own heart . . .

BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Oct 28, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

by bfree2bronc on Oct 28, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Covering up for Cutler...

Has anybody noticed the great lengths the MSM has gone to cover up Cutler’s poor play this season? This past weekend, Jay threw three picks and fumbled two snaps. I’ve searched all over the internet trying to find an MSM article that’s focused on Cutler’s horrendous performance Sunday, but couldn’t find a single one. There’s plenty of blogs and stuff about it, but nobody from the MSM has taken a good shot at Cutler for not living up to expectations. All I hear about is Chicago’s defense, offensive line, or lack of offense in general. Yet, I hear nothing about Cutler playing like a mediocre quarterback. He definitely won’t make the Pro Bowl this year. I don’t understand why there’s such a huge cover-up. Why not get straight to the point, and question Cutler’s performance since he’s been in Chicago. I’m happy we got Kyle. Good riddance to Cutler, and the excuses he always had for his poor play. Every time I see Jay in a press conference, he’s blaming everybody but himself for his crappy throws. Anyways, just a thought. Go Broncos!!!

by danielsanchez06 on Oct 28, 2009 7:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Cutler and MSM world view

This is just off the top of my head, but is it because the MSM are elitists? They’ve disliked Orton from the word “go.” It’s as if they view him as an Iowa hayseed. Meanwhile, Cutler is a Vanderbilt man, with the type of skills that are quantifiable, e.g., throwing distance, velocity. A guy like Cutler conforms with beliefs by MSM members that the world consists of elites and plebes. MSM types don’t really believe in intangibles, such as the high value of good character. For the MSM to recognize failure by someone like Cutler would threaten their world view.

by oorange blood on Oct 28, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Today's Horse Tracks

see “CR – Cutler hasn’t performed up to expectations in Chicago – Steve Doerschuk”

by Endzone on Oct 28, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty sure it's because Cutler's crappy performance

was not near as bad as out Defense played.

by lindemrm on Oct 28, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another Bears refugee...

Hi from the Hoosier state. I’d like to introduce myself… I’m a dislocated Bears fan looking for a home and I believe I’ve found one in the Broncos. I’ve been a closet Broncos fan for the entire season, holding out hope that I may soon return to my own team, but with each passing week, I find myself rooting that much more for the Broncos. Kyle Orton is my quarterback and I’ve followed him over. I can’t believe I’m admitting this as I am also a IU fan, (For those of you out West — Hoosiers don’t root for Boilers) but if you really care about your football team, Neckbeard KO will do that to you. He basically forces you to root for him because is a.) a good guy b.) a good quarterback c.) a PROVEN winner. I’ve watched in agony over the past few years as the Bears refused to acknowledge Orton as the winner he is and I was forced to watch Grossman. I tolerated him knowing eventually he would be exposed as a fraud and, ultimately, he still was an OK guy, just not a good football player. Now that we have a punk, (Literally… I mean, the guy is as arrogant as they come and he doesn’t even have a .500 record as a starter in the NFL) I just can’t do it anymore. I just can’t root for him. He will be getting something like $10 mil. a year to apathetically mope around while he continues to put up mediocre stats where it counts the most — in the W-L column. Anyway, just introducing myself as a new Broncos fan. I hope it is temporary as I hope the Bears wake up very soon and get rid of Cutler (I know, that won’t happen for at least 2 1/2 more years, if ever) so I can root for them again, but as long as Cutler is the quarterback of the Bears, I will continue to pledge allegiance to KO and the Broncos. You guys should feel lucky as you got a heck of a football player and an even better leader. Enjoy him, he really will do great things now as it looks like he finally has a coach that will give him a chance.

