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Broncos Thoughts and Musings - New England Week

The Broncos have done everything that we as fans could ask of them, going 4-0 to begin the 2009 season. Despite much argumentation in the media and on the fan sites, the Broncos did exactly what Josh McDaniels said that they would do: They focused on winning. It's the only goal, the only end to which they work and it happens when your coaches prepare the players better than the other team's coaches prepares theirs. I'm putting most of our success to the people at the top - acquiring the right players, teaching them properly and putting them in position to win the games before the opening kickoff ever occurs.

I'm going to start us off with a discussion of last Sunday's games and then talk about a concern that has taken up a lot of space on the site. I'm also going to make a suggestion towards the goal of reducing or eliminating that issue. Please join me as we kick off with some thoughts from the film on the Dallas game and move on to the Tale that WAGs the Dog..

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Quick Thoughts from the Dallas Game

 

I really enjoyed this game, and breaking down the film afterward made me much more aware of the things that we did right. The defense showed that it can shut down one of the best rushing attacks in the league, giving up only 74 yards to Dallas. With that kind of ability to make an offense one-dimensional, we can win any game, any week.

Robert Ayers had several very good plays this week. You really can see him improving each week. No wonder LBs coach Don Martindale wanted him in during the goal-line series at the end of the game, which is a vote of immense confidence. He stayed home in the middle zone during the last two plays, just as he was supposed to, which made Romo throw over him and helped to force the pass into Champ's area. He also drove at and past Flozell Adams (who waved his arms at Ayers ineffectually as if he was trying to flag down a cab) and scalded Tony Romo on the third play of the game. He hurried Romo, hit him and ensured an INC. There were more than a handful of other plays as well - it's nice to see him growing so quickly.

On the other hand, what in the heck were the Cowboys doing throwing twice at Champ to end the game? It was late, the D is usually tired, and I was more afraid that they'd stuff Barber or Choice down our throat. I understood the issue of clock management, but even then, the choice of which throw to make wasn't exactly carefully thought out. Many thanks to those who believed that Champ was vulnerable. He is -- he's vulnerable to being declared the AFC Defensive Player of the Week, which he was.

Speaking of the run - A good young name on Sunday was Wesley Woodyard, as well as Ayers. Woodyard was called for a hold on third down of the 1st series - I watched it 4 times and couldn't see a thing, but the ref was right there. However, Woodyard's playing a nickel and long yardage package really well and did nice jobs against both the run and the pass. His versatility has to intrigue Mike Nolan. Like Ayers, he kept being in the right place.

That's two weeks in a row that Jack Williams did the job well. Alphonso Smith will be back soon, but I'm happy to have two good young CBs. Depth is beautiful. David Bruton looks good on special teams, while Darcel McBath looks good everywhere he's on the field. It looks like we had a great draft. Congratulations to Jack on the way he's stepped up. Has he improved this much, or are we using him correctly now?

For all of those fans who fight valiantly for the Broncos' honor against the 'media', I salute you, and you can stop hammering on them now. I didn't read or listen to a single commentator after the game (and on into Monday) that didn't have only nice things to say about Denver. Since then I've read only 90+% good things and I don't worry about the others. Now, we have to figure out what to do with the respect we're being given. I don't see the team changing their tune. They're going to keep finding things to motivate themselves. Can anyone imagine Brian Dawkins being satisfied at this point in the season? It's not gong to happen.

All Terence Newman was left with was a complaint and a memory - a bad one, one that may keep him up for many nights to come. After getting embarrassed by Brandon Marshall, he proclaimed, "I couldn't have played that play any better. I could have sworn it was going to be a penalty. He grabbed my jersey and threw me to the side. If that wasn't a hold, I don't know what is. I tried to grab him back. I figured either way, the refs were going to call us both for holding. But the refs didn't see it."

Sad story. The only problem is, the more I watched the play, the more I didn't see what he was arguing. But there was one thing that I did see -- he gave up on the tackle. Not only did he fail to take down Marshall the first time, he gave up on tackling him when he missed a second time and didn't even try to catch him before Marshall made it to the end zone. He seemed to be pouting and walking while Marshall was running in with the winning score. So, Newman had a couple of shots at Marshall and missed the tackle both times, but he doesn't talk about that. He's focused on the injustice of it all and he even was when the play was happening. That's the difference between a player like him and a player like Champ. Bailey is all about the moment - winning, overcoming and finding a way to be successful. Newman came off as whining, self-adsorbed, and sure that life isn't fair. Good guess - it's not. But that doesn't excuse you from not tackling and giving up on the play. In my mind, that was the game in miniature. The Broncos won through superior will as much as superior execution and via a refusal to give up. Newman gave up on the play, Marshall scored, and in his doing so, Newman deserved to lose.

Knowshon Moreno had some big plays and got his receiving TD on sheer guts and effort. How good has he been? He leads all NFL rookies with 249 yards rushing, which is 101 more than next-best LeSean McCoy (Philadelphia). The New York Jets' Mark Sanchez may end up with Rookie of the Year -- usually, the QB position has an advantage due to publicity -- but Knowshon is showing early signs of being exactly what the Broncos brought him in to be: great. I'm interested to see how he does leading the team on Sunday if Correll Buckhalter can't go.

The Secret Weapon The Broncos have a secret weapon that's not all that secret to those who are following such things: They are murder in the 4th quarter. It's a lot more than Kyle Orton, but he's a big part of it. This is nice in one way - it's in the tradition of John Elway, one of the historical masters of the comeback. But it's something that, in all the fuss and bother about Orton's first quarter or first half, we have tended to neglect. Kyle Orton is money with the game on the line and for good play-calling. His QB rating is 97.7, and that's very good. His TD/INT ratio is nothing to be sneezed at either. He's got 13 passes over 20 yards and 3 over 40. He's also going to continue to get better. But the real story is his 4th-quarter performance.

Do you want to really understand why Orton is a very good QB for the Broncos? He's got a home record of 17-2, career. Is that good? It's only the best home winning percentage in the NFL since 1970. It's that kind of good.

I don't care what his story was before, and neither should you. It was with another team, different coaches, and a different scheme. It doesn't mean a darned thing. Here in Denver, Orton has brought us back from behind in the fourth quarter of half of our games. It's early, and I don't read more into that than there is. But each week, the entire team gets tougher in the 4th quarter. The sole exception was Cincinnati, and even then - one TD in 58 minutes? It's not a big deal to me. But Oakland just gave up by the 4th. The Broncos wore them out. Terence Newman gave up in the 4th. Orton put us ahead in the 4th. The defense held like iron in the 4th. Argue all you want about pretty and ugly and lucky and tendencies and mechanics and all of that -- it doesn't really matter. Orton wins games. So does the defense. That's it. The team is mentally tough at the end of games, and they proved that again.

Final thought on the game: Our defensive backfield is supposedly too old and has lost a step. If anyone finds that missing step, please return it to the Broncos ticket office, OK? Thank you... If that's the case, folks, please send me a case lot of too old and too slow. Too old and slow looks a lot like "They don't have anyone on the defensive line" - another statement that sounds great until you actually have to defend it. Every year, players who haven't found their niche before, do. Every year, a guy gets a chance and shows a lot of other folks that he's always had the ability and never got to showcase it. We've got a lot of wins for, as Major League once said, 'some has-beens and some never-was'.

The Tail that WAGs the Dog -- And One Solution

WAGing - verb, def: The process of using thought, prediction, prejudice and personality in place of research, film analysis and/or forethought in writing articles that are supposedly a journalistic endeavor.

We've been having a series of emails, posts and responses based on the issue of the media. Although 'the media' is far from the monolithic unity that many tend to see it as, the major sports media often infuriates members of the site with rash predictions, personal prejudice and superficial analysis. I understand, and I sympathize with those who rail and rage against these kinds of sloppy platitudes. But, to be honest, there is a simple solution.

I don't partake. They don't irritate me. They don't concern me. That's mostly because I rarely read or listen to them. If there is a bit of information that I can use, great! I'll make note of it. There often is, you know. But otherwise, they can believe, publish and pontificate any darned wild guess, keyboard diarrhea or foolish thing that they wish. It's a practice that I call wagging - but I spell that WAGing. The capitalization is for Wild A (think, derriere) Guess-ing. That's generally what those folks are doing. Because that's all it is, it doesn't affect me at all. It has no particular meaning, and it's not based in anything helpful, so I just tune it out.

Journalism is a tough field. Those who do a good job - and they are out there, let there be no question about that - are usually less visible and sometimes sometimes in the minority. There is an old saying that you get exactly the kind of government that you deserve. In this case, people get the kind of reporting that they desire - or, that the majority desire, and therefore deserve. Many folks just want to vent. They need a dumping ground for their cerebral toxic waste. If you read that kind of thing, it will tend to affect you, and I can guarantee that it won't improve your life, your knowledge base or your happiness. Mostly, I try to pass.

WAGing with their keyboards isn't reporting. It isn't unacceptable, either, to me. It's entertainment -- commentary. Whether you get angry and respond or you agree and respond, you're responding -- and that is the point, the purpose and the desired end. If you just flat out don't care, they lose. Me? I flat out don't care. I usually don't read it because it doesn't have any real meaning to me. I read and listen to people like John, styg, HT and Ted, as well as boydy, lebowski and a host of other folks. I pore through the Tracks and see what is interesting, valuable or which piques my thoughts. There are a few writers who I do respect, based on what I've seen of their columns and I read those more often. I tend to close tabs on articles that are repetitious, mendacious or just foolish. The don't worry me - they are there because a lot of people like that kind of thing. More power to them. They can have it.

In this day and age, most folks can download games - as torrents, perhaps, or NFL Rewind, or in many other ways, (so I'm told). As an official old fart, I don't even have a clue as to some of it, but be assured - you can see the film for yourself. It's a great start. Now, whatever your level of football understanding, I'll encourage you to take the next step. Go back and review styg50's great articles on how to break down film, what to look for from each position. Then, go out and practice, with whatever time you have. Whether a lot or a little, you'll find yourself getting better at it quickly. And soon, the nattering nabobs of negativism, as Spiro Agnew once called them, won't matter a whit to you. You'll know for yourself. Opinion doesn't hold a candle to understanding - in fact, without understanding, the rest is vapor; formless and incorporeal. The experience is, if by chance or opportunity you haven't tried it, seductive and somewhat intoxicating. Soon, the movements become a dance with deeper and deeper levels of meaning.

I'm going to open a door, and ask that anyone with an interest consider stepping through it. I'm going to break down at least one game a week, beyond the Broncos' game and one of our opponents. I'll be keeping some notes, and I'm willing to talk with anyone about what I see. I'm asking that some of the members consider agreeing to break down one game -- the full game each week this season. I'd like to make sure that we break down all of the AFC, the leaders in the divisions and/or the other games our current competitor played in this year. If you would like to break down at least one and to report on patterns and specifics, including schemes, players of interest and some of the outcomes of the battles, please -- do it! Let me know which one(s) you're interested in. I'll confirm, you can break down that game, send me some comments, a report or a narrative. Just email me at mhrtales@gmail.com with the game that you'd like to take. If there's a conflict, I'll mention it to the folks involved and we'll work it out. If this is interesting, please let me know in advance.

If this interests people I'll use your findings in the T&M each week and we can consider other options for the information as well. Let's try something new - increasing the discussions based on actual information, knowledge and investigation, rather than a lot of secondhand ipse dixits and opinions. If it can work, I need your help. Everything that one of us sees, confirms and reports without emotion or exaggeration would change the paradigm in a new way. My door is open to those who are interested in fighting this kind of pointless (forgive me) mental self-stimulation with actual effort, direct perception and clear, succinct description and discussion.

Last week, Styg wrote,

And while the process of self-stultification is very interesting (and again, far too deep of a topic to expand upon here), it is sufficient to note that the process develops almost completely during the formative years of the mind, and results in a personality that prioritizes getting around reality, rather than dealing with it. Even in the simplest or insignificant endeavors (such as a sports analyst giving his reasons why a team will be a failure) this is a fatal mistake that pits the deceiver against reality. His imagination becomes his sole source of power in the fields of reality that he chooses to ignore, whether it is film analysis or player rankings, and his imagination is ruled by emotions he doesn't understand. The result is a deceptive, manipulative exertion in an attempt to gain control of something they have long since abandoned. Success in this endeavor consists of convincing others that his uncontrollable emotional appraisals are as real, and thus as valid, to them as they are to him.

Well said, wordsmith! Real knowledge, personal experience and valid information are both the antithesis and the antidote to this kind of pandering. Perhaps this will move forward. I hope that it does, but no matter. If a few more of our valued and introspective members take up the path of personal confrontation of what is, rather than what is said, we will have moved in a direction that breaks an odious and irritating cycle - listening to nonsense, and reacting as if it is real.

Complaining is easy, but not particularly helpful. Let's do something to counteract the situation. I have a few thoughts as to a format and I'd like to hear yours. Interested? Contact me at mhrtales@gmail.com

 


Article on Nunnely and the PS players


This article helps to explain why the Broncos will continue to be good for a long time to come:

 

ENGLEWOOD - Chris Baker hasn't been active for the Denver Broncos yet this season, and Everette Pedescleaux is on the practice squad. Yet, the two rookie defensive linemen get plenty of coaching attention.

At 7:30 a.m., before the rest of the Broncos report to work during the week, Baker and Pedescleaux have a daily 30-minute meeting with defensive line coach Wayne Nunnely. He goes over practice film the way he breaks down game film with his regulars.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels requires his assistant coaches be good teachers. Perhaps one of the reasons the Broncos are 3-0 despite new schemes on both sides of the ball is the coaches' ability to relay information.

"Some guys learn quickly from the mouth," McDaniels said. "Some guys need it on the board. Some guys need it on the board, on film, from the mouth, walkthrough and practice it twice, and then they have got it.

"That is just the way this game is. Every player is different, and I think that is part of being a good coach is figuring out, ‘How do I have to teach my players because they are not all the same guy?'"

 

Now, look at this image. It's of Nunnely working on technique with Baker and a blocking sled (the sled is the smaller one).

Note how the angle of Nunnely's left leg lets him get leverage to the left, while Baker's left leg is too far under him to be effective. They'll get him to fix that. Nunnely is a consummate professional defensive-line coach, and the effects of his teachings on our defensive linemen is one of the best stories of this season. We're lucky to have him. I've already read members giving reasoned, intelligent thoughts about the next draft, and while it's early, DL has been mentioned. We may already have brought in two of our newer players.

 

Elway and the Magic Lens

I'm hearing from a lot of fans that we were just spoiled by John Elway, usually to the tune of some great memories. I'd like to toss something in - our memories are often inaccurate. I can recall lots of games during which I wondered if John would ever develop a touch pass, would calm down and make the passes, would find that open receiver. Our recollections of his strengths have often blinded us to his weaknesses.

People forget how low his completion percentage often was. They ignore the seasons that ended with QB ratings that were in the 70's - and worse. They remember - or have only read about - his consummate skill in the 4th quarter and his ability to win games. And, that's in many ways, as it should be. John had a rare ability to put a team on his back. (Folks also forget that he had a rare 10.2 sack percentage in 1992 and had three years north of 9.0, this from one of the most mobile QBs in history. Thing are often not as they appear in the rear view mirror.)

Kyle Orton isn't that kind of QB and Elway was clearly superior in many ways. However, Kyle has some strengths that Elway did manage to show regularly, and a few that John hadn't this early in his career. He's unflappable, as John often was, but he has a better touch on the ball. He's brilliant at dissecting the defensive formation and calling the right play. Overall, he's already as, or more, accurate -- it was a long time before Elway developed great accuracy over the course of a game. We tend to remember in highlight film format -- we don't always recall the reasons that we also threw pillows and such across the room in frustration with John.

Make no mistake -- for all of those who want to cast Orton as a temporary patch, a stop-gap measure -- Josh McDaniels just wants a guy who can be smart, take care of the ball, make all the throws when they are needed and who gets better during each game. Orton could be here a long, long time, folks. Orton had a completion percentage of over 68.0 with 2 TDs, no INTs and a QB rating of over 117 on Sunday, and folks reamed him that night for his lousy passing. I don't get it, but I'd suggest that we may have quite a while to figure it out.

SquashMaster of the Week

It's D.J. Williams again, leading the Broncos in tackles during the Dallas game, who earns this week's Golden Squash Award. He's also leading the team on the season - with 31, 24 of them solo, plus a sack, a fumble forced, and a fumble recovery. He added a couple of passes defensed, too and laid a YouTube highlight hit on Roy Williams that I guarantee he's still hurting from. I loved this from the Denver Post:

"I'm everywhere. I don't even call it a position," DJ said. "I'm deep, I'm blitzing, I'm on the line, I'm doing a lot of things. It all has to do with the other guys on the field. They're allowing me to roam, do the things that I do."

"That's why it's great to have him, because I couldn't have made that play," said Andra Davis, Denver's other inside linebacker, who also has 31 total tackles this season.

That last sentence from A. Davis is a great example of that I've been talking about - the tendency of the players to talk about their admiration for each other rather than about their own abilities. Remember, for the season lead in tackles, Andra Davis is second with 30 -- he had 7 solo and 2 assists this week. Champ also gets an honorable mention for the week - Champ had an unreal game with 8 solo tackles and an INT as well as 4 passed defensed. Veteran leadership, veteran ability -- it's a wonderful thing. Champ is also second in the league for INTs since 1999 with 44, behind Darren Sharper who has 55.

Of course, Doom adding another two sacks, playing the run well and doing some nifty things in coverage is kind of nice to see, too.

Taking on New England

New England is a hard team to beat and I think that we're lucky to be taking them on at home. This is a very tough team, as the Ravens found out last Sunday. Can we win? Sure. Our team is not bunch of slouches, either. This will be a heck of a chess match - no one knows Belichick better than Josh, and no one knows Josh better than Belichick - and both of them adore the art of game-planning the other team. So far, McDaniels has been nearly flawless at it. We'll have our hands full, but I see this as a close, and winnable game. Why? As always, it's first and foremost about the trenches.

First: Our defensive line. I see the Patriots as vulnerable on the offensive line, and we know from history that Tom Brady can be frustrated with enough pressure. I'm counting on Nolan to deliver here.

Second: Our offensive line. I think that the Pats' degree of player turnover has rendered them vulnerable along the front. With our ground game -- and while potential-Rookie of the Week Knowshon Moreno may get more carries, I'm also hoping to see one of my favorite players, Peyton Hillis, stepping up this week -- I think that we can be successful against anyone as long as our attack is two-dimensional.

Third: Our defensive backs can play with anyone. Brady will challenge them in new ways and it will be a battle, but I think that we can pull this off at home.

Fourth: We have the QB and receivers to make a game of it. We also have the 4th-leading running game, at 4.7 ypa and 148 yards per game. Not shabby. Our offense is as good as their defense and I beleive that our defense will show that it's stronger than their offense.

Production won't be simple. Both sides know each other's tendencies well. Each head coach will be saving a few wrinkles to try and perplex the other. Mistake-free football is the key to both sides. This is a classic matchup and I'll be glued to the screen, but I believe that this is a great opportunity for the Broncos at home. Brady will get his points, but I'm taking the Broncos in a close one, 27-24. I had the Broncos by a TD last week, and was gratified that they lived up to my faith, even though I had the game at 24-17 instead of 17-10. Never underestimate our defense.

AfterThought: Kansas City Here I come...

I was interested in this article:

"The Chiefs are clearly building for next year as they try and collect draft picks to help rebuild a team that's in desperate need of repair."

Wow, that was fast. A few weeks ago, KC was going to be 'a lot tougher than folks think". Now they're already building for next year - and with more draft picks? Maybe. And if it's true, it's an indictment of the process that Scott Pioli has instituted. While early outcomes don't determine eventual effects, so far the makeover has been a non-starter. A quick end to their offensive coordinator indicates that they don't really know exactly what they're trying to do.

This is a carousel that many teams stay on for years, and KC has been riding it. They bring in young men, often talented young men, but don't have the presence in the locker room that they require to develop those players. The veteran ability to win games, to believe in a system and to put the effort into practice, film and weight room sessions just isn't something that most players instinctively know - they have to learn it from good veterans. On that basis, I like Mike Vrabel, but he isn't Brian Dawkins. The Xanders/McDaniels team poached the free agency market in ways that are just beginning to become clear.

Look at the difference between KC and Denver. It's another example of how the team was designed and how that design was carried out. The Broncos have veterans who are leading, draft choices who are both contributing and developing, and players in the middle (like D.J. Williams) who have been around for a little while but who can continue to lead as the older players move onward. Josh McDaniels gutted the team and promptly rebuilt it - on one offseason. If he does anywhere close to as well this offseason, we'll be enjoying the New Broncos Football for years to come.

All the best in the coming week.

Go Broncos!

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I think there is a posting there

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't see one.

Bringing Bronco love from 1,112 miles away

by Troy Hufford on Oct 7, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol - I know why

You’re referring to the YouTube level hit, yes? It was descriptive – sorry about that. I didn’t realize that I needed to fins a copy on YouTube – I was just referring to it as you might a ‘scoreboard’ it, etc. My bad!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great work Bear!

The upcoming Patriots game should be a fantastic chess match. I hope it lives up to the advanced billing.
Rec’d.

by rocko1 on Oct 7, 2009 6:13 AM MDT reply actions  

I hope it doesn't live up to the "advanced billing"!

I’d rather like it to live up to the “advanced joshing”! ;)

by DjBroncos on Oct 7, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great post, Bear!

Reading your insights always makes me feel smarter. I especially appreciated your comments on Denver’s 4th quarter dominance, and remembered an article in the DP about how Rich Tuten was finally able to do the strength conditioning he’d wanted to, but was not allowed to, for years under Shanny. Then I flashed back to the wonderful pictures of some of our players finding new ways to “enjoy” Red Rocks, and realized that a great deal of this team’s success in the past 4 weeks is directly related to their work in the past 4 months. Back in the day, it was Elway leading the Broncos to a 4th quarter comeback; now it’s the Broncos coming back in the 4th quarter — a true team effort by a true team.

by 42n81 on Oct 7, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I used to hike and run on Red Rocks

You get in shape (or dead) very quickly!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Amen to that

even as a kid running around that place would wear you down fast

by Stuman on Oct 7, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great article!

Does anyone have a link to the article Bear mentioned by Styg about breaking down game film? I’ve been breaking things down myself but a guide to it would even be better!

Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands

by BroncosNL on Oct 7, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I've got them

It’s a series of articles. You can find them all by going to the search function in the right hand corner above and doing this:

Start with a quotation mark
type styg university analyzing
end with a quotation mark

It looks like this “styg university analyzing”

That will bring up the series – and some other stuff, but stick to the series. Styg is, as always, the man. That stuff really helped. by the way, if you’re interested in doing this breakdown work, let me know. I’ve gotten a couple of emails already and I’ll be sending out ‘assignments’ in a couple of days. My thought is that each member keeping a certain team will let us have more insight into their play, but I’m open on the ‘how’ of it.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll guarantee that you can!

If you’ve never done it before, you’ll find that you will get better very quickly. It first, you might be confused – Everyone is, at first, so that’s not a concern. It’s just a matter of practice.

The most important thing (and TedB has noted this many times) is to get used to the process of watching something other than the ball. I’ve used styg’s articles to add to my understanding and HTs work to understand the overall game and certain formations (not to mention going back later and watching certain games or plays to see what Ted is seeing, which also helped me to learn), but it all comes down to just rerunning the play a few to several times and watching different people each time to see what they do. It won’t be long before you understand why they’re doing those things. At that point – whether it takes a couple of days or a couple of months – you’ll have a basic skill that will keep getting better and you’ll be enjoying football in a way that you never have before. Do it! lol

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice Bear....

I truly appreciate the amount of time and energy you put into these posts and I find your writing style to be very enjoyable. Your comments on the “rear view mirror” effect are particularly profound. It’ll take a long time for someone to pass Elway in my mind as the ultimate QB but your article made me remember many Sundays in section 110 when I wanted to pull my hair out. Great article!

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Oct 7, 2009 7:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Re: John Elway

Elway holds the sack record by like 100+. The thing about Elway was that he would play like garbage for 3 and a half quarters and then wake up and win the game. Elway was great because he was a winner. I don’t forget that. Dude played on a .500 football team…his 47 game winning or tying drives help that team become a .600 or better football team.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Oct 7, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Elway the winner

I remember before JE even played a down, there was this rap that he wasn’t a winner. Well, ‘nough said about that. As you point out bear, then there was the thing about he didn’t have the touch pass in his arsenal. Which, imho, he didn’t, until later in years. But what he always had, like all the great ones do in any sport or any endeavor, is the ability to make those around him excel, and better than they would be. And that reflected in his teams’ 4th quarters. Anybody see this kind of thing on this year’s Bronco edition? I see it all over the place, off and on the field, both sides of the ball. I’m just lovin’ it!

by azbroncomaniac on Oct 7, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stanford

I think in retrospect that he did not win many games because he played for Stanford.

by Endzone on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great post Bear

Rec’d for sure.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Oct 7, 2009 8:43 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Doc. Always a great read...

I completely agree.
I have given up, for the most part, on listening to anyone in the MSM bar a few. I like Schefter as he is an information gatherer, and nothing more.
Lombardi I like, and Bowen.
I like Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan….also Jim Miller although he clearly has not been watching the Broncos closely this year.
If I want to know anything about scheme, facts or ACTUAL football I come here.
TO ALL YOU GUYS: No one knows more about our Broncos than the staff and posters on this site. If you feel the need to make your heart rate rise, go at it, but everything you need is right here.
Peace Doc, and thanks!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 7, 2009 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Absolutely!

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Oct 7, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

great job bear

just one thing that hasnt be brought up on the site. All the talk going into the game with dallas was how big there Oline is compared to our Dline. There Oline was sappose to where our Dline down, but it was just the opposit. There Oline got wore down tring to catch up with us.

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Oct 7, 2009 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree, jerry.

Their names aren’t usually being called by the announcers but given the fact that several teams with pretty good rushing have been shut down, the D-line must be doing a good job. Maybe we, and especially the experts here at MHR need to be calling attention to them so that eventually the MSM will hear about them and jump on the band wagon.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 7, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

And BTW Bear,

Once again. excellent work. I’m getting spoiled.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 7, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

After a post of that magnitude

Give that man a BroncoBeer!!!! +1 on the wonderful article, informative and insightful as always. We are fortunate to have intelligent writers like yourself, and the other great contributors….man the awesomeness of this site never ceases to amaze me. Just when it can’t get any more wonderful…..it does.

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- Thomas Alva Edison

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- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Oct 7, 2009 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

BroncoBeerTM!

Brilliant ! Register it at the US Patent and trademark website.

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by littletinybroncos on Oct 7, 2009 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love it!

I used to brew, too. Great name – they’d never let me get it past the league, though ;-)

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

How could they stop you?

you just couldn’t use their logo….and maybe SAY that it had only to do with your love of horses HAHA

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Oct 8, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

awesome post, bear, rec'd & thanks

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Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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by Brian Shrout on Oct 7, 2009 8:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Gee Doc, I don't know where you find all that you put to ( paper ) print,

but I ( like others ) look forward to our positive reinforcement of football and the world at large.

Best quote: Many folks just want to vent. They need a dumping ground for their cerebral toxic waste. If you read that kind of thing, it will tend to affect you, and I can guarantee that it won’t improve your life, your knowledge base or your happiness. Mostly, I try to pass.

The game this week will be a chess match between the Master and the Apprentice,
But whe is the Teacher, and who is the Student?
Belichick will face McDaniels (who has a new supporting cast) that may have just
outgrown his previous academe.

Broncos 31 – 24

Rec’d

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Oct 7, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Great analysis Bronco Bear!

Denver is lucky to have the next “John Wooden” only in football. McDaniels is building a hard nose smart football team with smart, coachable, talented, high character players who have leadership traits that want to play 60 minutes and committed to winning. McDaniels hired talented coaches who are great “teachers” of the game.

Bronco Bear; looking forward to your next analysis thanks for sharing.

oc60

by oc60 on Oct 7, 2009 9:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Great article and food for thought

I think the game between the Broncos and the Pats will come down to the usual keys. First the defense needs to come after Brady immediately on their first possesion. He is very tenative in the pocket albiet not as bad as he first was, but he is clearly worried about having people around his legs. The approach that the Giants used will work even better here and the Broncos defense can clearly get that done. Offense needs to dominate their D line, run the ball hard and then stretch the field with enough passes to make them play honestly in the backfield. Last but not least the turnovers, the defense needs to keep them coming and Orton along with the rest of the offense need to secure the ball. This is a very winable game for the Broncos, I look for Doom to get at least two more sacks or if the Pats try to double team him the dooor is open for others to step up and get some sacks of their own. The biggest key to this game is Tom Brady as he goes so does his team, use one of his few weaknesses of fear of injury against him.

by hrlybuzz on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 AM MDT reply actions  

About Elway

What you say, Bear, is so true. I’ve long been aware that his lifetime completion percentage and QB rating were lower than many people would have expected. To make that meaningful, however, we need to ask ourselves this: What was the league average during his career? I think he might still be surprisingly low, but perhaps not quite as comparatively low as the raw numbers suggest. Like Orton, he tended to be good when it mattered the most, but not so hot until then. Finish this thought. You can’t come from behind to win unless you’re behind. You can’t come from behind lots of times unless . . .

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 7, 2009 10:17 AM MDT reply actions  

I remember what Mike Carlson (whom I respected immensely until recently) said back in the Jake Plummer days...

He was commenting on all of his comebacks, and said, “In order to come from behind, he has to be losing.”

There’s a certain mental fortitude to making all those comebacks, but there’s perhaps a little more when you take the lead and hold on to it for an entire game.

