MHR Chalk Talk -- New England Patriots at Denver Broncos (Week 5, '09)

There are three sides to a football team, which we call the offense, the defense, and special teams. The best teams are elite on all sides of the ball. So after 25% of the regular season is complete, consider this for Denver...
Offense -
QB Orton has thrown at least one TD in every game and zero interceptions. He has a very respectable rating of 97.7 and a completion rate of 59%. And he's done this with a restrictive glove on his hand to protect an injury. The glove comes off this week.
RB Correll Buckhalter averages 7.2 yards a carry. 7.2 YPC!!! Is that a statistical fluke? 37 carries should be enough of a base to demonstrate that this amazing stat isn't based on just a few carries or big plays. (Denver's "other" RB, Knowshon Moreno, is up currently up for NFL Rookie of the Week).
Defense -
It doesn't get better than this - after four games, Denver's opponents are averaging less than a touchdown per game. That's just plain "scary good".
Denver has been playing Super Bowl-level defense so far. They've given up the fewest point in the NFL, the second-fewest total yards, the third-fewest passing yards, and the fifth-fewest rushing yards.
Special Teams -
Kicker Matt Prater was named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Month for September.
Denver has beaten the Bengals. The Bengals would be undefeated except for that loss, having also beaten the Steelers, the Packers, and the Browns. Denver also beat Dallas, a team that many considered "a real test for Denver". Dallas lost a close game against the potential Super Bowl-favorite Giants 31-33, and won the rest of their games minus the game against Denver. Denver's schedule also included two teams that are struggling (the Browns and the Raiders), but the message is clear; The Denver Broncos are back.
This week, the team will face their toughest challenge to date, the New England Patriots. My gut has been that the Patriots have the edge for this game for several reasons. First, the success that Denver has is due in large part to Denver's desire to copy the NE approach to preparing and growing a football team. Denver is doing a great job, but the genesis for the program is in NE. While Denver is proving themselves to everybody, NE is a cornerstone of football excellence and has been for the decade. But as I dug deeper, I found some tidbits that give me hope for a historic start for Denver. Let's break down the matchups and see what information comes off the chalk board.
The New England Offense
It all starts with Tom Brady, easily one of the top three QBs in the League. Brady does many things very well. First, he spreads the ball around so that opposing teams can't focus on one threat. His movement within the pocket is the best I've ever seen. With a quick step, Brady avoids hits and buys crucial extra seconds to throw the ball. Brady is accurate, and can throw deep. He is very good at reading defenses, and makes good adjustments at the line. Chicks dig him (I'm told).
The NE receivers and TEs are all very good, but three of them are freakishly good. If you know nothing about football, you've heard of Randy Moss. Randy Moss is a deep threat at WR, and deadly. He has the speed, the hands, and the quick stutter step to create distance between himself and just about any defender. Moss has been widely considered one of the best WRs in the League for several years, and with different QBs on different teams. Complementing Moss, Wes Walker specializes in routes in short- to middle-ranges. His quickness and physical play makes him enough of a legitimate threat that no defense can throw everything at stopping Moss. Moss and Welker are arguably one of the top receiving tandems in the League, and playing with one of the best QBs.
It doesn't stop there. One of my favorite TEs in the game is Ben Watson. He has 2 TDs so far this season, and is averaging 14.5 receiving yards after 12 passes. Many players are good at what they do, but Watson is a pure athletic specimen. His speed is frightening, and he has very good hands. He is too fast to be covered by a linebacker, and too physical for most defensive backs. You may recall the 2005 AFC Divisional game in Denver during which elite CB and speed demon Champ Bailey got an interception and ran the ball back nearly the length of the field, only to be hit at the last second by Ben Watson, who took a perfect angle (starting as far back plus the width of the field) with smoke and flames flying off of his patented Iron Man Jet-Boots.
But this year, NE hasn't looked great at running back. They are getting at least 100 yards a game on the ground, but only rank 17th in the run. Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk, and Fred Taylor are all capable RBs, and only need to do enough to make the passing game a threat. In short yardage, they can cause most defenses to choose between stopping the first down or a major play, but they aren't causing a lot of concern for most teams.
The Patriots run the same offensive system as Denver. They will use a lot of 3-WR sets, and like to use two-TE sets as well. They like the edges of the field. When they bring in a FB (Laurence Maroney) he blocks - nothing more. He has no receptions this year, and only 2.9 yards per carry. Brady will throw screen passes to the edges that set up complex blocking schemes to get the receiver downfield, or he will throw to Welker and rely on Welker's solid routes and evasive skills, or he will go to Moss for the deep threat. Watson at TE is the threat always lurking in the passing game, as he can catch the quick hook or just streak up the middle and "split the safeties".
Whatever is a defense to do? That's right. They call in the Blue and the Orange.
The Denver Broncos Defense
Denver can take Welker out of the passing game with their fantastic pass rush. That rush is so effective, it really doesn't require Denver to blitz much at all. (Denver hasn't even really blitzed much this year!) The face of the Denver pass rush attack is Elvis Dumervil. Look at the following two video clips. The first shows Neo (from the film "The Matrix") dodging bullets. The second shows Elvis Dumervil avoiding a face mask with same move as Neo, and going after QB Tony Romo for the sack. Yes, the same back bending move.
NEO -
Dumervil -
(click here, then go to the 1:46 mark, and watch until 1:52)
A defense beats Tom Brady the same way that they beat Peyton Manning of the Colts; they pressure the QB. Denver is doing this better than anyone right now. This is also how the Jets managed to beat Brady.
A second benefit of the pass rush is that it keeps Watson in check. I wrote that the deadly weapon against the Broncos that the Cowboys possessed was TE Jason Witten. Denver's amazing pass rush forced Witten to stay on the line to protect Romo, and took Witten's potential mismatches out of the game. With an effective pass rush, and moving Dumervil around on the line, Watson should be kept in a blocking role.
So we see how the pass rush helps Denver in two key areas - it minimizes Brady, and it takes Watson out of the game. What else does Denver need to do?
The run game isn't a threat for Week Five. Denver's players can play their own brand of football (plugging the gaps with five lineman in a 5-2 look, allowing the LBs enough protection at the second level to stop runs).
In the passing game, Champ Bailey will match up with Moss. This is the best a defense can ask for against Moss; having the best CB in the League to match up against an elite WR is a major help. Against Welker, Denver will have CB Andre' Goodman. He already has an INT for 30 yards (it came against Oakland), and has been playing extremely well opposite Bailey. Anything that can get through either of these high quality CBs faces legendary safety Brian Dawkins and play-making strong safety Renaldo Hill. That's right, both Goodman and Hill have turned into playmakers in Denver, giving Denver a secondary for the ages. (I'll repeat, as I do each week, that there is an argument to be made that Dawkins and Bailey are the best players to have ever played at free safety and cornerback, respectively).
Unlike the last couple of years, Denver is wisely playing both safeties in deep zone coverage, which takes away deep plays and gives both safeties added time to assess and react. As readers of MHR's Xs and Os authors HoosierTeacher and TedBartlett905 know (if I may say so myself), the two best ways to help your cornerbacks to look elite is to have a good pass rush (from the front 7) and solid protection over the top (from the safeties). Denver now has both.
The Denver Offense vs The New England Defense
Denver's offense may not have Tom Brady, but they have some advantages. The offensive line features two of the best tackles in the NFL in Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris. Denver is loaded in depth at WR. Let's look at the list.
- Brandon Marshall - We knew he could run over defenders, but after the game against Dallas, we learned that he has amazing cut-back skills. If he gets the ball, he's very hard to stop.
