I HATE Lamont Jordan
Sorry but i do. Ever since we chose him over Darius Walker i have been pissed. He's fat and slow. The only thing he can do is catch and pass block. I can't believe Hillis is being put on the bench for this guy! Hillis is twice the athlete. Did you see Hillis jump over that guy last year after he caught the ball out of the backfield? SERIOUSLY!! I am really worried that Lamont is going to be rotating with Knowshon this weekend. Hillis should be in there running with a zone blocking scheme when he spells Knowshon. Cmon. Can anyone disagree that Lamont should be ahead...of anyone! I love what the coach has done and i was a guy that said we could go 8-8 (which is low now). But i have never been down on the team and or the coach save one. The fact that he picks less qualified patriot players over average shanny players kinda pisses me off.
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It's not a shanny vs. Patriot thing mcDah
It’s the comfort level he has with Jordan that he will not make mistakes. I completely agree with you that Hillis is the superior athlete but he also has a fumble and a couple of bad penalties. Hillis will get his reps before the seasons over, Mcdaniels has acknowledged his value several times. Mcd could care less if a player is a former “shanny” player or not. Did you see his presser from yesterday?
"as in football so in life"
agreed
Mistake free football seems to be the overridding theme with McD. Not much of a Jordan fan myself, but he does certain things very well … that is where he is used. Peyton is a young player that got slammed into a role last year and showed a lot of tallent. This year he has to take a step back and get some of that coaching that he did not get last year. With Buck likely down this week I imagine that Peyton is getting A LOT of coaching and will likely see more snaps than Jordan if he responds well.
Read your own post
You are talking about something Hillis did “LAST YEAR”. Hillis has not impressed me in the LEAST this year and has actually disappointed me quite a bit…example: blocking in the back penalty vs Cowboys.
Now, I’ll be going nuts for the guy as much as anyone if he gets to run the rock and bowls some people over, but I haven’t seen that from Hillis CONSISTENTLY yet this season. He had flashes in the pre-season, but then he’d get stuffed on the next play.
Jordan may not be a great back now, but he is a solid back-up with lots of football smarts. I have faith that he can do his job if they call his number…especially since McDaniels won’t be calling his number to do something he’s not capable of.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Hey now, McDah (I'm questioning your handle, BTW)...
You’re not a personnel guy in the NFL, are you?
There’s a reason Darius Walker CLEARED waivers. Its because the rest of the NFL didn’t think he was really worth a roster spot either. LaMont is a vet, knows his role, plays hard, does all of the little things right, and knows the playbook inside and out. He is also a good runner, blocks very well, can break tackles, and isn’t afraid to get the dirty yards.
I’m sorry that you pine for a player with flashier open field running skills. Maybe you’d be happier with Darren McFadden or DHB.
Hillis hasn’t done anything to convince me that he’s not just a special teamer or fullback this year. Last year, in a completely different system, he had a good stretch of games (especially versus KC, but I’m pretty sure I could have had a good game against KC last year).
Using the word ‘hate’ is ludicrous. How can you hate someone you don’t know? Unless you’re Charley Casserly or a some retired personnel guy, I will assume you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Being a Broncos fan doesn’t mean you have to like all of our players, but it does mean that you have to trust the personell team and the head coach, espeacially after a 4-0 start. I think they know WAY more than you do when it comes to a player and his roster spot.
Um, yes
If you are saying would I rather have a healthy McFadden on the Broncos as opposed to Jordan. Yes. You seriously wouldn’t?
BTW, I agree Hillis has to clean it up so I am fine with Jordan getting carries until Hillis becomes who I think most of us here think he can be.
+1
For the record, I’d take a healthy McFadden over Jordan, but back to the actual situation at hand…Jordan vs Hillis today.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I would understand Jordan...
for this week…but I am hoping for Hillis because I just want to believe he will have his issues worked out.
Yep
I need to see it though…he doesn’t deserve it just because we all got man-crushes on him last year. He just isn’t up to par yet this season. I do hope he gets it going soon though…I think he’s a very potent weapon in our game if he plays well.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Chill.
I would mostly just like to ditto sadaraine and super7 here.
Lamont is contributing to make our team better. Let’s get behind him.
Hillis and Walker will get their touches before the season is over.
I couldn't disagree more
Jordan is a solid vet that seems to be contributing well. He had a couple nice runs on Sunday. However, my favorite thing about Jordan is, whenever they show McD on the sidelines, Jordan is standing next to him almost every time. He seems to be enamored with this young coach, and based on some of his comments he’s been a huge part of the
lockerroom buying into what Josh is selling. He’s the type of positive lockerroom guy that will be key to this team’s success this year.