"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."

by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 7, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I should finish that thought.....

But I’d say…..

Unless she’s into that sort of thing………. lol

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Oct 8, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Players credit
the tendency of the players to talk about their admiration for each other rather than about their own abilities.

This has been so evident form the beginning of the season and a stark contrast to previous years. What is amazing to me is that when I ask myself, “why is that?” I’m sure it’s not because the coaching staff is telling them, “Hey, when a reporter asks you a question, say this…” So, somehow, McD and the staff have created a culture where that is their reaction… and fast! It’s really incredible.

I remember ‘05 when the defense started out fast, low scoring. Even during the peak of that moment, I could tell it was fleeting. There was a real "bend, don’t break" look to it and you just knew it was only a matter of time; all the crazy blitzing would get figured out and stopped. With this year’s D, I get exactly the opposite feeling. This D’s numbers have not been the result of smoke and mirrors, but a solid foundation, philosophy and execution. They’re on the right track.

Richard Seymour is a girl.

by pubkeeper on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions  

I remember that moment, pk

The more I realized that Coyers wasn’t making good adjustments, the more calm I got about the fact that we would eventually tank. Sad…

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I remember when I

could anticipate our actual blitzes from the feints.

Unfortunately Ken Weisenhut figured it out too.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 7, 2009 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree completely - although I think you're referring to the 06 D

I remember back in 06 clearly thinking that the Defense was not as good as they were playing at the time. They were not physical, and it just seemed that they caught a bunch of breaks (almost like the Bengals game this year where Palmer was rusty, and there were a lot of drops). I never bought into the defensive hype that year.

This year, however, I’m a believer that this defense is for real. The D is physical! We haven’t seen that in a long, long time in Denver. They aren’t just tackling… They are punishing the opposing team’s players (DJ’s hit stands out, but there have been a lot of instances where I’ve thought “ouch – that hurt”). They swarm to the ball… the blitzes are aggressive, but not “sell the farm” aggressive where you feel that it’ll either be a sack or a touchdown… and most importantly (to me), it is a defense where it seems like there are more than 11 players on the field. I’m not an expert or anything, but that is always the sign of a dominant defense to me. You are playing against them, and it just seems like they have more players than the offense. There is never a clear opening. There are always several guys around the ball. This Broncos D has that! It’s really exciting to see, and it gives me a belief that we can keep it up.

by outdoor_miner on Oct 7, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Re throwing at Champ

one thing that doesn’t get mentioned much is that part of the reason for that is an undercredited Andre Goodman on the other side. I mean he’ s not champ but he’s pretty damned good. When the Broncos had some inferior CB’s on the other side from Champ it was a lot easier to just say, stay away from Champ and pick on the other guy(s). But this year the other guy is really good, and the safeties are good and so it’s not like there are other areas to obviously throw at instead.

Oh, and, great stuff as always Bear! Well mused. :-)

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Oct 7, 2009 10:44 AM MDT reply actions  

KC is wicked awesome.

Are you ever not glued to the screen for a Bronco game, any Bronco game? I planned my honeymoon around the bye week. Don’t tell my wife that.

I laughed out loud when I read Peter King predict an 8-8 season for KC and some clown at Foxsports predict a division title for the Chefs. IMO, the Chefs have been on a road to nowhere since 2006 ended and they are still completely lost. Their vaunted 2008 draft has turned out to be a massive disappointment as guys like Dorsey, Fat Alberts and Cottom underperform and several others have already been cut. It’s nice watching J Allen rack up sacks in Minnesota while Alberts gives them up with the same frequency. With their Top 5 overall pick in 2010, they are going to be stuck having to draft another LT to protect Cassel. When you consider Alberts was supposed to be that guy and Cassel was supposed to be good…. well that hurts. Dorsey and Tyson Jackson have combined for 0.0 sacks this season and the team has five total thru four games (which is half their total from last season).

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Oct 7, 2009 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Great post McGeorge...

I remember on some boards argument whether Denver should take Clady or Albert. ALBERT WAS A LEFT GUARD IN COLLEGE FOR GOODNESS SAKE…..and some of the draftniks said he projected well as an elite LT…..if he could not play the position in college, he probably was not going to be good in NFL.
Highest drafted LG ever.
Nice points man!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Oct 7, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually Robert Gallery

of the … was drafted second overall in 2004. Again projected as a “dominant” tackle, he’s settled in as a left guard. Or at least he was; maybe he’ll come back.

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Oct 7, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, Boydy is correct, is you consider where the player played in college. Gallery played at LT in college, so it made more sense that he would be considered a tackle prospect (despite his struggles at the position in the NFL).

Alberts, on the other hand played LG during college…but somehow, he was projected to be a potential elite prospect as an NFL LT. Not quite sure how that was figured, but I’m pretty sure Clady is a better tackle….lol.

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by Disco_Stu on Oct 7, 2009 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree, you two are correct

But I just couldn’t miss a chance to put the boot into the Raiders.

By the way, your handle, Disco Stu – is that from a Mayor Quimby quote?

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Oct 8, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

couldn't agree more

I live in the KC area and all the talk before the season started was how KC was now on the right track to win games and Denver was on the road to the bottom with all the turmoil and changes going on. I was thinking WTH are these people talking about, they traded away J Allen and Tony G, the only real talent on the team and have tons of money wrapped up in 3-4 players who have really done nothing, and as we can now see, still do nothing. I was flabergasted that people were picking them to finish higher than us!

by Stuman on Oct 7, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just find it hard to believe that someone would pick...

a 2-14 team to win the division. That’s mind boggling. Does it happen? Sure, see Miami from last year, but I don’t think it is something that you can predict. Crazy.

