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Aussie Meanderings: A SWOT analysis at the half way point.

Hey MHR Crew!

 

Well what a difference 2 weeks can make. Judging by some of the so called "fans" post, we will be selecting with the 1st overall pick in next years draft!

 

Look, I was yelling at the TV as much as everyone last night, but the day after got me thinking that perhaps we ALL need to look at the first part of a season as a whole to help give a more balanced view of where our team REALLY is.

 

With that is mind, I have decided to use an old strategic planning tool to get into the Broncos season so far. Read on after the jump....

 

 

A) THE SWOT ANALYSIS:

 

SWOT analysis is a simple method of formulating a business strategy for the continuing success of your business. S for STRENGTHS, W for WEAKNESSES, O for OPPORTUNITIES and T for THREATS. Lets check it out when it relates to our Broncos.

 

1. STRENGTHS:

  • The defense has been the surprise of the NFL. I still rate them as a Top 3 defense, even after the last 2 games. Our D kept it close for 3 of 4 quarters in both games. This was supposed to be the weakness of the team!
  • The coaching staff put together by Josh McDaniels is a second to none staff. McDaniels himself is the leading candidate for coach of the year. For how universally panned McD he has proven that his way works. But is he too tied to his principles? We will look at that later.
  • The performance of Kyle Orton has been a pleasant surprise. I know there a lot of haters, and I have been accused of being a drinker of Kool Aid, but I love KO's moxie, his leadership, his toughness, and in my opinion, his arm is a lot better than advertised. But is he being set up for success? We will look at this later as well.
  • Team concept, chemistry and philosophy is a breath of fresh air. McD, Xanders and the staff have put together a group of team first, tough individuals. I love it! For the first time in years at Dove Valley, players are held accountable and the veteran inmates are not running the asylum.

2/ WEAKNESSES:
  • I cant believe I am saying this, but our O line has become a real weakness, not just in the last 2 games, but it has struggled some all season. They provide great protection one drive, and then get crushed the next. Consistency has been the issue, and we have NO push on the inside. Has a change in scheme and philosophy had something to do with this? Stay tuned!
  • The much vaunted Denver running game has left the building with Mike Shanahan! I was VERY concerned when I heard that McD was a fan of the POWER running game, and would be bringing that in to Denver. Thats great, but what about our ZONE BLOCKING run game, and the guys that we have on the line that are fits for that system. WIll they fit the power game? We know the answer and will investigate later!
  • Our running backs have been underwhelming. Buck has been our best performer, but has seen the majority of carries go to the much hyped Knowshon Moreno. I was SO stoked to get him, but have been UNDERWHELMED by his play all year. He does not hits holes with purpose, dances in the backfield, struggles to fall forward and has been average in pass protection and chipping duties. He has fumbled, given away penalties for chop blocks and has a very bad YPC average. BUT...is it all his fault? He has talent, but where has that talent gone? We will check into that later.
  • Special Teams is an oxymoron......our guys are lucky to be called BELOW AVERAGE TEAMS. We have seen some mild improvements in coverage, but our kick return and punt return games have been bad. Take away 2 HUGE returns against the Chargers and we have been pedestrian. Our returners dance in the back field and struggle to hit holes. Kern was replaced by Mitch Berger....someone needs to explain that to me! I know those more knowledgable than me will point to net average and giving our guys chances to cover, but Berger could not kick a skin off a yogurt. Hes horrid. There has to better. Our starting positions on drives is diabolical and putting undue pressure on an offense that is already living on the edge.
  • Our O can drive, but we just cant score. It feels as if we are walking a fine line EVERY game. We cant seem to get a big lead, and are always relying on LONG drives in both number of plays and yards. Not a great recipe for success.

