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At risk of bringing sore subjects back to the surface I feel the need to work out some of the fleeting thoughts about the season so far.  I love to hear the players talking about that they have not done anything special at this point and must strive to improve at all phases of the game during the remainder of the season.  It is so refreshing to hear the "we" response and not the" I".  I was outraged as things progressed during the Cutler debacle, but grew ever resentful as every day passed when Cutler refused to play along.  As a former athlete and coach I have always embraced the team concept.  I reminded my players and my own kids during their athletics endeavors that the name on the front is more important than the back. I will always take a Rod Smith over a T.O., guys like Rod bring out the best in those around them which make the team better.  How fun has it been to watch this team evolve and develop into what they are to date? 

 

When McDaniels wanted Cassel, I was shocked that he would want to trade for him.  In retrospect I believe my first reaction was the cost to get Cassel versus the low investment in Cutler.  After watching the last four games I can better understand why he felt the way he did.  Now before you get after me let me explain my thought process.  1) Jay was never going to be satisfied to play things conservative or close to the vest so to speak.  It wasn't a knock on Jay's ability it was the fact of a different system was going to be implemented. 2) This is not a knock on Orton, while he is not Jay, the other side has to be when he isn't playing like Jay ie; stupid interceptions.  Orton has been what was needed for this system to progress.  I truly believe it is a very difficult system to grasp and run effectively, and in the end the Broncos will be a much better team for it.  Orton has been what McDaniels wanted in the first place, as the season continues Orton will get better and better.  His finger is injured, if you think that injury isn't a factor go stick your pointer finger in the freezer for about 5 min and then go throw the football.  3) With these things in mind we go back to Cassel, while he doesn't look like a 16 Mil QB, he is adjusting to a new system for a new coach and coordinator.  If McDaniels had been sucessful getting Cassel, he would have brought  with him a year of knowledge running this system.  Like him or not isn't the question here it comes down to the ability to run the system and do what McDaniels wants done.  While the ooh and ah's have been predominately on the defensive side of the ball, I firmly believe Orton and company will bring the wow back to the offense during the remaining games.

 


Mike Shanahan helped bring home two Trophies to Dove Valley, for which all Broncos fans who watched the previous attempts with sadness and heart ache can only thank him for.  But like all things in life there comes a time to move on, it is never fun but in the long run it is better for all involved.   Shanahan will move back to the sidelines somewhere and will bring life back to a program needing a kick start just like the Broncos needed this year.  McDaniels will not be liked by some just because he is young.  Others will not like him for Chasing off Jay Cutler, and he comes from the Belichick method of coaching.  I too was concerned when he first came here, but those concerns have dissipated during the last months.  I was afraid that we would inherit another Mangini or Wiess, that was the part that scared me the most.  During the first few interviews I became more afraid, but in fairness to McDaniels he had to feel like an accused witch during the Salem witch trials, you knew the outcome no matter what you said.  Watch McDaniels during the press conference's and then watch some of the coaches that he has worked with.  I get the feeling that McDaniels is on the level with you, while he may not tell everything about his players but who would?  The others make you think that nothing they say is genuine in the least, the hooded one makes you recoil in horror as you doubt the man has any sincerity.

 

If the Broncos can finish off the next two games with a win then he will have stuck a fork into the MSM, The Belicheats and the Norv's.  While he may say that he doesn't care what those outside of the building have said,  deep down he has to care a little bit.  The little smirk he gets when they ask him those question speaks volumes to me, it sure looks like in his mind he is giving  the number one sign to all those who doubted him and questioned his abilities to lead a team ( Mr. Clayton I think you know who I mean) .  McDaniels went out and got the best coaches and players available to make this team what it is today.  Oh and by the way Tom and Philip you might want to put some extra padding in those uniforms cause the Orange Crush boys are back in town!!

 

I apologize for any grammatical errors or spelling errors, it has been 25 years since college that I had to write something like this, but it was kinda of fun and nerve racking at the same time looking forward to your thoughts and idea's.  Thanks for your time.  One final thought Thanks Mr. Bowlen while we all might have thought you weren't thinking clearly, you and your staff knew you might have found something special Kudo's!!

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McD never wanted Cassell. You lost all credibility right there. It went downhill from there.

by Endzone on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you actually read the rest of his column?

I think you can forgive the Cassell error. The rest of what he said is awesome. I think it was a great post. I especially love the shout out to Bowlen for hiring McDaniels. Short Term Memory Loss affecting his judgement – my a$$!

To hrlybuzz: Rec’d

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 6, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Speaks out of both sides of his mouth

When McDaniels wanted Cassel

If McDaniels had been sucessful getting Cassel

Others will not like him for Chasing off Jay Cutler

the hooded one

The little smirk he gets

unrec’d

What? You rec (meaning required reading for the rest of MHR) this because he eventually gives credit to Bowlen? Snarky comments like “the hooded one” and “the little smirk” are OK with you? Repeating patently false statements like McDaniels wanted Cassell and chased off Jay Cutler are OK with you? And not just OK but you REC it?

by Endzone on Oct 6, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you do not know me enough for that Endzone

If you don’t like it fine that doesn’t bother me one bit. But do not take my words and turn them around to justify yourself . You want to take me to task do it, but don’t dance around. Why did those remarks offend you so! What makes you the final word on what McDaniels wanted or didn’t want, I gave you a theory of thoughts not a investigation nor did I claim to know it as absolute truth. For you information I think Cutler left on his on accord and I don’t miss his attitude one bit. Did you not read any comments some fans made about not liking McDaniels because they thought he chased Cutler off? I don’t like Belichick at all and I don’t apologize for that one bit, I will call him the hooded one if I want. I have enough training to read the body language of a dishonest person during his interviews and that is what the hooded one does. Josh in my opinion gets a little smirk when the media tries to grill him what is so wrong with me saying that! What is up about the patently false statements this is a forum not a deposition, last I knew this is where you can go to state your opinion and someone not taking them as facts. I get the feeling that you want to be an agitator and not engage in a conversation about this topic I was addressing.

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Reveal Yourself

I’m not dancing around. I told you how you lost credibility. You just called Coach McDaniels a liar: Is that so hard to understand?

I have enough training to read the body language of a dishonest person during his interviews and that is what the hooded one does.

Well, aren’t you special? In other words, McDaniels is just like Belichick…a liar. McDaniels SAID he did not try to trade for Cassell and in fact did NOT trade for Cassell. What more do you want? Do you want his head on a pike? To strip naked and throw ashes on himself and recant his statements? It doesn’t take a mind reader pretending to know…it’s what the man said!!! But McD is guilty by association with Belichick, who of course because of your training you recognize as a liar, when you repeat the lie.

Your words do not need any turning. They are false and misleading. It is rife with logical fallacies. MHR is where opinions are based on facts, not on scandalous lies and innuendo. This article is a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” piece where the happy-wappy surface read lures you away from it’s content.

Remind me again…what is the topic? Oh yeah…McDaniels is a liar but it’s OK because he brought in some good coaches and Bowlen is mentally challenged and was rescued by his staff. You are absolutely right. I will not engage in any conversation that is premised on McD being a liar.

by Endzone on Oct 6, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe you are being too hard on him E.

Sure we know McDaniels intertained a thought regarding Cassel that’s common knowledge and I for one don’t blame him. Cutler as buzz mentioned would never ever get on board with what McDaniels want to bring and do, we all know that or we should just by watching Cutler’s actions. McDaniels is about builbing a winner here in Denver and has no time for indecisiveness. I don’t mind the hoodie thing and he (McDaniels) has stated he brought what he learned in NE (eight years) with him, and he should. I believe he will eventually spinkle his own brand on it, but he had to start with something. We all contribute on this great site in one form or another and I for one am no scholar nor am I a football statistition or analyse. I like alot of other folks come here for some conversation and knowledge of the great sport we love.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 6, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I called Belichick dishonest in some of his interviews

I wasn’t going to respond to your B.S, but you are calling me a liar and are spreading falsehoods about what i was saying. I am not sure what your issues are because they are not based in any realities of what I stated. I stated that McDaniels does not do that when he gives an interview like his former boss does, so I never once stated that he does you are reading your bias into what I said to prove your own beliefs. My statement about McDaniels wanting to get Cassell and what the advantages of doing that would have been was an offered theory, no where did I proclaim that to be any else but that. Opinion is just that, it is not stated fact! Credibility just became your issue with not being able to understand a thought turned into an opinion because it doesn’t match your ideal. I suppose I could talk about the training recieved about reading writen statements and ascertaining personalities and problems with the writer but you wouldn’t like it. Another fact for you there was talk about Mr. Bowlen having lost his mind their words not mine, and I mearly stated that he was right on the money to hire McDaniels and not retain Shanahan. Get that facts right, actually I have another Idea why don’t you give me some background information on you so I can see if I am wrong about you. What is your formal training, how does it relate to this website, are you a coach, former player or have inside information petinent to this post. Maybe your knowledge exceeds my own, maybe I can learn something from you, I try to keep an open mind with someone else thought and idea’s even if I disagree with him, so why don’t you give it a try!!

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're totally reading it wrong

He called Bellicheck the hooded one, not McD. He says that McD gets a smirk when he’s being grilled by the media, especially now that the team has proven itself, and that smirk almost represents the finger to the MSM.

He also says that he was concerned when he was hired, but now thinks it’s a great move for the organization.

And yes, I rec’d it, and I’m not the only one. TEN other people have felt the same way. BTW, if someone has something intelligent to say and doesn’t resort to profanities or name calling, lots of people will rec it. Heck, even McGeorge was rec’d. Settle down and read it again, he’s not bashing anyone except maybe Bellicheck.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 6, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you busting his butt because you disagree with him?

It’s about time to call off the inquisition of all people who do not view the Cutler trade in the same light as you or anyone else does.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Oct 6, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

omg

i bet you dont read the recipe before starting to cook either

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Oct 6, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

And then bitches about it being a bad recipe.

That rug really tied the room together...

by Streams Of Whiskey on Oct 6, 2009 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Oct 6, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

It’s may be true that “McD never wanted Cassel”, but you don’t know he wouldn’t have taken him had it somehow got beyond initial “I’m listening”. The -1 is for the headline “fail” on an otherwise well thought out argument just because of the McD wanted Cassel thing.

by NDbronco on Oct 8, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was -1

to endzone. I didn’t think it would end up way down here.

by NDbronco on Oct 8, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on What

please explain to me how I missed that

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It is believe by most of us that McD was contacted about Cassell

Not that McD tried to trade Cassell. I believe that he was contacted by TB for a three way trade involving Cutler, Cassell and whatever else. McD declined but that’s when the sh*t storm started. I believe this because if McD wanted to trade for Cassell and was using Cutler as bait, we’d have Cassell right now.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 6, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know...

But I believe, that McDaniels decided fairly early on, that Cutler had to be traded, and that that information got out. I think it is reasonable to assume, that the idea of trading for Cassel was entertained up until the point it became clear, that Tampa was not going to pony up the kings ransom that Denver wanted (and eventually got) for Cutler. I also think that Cassels new deal with NE played a role, and that that deal was part of the reason why, the Chiefs got him relatively cheap. With Cassel at the helm Denvers offence would probably be clicking right now – though long term we might be better of with what we’ve got now.

by Jeeeeens on Oct 6, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually subscribe to this line of thinking

But we’ll never actually know will we.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Oct 6, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok get your point

Still have a nagging feeling that he would have wanted to get him, the advantage of having someone to run your system with a year of experience would be a tremendous. What coach would not want someone he feels he could trust. Thanks appreciate your thoughts

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 3:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Belichick and McDaniels had to use Cassel last year because they were in a pinch.

Cassel is one lucky or blessed individual for the fact if Brady weren’t hurt he would still be sitting the pine. Now he has a mega (in terms of his value) contract and will still be learning on the job. If he turns out to be a great QB then so be it, he just isn’t yet.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 6, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Jay Cutler

Wow, it would be entirely wonderful to have his arm and athletic ability IF his mentality would allow him to settle in to a ‘role’ in the new offense. I love watching Jay in Chicago. I think the whooping he took in week one did wonders for his maturity and thought process – still not there, but I think the lashing he took form Chi Fans and Media made him think about his superman persona and put away the red cape for a while. The trade worked well for both teams – I really like the guys we got!

by Flunkie on Oct 6, 2009 4:48 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Good thought provoking 'take's! Thanks!

I think it is totally crazy for anyon to pretend to know what our coach, owner, and former QB were thinking in their hearts of hearts, and I like that you don’t pretend to know, and I even like that those who do pretend to know don’t like your sacrilage thoughts! :)

While reading your post, I found myself nodding and thinking, “You know, if they did want Matt Cassell, they might have been right!”

You said that you were sharing thoughts based on some perspective and experience, and I appreciate your post at face value; post some more some time, okay?

by kaze9999 on Oct 6, 2009 4:56 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks 9999

I will try from time to time, I really like this site it gets away from the Denver post, ESPN websites that seem to exist only to stir the pot and not try to look at things from a different perspective. I have always liked how everyone respects one another and try to retain tidbits of information from others

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruffled feathers or not, I gave you that 5th rec...

nicely thought out post and I can tell you have come a long way through this tumultuous offseason. I’ll be the first to admit that I had my doubts about McD, but I always felt I needed to see him coach REAL games for at least a year or two before I lay judgement(even now at 4-0..McD is right when he says 4 wins gets you nowhere).

Great post and I appreciated it.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Oct 6, 2009 5:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

re: hrlybuzz --> SMIRK SMIRK SMIRK

smirk

–verb (used without object)
1. to smile in an affected, smug, or offensively familiar way.
–noun
2. the facial expression of a person who smirks.
Origin:
bef. 900; ME smirken (v.), OE sme(a)rcian

Word Origin & History

smirk (v.)
O.E. smearcian “to smile.” No exact cognates in other languages, but perhaps related to smerian “to laugh at” (see smile (v.)). The noun is first recorded c.1560.

Lindsay Jones used this same verb to describe Josh McDaniels facial expressions yesterday or the day before in this article.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13490282

Personally, I don’t much care for this characterization, as it simply reinforces the meme that McDaniels is arrogant, knows more than the rest of us, chased away a ‘franchise QB’ yadda yadda yadda.

Note that Jones didn’t describe his smile (which is what a smirk is) as ’boyishly handsome, confident, playful. Hmmmmm. Wonder why that is ?

You might want to ask a question of MaPatsFan in the Ask Pats Pulpit thread how long it took to lay off Hoodie Sr. and this sort of Bravo Sierra in the Boston media ?

My hunch is that for McDaniels, a super bowl won’t be enough for some people.

by Jenna Talia on Oct 6, 2009 5:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

'knows more than the rest of us'

Didn’t McD himself recently characterize himself and his staff as knowing more than the rest of us? Shouldn’t he know more than the rest of us? I suppose the press and many others would consider that arrogance, but I see it as calling it as he sees it. Frankly, at this point I have so much trust in McD that if he had decided to chase away Cutler, I would say that the coach probably knows best.

I have seen McD smirk several times while talking to the media, and I think it is just fine, because I hold them in the same contempt. I smirked every time people would tell me how hard it is to find a QB like Cutler, or how little McD knows about football. I smirked because I knew that McD couldn’t have orchestrated the greatest NFL offense of all time without knowing a thing or two about QB’s and football.

On a side note, I would read your link to Lindsay’s article if it weren’t on the dp website, as I have boycotted them since going all members only. I don’t want to be a member of what the dp does.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Oct 7, 2009 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Subtle as your screen name

Ok how about that he smiles inside knowing full well that those spouting off from the outside know nothing about what goes on behind closed doors, or how a word may change what he really meant because someone was too literal. I used smirk,obviously incorrectly I only wish that you would have been available to better word that sentence before the post. I will reiterate ( hoped I used that properly) I like Josh McDaniels, what I meant was that I felt deep down inside he gets the last laugh on those who are judging what he does based on limited information. If you don’t like Hoodie so be it, nice use of the phonitic alphabet by the way. I was not an English Major, I was a simple and lowly physical education Major who loves sports

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 5:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually liked your post and rec'd it, and absolutely am not attacking you, please relax !

just wanted to point out that it is a tough thing to do to describe someone’s smile as a smirk while still painting their picture in a positive light.

if you say he smirked so be it. others see it the same way.

interestingly enough, people often described Jay Cutler’s smile as a smirk. and then used that description to paint a picture of him, fairly or unfairly.

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

by Jenna Talia on Oct 6, 2009 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry about that Endzone got my Irish up

After years of giving depositions, testimony and having someone take one word and turning it around I have lost patience with that crap. I have seen it used to paint different pictures that what really occured and is why it pi****** me off. You are correct how that was used improperly, that was not my intention.

by hrlybuzz on Oct 6, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waaayy too much nit-picking

You can argue the nuances of the wording, and even granted some of that even smacks of the “young arrogant punk screws up the team” meme… However, I think it’s clear from hrlybuzz’s subsequent posts (and even the tone of the original post) that wasn’t the intent.

I’m OK with it, and chuckled in agreement with some of your phrases:

  “go stick your pointer finger in the freezer…”
  “he had to feel like an accused witch during the Salem witch trials…”
  
Thanks for the post. And yep, I’ll rec it for putting it out there, and catching a few javelins.

by MakeCents on Oct 6, 2009 6:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

hrlybuzz, don't sweat the small stuff.

People on this site have blasted me about my grammar and then they turn around and do the exact same thing. Grains of salt not worth licking. If someone disagrees with a statement you have several option: 1) respond and get blasted again. 2) Don’t respond or edit your post to change delete statements. 3) Don’t write anymore and show them your are in fact a lot more intellegent than they are. I prefer the second option because there are some common sense folks on here who realize by the way we write that we are not great grammarians. Just great fans. Thanks for the post.

by bfree2bronc on Oct 6, 2009 6:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked it as well

“Personally, I don’t much care for this characterization, as it simply reinforces the meme that McDaniels is arrogant, knows more than the rest of us, chased away a ‘franchise QB’ yadda yadda yadda.”

Apparently he did know more than the rest of us, or must of us at least. I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t expect us to be 4-0 right now. But as far as I’m concerned keep it coming because I’m chugging the Kool-Aid by the gallon. The guy may have wanted Cassel, he may not have but even if he did it seems that it would have been a better path than the gun slinging QB that we had for his system.

I rec this post and for the record I call Belichik hoodie and McDaniels hoodielite… Does that mean that my entire post has lost it’s credibility because of the nicknames or the smirk I have while writing it? No, obviously it means that I know something that some of you don’t….. It’s funny!

by kangarew113 on Oct 6, 2009 7:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

i think it was a totally cool writeup

wow…you are totally amazing…i kinda wondered if he-who-must-not-be-named was really smart enough to run Jedis offense…i even thought about a thingie about wonderlic scores and offensive systems. omg…but…like im a total ditz cuz i couldnt figure it out….and its not just cuz someone totally dissed every fan who believed in him.

And…i gotta say…like…i wasnt real sure about Jedi until Zappa and boydy and hoosier teacher and others who are coaches explained everything…and i sorta got that there really was a plan…and i was cool with that.

And…like…i had to get past some of the words you used that sorta didnt do it for me…but i read your stuff…and want to thank you for being brave enough to write an article…i know that when i did…i was way nervous.

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Oct 6, 2009 10:04 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

No kidding

I can’t believe we are even talking about whether smirk had some special connotation here.

by NDbronco on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to stop reading the comments

and skip down to make my own. This was a real good read. I don’t care if you contradicted yourself or not. Other posters have spelling or Grammar problems but I don’t judge them for trying to get their thought across. I understood all about the “all-knowing smirk” and had the same observation myself. Josh McDaniels is not an unemotional automaton. If you watch the video of him “Wired for sound,” you will see a highly emotional man. Of course he has an ego. Everyone of us has one. He knows exactly what he is doing, and he is being attacked from every front just because of his youth. He doesn’t react pompously like an egomaniac would, so I think you should allow him to smirk. I imagine, that smirk will increase in it’s intensity each win that the Broncos achieve this year. I know mine is. Remember, it’s not bragging if you can back it up.
Rec’d hrlybuzz.

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