- Eddie Royal - Doesn't shine as much in an offense that spreads the ball around. But his route skills, agility, speed and hands make him a deadly threat if any team dares to leave him in single coverage with no support in the deep secondary.
- Brandon Stokley - Excellent hands, excellent experience, excellent route runner, and willing to take punishment to make the dangerous catches. Colts' loss, our gain.
- Jabar Gaffney - Familiar with the NE system, he came to Denver already knowing how to play in the new offense. Both he and Stokely can play at #1 or #2 in the event of an injury, and the team would carry on.
Now here's my question for the average fan. You've heard of Shawn Springs at CB, but can you name any other CB on the NE roster? Terrence Wheatley was the only name that came to my mind before I looked up the roster (and no, he's not the #2 CB). In fact, when you move past Vince Wilfork at NT and Ty Warren at LDE, most of the names wouldn't be recognizable to most fans. This isn't a bad thing, since many non-Denver fans probably couldn't name many of the Denver front-seven's players. Name recognition isn't everything, but the point is that NE has had turnover on the defense, and is even currently in talks to bring back Junior Seau.
New England plays the Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4, and relies on multiple looks out of this base to confuse and adjust to opponents. They are well coached, and will improve as the season moves forward. As it is, they rate above average in each vital category (points against - 9th, yards against - 7th, pass against yards 7th, run against yards 11th).
I think Denver will do what they always do, with little change. They'll run the ball and try to establish an early running game. They'll mix in screen plays (which sometimes include the RB in the slot), and spread the field with multiple receiving threats. It will be interesting to see how much difference we might see with Orton's protective glove off.
Matchups in Terms of Rankings
(advantage in italics and bold)
Denver vs New England
Offense Defense
Points scored (avg and rank) 19.8 (19th) 17.8 (9th) Points against (avg and rank)
Yards for (avg and rank) 365 (9th) 287.5 (7th) Yards against (avg and rank)
Pass yards (avg and rank) 217 (18th) 192.2 (7th) Passed against (avg and rank)
Run yards (avg and rank) 148 (4th) 95.2 (11th) Ran against (avg and rank)
Defense Offense
Points against (avg and rank) 6.5 (1) 21.8 (14th) Points scored (avg and rank)
Yards against (avg and rank) 239.8 (2nd) 376 (8th) Yards for (avg and rank)
Passed against (avg and rank) 162.5 (3rd) 273.8 (5th) Pass yards (avg and rank)
Ran against (avg and rank) 77.2 (5th) 102.3 (17th) Run yards (avg and rank)
Keys to the Game
Denver
- Go after Brady. With a good pass rush by Denver, the Patriots lose Watson in the passing game, and Brady has trouble getting the ball to his receivers without risking interceptions.
- Establish the run. Both teams demonstrate better defenses than the opponent's offense in this game except in one matchup. Denver's run game is better than the NE run defense. Denver needs to exploit this in order to keep Brady off the field, and to assist Orton by keeping the defense from focusing on the pass.
- Don't allow the big play. Denver likes to shut down offenses, and to plod along on offense until they see an opening to exploit. This makes for a low-scoring game, and low tempo. If NE is able to create some quick strikes, it may take Denver several possessions to score.
New England
- Don't leave points on the field. Denver won't score on most possesions. A score on every or most possessions (even a FG) will be hard for Denver to catch.
- Get the lead. Denver can protect a lead with the running game easier than they can play catch up. Against Dallas and Cincy, Denver had to rely on big pass plays near the end of the games to get their wins. Get the lead, and force Denver from playing their 4th ranked running game into playing their 18th ranked passing game.
- Protect Brady at all costs. This is the direct inverse, but it is the number one key for both teams, so it bears repeating. In my opinion, the game comes down to whether Brady gets pressured or not.
Conclusion
Before the season, I would have called this game for NE. In fact, going into my preparation for this article, I would have given NE the edge. The more I look at the matchups, the more I see that the teams appear to be very balanced. Both teams will use two TE sets to stop the 3-4 (or Denver's 5-2, if you prefer). NE has the advantage at QB, but both teams have fantastic WRs and TEs. Denver may have the advantage at OL. Right now, I'll take the Denver defense over the Patriots defense in terms of personnel and effectiveness, and I'll take Denver's running game over the Pats.
The key always seem to come down to the trenches, and this game is no different. In this case, if Denver can get to Brady throughout the game, I predict a Denver win. If Brady has time, the game goes the other way. I tend to think the Broncos can get to Brady, but I also think NE will make adjustments throughout the game to protect Brady (including quick passes, screens, and check downs more so than actual blocking adjustments).
This game is too close to call. I really have to give many advantages to Denver (including homefield, the running game, and the elite defense), but NE has the intangible of having the coach from whom our own coach learned from. I ran a very good defense when I coached, and learned everything from my own head coach as well as the first (and only) DC I worked under. Still, I have to admit that I can't begin to fathom coaching against my old mentor and having any success. I'm sure McDaniels is more confident than I am, but when you hold up a mentor as the best coach in the League (and I think McDaniels holds Belichick in this regard), it is hard for me to believe that the butterflys aren't in the gut right about now. McDaniels will do everything in his power to ready this team, and the players won't be intimidated. So may be this really is "just another game".
If Denver wins, they move beyond being for real and become real contenders for a deep playoff run. If they lose, the doomsayers will claim that the Broncos aren't so great after all.
Denver has a two-game lead over SD in the AFC West playoff race. SD has the week off to nurse wounds, then plays Denver, then plays two games they should win (KC and OAK). Denver needs all the padding they can get for their lead in the race.
Win or lose, Denver has already proven that they have a very good team. We should shake off the concerns for how the media folks see Denver, and do what fans of good teams do. Let's focus on the race for the playoffs now, and use this game as an early gauge for how well we might fare. (And let's not forget the revenge factor after a beating last year at the hands of the Patriots. The engineer of that beating is now on our side, so it should be a very interesting game).
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I voted Denver....
….but almost voted Too Close to Call. This will be such an interesting match up. Part of me leans towards the Pats because they have Brady, BB and ostensibly a deeper roster throughout. But the other part says Denver is playing incredible defense as well as limited mistakes on offense. Plus, the offense is picking it up by the week and Kowshon is about to break out.
Final edge goes to the Broncos for the striped socks advantage. :)
by Gristle McThornbody on Oct 9, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything except the socks.
I think the socks work against us.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Bellichek has an advantage over McDaniels
But I see the Denver coaching staff overall superior to the Patriots especially at OC and DC. So I think that swings the overall preparation advantage back to us.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 9, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think the striped socks gives us a “Boy Named Sue” advantage. The guys have to be thoroughly embarrassed by those socks. Like the elephants in tutus in Disney’s Fantasia. Come to think of it, this month a lot of players will also be wearing pink. So maybe it is a push.
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you didn't see my post below...
…I love the socks, haha.
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pink isn't cool on a football field, but...
…this month it sure is. I think what the NFL is doing for breast cancer is great.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Chalk Talk, HT!
Until I read your post, I was feeling some trepidation about this matchup! Your post has shown that the teams match up closely. All the more reason for the “12th man” to shake the stands this weekend.
Thanks, rec’d and appreciated. Go Broncos!
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by hairybear on Oct 9, 2009 11:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As close as I think this could be...
…it would be nice for NE to get a penalty because the fans were loud enough on a key play. Home field needs to be an advantage in this League, and the fans can be a major part of it.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Hoping the 4-0 start has united this fanbase and our 12th man really shows up on Sunday. If we play well, they will.
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by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 9, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
United fan base.