3. OPPORTUNITIES:
  • We have a high powered, ultra talented offense. Look at these names, and please tell me EVERY other team in the NFL would not be happy: Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Jabbar Gaffney, Daniel Graham, Tony Sheffler, Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, Peyton Hillis. We have weapons to burn BUT...how will we get them in a position to succeed.
  • We are 6-2....most teams would be STOKED on that. We play Redskins this week which we should win, and then play the Chargers at home. We control our destiny. We beat the Chargers, we move to 8-2 and the AFC is as good as ours. WE HAVE EVERYTHING TO PLAY FOR!
  • Our O LINE IS TALENTED. You just don't lose all that talent in one season. Do we need to get back to their bread and butter?

4. THREATS:
  • Our defense has played long and tough the last 2 games against the 2 most physical teams in the NFL. Injuries could be a concern if we cant keep them off the field.
  • As we have found out, Josh McDaniels has strong beliefs in the philosophies he has gained from his dad and Bill Belechick. He will stay true to his course regardless of popular opinion. This can obviously be seen as confidence, but the last 2 games it has come across as stubbornness, particularly with his belief in the power run game and how ineffective it has been against 2 play off caliber teams. Is McD's stubbornness and his utter belief in his philosophies holding this team back?
  • Will our team bounce back from 2 tough losses and be able to keep their eyes on the prize?

OK, thats a lot to take in. We have all this information as it relates to where our team stands at the half way point, but how do we use it, and then formulate a basic strategy moving forward.
In a nutshell, we need to fix the weaknesses, maintain the strengths, take advantage of the opportunites and nullify the threats. Sounds easy doesn't it. Lets move on!


B) THE COMMON SENSE APPROACH:
Okay, I am no academic, and sure as hell will never be a rocket surgeon (see MYSTERY, ALASKA) but I feel I am a pretty logical dude, and a strategy to improve our team seems pretty clear to me. The one thing that I want EVERYONE to grasp is this:
WE ARE 6-2 AND HAVE A GOOD TEAM. WE ARE A YEAR AHEAD OF WHERE I THOUGHT WE WOULD BE!....so we should all be pretty stoked on that.
That being said, we want the progression to continue. Here's how I see it:
  • We need to let our O line go back to doing what it does best: being a zone blocking team. We dont have the guys needed on the interior of our line to be able to move around the Casey Hamptons of this world, but they have been very effective in the last years, including Ben Hamilton of shepparding the opposition into zones that allow our RB's to one-cut and go. Consider this: The lightest guy on the Panthers line (who are a power running team) is over 300 lbs....Casey Weigman comes in at 280 and Benny under 300....they dont have the size or horse power to be effective inside. This also stays true to McD's mantra of putting players in situations for them to succeed. This then leads too......
  • Our running game taking a step forward. This late breaking news: Knowshon and Buck are NOT POWER BACKS. They are ellusive one cut guys that are best used in a....yep, you guessed it....ZONE BLOCKING SCHEME. All of a sudden, we are now also setting up KM and CB for success. This will help our O keep moving on the ground, help set up the screen and give our RB's lanes on the oustide and of tackle where both these guys will be successful. Trust me on this. KNOWSHON THEN STARTS BEING THE PLAYER THAT WE DRAFTED instead of a between the tackles pounder (As an aside, Knowshon is being used how the Redskins used, and abused, Portis, which has shortened his career and limited his explosiveness). This will then lead to......
  • Our offense not being one dimensional. I have heard all the poo pooing that Orton cant throw down the field. Well, here's a news flash, there is a thing called TIME that is needed for down the field routes to set up. If oppositions are bringing the house, because you don't have a running game, then NO QB in the league will be able to throw vertically. Its not a theory, its based purely on physics and time. What are defenses going to do when you have no running game? They will stack the box, bring blitz and pressure and give the QB no options. An effective running game, or even the ILLUSION of an effective running game, lessens the aggression of the defense and gives the offense more options. This then leads to.....
  • Kyle Orton being able to better use his weapons as he has more time and it will allow routes to develop better. He will not be under pressure all the time, and will be able to throw more than from 1 or 3 step drops....that would be awesome!
NOW, consider this: We now have a team that can move the ball more efficiently. We start picking up more than 1 yard per down on running plays and takes a reliance off the short pass, dink and dunk game, and ACTUALLY helps McDaniel's scheme.