If Buck’s hurt, Jordan will get carries before Hillis, and if he’s ineffective we’ll see plenty of Hillis, don’t worry. Hillis has been playing poorly this year. I’m bummed about it as much as anyone, but that’s a fact.
Jordan
A lot of the time Jordan is in there running cleanup. When the game is in hand and the other team just wants the ball and knows Denver is going to run. In these situations Jordan grinds out possitive yards and doesn’t turn over the ball. He’s doing his job!
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
+1
Jordan does a very good job of holding onto the ball. When the Broncos want to salt away the clock, who’s going to actually get positive yardage when there are 8 in the box? Walker or Jordan? The answer is pretty simple…
If you’d prefer to have someone like Darius Walker or Anthony Alridge (last year’s pipsqueak back of choice) running the ball in the 4th quarter to protect a lead, then you are going to see some fumbles and blown games. Knowshon and Buckhalter aren’t options because you don’t want to risk injury…
by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 6, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't like Jordan either
Mostly because he played for the faders. But Hillis is our only reasonable option at fullback with Spencer Larsen out so it is tough to give him too many carries without risking an injury that hurts the team badly. It just isn’t worth the risk the way I see it
Walker won't see the field
Unless a catastrophic injury happens to Moreno or Buck. Hillis has no place in this offense and they should have tried to deal him over the summer.
Jordan knows the offense and is a mentor to Moreno more than anything else. I don’t really care how he produces in his minuscule amount of touches, though I guarantee he would have gotten that first down on 4th and 1 Sunday.
I didn't read through the comments, but I am sure this has already been addressed.
When you try to change a culture within an organization, you need reliable veteran guys that can help CHANGE that culture. Lamont Jordan is one of those guys. He is also effective when we are trying to pound the rock to close a game out. Knowshon, Hillis, et al will benefit from learning from Jordan on just professionalism and how to carry about your business within a WINNING organization.
Lamont is playing a critical role in the culture changing McD is trying and succeeding in implementing in Denver.
From a Me-First to a Team-First mentality. I like it and I am glad Jordan is on our football team this year.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
I hope you were being tongue in cheek with your poll question
because it struck as one of those “Do you still beat your wife?” type questions.
There are players that I have questions about why they’re on the team, but that has to more to do with my not understanding the plan McDaniels has for them than anything about the player himself.
Jordan has never particularly impressed me, but I see the importance of having him do what he’s doing — mentoring younger players in the offense, demonstrating a strong work ethic and team-first attitude, etc.
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Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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Count me as also disagreeing
Lamont is not showing quickness, sometimes not even power, but he is also not being asked to carry often. His role has been nicely addressed in the comments. Lets worry about something other than the last RB on the depth chart (at least in terms of carries).
Let's look at at another perspective.
Opponents this year probably have schemed their plan around Hillis after watching what he did last year as a back-up and the old switch-eroo had them second guessing. The stretch down the road gets tougher and tougher and teams will start to relacks their planning against him and conscentrate on something else. Hillis will get his reps.
again....
none of these mistakes that you are talking about happened while he was a running back. they were all on special teams. they are using him wrong! i know i said LAST year. in case you forgot shanny, not a moron. he used hillis very well and knew how to do it. we can learn from anyone not just belicheck. use hillis with the zone blocking not right at the line he runs better this way, down hill. cmon old slow lamont. not impressed. im open minded and yeah maybe he could be a good backup that doesn’t make mistakes but hillis could be a good thunder with knowshon lighting.
naggana happen
Denver’s offense isn’t going to put plays in just to get Hillis’ hands on the ball. That’s VERY far down on the priority list.
Sure, he’ll get touches, but he won’t likely ever be featured like he was for a stint last year. Remeber, Denver’s top 3 or 4 or 5 guys had to be on the sideline before Hillis got that number of carries, so even on Shanny’s team, Hillis wasn’t SUPPOSED to be featured.
Your argument seems to be more pro-Hillis than anti-Jordan. Your “hate” (I think you’d take that word back) for Jordan is directly tied to Hillis losing out on carries.
Lerts also remember than CBuck and Knoshon are the 2 best RBs Denver has, everyone else is down depth chart and shouldn’t get more than a few carries late in the game or due to injury, so we’re quabbling over the depth chat, which is a good thing!
If you make mistakes on ST...
What’s to say you won’t do the same at RB? Sure, there’s a different skill set and different set of responsibilities. Still, we don’t want guys who can only do one thing — think of a WR who gets good stats but is lousy at blocking. That doesn’t make the team as a whole better: it just makes his stat line better because they are forced to throw more often since the running game is missing a crucial piece.