BTW… all those noodle arm comments stem from the playcalling in Chicago, not Orton’s abilities. Believe me, the playcalling immediately got conservative when Orton came in the game as compared to when Grossman was in the game. I guess when you are labeled a certain way from the beginning, it is difficult to overcome that label, however untrue it may be. And I think we can all agree that the receiving corps he had in Chicago was pathetically undermanned. I can’t tell you how many darts and otherwise throws that were on the money over the past few years were dropped because he never had receivers who could catch. Again, this coming from as big of a Bears fan as they come. Glad to see what he can do now with the great offense around him.

by Neckbeardforpresident on Oct 28, 2009 8:06 PM MDT reply actions 5 recs

Concur

Welcome in. It’s nice to hear from people who appreciate this guy.

I figured there must be some Bears fans who could see what was going on.

by oorange blood on Oct 28, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

and ANOTHER Bears refugee...

As a life long Bears fan and Purdue alum, I was happy for both parties when I heard that Kyle got drafted by Chicago. I had watched him in college be as impressive and smart with the ball as he has been this year. I also remember that he’d call just the right audible to take advantage of whatever the defence threw at him. Heck, he was a heisman hopeful until he got injured (though he played through it for us, same as he did with his finger this year.) I watched in horror as the coaches and most fans judged and labeled him incorrectly as this “G.M.” (you know the two words I’m refusing to use here) before he ever had a chance to practice with his offence in practice and pre-season. I mean come on, how much time to they devote to the 3rd string rookie? I can’t say I predicted rookie Orton would go on to become a pro-bowl player necessarily, because most qb’s don’t, no matter how high they are drafted. You never know what you’ve got until you try the guy out. I knew Kyle had as good a chance as anybody, and it sucked that the Bears weren’t willing to let him use the whole playbook and see. So because he wasn’t allowed to throw the deep ball in Chicago, all of a sudden he “can’t.”

I like this new coach. I like Orton. I like to root for the underdog. I like how they have a sign up that reads “Do your job,” or something to that effect. Orton has won no pro-bowl yet, but at least the Broncos are leaving that up to him to decide. I’ll be following the Broncos for the rest of this year, as it’s way more fun than watching the Bears squander the talent they have.

Lastly, ESPN and other websites can tell you a qb’s rating, win-loss ratio, yards, tds, ints, completion %, longest completion, sacks, years of experience, college he went to, height, weight, age, birthplace, and more. One thing I’ve never seen however, is an “Arm Strength Rating” or even something that says how far he can throw. So I’d really like to know where reporters are getting their information when they talk about Kyle Orton’s supposed lack of arm strength, or any other qb’s arm for that matter.

by bmdavi3 on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coaching

NBFP – welcome. Just wondering if you’ve come to appreciate McDs coaching as well – maybe that will inspire you to STAY a Broncos fan because the future looks so bright!!

Still got your Creedence...

by OutOfYourElement on Oct 28, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's OK to be a Broncos fan and Bears fan...

Two different conferences. As long as we don’t share the same Super Bowl together. I’m a Broncos fan first and a 49ers fan second and it’s cool, as long as they don’t go to the Big game together, then all bets are off…Go Broncos!

by bfree2bronc on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like we got a heck of a good football fan out of it.

Welcome Neckbeardforpresident.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Oct 28, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Welcome man, great to have you!

by boydy2669 on Oct 29, 2009 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Problem with the Gloves

was that they suppressed Ortons power fists.

How do you keep the Broncos Humble?
"Just show them the film. Show them the film." - Josh McDaniels

by Kfustud on Oct 28, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Horton is Win!

From HorvilTiki.com

by Velveeta on Oct 28, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Talk to the Hand.....

The glove removal has come a just the right time. Not only is Kyle more comfortable physically throwing the ball, but he’s also become more comfortable with Denvers offensive system, and his receivers. (Anyone notice Marshall catching more balls?) And all this behind what is probably the best offensive line in the NFL. This has got to be vexing opposing defensive coordinators. He’s always thrown a tight crisp pass, but now they are also right on the money. Just food for thought: As Kyle’s become more comfortable with Denver…..Denvers’ become more comfortable with him.

by deepwater on Oct 28, 2009 8:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs