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The Importance of Pocket Presence

If we've learned anything the last two games it should be this:

To be a successful NFL quarterback you have to to have innate pocket presence or be decently mobile. Ideally both.

Now, I can't back this article up with many stats, but it is clearly obvious to anyone who has ever watched a football game the vital importance of the above statement.

Of course like everything in life there are the have's and the have not's.  Unfortunately for the Broncos we clearly have a have not.

The Have's

Dan Marino played the game with lead boots on but had the innate pocket presence to move and slide in the pocked to narrowly avoid the rush, buying himself enough time to unleash on of his patented laser beams down the field.

John Elway's mobility has never been in question. He could duck, slide, and run with sensational results. He was an escape artist. He once said something along the lines of  "When I hear the crowd noise start to grow when I drop back to pass, I know pressure is coming and I have to get out of there."

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning won't ever be confused with Michael Vick but there ability to feel the pressure and slide out of the way is legendary, something we have been victimized by many, many times.

Ben Roethlisberger might hold onto the ball a bit to long but that 's the result of his history of escaping the pressure with his feet and then making huge plays down the field.

The Have Not's

Trent Dilfer - the fact that he won a Super Bowl astounds me. I can't stand him on ESPN. I know i'm no alone on this.

JaMarcus Russel - With J Marc it's not a lack of athleticism, it's the complete and total absence of pocket presence which dooms him to sacks and fotunately for the Broncos, a completely anemic offense.

Which brings me to Kyle Orton. Unfortunately for the Broncos faithful Kyle Orton may be the worst athlete playing the quarterback position in the NFL. I think it was the Cinncinnati or San Diego game in which, Pressure came from the right side while Orton dropped back 5 or 7 steps. Ryan Harris did exactly what he should have done and rode the DE past the drop back point. Orton saw the pressure coming and was immediately flustered. Instead of calmly stepping up one step in the pocket, he panicked, barely had the DE's hand brush his leg, tried to put a move on the 3 yards of open space around him, tripped himself, and fell flat on his face for a sack. It was without a doubt in my mind the worst sack i've ever seen a Quarterback take. If you watched the first few games this year, you know exactly the play in talkig about. In another game, the announcer famously said, "some quarterbacks have the ability to move around in the pocket, Kyle Orton does not." He also seems very timid with pressure in his face.

To be successful as a Quarterback in the NFL you have to be able to at least move around a little in the pocket. I for one , am getting a little tired of watching Orton embarass the position.

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Will Kyle Orton's Pocket Presence Improve with experience?

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I couldn't agree more

Pressure Orton and he is toast. Nothing exemplified the glaring difference between the two QBs more than contrasting Orton’s entire performance last night to Big Ben’s second TD pass, the scramble away from pressure and relatively (to anything Orton could ever do) long TD strike to Wallace at the goal line. That is a play Big Ben can make. And Orton can’t. Teams now know that if you stuff the box, stuff the run, pressure Orton, and prevent YACs, the Broncos can’t do anything else. They don’t have a QB capable of making plays outside of a certain framework. They’ll still beat some teams, certainly I think they should beat Washington, but two good teams in a row have manhandled them. Bronco offense last night: 3 points. Plus they gave the Steelers 7 and set up another 7. Terrible game by the offense. Terrible game by Orton. My Bear fan friend was right. Get used to teams stuffing the box and daring Orton to beat them long. Because he can’t.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 10, 2009 11:07 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

According to your poll

I am assuming that escaping the pressure would be measured by avoiding taking the sack.

If Orton is the worst athlete playing the quarterback position — i.e. he “can’t escape from a wet paper bag,” how do you account for the fact that there are 20 quarterbacks in the NFL who have taken more sacks this year than Orton, including one of the qb’s you mentioned as being able to escape using his feet — Roethlisberger, who btw has taken nearly twice as many sacks as the lousy footed Orton.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Nov 10, 2009 11:07 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Does Ryan Clady suddenly suck, or do we have a qb who chokes under pressure?

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But the rest of the O-Line, minus Harris of course, was not believed to be a weakness until the past few weeks? Did losing Harris make that big of a difference? Or have teams just figured out (albeit damn good teams capable of doing what they’ve done) to start stacking the box and putting on more pressure, both against the run and the pass? Seems to me that the line still has talent.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 10, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

KO has more mobility

than I initially expected. Not to say he doesn’t fluster at times. I think he can be taught to step up if # 50 is not letting the pocket cave in.

PS- I hate it when a poll is set up so the responses represent different versions of the same view.

by idahobronc on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

add it to Hillisranuover's weekly i'm tired rant. lol

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

c, neither of the above

Yawn. Suddenly, Orton, who has a long and earned reputation as calm and together, ‘chokes’? That’s ridiculous by any standard.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 10, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle is "perambulatory" at the moment in this "new" system.

Baby steps are coming along slowly as anticipated and no need to worry ourselves into a tizzy. Ssssssssh, the long ball is a secret upcoming weapon, but don’t tell nobody…sssh.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 10, 2009 11:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

wow bfree..........words.........lol

perambulatory??? I had to whip out a dictionary on that one man.

v. per·am·bu·lat·ed, per·am·bu·lat·ing, per·am·bu·lates
v.tr.
1. To walk through.
2. To inspect (an area) on foot.
v.intr.
To walk about; roam or stroll.

After I looked it up, I agree with your comment. lol. Things are still new to him. He’s still a neophyte in this offense and will progress………..progressively, as time goes on. The more snaps he gets, the better he will be. Lots of comments talked about how it takes 2 years to really learn this offense. Well, he has been around for a few months, now. He’s got some time to learn this.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Orton actually did have pocket presence early in the game. There were a couple of throws that he got hit right after he released and made really accurate throws. It wasn’t until later in the game that his accuracy really dropped, the first pick he thought he was putting it where only Moreno could get to it, granted it wasn’t a good throw but there was no way he could see the safety coming from the other side of the field.

by Ambivale on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

it appeared on that play

that Moreno bumped the ref and stopped, while the defender was sliding in behind the ref (thus being screened by both Moreno and the official) while Orton threw to where he thought Moreno was going to be.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Right - it was a timing pattern

One of two that Moreno was unable to reach. Sine the QB throws it to where the receiver will be, not where they are, the claims that they weren’t accurate passes are specious. It’s Moreno’s responsibility to get there, whether he’s nicked by the NT (on the INT) or by the ref, as in this one. Neither is on Orton. He had some mistakes yesterday but these are not among them.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 10, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs


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