I think the fans proved they were united when they rocked the stadium booing Cutler. And now, at 4-0, I think we are finaly united AND optimistic.
I just hope we are LOUD too.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
The stands won’t be filled with opposing team fans like last week. Seeing all the transplant Dallas fans was discouraging… GO BACK TO TEXAS IF YOU LIKE IT SO MUCH!
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by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was living in Colorado...
…there were a lot of jokes about Texans (because of the perception that all they do is brag about Texas, but they come to COLORADO for vacation). The only one I remember is “What’s the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a dead Texan? The skunk has skid marks in front of it”.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick Question HT (and your article is rec'd reading of course)
New England plays the Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4
HT, I think I read somewhere that NE has moved or is moving to a base 4-3?
And a comment. I think Denver wins based on matchups and intangibles. But even if we lose this will better prepare the team for a deep playoff run.
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 11:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothin I researched showed a true 4-3.
In fact, I read some comments from the Broncos (in refering to NE) talking about the 3-4 being different than ours.
They run a two gap scheme out of the 3-4 currently, but like Denver they can show a lot of 4-3 looks by playing an OLB on the line. After reading your comment, I checked a few depth charts out from other sites, and only found 3-4 info. Perhaps your information is correct, and NE hasn’t switched yet.
I agree that a good game, win or lose, will be great experience for this team against the Patriots.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a few quibbles
They do base out of a 4-3 this year, but the personnel list won’t necessarily betray that. Wilfork, Sands, Pryor, Wright, Green, and Brace cycle through on the line, with Burgess and Thomas often lining up with a hand in the dirt or in a tight alignment.
That said, the defense is best described as “multiple,” with myriad looks depending on down-and-distance or anticipated personnel and desired matchups. Against the Ravens, for example, there were numerous plays with only two down linemen and 3 linebackers — 6 dbs on the field with Brandon McGowan lining up as a run-force strong safety.
In re: Maroney. He’s not an FB. His rushing stats suck, but he’s a TB that dances too much. He’s crap a run-blocking (which I’ve only seen him do on kick returns anyway) but can pick up a pass rush. He’s been used more as a (very) poor man’s Reggie Bush lately, though some still cling to the belief that he could return to 2007 form, where he finished out the regular season with four straight 100 yard games. He has break-away speed, but he can’t find the holes.
When the Pats need a fullback, they’ll do one of two things. The most conventional option is to bring in Sammy Morris, who was drafted as a FB by Miami but who typically lines up as a TB. He’s a decent blocker, though by no means devastating.
The second option is a tight end, either in the FB’s spot or as an H-back, sometimes out of a “pro” or “flex” set. There have been a couple of occasions this year where they’ve lined up w/two tights lined up 2 yards behind the tackles. That’s Belichick for you.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooo, I feel for ya.
he’s a TB that dances too much
That’s like fingernails on the chalkboard to me. At any level, I just cringe when I see TB’s dance too much.
Just go!
Richard Seymour is a girl.
by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks JHR
Nice to hear from a Pats fan. Did you know the scuttlebutt at the time was that Shanahan almost traded to get Maroney?
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd heard that, and I get it.
He was explosive as a Golden Gopher w/ battery-mate MBIII. He’s been very, very frustrating for Pats fans. There have been glimpses of greatness — he’s both fast and has been occasionally quite physical. But he’s oft-injured and he clearly thinks too much. If he doesn’t figure it out this year, most of us will write him off as a bust.
(Then he’ll probably go somewhere else and crush it. Oh well.)
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
JHR, I’m hoping you give some props to hoosierteacher. He does this every week and MHR deeply appreciates his insight and work. Do you have anything similar over at your site?
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely! This is great--mad props.
No, we don’t. It’s just MaPatsFan over there, with Marima doing daily links. We just don’t have the capacity.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jump in man!
That’s how I started. Use your knowledge to write some good game preps, whether or not you get picked up by the front page. The other members at your site will appreciate it!
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ a bunch more
read your stuff here and Pats Pulpit. You’ve got a lot to add
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheers to you both.
I wrote a bit last year and actually have FP authorization. I’ve just been so busy this year (starting in the spring) that there really hasn’t been any time to do it. If you’re curious, click on the “blog” tab in my profile. The better stuff is from 2008.
FWIW, I regard MHR as the undisputed king of SBN. It has been high-quality from the opening whistle.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you've been on SB Nation that long
Then Kudos to you!
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 9, 2009 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks to me
mostly like 3-4 personnel but one of your OLBs seems to have a hand in the dirt on most plays. To the extent that some call Denver a 3-4 I would also call NE a 3-4. But if you see Denver as a 5-2 then NE is probably a 4-3.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah--it's really about personnel anymore.
Very few teams are purely anything any more. Generally speaking, I do see most 3-4 teams as 5-2’s — it’s more reflective of where the guys line up and what their responsibilities are.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question...
In a pro set, with two backs lined up across from each other, would you consider one of them to be a FB? I wouldn’t. But I agree that NE (like Denver) shows a lot of looks. The only 4-3 looks I’ve really seen look more like 3-4 “over” or “under”, with one OLB or the other coming up to the line.
As for Maroney, I’ve only seen 3 RBs listed for NE, and Moroney listed as FB. We can quibble as to whether he is a true RB or not, but I guess I’m not seeing it. (NE doesn’t use a FB much, and when they do, they don’t use Maroney much. He doesn’t seem to play well in either role though, which is the larger point).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A:
Regarding the pro-set Q, no, I wouldn’t. When one blocks for the other in a run play, I’m treating that guy as an FB by purpose, not alignment. If he’s back there to block on the play, I consider his function to be that of a FB, even if he’s lined up in a pro set. In my mind, it matters more what a guy does when you describe his role, rather than where he lines up.
All of our backs are listed by the team as “RBs” which sort of speaks to the point. I don’t know where your reading Maroney as a FB, but the team calls him an RB. We don’t have a FB. The last one we had that was listed as such (and functioned almost exclusively as such) was Heath Evans, now with New Orleans.
Not that it matters much. As you note, he’s not been producing in any role with one small exception. When he splits or swings for a pass, he’s been effective.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh
“you’re”
tch
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver isn't listing anyone as a FB either.
Another thing that McD borrowed from his mentor. Still, even though Hillis will run more as a RB than as a FB, he (or Larsen) will fill the FB role in any I Form varients.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the TE that caught up with bailey on that 99 yd interception return was Daniel Graham.
Great read, Thanks!!
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by kwool79 on Oct 9, 2009 11:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was sure it was Watson...
…but I looked it up after reading your comment. It was Watson.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do You Agree?
Den O vs Pat D = advantage Den
QB’s = adv Pat
WR = even
TE = even
RB = adv Den
Oline = adv Den
Pat O vs Den D = advantage Den
Dline = adv Den
LB = even
CB/S = adv Den
Den ST vs Pat ST = even but I might give Den the adv factoring in coordinators
Den coaching vs Pat coaching = even
Intangibles: Home field advantage; team emotion = advantage Den
Brady is the coolest dude I think I have ever seen in the pocket. His delivery is usually flawless and the ball seems to glide out of his hand. But he can be rattled under pressure and forced to throw ill-advised passes. I have yet to see Orton rattled into making a bad pass.
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Where I might disagree.
TE – Denver. They have an awesome TE in NE, but we have two. Add Quinn for depth and we have three good TEs.
Dline – Hard to call, but I might go even here.
LB – Den. I’ll take Doom, DJ, Haggen and Davis over any of their current guys.
Coaching – still too early to tell.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Referring
to The TE that caught up with Bailey on that INT return.
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Chalk Talk HT.
Denver has been successfull against the Patriots over the last several years. I have heard “people” say that since this was with Shanahan the edge goes to Belichick since Shanny isn’t here. However, nobody opposing QB knows the Pats better than McD. Besides we have a solid defense that should be able to create more pressure on Brady. He doesn’t play well outside his “comfort zone” of the pocket so the more hits on him and hands in his face the better.
I voted Denver because our run game and run defense is better and we have the homefield edge. This will be another close game like last week.
Come on Broncos, let’s go 5-0.
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by weazel on Oct 9, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I kind of agree with folks...
…that say it was Shanahan that beat the Patriots. Shanahan had a lot of good qualities, and game planning for the offense was one of them. He knew how to play against the Pats, and that was a different Broncos team.
However, the doesn’t take away from McDaniels. It just means that it was a different type of Broncos unit beating the Pats all those years. McDaniels has more info on the Pats, as the Pats only have four games to really figure out McDaniels. (His time as OC counts for something, but it is a big shift to move from OC to HC, and that’s how the Pats need to plan for the game).
Agreed that our number one priority for this game is to pressure Brady.
Good stuff!
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Now that McDaniels is our HC he will know a heck of a lot more about the Pats. Hopefully that will give us the edge in the game plan.because as you said Belichick only has 4 games to look at.
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by weazel on Oct 9, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the 20 or so McD coached NE's offense through, of course...
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by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is an advantage to knowing the other coach though...
…I would give it to McD. There are going to be differences moving from OC to HC, while Belichick remains the same coach. On the other hand (as I point out below), Belichick has the experience factor.
Of course, Endzone is correct (and so are McD and Belichick in their conferences) – the “who knows who” thing is overblown. It comes down to the players and tactics more than preparing for a particular coach.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bellichek has coached and won is Super Bowls so that alone is an edge to me
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by dmitchell624 on Oct 9, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Who knows who"
Here’s McD’s answer (from ESPN):
"It is going to come down to whoever tackles better, who blocks better, who throws better, who catches better," McDaniels said. "It is not going to be a big game of tricks and gimmicks, I don’t think. I think they are going to know plenty of what we are doing, if not all, and we are probably going to know a lot about what they are doing. It is going to come down to whose players play the best and who can make the plays and avoid the big mistakes in the game, like most games come down to. I don’t think this game is going to be about deception. I think it is going to be about us trying to play good football, and they are going to do the same thing. Whoever plays better on Sunday will win the game."
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by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neat coincidence.
Both McD and Belechick said the same thing, almost word for word. I read both of their comment about an hour apart, and it was creepy. lol
BTW, I agree with them both.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Familiarity
I know there is a lot of talk that McD and Belichick know each other and McD also knows the Patriots players. But honestly. How big an advantage to either of them is that? Each game is schemed and played differently. Tendencies are only that…tendencies. Just because a guy usually calls heads on a coin toss doesn’t mean he won’t call tails.
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
But if there is an edge to “knowing the other coach”, I give it to McDaniels. This is a wash though, because the experience factor goes to Belichick.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's always the
“I taught you everything that you know – but not everything I know” factor.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you guys saw this...
…it’s probably not everything he knows, but I still bet there are coaches in the NFL who would give their left nut for those five pages and the whole unit for the conversations that followed.
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by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That entire story impressed me when I read it.
I admire McDaniels for taking his studies under Belechick so seriously, and admire Belechick for taking that time.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved the way it brought out Belichick as teacher
That’s always been something that sets him aside and his teams above many others. BB teaches constantly. When he thought about McD setting out as a HC, he immediately thought of how to teach him to make his experience better. It’s a great story and speaks so well of the man.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 9, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT
Some people have mentioned that Denver’s D started out great in 2005 and then stunk for the last 10 weeks. What indications do you see that what we are seeing is not just a mirage. I still hold some trepidation that they can keep playing this well. I’m positive that we won’t keep the points against per game to 6.5, but how high do you think it would get and still be respectable?
Also, you mentioned that Denver is pressuring the QB without really blitzing a lot. Do you have any numbers, or is that just what you’ve learned by watching each game?
Thank you very much. It’s so awesome that we have an actual coach to explain the matchups to us. The staff at MHR is amazing. Awesome stuff. Love it!
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by solace on Oct 9, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
One factor
This may not be the whole answer, but I remember even during that stretch on ‘05, analysts, etc. talking about how Denver was a "bend but don’t break" defense, giving up big yards, and how they were using a lot of blitzes to try and generate pressure on the QB, which be effective over the long-haul.
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by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that's right
Big blitz will work sometimes, but, if you read TMQ on ESPN, he posits that as the season goes on, you’re more likely to get burned by it. I think you have to pick your spots. One of the things TMQ writes is that the average gain per play is (depending on season/time), say, 4 yards. So he asks why big blitz when it’s third and six? Averages dictate that playing straight up should yield a stop. I think I agree with him.
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by solace on Oct 9, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bend don't break is a good way to go.
It is how I coached my defense. But a team should NEVER be giving up big yards as a part of it. The idea is to take away the big play, and force the offense to eat the clock and go down the field in small gains. Because it takes so darned many plays to move the ball, the offense is much more likely to suffer a fumble or INT, simply because their are more plays and opportunities for mistakes.
In my opinion, DC Coyer’s big problem was an inability to change the scheme from game to game (and to an extent, within the games) and it got figured out too quickly.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember a game during Gannon's heyday in Oakland.
It was either the year the raiders went to the Super Bowl or the year after, Coyer had a special package where he rushed only 2 linemen and the rest covered, trying to negate the short passes. It seemed like a great plan to me but it failed miserably in the actual game. What bothered me was it seemed no adjustments were made at any point in the game to try something else.
by Dwhite on Oct 9, 2009 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It failed to the tune of 34-10
or something very close to that. Gannon simply sat back and picked the broncos apart. I’m pretty sure it was the raiders’ Super Bowl year.
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by spock on Oct 10, 2009 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A slight correction
It was Ray Rhodes who created the embarrassing “rush two” scheme. It cost him the DC job. I liked Coyer’s defenses better than Rhodes’, but he was ultimately forced to compensate for a lack of D-line talent with an excessive reliance on blitzes. Boy am I glad we’re now using a 3-4/5-2 scheme that suits the players currently on the roster!
by MFC on Oct 10, 2009 1:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 or 2006?
In 2005 we had a decent, not great defense but we did blitz a lot. The defense finished strong including knocking Brees out on the last game of the season.
In 2006 we started out strong, not giving up any touchdowns through 5 games I think. But injuries to key players, especially Brandon and Lynch, exposed a lack of depth. Coyer completely failed to adapt to the replacement players he was forced to rely on.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he (and I) meant 2006.
It was the year we didn’t give up TDs for several games, then teams ran over us.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see some fundamental differences between 2009 and 2006
To begin with, in 2006 we got a lot of pressure from our blitz, but had trouble getting pressure with our base 4-man rush. So far this year we have been very successful getting pressure with a 4-man rush so when we do blitz it is very disruptive.
In 2006 we were getting pressure, but weren’t finishing off the plays. We pressured QBs but didn’t get the sacks. This year we are getting the sacks, at least so far.
In 2006 we relied on 8 in the box to stop the run; this year we are stopping it with our base front, leaving 2 safeties over the top.
In 2006 Champ was generating almost 2/3s of our turnovers. Once teams just stopped going his way the others couldn’t pick up the slack. This year everyone in getting in on the act.
In 2006 we had very little depth on defense. Once injuries started accumulating there was a marked falloff in performance. Look at our depth this year. Does it really matter who is in at DE/LB? Doom, Reid, Haggan, Ayers – they have all been productive. D-line – the same story. We have two nickle corners who are both better than either of the corners we played with most of last year.
Overall I think this is a much better defense than 2006, or for that matter, any D we’ve seen in probably 20 years in Denver.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Great answer, WG
…. and rec’d. This could make a Fanpost in and of itself.
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by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great questions Solace!
The situation between 2005 and this year is 100% different, and here’s why. In 2005, we ran Coyer’s “Show Blitz” system. It is really an excellent system, but the problem was that Coyer had a weakness. Like me, he wasn’t terribly good at game time adjustments. Every coach has strengths and weaknesses, and Coyer didn’t seem to address this weakness. In my case, I assigned my assistents to watch for different things, and to advise me during the game. I also made sure that the players would tell me if they noticed something (such as, “Coach, I just can’t move that guy”).
Nolan has strengths and weaknesses too. Game time adjustments are not an issue for him. In fact, his ability to adapt his defense for what is happening is a strength of his.
As for the blitz, I come at this from two angles. One, I’ve seen each game so far and not seen much blitzing (remember, I’m defining the blitz as being anyone other than a rusher, which is someone off the line. Coaches will disagree. McDaniels, for example, calls a blitz “Anything more than four players rushing”) . Second, despite McDaniels definition of a blitz, he himself has said the team has gotten a good enough rush to allow the other players to keep their own assignments.
All the best to you!
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually we have run
some very timely and well designed blitzes. Remember Doom’s first sack against Cleveland? It came on a play where Dawkins blitzed. Last week we got a fumble on an excellently designed weakside safety blitz. Then on the crucial 4th down play, Hill also came on a weakside blitz. Romo was unable to look for his #2 read because Hill was breathing down his neck.
The key though, in my opinion, has been our ability to generate pressure with a 4-man rush. When you can generate pressure with a 4-man rush, then your blitzes are a magnitude of order more effective.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
We are blitzing, and those blitzes are well timed. But overall, I don’t think we have blitzed much.
(I’m considering the formation to be 5-2 [DE – DG – NT – DG – DE] instead of traditional 3-4, and considering the pass rush as being from those positions. Many folks would call anything over 4 a blitz, while I would call anything other than someone from the line a blitzer. For example, I don’t consider every goaline defense to be a blitz, since there are many people on the line and all of them are going for the penetration anyway. Good minds will disagree on this though).
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
I think of a blitz as anything more that 4 rushers.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of coaches do too.
Including McD. You’re in very good company!
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on blitz in general is
Blitzes are like garnish on food. They make the whole thing an order of magnitude better when used subtely. Overuse it and they ruin the dish.
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by Bronkos on Oct 9, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garnish
Is to make a plate appealing. I believe your talking about spices.
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by 3nS on Oct 9, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 9, 2009 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I may be so bold...
I would like to offer my two cents…Something I see that is different with this team as opposed to the defenses of the past, even last years that started out doing pretty good the first 4 games is this…
1. This defense game plans every week, thus what you see one week is not there the next or the next… the defenses of the past had pretty much one scheme fits all and asked it’s players to adjust to the nuances of each new offense, this defense makes micro and macro changes even within one quarter much less half to half.
2. Which brings me to the other thing thing I see that is different with this defense is the adjustments they make throughout the game. It puts players in the best possible position to make the plays. Another thing I see is this defense is playing with heart and hunger… look at the way they are swarming!!! You see a ball carrier running, say to the outside, and then you see an orange jersey come into the screen and then all of a sudden there are 4 or 6 orange jerseys that just come out of nowhere. No one gives up on any play, they just keep the pedal to the metal until the whistle blows
Anyway just my two cents
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by lovewatchinthegame on Oct 9, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff, and agreed!
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but..
It is still Tom Brady and you never know what he could do. I just hope that our defense puts enough pressure on him to make a bad decision maybe a Champ Bailey defensive score. :-D I could see it going like the match up a couple years ago when we beat them 17 – 10. I love that Bronco’s D! Doom and the Terrible Ten! (Darell Reid’s made up name for the Bronco’s D)
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If you haven't guessed
already, it was too close to call for me.
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thx, HT!
enjoy the thoughts…..I like Denver to win. I don’t wanna go overboard, but a small piece of me thinks we could blow ‘em out….maybe I’m just trying to jinx the whole thing though. I feel like the stage is kinda set for that…..its gonna be a great watch either way.
by BideshiBronco on Oct 9, 2009 12:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, HT
I respect Brady and Belichek and am concerned about our coverage of TEs and RBs on the short and flat routes, as well as screens. I see the gears in Belichek’s head deciding that’s the way to beat our D – especially considering Fred Taylor is out for sure. That’s why HT is right: it’s ESSENTIAL to generate a solid pass rush early and keep the TEs in blocking roles. This is exacerbated by the likely bad weather this Sunday.
By the same token, short passes to WRs and TEs who can break tackles and get significant YAC, of which we have an abundance, are going to be key. Both Orton and Brady have plenty of experience playing in crappy weather but it’s essential Kyle starts out accurate, unlike his last few games – perhaps a result of the glove.
Also in agreement with HT, the 2009 Broncos are NOT designed to come back from 10+ points (they may be able to at times, but likely not against a good D in bad weather), so we’ve GOT to have a solid 1st half.
I’m excited to see more of Moreno, sad Buck is hurt – can’t wait to get him back – and hoping Hillis gets more touches. I think he’s the type of player that needs to get hit and hit some people to get going.
by JohnElwayOverdrive on Oct 9, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You raise a good point that I missed.
For this game, I think weather favors us. The reason though isn’t so much to do with the QB or the passing game (in my opinion), but the run game. Running games can dominate in bad weather, and we have the better run game (and run defense).
Remember Hillis carving up the Jets in that rain storm in NY? (Cutler was good too, which surprised people because the weather was so terrible).
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
First game without the glove
and in bad weather leads me to expect Kyle to be off the mark at least in the first half until he really gets the ‘feel’ back in his hand. I expect McD to break him in by using lots of short stuff and pounding the rock tel Kyle tells him the finger is totally comfortable
by Flunkie on Oct 9, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the weather is bad....
I hope Orton plays with the glove. If my memory serves me right, I have seen Plummer use the glove in inclement weather. If the weather is really bad, I would give the Broncos a huge edge. Two reasons:
1. Conditions favorable for running (and we are good at both run and run defense)
2. If the conditions are bad enough that both QB’s have to wear the glove, Orton has had a lot more time in it, and thus is more comfortable with it.
I would love if someone commented on this.
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by Bronkos on Oct 9, 2009 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The glove is not the typical glove worn for weather.
This glove is a special glove designed to protect the stitches and to keep the injury from opening back up while playing the game. Orton would wear a different glove for bad weather, and won’t be wearing the current glove again.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 9, 2009 12:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You are most welcome!
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voted TCTC
But this could be something really close like 17-16. Bad time to lose Buck, but I guess it evens things out with Taylor out, too. This would be a great time for Moreno to really break out, and I’m hoping to see Hillis have a good day, too. Maybe the rain/snow will be such that it really minimized the amount of throws for both teams, giving us the advantage. Of course it could also contribute to some slick conditions and fumbles. I see both teams being really fired up for this one.
Go Broncos!
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by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 9, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If the weather is really bad...
…I’ll take Denver for sure, at least against a poor running team like NE.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad weather?
If its snowing but still in the 30’s I don’t see the wheather as that bad as to really effecting the outcome of the game. If it is slippery I’d expect to see a lot of Lamont Jordan. a big sure footed runner that doesn’t fumble the ball.
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by 3nS on Oct 9, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I understand you correctly, HT,
We will see a great defense (Denver) v. a great offense and a good offense (Denver again) v. a good defense. It seems like it could come down to a wash which might make the special teams play all the more important.
How do they (special teams) match up, do you think?
Do you think the weather will be a significant factor? The predictions are for temps in the mid 30’s to low 40’s, with a wind out of the SE at about 6-8 mph, but no precipitation until later or even after the game. I thinking about the wind in particular given Prator’s two misses earlier in the year.
Rec’d, of course. I love your articles.
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by Trinidad Jack on Oct 9, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If the weather is bad...
..go with Denver. We can run and defend the run better than NE. If we get beat, it WON’T be in the running game. Bad weather means more running. The cold has an effect (it makes the ball more like a brick), but precipitation or wind each have more effect.
STs – I don’t think either team has an advantage in returns, and both can cover well. I’ve been very impressed with both Kern and Prater though, and know little about the NE K/P tandem. I might call the STs a wash, but I’m not well enough informed to call that. STs have always been a mystery to me, and I would defer on STs to those who know more than me.
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by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sleep on our running game.
With the exception of Buffalo, each of the teams we’ve played ranks in the top half of the league in run defense, including Baltimore, which is first. With the exception of Dallas (which is 16th), each of the teams you’ve played is in the bottom half, including Cleveland, which is last. You could make the argument that your success and our weakness has contributed to those rankings, but we’re four games into the season now, so the sample size is a bit broader.
We don’t put up big numbers, but our running game is effective rather than voluminous. Our short yardage percentage is good — if we need two we’ve been pretty good at getting three, etc. Our backs don’t have big stats largely because they rotate in and out pretty regularly. (Oh, and Maroney dances.)
In re: kickers, Gostkowski leads the league in FGs made and is second in attempts (11-12) w/ a long of 45. Prater is 8-8 w/ a long of 50. They’re both 100% on PATs, so let’s call it a wash.
NE has one of the kickoff coverage teams in the league; opponents are averaging 27.4 ypr, but the long is only 43, so we’re giving up a bunch pretty regularly. Advantage: DEN. The same is true for punts, but the same is true for Denver on punts. A wash.
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by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That should read
“one of the worst kickoff coverage…”
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by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me like
a lot of your running yardage has come off draw plays. Do you think you can ground and pound if ti comes to that?
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno.
We haven’t had to this year. When we had LaMont, we did it with largely the same o-line we have this year. When we had Dillon we did it with slightly different (but IMO no better) personnel on the o-line.
Ground-and-pound depends on building up a rhythm. If you run consistently, you begin to get better. One example would be the Atlanta game, where we had a TD drive of 51 yards and 6 plays. First, an incomplete pass. Second, swing pass to the RB for 10. Then, run (8), run (19), run (6), run (8, TD). None were draws, all were between the tackles. Now, ATL doen’t have an imposing defense by any means, and they’re kind of light in the seat if you know what I mean.
But the potential is there. Potentially. I hope we don’t have to find out this week.
I should also say that I’ve not been a huge fan of the play-calling this year. We miss Josh just a bit in that department.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I used to coach line technique using film of Hannah and Gray.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love a debrief after Sunday:
In re: Mankins, Koppen, Neal. Mankins and Neal each got gameballs from BB after our win over the Ravens, and Koppen does a pretty good Jeff Saturday impression IMO.
Always interested to hear from a pro.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a fair point.
Of course, the easy reply is that those teams are ranking low because we shut them down, but like you point out, there are 4 total games to spread that over. I guess it depends on how wide of a sample you consider the other three games to be.
Purely from a scheme or system perspective, Denver has been plugging the gaps with five up front, leaving two true LBs to cover anything getting through. Denver’s front seven are dedicated to stopping the run, though the penetration has been terrific. When a team can have five players focused on penetration, it doesn’t matter if the play is pass or run. The gaps are all plugged, and the (1 gap linemen) are getting though in most cases anyway.
Now the four DBs can focus on the pass while the two LBs zone. Whether or not the Denver front seven players are good at stopping the run may be immaterial – the scheme has them outnumbering the offense.
I’m basing that on the formula that 1 defensive lineman is the equivelent of 1.5 OLinemen. With a 3 man front, you typicaly have to send in a LB to even things out. With a 4 man front, you can rush those 4 only. But with Denver’s 5 man front, regardless of talent, that’s a heck of a lot of guys plugging gaps. One of them is likely to get in the backfield every time, and stopping the run at or near scrimmage (even on the offense’s side of the line) is a nice by product.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE
OUR VERTICALLY STRIPED BROWN AND MUSTARD SOCKS! I’m totally going to try to find some before the game!
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhm,
…don’t do that. That wouldn’t be too cool. I’m just sayin’.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I thought it’d be really cool.. I embrace the brown and mustard. I love orange and blue, but those are a pair of socks that I would mind wearing in support of our Denver Broncos this weekend. ;-)
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
I know it is for a good cause. I’m just sayin’.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
*wouldn't mind
Thanks, HT. :-)
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 2:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You just made my Friday
There’s nothing quite like another great Chalk Talk…
HT, we saw a 3 TE run formation in midfield play in Week II, but haven’t since. I suspect that this is part of how McD schemes – if they don’t know what we’re going to run, it’s tough to game plan for it so he varies things constantly. Even so – this seems to me to be a good game to use it. The Pats D line is suspect against the run and I think that our players can overpower them. any thoughts on this?
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 9, 2009 12:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call.
This WOULD be a good game to use it, particularly if the weather is bad. Since NE uses it too, they wouldn’t be too surprised to counter it. The REAL surprise would be to use it, and THROW out of it. When that starts happening on a regular basis, more people will take notice. I don’t think we’ll go that far this game.
I don’t think it would be a bad idea to use a running based 3 TE to run the clock. We might do it with a lead near the end of the game.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually
like to let everyone know that I’ve been reading this site for the past three to four months and I love it. It’s where I get all my updates and I love reading all your comments. I tried several times to make an accout on my blackberry, but was unsuccessful. I finally have it set up on my computer and I’ll try to get it on my blackberry. Today is my first day. I hope I could fit in. =D
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course you'll fit in.
Unless you’re smack talking everyone, it’s almost impossible not to. :)
Welcome aboard1
This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
by solace on Oct 9, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate it,
Solace. I’ve been a Bronco fan for about 15 years now. =)
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a lot of fans in California.
You’ll fit right in.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
I’m a newcomer to Carlsbad myself – welcome to MHR!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 9, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
Glad you’re here!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT.
I’ve been checking out this site for all my Bronco’s news and I love reading all of your guys’ comments. Tried several times to make an account on my Black Berry. But, finally got on a computer and figured it out. =D Thanks for the welcome.
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of us had this as a probable Loss going into the season
Isn’t it nice to be able to even speculate that we can play against the best teams in the league. I’m in the too close to call camp but it’s broncobears fault afer reading his article on Belichick!
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Oct 9, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Too funny.
…but it’s broncobears fault afer reading his article on Belichick!
This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
by solace on Oct 9, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on this game.
Let’s rate teams 1 to 5. 1 is terrible, 2 is bad, 3 is average, 4 is good, and 5 is top tier.
Cleveland and Oakland are 1’s in my mind. Cincy has shown that they may be a 3+ team. Dallas is (perhaps) a 4 -.
NE is a 5 (as are several teams on our schedual). We’ve beaten a couple of decent to good teams, but NE is a good standard for a very good team most years. This game is a true test for us.