The beauty of all this is that it puts our players in the position to SUCCEED....and make plays.

It also takes pressure off special teams as it should, in theory, lead to less 3 and outs, and extend drives in a more LOW RISK MANNER, which is right up McD's alley.

The only proviso in this is the THREAT that McD is too stubborn in his ways, and keeps his love affair going with the POWER run game. I DONT THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN. I think Josh sees that the success of this WHOLE offense is predicated on a successful run game, and he needs to get back to the steak and potatoes of this team.

McDaniels is a SUPER smart man, and he will see the light!

IN CONCLUSION:
Fixing this thing is not hard. We have so many HIGH CALIBER pieces in place to be a threat in the play offs. Our D is as good as anyones, and I would not swap them for anyone.

We have the talent to be an explosive offense. and I have every faith in the world that KO will be a GREAT trigger man, but it all starts with the run game. We need it to make this team hum, and to put our guys in position to flourish and make plays. That starts by becoming more creative in the run game, and letting our O line going back to what worked last year, and I have faith we will see a much improved offense moving forward.

McDaniel's has to be smarter than us, right? HE WILL GET IT DONE!

Please hit me back with your thoughts!

Peace,

Boydy.










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1st overall pick...

Wouldn’t mind the opportunity since it’s Chicago’s pick we have. I think you mean Seattle would be picking first.

by Timimus on Nov 10, 2009 8:09 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

love the analysis

have you emailed it to McD?

I totally agree with you

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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by BShrout on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

oh & rec'd btw

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Nov 10, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I am getting your feelings on the O-line but...

It kind of comes back to which came first the chicken or the egg? Is it

A: the O-line that is porous that gives the QB less time which then takes away his passing game which then makes the defense stack 8 in the box and stuff the run…

Or is it
B: a defense that dares a QB to stretch the field with some long throws to keep the safeties honest and keep 5-6 in the box which opens up the run?

You could see both the Ravens and the Steelers clearly have not seen a deep threat so they came in and dared Orton to throw the Bomb and well he didn’t he could have tried a bootleg to buy some time or McD could have created a three tight end set to increase blocking and throw one up to the “beast” but it never materialized so I think Orton who is a brainy gifted QB was either not given a chance to air it out or McD just doesn’t feel he can… OR maybe McD planned all of this out!!! I’m serious!!! Winning the division and getting the playoffs is more important then a few mid season wins especially when you are 6-2 and in complete control of your destiny. Maybe he is holding in the dogs for a future day… wouldn’t surprise me a bit!!! Still would like to see what Chris S. has in the tank!!!

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by lovewatchinthegame on Nov 10, 2009 8:19 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Question borne of ignorance of the finer points of an offensive play

1)It seems to be that long passes are a matter of good timing between a quarterback and his receiver. The QB is throwing to a spot, expecting the receiver to be there when the ball comes down.

2)If a QB and a WR are having problems with timing in short to intermediate ranges, ala balls being dropped because they’re getting there before the receiver is expecting them, or the receiver not being in the spot the QB is expecting him to be, is it not likely that the timing issue would be exaggerated the farther down the field you go?

3)If that timing issue is, in fact, exaggerated the farther you throw, does not the risk of an interception increase proportionally?

4)If 1-3 are valid, then is it that much of a reach for us to see McDaniels — a strong advocate of not turning the ball over — be hesitant to push the ball down the field.

Again, this is not an attempt to dispute anyone’s viewpoint, simply a question by a fan who really does not know the anwer.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

this is something i have stewed on for a while now...

Orton is a very safe QB. that is one of his great strengths, and one reason why he has potential to be a very good qb in this system. of course mcd has deep threat plays, and we have seen 2 or 3 throughout the season.

 i think you make a great point BS, that the timing is exaggerated in longer situations. also in play is that the learning of this system is still a work in progress.

it is frustrating for us as fans who think we see so much potential, to see vanilla safe plays. but those vanilla safe plays have to be second nature, split second plays before anything bigger is really clicking.

so orton, this safe qb, who takes very good care of the ball, is not going to just chuck it up there when the timing is nowhere near developed. still only midway through the season.

it is often said that mcd hasn’t “opened up” his whole playbook. i highly highly doubt that, and more firmly believe that those plays that would go downfield are called much more often than we see. remember, this offense is predicated on taking what is given. if given no time and deep safeties, where is the ball going? short.