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Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 7, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

especially when that 2-14 team is KC

what did they do exactly in the offseason that made them any better than the last couple of years? Other than trading away their only talent on the O in Tony G, not much. The only thing I can think is they got a QB so that automatically makes them better and since we got rid of one that automatically makes us worse? I don’t follow the logic, but perhaps that’s because there isn’t much there to be followed. The whole “franchise QB” thing is so over emphasized these days they don’t even bother to look at anything else it seems.

by Stuman on Oct 7, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very good points, both of you (McG/boydy)

There’s nothing like inheriting the large contracts and screaming errors of the last team of coaches is there? I’m sure that Scott ioli has a dart board somewhere in his mind, with pictures of Herm and Co. on there.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 11:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I think Orton is doing a fantastic job in the 4th quarter of limiting his mistakes and making the right reads. But I think that inability to do it in the first half of the game is making these games closer than they need to be. Orton clearly missed open receivers streaking down the seams in the first half (no doubt Gaffney and Marshall would have scored TD’s if Orton got them the ball) and those short drives lead to positive field position for the Cowboys early.
He came out going deep against a Dallas secondary that have not played disciplined coverage but Orton didn’t get the ball to our WR’s. This will eventually catch up to us if Orton doesn’t correct this part of his game.

by D1g1tal J1m on Oct 7, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions  

I understand your concern

but I reserve any judgement on his throws until the glove is gone and the finger healed. That said, I still think he has done a fine job, in the end his numbers just aren’t that bad, if he was doing a horrible job the stats would show it by this point I would think.

by Stuman on Oct 7, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Orton and Romo

were both inaccurate early in that game, no doubt. Orton is usually more accurate though and as Stuman points out he’s been playing with a glove on his throwing hand! Reserve worries about him til after that glove is off. And btw, even with the glove, zero interceptions is pretty darned nice.

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by underdog on Oct 7, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's definitely how I felt watching the game.

     And completions at those times would have help to open up the game for us. He didn’t start out great, but he didnt let it rattle him and he improved. That’s huge. Same goes for the offense in general in the first half. Lots of drive and momentum killing penelties but they played though and improved. A great sign of team strength and focus.

In many ways I’m happier with a game that we struggled with ourselves a bit and overcame it to win than if this had been a game in which we played ahead for 50 mins. This shows a gritty, determined team.
We can’t allow the early errors every week, but last Sunday’s game let the team see that they can play through the rough spots and come up on top.

"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton

by odarol on Oct 7, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Another fine game review!

Look forward to all your posts, Bear! This defense just continues to grow stronger and even more formidable! I look forward to the sorcerer vs. apprentice matchup sunday. With the offense making steady (albeit small) strides and the defense getting better and better, this team is a joy to watch… and watch I will!

Thank you, sir, for another salmon worthy post! Rec’d.

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by hairybear on Oct 7, 2009 11:38 AM MDT reply actions  

I believe

That Royal hasn’t gotten the looks because he is the #1 threat that defenses take away. Marshall doing better is going to help Royal.

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Oct 7, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

this was suppose to be a response to Thatem below.

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Oct 7, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Other Weapons

Bear, you mentioned Hillis but what about Royal and Schefler? They didn’t even get a mention, which is proportionate to their offensive impact. Is McD. just keeping them secret? Are they not that good? I would have thought Orton would be all over his TE’s but he’s looking for his WR more (but not Royal).
Anyway, whats up with that?

by ThatemW on Oct 7, 2009 11:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Is there any place to get coaches film??

Is there any place to download another view of the game. I have problems with network TV’s blowup view of the QB and guards and never seeing the safetys and the DB movement as the play develops. Long time ago I used to subscibe to a service that would mail out Univ of Iowa tapes later in the week. I realize the pro teams only have to share a few films with opponents. Just asking because with such modern technology exploding all over someone may know of a service.

by mauibroncofan on Oct 7, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I haven't found it yet

But if such a service exists, I’ll be signed up for it by the next morning after hearing about it. Thanks — good thoughts!

As far as why X player is used vs Y player – it’s early. We haven’t scratched the surface of what we can do offensively. If they ‘shut down’ Eddie, Gaffney or Marshall or Stokes or a TE is open. We don’t throw too much to anyone – nor, I think should we. The issue sis whether we’re gaining yards (yes), scoring points (yes, and will keep improving), preventing turnovers (no question), and winning games (!!!).

We ran some 3 TE sets against Cleveland but not since. Will we again? Sure, at some point. Will we use the TEs as receiving weapons? Same answer. What we’re not doing is setting a pattern, something to game-plan against. Many defensive coordinators will find us to be like smoke – strike it, and it simply moves aside. Attempt to define what and where it is and it changes.

It’s a sensible long term solution. Many posters have brought up the issue of what we will do when another team learns our tendencies and game-plans for them. If we don’t have a set group of tendencies, that’s hard to do. By the end of the year, we’re going to see a lot of different approaches. We as fans could consider that a strength.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks again, Bear

You rock! I look forward to your articles each week. Keep on keepin’ on.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Oct 7, 2009 12:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Great read as always Bear, but question

I was one of those that remember games where Elway could not hit the broad side of barn (sorry, but I am from Missouri). I may be one of the few that like Griese and hated to see him go. I loved his accuracy and seems like the perfect McD QB. If McD had his choice between Orton or Griese and each had the same time in the league, which one does he take and why?

by Bronkfan on Oct 7, 2009 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Good question, Bronkfan

A disclaimer up front — I wasn’t a Griese fan. I didn’t dislike him as much as many did, but I didn’t see him as a very good QB. I thought that I’d mistaken the situation when he took a Pro Bowl berth after his third season, but he came back and proved me right, sad to say.

What’s different about Orton? Obviously, I like the guy. If you ask about one or the other with the same time in the league and it’s 4 years, I’ll take Orton every time. Why? He wins. He may confound people as to how, but it is a lot more than luck. He’s unflappable. Griese wasn’t. He’s a locker room and huddle leader. Griese wasn’t. The players want to do well for him and like playing for him. Not Brian, unfortunately, over much of his career. Griese was uneven – a great third year, back to mediocrity, traded, traded again, a good year in TB, back to mediocrity, etc. Orton seems to be consistently getting better, and his stats also reflect that. He is still in many ways, learning one of the most complex offensive systems in the NFL, and he’s still injured. As I noted, last week was the first time that he’s admit that the injury hampered him. He not only doesn’t make excuses, He refuses to admit to the reasons for problems that are true. It’s part of the man he is, and I like that about him.