And yes, like you wrote, it is great that we know think of this game as a close match-up instead of a probable loss. Other teams on the schedule have shown some decline (SD and PITT for example), but it still looks rough going forward. If we win this game, the schedule will still be tough, but we’ll have a tough enough team to get through it. In fact, the tough schedule would be great preparation for the playoffs. With our acendency over SD, the playoffs are becoming more of a reality.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed HT
I feel the same way about this weekend. I’m actually hoping that the weather is crap. All the better for playoff prep, even if it is to highlight what needs work. That said, I also agree that this will be the type of game that Denver should win. I also think the three tight end sets could become a staple, both run and pass this weekend. I’ll crack up if we come back Sunday night with Guru and Mondays with the rest of you wizards laughing about what a great game Hillis and Quinn had, but it wouldn’t suprise me at all!
by Flying Dutchman on Oct 9, 2009 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yeah, blame it on the Bear……grin
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Oct 9, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff, HT!
I voted for Denver for a couple of reasons: Our running game seems superior to their defense, and we’re at home. This week I believe the ‘12th man’ will be an integral part of the game for Denver, and hope all the attending fans will bring plenty of throat lozenges with them. Although I agree that Brady is an elite QB, he seems to have been playing on skates this season, and crowd noise seems to bother him more than in years past. I don’t know if he’s still protecting his knee or what, but he just seems to be nervous to me. I hope McD & Co watch the superbowl vs Green Bay a lot this week to learn how a small offensive line turned big old Gilbert Fatso into a huffing, puffing bag of wind. Vince Wolfork seems vulnerable to the same kind of stuff — roll-outs by Orton and cut-back runs from Moreno et al. That seems to be where Shanny found a great deal of his success against the Pats.
by 42n81 on Oct 9, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Brady started out too tentative this year...
…but he has really improved each game. I think he’ll be back in his usual great form this week, so I don’t think that’s a factor. However, if the defense can get to him enough times, he can get rattled.
The size difference won’t be a factor. McDaniels knows that a skilled zone blocking offense makes up for lack of size with synchronization and agility, and he’ll leave that to the line coach.
And yes, we need to bring the noise this weekend. I hope there’s someone running the display board to tell fans when to get loud and when to quiet down. Fans at the old stadium were pretty smart, but I don’t know about the new crowd.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The X factor
I think the big question in this game is Nolan and his defense. McD knows NE, NE knows McD, but NE is not very familiar with Nolan. Add Josh’s insight into their offense and I think Nolan can tip the scales in Denver’s favor.
Richard Seymour is a girl.
by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 12:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Nolan is running a magnificent defense.
He is not only a great coordinator, but his tenure as a head coach may have given him some good insight too. I hope he sticks with being a DC, because it is what he is best at. I don’t expect any team to run over Nolan. A big play may get by here and there (it happens to anybody), but I don’t see anyone running up a score.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting for this
I think Denver’s top priority is to stop the short- mid passing. It doesn’t matter how much pressure Denver can put on Brady if he is able to get rid of the ball quickly. So the important thing is to put them in 3rd and long otherwise Brady will win this game.
Offensively I think Denver needs to run the ball at least 15 times in the first half to wear down the NE defense so things open up in the second half.
I figure if they do those two things it will be 19-10 Denver.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Oct 9, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Run at NE to wear them down (both altitude and cold weather condtions), and put pressure on Brady to take away the pass. We win if this turns into a running game.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
been waiting for your post all week :)
thanks a lot! excellent insight as usual. i’m so glad orton’s glove is coming off!!! can’t wait to see if it helps :)
by march20 on Oct 9, 2009 1:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks so much...
…for the kind words. I enjoy writing for MHR because of comments like that. I appreciate it!
(Waiting all week!)
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for a great post
And some very good points… Oh how I wish Denmark had even MORE NFL coverage, although it’s getting quite good recently.
We’ve 3 games each sunday + monday night… Unfortunalty it’s in the late hours, from 1900 to 0500 on sunday and 0230 to 5000 when watching monday night.
by Jebbins on Oct 9, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If you come to the United States...
…you have a place to stay my friend.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I ever drop by...
I’ll surely drop you a line ;)
(Goes for Kirk too)
by Jebbins on Oct 9, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa
by KaptainKirk on Oct 9, 2009 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to take
off guys. Hopefully, I could figure out how to make comments from my Black Berry. Well, catch you guys later. Thanks. Bye! Go Broncos!!!!
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 1:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great read HT, I voted for a Denver win,
All things considered, I believe Belichick is bringing Jr. Seau back,
for the same reason we have Bdawk and others. ( Leadership )
I really think New Englands Defense hasn’t gelled yet – Advantage,
Denver.
Anyway it should be a interesting game where, the Teacher and the
Student, or the Master and The Apprentice, meet on the field of Dreams.
Rec’d
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Oct 9, 2009 1:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seau is confirmed.
I don’t know when he starts, but he has a done deal in place.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I wasn't clear HT,
I know Seau is confirmed, ( just not this week ) but Belichick has
re – tooled his Defense to the point it lacks Leadership. He needs
a QB for his defense.
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Oct 9, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yes, I saw the videos, Neo - Doom, lol
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Oct 9, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"lacks Leadership"
It doesn’t seem this way from my seat. You may not know their names, but there are leaders there. Front to back: Wilfork, Thomas (Mayo when he’s healthy), Merriweather and Sanders.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Oct 9, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Leadership isn’t the issue.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I stand corrected
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Oct 9, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you know.
I was just making comment in general.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the exact forecast for this game?
I hear people saying its bad but bad is differnt to different people.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Oct 9, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My opinion....
Cold is bad, but not real bad. (It makes the ball more “solid” and it feels “heavier”). The ball is harder to pass, the ground is harder, hits to players hurt much more, and players recover more slowly from each play.
Wet weather affects the ball and field (slick), and favors the defense. It also means more runs and less passes. It also favors power running over speed, and hurts receivers running routes.
Wind (obviously) affects the accuracy of passes and kicks, and depending on wind direction, how far a pass goes. It can make snap counts harder to hear too.
(I don’t know the forcast for the game).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather Forecast
Sunday Oct 11
Snow
Hi: 49 degrees
Lo: 33 degrees
Wind NW at 3mph
Mostly cloudy
This following a Saturday of ice and snow.
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was a kid
I’d play football in sub freezing weather and as long as there was no wind, I’d thought it was perfect football weather in Colorado. From your forecast, since at 2:15 it’ll be closer to 49 than 33 and only 3mph then thats perfect football weather. Snow and Ice will be melted by 2:00.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Oct 9, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played rugby...
…in the snow. Yep – shorts. I only noticed it when I wasn’t on the field playing.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing
Last I checked, the precipitation is supposed to be done by game time.
Richard Seymour is a girl.
by pubkeeper on Oct 9, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Invesco Field Turf
The field should be in good shape. Maybe a little more “give” from the moisture on Saturday and early Sunday. The ground crew will have squeeged and ready to go.
Turf System Video of field
Throwback End Zone
Graff Turf Farms=
Surface Solutions
2006 STMA Award Surface Of The Year PDF
The field, if you have never stepped on it, is like a putting green. It has Kentucky Bluegrass combined with more than 20 million synthetic fibers sewn into the turf. So it will not “divot” or tear up. It has a complex underground warm water heating system to keep the field from freezing.
by Endzone on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent work endzone!!!!!!
you should make a post out of this I had no idea!!!!
"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam
by lovewatchinthegame on Oct 9, 2009 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say! Did anyone watch the two videos in my article?