"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.

by denver_diaspora on Nov 11, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

A quote about long passes from Kyle Orton

“Everybody wants to say, throw the ball 50 yards down the field. That’s all great and you can say it, but there’s a lot of things that go into it,” Orton said.

“There’s coverage, you’ve got to have time, got to have the run to set up the coverage you want to throw it against. We had a couple called, we didn’t get the looks that we wanted so we didn’t throw them.”

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by dmitchell624 on Nov 11, 2009 6:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My only issue with this response comes from a QB standpoint

Deep balls – fly patterns in particular – are not timing routes in any form save for the QBs ability to know the speed of his receivers and have the ability to put the appropriate power behind the ball based on when he releases it. A fly pattern only becomes a timing issue when the fly route is the primary receiver and the ball is going to that receiver regardless (the old Kenny Stabler-Cliff Branch mentality). The true limiting factor is deep arm strength. If a QB only has a 50 yard range with a one-step approach (not the load-it-up-and-heave-it hail mary version), his internal clock has to be set quicker than a QB with a 65 yard range who can often have the deep route be the 2nd or 3rd option.

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by improv88 on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Per BShrout

Question borne of ignorance of the finer points of an offensive play.

improv, you are ignorant. You believe you are not. That is a major problem.

by Endzone on Nov 11, 2009 8:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I simply played the position, which I can guarantee beyond a doubt you did not.

You act as though you know the finer points of the game, but your inability to comment intelligently on any aspect of play betrays the fact that you have never stepped on a football field at any level.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.

by improv88 on Nov 11, 2009 9:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

great as always! rec'd

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by waltersobchakbronco on Nov 10, 2009 8:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

While I don't disagree with going to a zone blocking scheme

It is too hard to change the scheme mid stream, and I don’t see McDaniels altering the offense that drastically. I would suggest maybe some more pitches and draw plays to try to get the defense on their heals, I also think having Buckhalter in space is where he is at his best.

P.S. I thought you had built a shrine to Kyle Orton and neck beards ;)

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by Broncoman on Nov 10, 2009 8:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks BM...

But this is the same O line as last year. There is nothing new to learn. I supprot pitches, tosses, running off tackle….anywhere to use the god given talents of Buck and Moreno….instead of getting them pounded between tackles. Makes no sense to me.
On Orton, as I have said before, he is a good QB, but many have been wowed by the arm of Cutler, and the teary eyed memories of Elway.
Orton is a TOTALLY different QB. I look for the intangibles and brains, others look at only what comes out of the hand. I just see things different, and none is right or wrong.

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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my point was that not knowing what the play book is

How quick you could actually make that shift to a zone blocking scheme, plays are designed to be blocked a certain way, if we don’t have those plays in the playbook, I am not sure how quick the offense could learn (or relearn it), granted the offensive line may be able to pick it up quickly, but the RBs have to understand the ideas behind it, where to look for the hole and where to look for the cutback lane, and timing of the play. And if they haven’t practiced those plays through OTA, training camp, and the season, may be a little hard to get the timing down, it really is like a dance where everyone has to be in sync from the snap for it to work well.

It’s not to rag, just that I think it mayy be easier said than done, but good post, rec’d.

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by Broncoman on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But

McD said we’d be using both, so ZB plays should be part of the playbook. We just need to use it more often.

He felt like the man that drew the first circle. Simple, and perfect.

From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan

by bradley on Nov 11, 2009 8:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Best analysis to date

Very well done, and kudos to you, mate. I’m not sure what the Aussie version of ‘Great job!’ is, but you earned it. Me? Give that man a salmon!

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doc....just seems so logical to me....guess we will see!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you mean "fair dinkum"

is that right, Boydy? Good on yer, mate!

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

This post was a ray of sunshine piercing through the gathering dark storm clouds.

I really appreciated the SWOT analysis. Your perspective is clear & concise. Rec’d for balance & objectivity. G’day Mate!

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by turnerstoe on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Turnerstoe...very appreciated.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 8:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Going along with your sunshine metaphore................It seems to me that Australian sunshine is much brighter than the most of the US sunshine and helps you see things much more clearly.

Great post Boydy. Rec’d.

I feel like I’ve been really liberal with giving out rec’ds today. Then I realized that MHR is just full of posts worthy of rec’ds. It is a great problem to have. We might need more than five recommended fanposts. If you aren’t on here like every 10 hours or so, you are going to miss a great post.

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by kentuckybronco on Nov 10, 2009 9:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Much appreciated KB!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 9:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Critical without sounding negative

You’re better at this than I am. Good job mate, and rec’d!

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on Nov 10, 2009 9:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks HP!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 9:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

When you mention:

McDaniels is a SUPER smart man, and he will see the light!

I am crossing my fingers and toes that you’re right on that. He’s coming off as naive/stubborn to me at this point. Hopefully, he’ll let the team begin playing to their strengths again.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on Nov 10, 2009 9:46 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope as well HP...because he is coming off as stubborn to me too at present...like Ben and Casey are going to transform into 320lb O linemen,

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

McD should have “ssen the light” after the Baltimore game. 27 yards against the Steelers? The Broncos? Sheesh.

He felt like the man that drew the first circle. Simple, and perfect.

From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan

by bradley on Nov 11, 2009 8:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd because this is exactly how I feel right now

Josh wants power runs, and he’ll keep doing it all season, I fear. I’d like to think that he’ll wake up someday (SOON!!) and say, Hey, Rick Dennison is still here, he knows the scheme and our players know how the scheme, why don’t we get back to some zone blocking. Next year he can bring in his 350+ lb lineman be a power running team in 2010, but this year, he has to go with what works. It’s frustrating!

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by solace on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great job boydy using a very useful tool in a creative way.Rec'd

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by Ponderosa on Nov 10, 2009 9:51 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks so much Rosa!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 10, 2009 9:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We aren't zone blocking

on pass protection.

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

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by Drizzt396 on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

If you can command respect for the run, the defense will be more hesitant to rush the passer. The run vs. pass are interrelated that way.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

Zone Blocking is a run scheme. The Oline has not given up many sacks, but only because Orton is throwing the ball. Unfortunately Orton is being pressured and not getting enough time in the pocket to be even more effective. So yes, very good point. If we are talking about ZB we are talking about the run game and not the passing game. However, if we establish our run game then the passing game will open up. In this case it is not a “which comes first, the chicken or the egg” argument, it is clearly the run game issues that must be addressed first.

by Endzone on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point, EZ

Many folks have talked about the ZB issues and the pass blocking in the same sentence. They don’t have much to do with each other, except for the fact that we’re doing poorly on both. Nice call.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Petition

I would like to petition the MHR staff (esp HT) to write an MHR University article on the difference between ZB and power blocking. It would sure help my understanding!

by Endzone on Nov 11, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

MHR University

HT, aka Steve Nichols, has already written an outstanding article on the ZB system HERE

by Endzone on Nov 11, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Another MHR University

Yet another great article by HT is “Smash Mouth Football” HERE

by Endzone on Nov 11, 2009 11:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

don't you love that?

Darned near anything I want to know, he’s already covered. Brilliant stuff.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Boydy. Rec'd!

I agree totally. ZB is what this OL is built for. I am guessing that when they begin doing that again, the criticism for Hamilton will decrease. I would be surprised to see McD not look carefully at this. He may not like ZB, but he does know that this approach was successful in the past for these guys – and I think that someone if not himself will bring it to his attention. Just very pragmatic – what works. The non-productive OL is stymieing the offense to this point. Unleash that and you unleash the offense.