I get the feeling that you wouldn’t “hate” Jordan half as much if he were from the Ravens (or anyone else besides the Pats). That’s a logical fallacy of the first degree if it’s true, and not really worth giving serious consideration to as a response.
Jordan is used for one thing in McDaniels’ offense: grinding out the clock. He is a guy who gets reliable yards (although not gaudy ones) and doesn’t fumble the football. Hillis, especially given his lapses on ST, might be one who would try to do too much in those situations. Actually, I retract something: Jordan is also good for locker-room chemistry. That is an intangible effect that is hugely significant and extends to the whole team. If McDaniels were to bench Jordan in favor of Hillis, not only would it threaten that effect, it would also send a message that you can get a starting spot based on potential instead of results — which undoes all the progress with Marshall or anyone in a similar situation.
Finally, I think you’re getting a little confused. I can’t say with certainty, but I would bet serious money that I can count on one hand the number of times that Jordan has taken carries away from Hillis in situations other than in the 4th quarter with a lead. McDaniels’ depth chart means very little; he is situational more than anything else.
In the end, it comes down to this: late in the 4th quarter with a lead, would you rather give the ball to a reliable guy who you know will not turn it over and who will get you a solid chance at extending your time of possession, or would you give it to a guy who has had a tendency to play a little reckless but is more likely to break off a big play? Honestly, to me there isn’t even a contest.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Oct 6, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
We were in a very different RB situation last year...
The coaches saw Hillis every day in practice (2008) and no one said “get this guy on the field”! His opportunity for playing time came from all of our RB injuries. They probably saw what we are now seeing, fumbles, questionable decisions, etc. Yeah, he hits like a mad man, but…
Also, this year we have a 1st round RB, so a much different situation…
super7, you beat me to the punch!!
-1 for hating a guy who ran for 14 on two carries on Sunday,
and -2 for using a leading question for the poll, I don’t hate Jordan, and for the record I never beat my wife. I don’t really like Jordan as a featured back, but he was practically made for the end of the game protect the lead type of role. It has taken 4 weeks to get Marshall to where he was on Sunday, there is still time for Hillis to work his way into some games.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
feeling better
im feeling a little better about jordan. i think what you said is right. i don’t hate jordan. i love to pull for hillis and to have a guy that i don’t feel like is as good in there torks me off. yeah in the grand scheme it really doesn’t matter. everything is going great why get mad about the 3 and 4 man on the depth chart at RB? that’s why i love going to this site you guys remind me of things that i havn’t thought of. thanks
by mcDah on Oct 6, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Nice retraction
You have lots of gumption mcDah. Most guys wouldn’t change perspective and come out and say it like that. +1
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
by sadaraine on Oct 6, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The key stat:
Jordan has only lost 4 fumbles his entire career. He has lost only 2 over the past 6 seasons.
Mike Nolan is my hero.
Hillis has only carried the ball 72 time for his career
and he lost one on the KO return this season. Jordan has lost 2 over his last 600+ carries.
I get your point, I just don’t think it’s a travesty that he’s seeing time over Hillis.
Mike Nolan is my hero.
I should add that I think Hillis is capable of being a far better back than Jordan
but he hasn’t shown it in games this year, and his lack of playing time leads me to believe he hasn’t shown it in practice, either.
Mike Nolan is my hero.
re: Jordan
Jordan suffered through several injuries during camp, and this affected his performance during the pre-season and (somewhat) during the first four games of the regular season.
The Broncos coaching staff isn’t stupid, despite the fact that this accusation was often made during the off-season. Jordan is better than we’ve seen and he’s also very capable in important although underrated aspects of the game — ball security, pass blocking, and receiving ability.
It’s hard to have confidence in his ability since we’ve yet to see it, but the coaching staff didn’t keep him out of faith. We simply haven’t seen the runner who produced all those career stats yet. An added thought — our OL has suffered numerous problems in the late pre-season and early regular season. Some of this was due to injury but some is from the scheme change, along with a combination of both. We haven’t seen the OL at their best and I expect that they’ll find their groove as the season proceeds. Jordan needs a couple steps to get up to speed and he hasn’t had that very often so far.
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He's more of a running backs coach...
Than a player. He knew the system and probably is serving as a great mentor to Knowshon. He’ll get mop up duty and get three yards a carry so we can punt it away on 4th. That’ll save our backs. I don’t think a 3rd RB is really supposed to be anything other than an extreme situation spell back.
If Moreno, and Buck both go down, you’ll probably see some free agent activity. I don’t think Jordan contributes anything in terms of physical ability, but he prepares hard, makes an example for younger players, and makes those that are on the field, better.
by legendarywalton on Oct 8, 2009 11:09 AM MDT reply actions

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