Did anyone catch how “Neo-like” that move by Dumervil was?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 2:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Doom the Matrix
That was cool thanks for sharing!
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Oct 9, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did.
It was beautiful.
by CaliBronco20 on Oct 9, 2009 2:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Awesome evasion by Doom!
I guess that means he is The One?
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Oct 9, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
And now he knows Kung Fu. Whoa.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to say Too Close to Call
Of course, I’m just trying really hard to think objectively here. I think if the game were in New England, I’d have to give it to them. The cold weather and altitude favors our run game, though. Also, I carved a bronc-o-lantern this week (see the profile picture). That should put us over the top.
Denver wins 14-13
by SkinnyPB on Oct 9, 2009 3:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Advantage Denver for one reason,
Josh McDaniels know Brady like a book and will IMO exploit his weaknesses. The defense must get penetration before Bray has time to look for his second pick. Don’t let him stroll around doing the tarantella (Italian folk dance), but make him dance the “JIG” and take him out. That Elvis fella can just rattle some folks.
by bfree2bronc on Oct 9, 2009 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Article.
At the beginning of this week, I felt it was New England, then I started to have my homer-ism creep back in, the Buckhalter was pronounced out, and I went back to my original thought: 19-13 NE.
Of course, I’d absolutely love to see Denver win, and I can totally see them doing it. I just try really hard to get my pick ‘em correct (48 on season), so that’s where I’m coming from :)
Go Broncos!
by studbucket on Oct 9, 2009 4:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As usual ... a great Job HT!
REC’d
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 9, 2009 4:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks DM!
I appreciate it!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great job HT.....you hit on most things...much appreciated!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 9, 2009 4:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Boyd!
Much appreciated!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in
Clayton finally admitted it. Sort of. The windbag says in his latest mailbag:
I misread the Broncos. They have a chance to win the AFC West. The win over Dallas was exceptional. Their defense has been well coached by Mike Nolan. Kyle Orton has done a nice job of managing the offense and making key plays. The mailbag has been loaded from loyal Broncos fans gloating about the 4-0 start. I’m not going to rain on the parade. Without forecasting a record, I think the Broncos are in contention to win the AFC West. Congrats.
I know, no big deal. All that matters is what we think of our team. But still…
Clayton is a tool.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Oct 9, 2009 4:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Give him credit.
I appreciate him making the admission. There are some in the media (fewer each day) who are still not believing (which is ok), but a very few of them are getting nasty about it. I read one guy (whom I won’t link) that writes for one of the big three that says Denver fans will get what they have coming when their team loses the next four in a row.
I disagree with the media types a lot of the time, but the tone of that guy was unreal. I can deal with uninformed (though I can’t understand how they get paid to be so dumb), but “spiteful” is beyond me.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record...
I hate to say it but I have a hard time seeing us beating NE.
But I am going to root for it hard. It can happen. It can definitely happen. 5-0 people!
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Oct 9, 2009 4:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You can say it.
I voted too close too call. I see a lot of thing that point our way, and it surprises me. But NE is the best team we’ve faced, and they are very well coached as we are. This one could go either way easily. I predict the score will be under 24 points for each team, and the win will be by less than 2 TDs.
And I’ll be cheering for the team with you. If we beat NE, a playoff spot is not only likely, but so is a deep playoff run.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
21 - 17 Denver....we win the battle in the trenches again and win the turn over battle.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Oct 9, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT...
Again why look anywhere else for a thorough and detailed game preview???… one thing that I did happen to see elsewhere that was probably covered and I missed it is the reason that the Jets had success against Brady is they had an effective pass rush up the middle disrupting Brady by pushing him out of the pocket and out past the tackles where he is less comfortable… do you think Denver has the ability to get a good push up the middle against this O-line?
Thanks again
"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam
by lovewatchinthegame on Oct 9, 2009 5:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Got you covered.
A defense beats Tom Brady the same way that they beat Peyton Manning of the Colts; they pressure the QB. Denver is doing this better than anyone right now. This is also how the Jets managed to beat Brady.
I figured I had it in there somewhere.
As for the rush in the middle, yes, Denver can do it. Denver is more of an outside rush force, in part because Doom is so good, and in part because the wider the defensive line, the more the outside does effectively (in our case, a 5-2). However, in the situations when we’ve blitzed an ILB or a defensive back, we’ve dropped one or both OLBs back and still managed a dangerous blitz up the middle.
NE knows this, and stopping the Denver pass rush will be their highest priority.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For more on this, watch this clip.
Go to this site, and watch the video starting at the one minute mark. Kirwan talks about some amazing stats on Denver’s rushes and blitzes, and where they come from!
The whole video is good too.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 9, 2009 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
An additional factor which I haven't seen mentioned
might be important. From the Sports Illustrated article:
When McDaniels went looking for a defensive coordinator, he wanted someone who shared his philosophies and would employ an attacking 3–4 scheme. “I thought Mike and I would be a good fit,” McDaniels says of Nolan, “because I would try to use my offensive background during during the week to say, Hey, here are some of the keys to disrupting Carson Palmer; here’s what I think Brady Quinn really likes and doesn’t like; here’s how I think Tony Romo gets going best. I felt we could have a good working relationship, where I could give him some insight on the other side of the ball, tell him what I think, then let him go do it. . . .”
Trotter then gives some examples of the kinds of situations the Broncos were preparing for during the week. This is the situational football we’ve been hearing so much about:
The coaches had preached during the week that whenever Romo comes off his primary read, he usually checks down to the running back. So the Broncos decided to take away the back by dedicating a linebacker to cover him. Midway through the third quarter, Dallas had a first-and-ten on its own 31. Romo dropped back, looking for his first option, then checked to running back Rashard Choice, who wasn’t open. That gave Dumervil the time to swoop in for the sack.
But it was at the end of the game that the McDaniels-Nolan synergy showed up most dramatically. I had previously read online that on the last play Nolan had devised a way to influence Romo to throw at Champ’s man, but that piece mentioned only that the blitz forced Romo’s hand. The Sports Illustrated article gives a deeper insight into what happened:
Nolan had emphasized during the week that if there were more defenders than blockers on the side of the formation that featured multiple receivers, Romo would look to the other side of the field, where he had a single receiver. That’s exactly how it played out on each of the final two snaps: Denver overloaded to the left side of the Cowboys’ formation, where Dallas had multiple receivers, and Romo predictably threw to the right (single wide out) side—even though fourth receiver Sam Hurd was matched against an All-Pro in Bailey.
“Champ didn’t even need to go to the huddle to get the call,” McDaniels says. “He knew what it was based on the situation and the formation. We had gone over it all week.”
That’s situational football. McDaniels may have learned it from Belichick, but in this aspect of it the student has the advantage. McDaniels’ knowledge of quarterbacks and their tendencies is uncanny. And Nolan is brilliant at designing defensive strategies to take advantage of that knowledge. The Broncos’ vaunted teamwork is not just between the players on the field. It’s also between the coaches on the sideline. And the point of this comment: Who knows Brady better than McDaniels?
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Oct 10, 2009 1:21 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd spock..
On NFL network Dukes and Woodson are giving Nolan pretty much all the credit for our winning record this season.. Josh is a big part of Nolans succes, the players drafted, the free agents signed, the style of D, all these things Josh had a hand in the decisions if not two hands.. how they cannot see that is beyond me..
by HorseStance on Oct 10, 2009 6:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because they've got their heads up their donkeys
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Oct 10, 2009 6:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good find Spock!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Oct 10, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post Spock...rec'd.
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Oct 10, 2009 6:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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