Thanks, Boydy. Great post!

by Blackknigh on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

A great way to state the obvious

and a very nice way to explain it. I have felt the same about many of these facts that you have stated and agree wholeheartedly. Highly recommended reading.

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

One more thing to add

why aren’t we running behind Ryan Clady? I mean isn’t he a Strength of this team?

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 10, 2009 11:23 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Clady

Clady is awesome in pass defense but he struggles with the run game. We noticed that in preseason (and last year).

by Endzone on Nov 11, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

nice little analysis

My worry is McD. As you know, I’m here watching the HC and what he does. There is one little worry about new (and often young) and initially successful coaches/managers in that the immediate domination (as in what happened here) sometimes leads to lack of humility. Being smart doesn’t always lead to good decisions. There are many “smart, entitled” people who never truly evaluate themselves, and therefore never attain the true heights they could. However, the success here hasn’t been that huge yet for this to be a big problem.

On another point, maybe the bye-week and the few days off let the players read about themselves, and they forgot what got them to where they were. I never thought this team would go undefeated this season, (though i did pick it for sometime in the next few years) and losses had to come somewhere. Better from an out of division opponent and a perennial playoff team than a team like Oakland or the Redskins.

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a winner is the man who keeps getting up, no matter what

by HurdanMori on Nov 10, 2009 11:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Boydy, first, great post, bro! Rec'd.

I can explain why the Berger signing happened, and I did just that…what I can’t do is give you 100% assurance that it will work because the premise with which McD brought him in has thus far not been predictive in nature. So far, 2 games into Berger, it’s not working out. It’s 2 games. We will see how this goes, man. Please remember, gross average and even net average don’t correlate to winning as much as the lack of opportunities that the other team doesn’t get. This is why McD brought him in. Is it working so far, um, not so much. If he brings in another punter tomorrow, it won’t tear me up. I am simply telling you his rationale for why he did it, mate:-)

"Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

by TJ Johnson on Nov 11, 2009 1:07 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

ayy, that's lack of opportunities the other team gets....forgive my double negative...I'll blame the fact

that I was just writing to someone else in Spanish for that!!!

"Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

by TJ Johnson on Nov 11, 2009 1:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the head coach draft a RB in the first round that didn’t fit a PB scheme if he knew he was going to implement the PB and get rid of the ZB? What scheme did UGA run?

I guess my point is that he brought in players knowing that we would be a PB team — Jordan, Buckhalter, and Moreno. If they were suited for it, why would he get them?

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by Todd Jewell on Nov 11, 2009 7:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good points Todd

btw, I posted of Facebook that your daughter is going to break a lot of hearts – what a pretty lady!

Folks are getting a little beyond themselves on the blocking. NE used ZB schemes effectively. They just mix in much more gap/regular and PB approaches. We don’t know the exact proportions that McD wants, but it’s obvious that there will be more of the gap and power schemes – yet ZB will still be a big part.

By the way – Seth Olsen may or may not be ready this year, but he’s a good indication of where we’re going. He’s a 306-308 phone booth blocker who is extremely strong and has excellent technique. He’s not perfect ZB material, but he can handle it. Very few O-linemen come out and immediately contribute, but he’ll be a big part of our future. Paired with Kuper, he could be very good.

We also found out that T. Polumbus isn’t ready to step in right away. Despite fan expectations, that isn’t uncommon. Communication and timing usually require time to establish and he hasn’t had that with the first team. Harris will be back, and Tyler will be better for the experience.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 11, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks — she is precious =)

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by Todd Jewell on Nov 12, 2009 7:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Some perspective on the long ball...

Picture this… when’s the last time you saw Kyle Orton settle back after a 7-step drop, and have three seconds to survey the field and pick a receiver? In the last two games, given six 7-step dropbacks, KO would have gotten killed 90% of the time. This is no basis on which to sustain an offense or make a big play.

I am trying to keep the last two losses in perspective. We just played the two teams that were in last season’s AFC Championship game, both with the conference’s best defenses, and both after the two clubs had a bye week to prepare for us. The Ravens game was on their home turf.