Why else? He learns. He’s constantly criticizing his own game, showing up early and leaving late, trying to find better ways to improve. I love that about him. Maybe Griese did that and didn’t get the good press — I don’t know. I do know that everything about Orton, including that great home record, winning career record and the fact that his numbers seem to improve steadily each year screams, “WINNER!” to me. Hope that helps

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 1:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank you Broncobear

Excellent point about the leadership. I like your reassurance on Orton.

by Bronkfan on Oct 7, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with Colorado Kitten's conjecture

that Orton is actually a great and powerful wizard. He doesn’t call attention to himself, just makes everyone around him better.

Or maybe he’s just a genius at reading defenses, and audibling the optimal play.

(By the way Bear, thanks for the tip on Wiktionary; that’s the only place I could find the correct spelling for audibling.)

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Oct 7, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, this week sucks!

Going in to work extra early, staying late, pretty much exhausted at the end of the day…just want a few beers and some sleep.

Then I find out my wife has been making great posts that I’m not even aware of! Man, I just want another beer now…

(in other words, I lol’d at this post and made Kitten track the comment down for me. Thanks! :-) )

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Oct 7, 2009 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I always wanted to like Griese

and that fantastic third season (19 TDs, 4 INTs) made it easy (plus his dad is from my home town), but his achilles heel is emotional fragility. When he’s up he’s good, but when he gets down on himself (and it happens a lot) he loses focus and becomes ineffective. He’s just not mentally tough like Orton is, and never was a strong leader.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Oct 7, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Does this bear ever write anything below excellence? Do you guys know what it is like trying to write my heart out to try and keep up with this creature? Well, DO YOU!?!?!

lol

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Oct 7, 2009 1:31 PM MDT reply actions  

You're right HT

I need to keep working on my suckafication factor…but a few folks thought I did with the poem!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

C'Mon

Bear, you know I did not like the poem article but 1 time out of thousands of articles and posts? You definitely do not suck. In fact you shine. HT…you are too humble my friend. You are a great writer. Different styles, different approaches, it’s all amazing and well done. I wish I had a smidgeon of both of your writing talents and football knowledge.

by Endzone on Oct 7, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

YES!

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa

by KaptainKirk on Oct 7, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me being too sensitive

but I just got done watching a clip of Mike Mayock from NFLN reviewing the Brandon Marshall catch & run, and heard him talking about Knowshon Moreno’s pass blocking. He said, and I quote, “One thing I liked about this kid [Moreno] coming out of Florida …” OMG! Next thing you know, he’ll be crowing about how Orton broke all of Montana’s records at Notre Dame. Can’t anybody just pay attention to the details? Oh, yes, that’s what McDaniels is doing, isn’t it?

by 42n81 on Oct 7, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Moreno's Block and all-around game

Nice call 42n81. I was at the game and exclaimed to all around me about the monster block Moreno laid on a Cowboy rusher blitzing through the gap. When I arrived home and watched again on replay, I told my wife that McDaniels will make a big deal out of that block to the rest of the team insofar as all the parts need to DO THIER INDIVIDUAL ASSIGNMENTS for the machine to hum.
It was classic!

by topnation on Oct 7, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post again Bear

I especially liked your comments regarding ignoring the media (I’ve been railing on this for eight months now – and it doesn’t change just because it’s now positive) and the 4th quarter – we’re finally finishing – what a breath of fresh air! On Moreno’s TD catch, I don’t know about “guts and effort”; under the circumstances, I thought it was primarily superb concentration. I’d love to break down film for you, but I already spend way too much time on this site and my job hours simply won’t allow it – good luck with that! And thanks again!
Go Broncs

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Oct 7, 2009 3:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Again, I come away educated. And inspired.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa

by KaptainKirk on Oct 7, 2009 3:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I might be able to do a game or two.

I don’t know much about breaking down film but I think that I could do it with Styg’s articles as a guide. Let me know if you still need someone to help.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent

by broncofan91 on Oct 7, 2009 5:35 PM MDT reply actions  

I do, and I will

Here’s something for anyone interested to consider – If you’re good at it, I’d love to see your work. If you’re not, I’d love to see you get a chance to get a little practice at which point, you’ll be getting pretty good.

After doing this for a while, I can promise – you’ll improve quickly. Everyone does — It’s just a matter of watching each play a few times and watching different parts of the field. You soon see more and more of what’s happening. Drop me a line over at mhrtales@gmail.com, would you?

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent post as always B!

I personally don’t have that big of a problem with the msm. They can say and think what they want. They can either hate on the Broncos or they can love them. Whatever.

The only problem that i’ve had with them is through the whole Jay Cutler saga. Over and over they showed themselves to be incompetent and utterly clueless when it came to getting the facts straight. I even think at times they were downright devious when getting the facts right only because it gave them a better story to villainize McDaniels.

by Kapiti on Oct 7, 2009 8:35 PM MDT reply actions  

The only problem that i’ve had with them is through the whole Jay Cutler saga. Over and over they showed themselves to be incompetent and utterly clueless when it came to getting the facts straight. I even think at times they were downright devious when getting the facts right only because it gave them a better story to villainize McDaniels.

Don’t look for me to disagree in any way with that, Kapiti. You’re exactly right

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Excellent post, Bear! Rec'd!

Thanks for the links to Styg’s articles on breaking down film. I am saving the link for quick access. I used to do this in the 80’s – tape the game and watch them several times for how the line worked, etc. It was fun.

Couple of comments: Orton vs Griese. Hardly any comparison. I remember Griese berating his receivers in public at a time when Rod Smith was injured and was game to game. Instead of talking with the inexperienced WRs between series and working out their patterns, he would sit by himself. Orton, on the other hand, acknowledges that it is a team effort that wins. Heckuva leader. ’Nuff said.

Hillis seems tentative – a litle jittery. I am hoping that being in the rotation this Sunday with Moreno is just the medicine he needs. More touches and a chance to do what he does so well.

My guess for the outcome: tough game but 20-16 Broncos.

Thanks, Bear.

by Blackknigh on Oct 8, 2009 1:29 AM MDT reply actions  

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