It doesn’t get much tougher than that.

We will see how resilient and tough this club is, and whether JMcD has it in him to make the changes and tough decisions (Hamilton) necessary to right the listing ship.

If we see changes, they should start with the Redskins game as a tuneup to the Bolts game two weeks from now.

by nativesun on Nov 11, 2009 7:51 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I completely agree on the zone blocking and rec.

I have not gone back and watched the game again and I may be mistaken, but didn’t the Broncos run a couple of zone blocking off tackle plays at the start of the second half? It seems to me that they did and that they were pretty much successful. Did anyone else see this?

The other question I would have for McD (and I know many others here at MHR feel the same) is why not use Payton Hillis in the power game?

I truly hope we see some changes in the running game coming up, but I love what they done with the defense this year and hope that the stick with it and improve on it into the future. (In other words, no more switching defensive coorinators every year!)

by Quietone on Nov 11, 2009 8:51 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Peyton was out with a family matter

When he returns, I think that’s a fair question.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great job Mate, rec'd

I can’t find anything to dispute at first glance. The only thing I’d point out in addition to the running game opening up the vertical game is. The dink and dunk method Josh seems to like so much would also benefit from a solid running game. The running game causes the D to stack 8 in the box to contain it, as that happens a 5 to 10 yard pass then has the opportunity to gain long yards after the catch.

by bchiper on Nov 11, 2009 8:54 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Transition, Continuity, and the Running Game

IMO, these are the things that we know at this point:

  • We know that McD is a proponent of the power run game, and that we will be a power run team eventually.
  • We have in Rick Dennison an expert in zone blocking with direct roots to Alex Gibbs.
  • We know that we have an OL and RBs that are tailored to, and experienced with, the zone blocking scheme.

So we know our endpoints: Start with zone running, end with power running. What’s left are the questions of how and when to make that transition.

Perhaps McD has tried to make that transition too soon. Perhaps what we could do instead is make a gradual transition from one system to the other. As personnel start to come on-line that better suit the power game, then we start to shift in that direction. In the meantime, we utilize the players and coaching in place to play to their strengths.

I have supreme confidence that Moreno, Buck and Hillis are smart enough players to make a gradual change to the new system. But letting them continue to get some snaps in the ZBS will only help their confidence along the way. By forcing them to change immediately, you do just the opposite. No production, no rhythm, and diminished confidence.

As for the OL, I think we’ll be replacing the interior over the next year or two anyway. With Wegs getting older, perhaps a good near-term move would be to move Hamilton to center (getting bigger at that position in the process) and get Olsen involved at LG. I think Kuper is fine at RG for the time being. However, he’s still on the small side for a true power run RG. Ultimately, We need bigger and younger bodies at the interior spots, but that is going to take some time.

So as much as I love the old ZBS, I think that we all need to get used to the idea that it will eventually be gone. My point is only that the change need not be instantaneous.

BTW, great post, boydy! Apologies for the ramblings!

- Jason

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by jubei on Nov 11, 2009 9:11 AM MST reply actions   2 recs

Ramblings heck

Great comments – rec’d!

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 11, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, Doc and EZ!

High praise indeed coming from you guys!

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 11, 2009 9:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Boydy great post!

And awesome comments to follow it by the MHR community

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by dmitchell624 on Nov 11, 2009 11:46 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great as usual Boydy and highly rec'd.

I believe that McDaniels is holding something back for the big games down the line. First off, we need to win Sunday. That will give us some leveredge to play with at 7-2. Then we play a very important game against the chargers at home. This game can very well be the season for us and if we win it it will make it awfully hard for the chargers to make the playoffs let alone win the division. McDaniels knows if we make the playoffs we will have to play one or 2 teams that we have already faced ie, Cincy, Ravens, Steelers, Pats and Indy. So why not hold something back for them in those crucial games that we could win. Believe me, this head coach is no dumby, we got another glimpse of Hillis and he may play a major role in the end. You all heard it first here… 13 -3 baby!!! Until we ain’t!

by bfree2bronc on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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