Orton is our Starter

Orton is performing at an All-Pro level statistically.

His qb rating is currently 8th in the AFC. Since when do Pro Bowl teams carry 8 qbs in each conference? ;)

and therefore I never watch it. Especially when the Super Bowl was a good game, the Pro Bowl tends to tarnish the memory. It’s better to wait for quality football in September than to watch a glorified exhibition rife with the most popular players, not necessarily the best ones.

You’re not serious, right? I don’t expect him to be All-Pro, just mostly competent – and for the most part he’s been that, particularly under the circumstances. That said, he’s got an awful long way to go and needs some serious help from his O-line backs and receivers. I think we’ll learn a lot this Sunday and hopefully it’s the pleasant kind of learning.
Go Broncs!

Read broncobear (Emmett Smith)‘s article HERE Would ANY QB do well when we get 27 TOTAL yards rushing in a game? When your receiver is bumped by the NT and your Oline has not protected the pocket? This last game sank his overall record I admit. Do any of you remember where he was ranked last week? (didn’t think so) What about the refs blowing a call on us when it should have been on the Steelers? Even so, he is still in the top half of the NFL. With no running game, weak Oline, etc., I think he is doing extremely well.

he had a running game to go with his great passing game. We sometimes overlook the fact he lost three SB’s without a great running game.

You must be referring to Orton’s performance in the second half against Pittsburgh. We had six possessions in the second half and none of them went more than 4 plays. NONE. It was no wonder the defense was so ground down by the end of that game.

Orton has had two terrible games back to back. Either Orton or McDaniels is to blame. Either Orton can’t execute the plays that we need to be able to beat good defenses or McDaniels didn’t come up with the right scheme. Given McDaniels track record, I’m looking Orton’s way.

This isn’t about Elway, Cutler, Plummer, or any other QB. It comes down to what you want out of this season. Sticking with a QB who doesn’t give you a chance to win the SB makes no sense. When we benched Plummer it was because he had shown that he didn’t have what it takes to win the SB. His actions since that time have confirmed that the decision to bench him was right. Cutler turned out to be a talented crybaby with a tendency to throw interceptions in the redzone. So we cut him loose. Now we have another QB who is just not good enough. If we had no other option I’d say stick with him and ride it out. I’m not saying we should play Brandstater (yet). But Simms took a less talented team than this to the playoffs. At least with Simms there is a chance that we are a SB winner.

We are not Cleveland. Our defense is playing great, our receivers are talented, and our QB is costing us games. After watching the Baltimore and Pittsburgh games, anyone who thinks Orton can with a SB with this team is in denial.

That was meant for even great QBs struggle with a collapsing pocket.

kills the rest of your season. It should only be done when the season is already dead.

usually will give us a chance on defense to stop them and get the ball ball. INTs usually give the team good field postiion

but even next year is a little early I think

improv the troll stops by to pee on the carpet.

At this point where do you go? Do you turn to Chris or Tommy B. ? With Chris he has tools but what if he fades? Then what? He could be awesome or he could be horrible!!! Or start a rookie this soon and risk a Ryan Leaf debacle…. at least with KO you know what you get… I dunno I say stay the course, the team is 6-2 and they have beat pretty good teams but just ran into the two teams that gave the Broncs line-up night-mares… If Orton struggles and loses to Washington then I start to see a situation where there could be a QB controversy but for now what do you propose? Is there someone out there available that would be that much better than KO? nah just simma down and

I cant fathom ANYONE wishing failure on any member of their own so called team. This is not my idea of being a fan…..and we will never agree on this.
I am sure you think you are right…good for you……but I cant even stomach listening to any fan that wishes harm of failure to his own team.
You want Orton to fail, you want the Broncos to fail, and your willingness to persecute him regardless of the play of the rest of the O is just plain silly.
Is Orton a HOF QB? No. Is he blameless? No. But he is the not the sole cause as you so willingly point out, time after time, post after post with out any real logical argument.
It gets old man, and it is normal behavior for you, and its tiresome.
You live in a deluded world…there will never be another Elway, but you keep wishing for it……and while you are at keep searching for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow too.
I just dont get it!

1.I don’t understand how you want Orton to fail.
2.If Orton is useless he wouldn’t be starting. We also would not be 6-2
3.If you love Cutler so then jump off this ship and go to theirs. Frankly put I can’t see how you are a fan of the Broncos
4. Did you watch orton come from behind against the Pats and the Chargers. I don’t remember you airing things out then. I didn’t put dallas cause that moslty Marshall. Although Orton was smart enough to see the play before the snap if listen to post game.
5. I don’t care about his 9 TDs or his 4INTs. I care about 6-2 record and that fact that Kyle Orton WINS games.

Give me your tickets instead of selling them to opponents fans. I want to see orange in the stands, not other teams colors.

If you will not support through thick and thin, you are no true fan. Don’t try and wiggle your way out of this. You said “WE DON’T HAVE TO SUPPORT HIM”. If you do not support him you are rooting for losses and a disaster for a team.

Oh, and anyone can borrow my steam cleaner to clean the mess Improv88 makes on the carpet.

“His stats are pedestrian — 9 tds in 8 games (?).”
I agree. I’d like to see more touchdowns. We should remember that until the last two weeks, his the majority of his stats were in the top 10-12 range.

“. . . we traded away a QB with true potential for a journeyman who is now being apologized for . . .”
As a teacher, I measure that nebulous thing called potential by looking to see what improvement is being made over the course of time. Orton has improved over the course of time. Look at completion percentage, yards, TDs, Ints and Yards/Attempt, and you will see improvement:

2005 (15 games) 51.6% 1869 yards 9 TDs 13 Ints 5.1 YPA
2006 DNP
2007 (3 games) 53.8% 478 yards 3 TDs 2Ints 6.0 YPA
2008 (15 games) 58.5% 2972 yards 18 TDs 12 Ints 6.4 YPA
2009 (8 games) 63.2% 1838 yards 9 TDs 4 Ints 6.8

Orton’s completion percentage, yards, TDs, Interceptions and YPA have improved every single year he’s played. His TD-to-Int ratio has changed from 1 to 1.44 in 2005 to 1 to 0.66 in 2007, to 1 to 0.66 in 2008 and 1 to 0.44 so far in 2009. Meaning he’s throwing fewer Ints for each touchdown every year.

Looking at the “true” potential of your boy Jay, I see a QB who’s on a plateau, which suggests that he may well be operating at his potential already:

2006 (5 games) 59.1 1001 yards 9 TDs 5 Ints 7.3 YPA
2007 (16 games) 63.6 3497 yards 20 TDs 14 Ints 7.5 YPA
2008 (16 games) 62.3 4526 yards 25 TDs 18 Ints 7.3 YPA
2009 (8 games) 63.6 2046 yards 14 TDs 12 Ints 7.2 YPA

Jay’s completion percentage has remained virtually the same every year. His yards quickly increased from his first year to his third, but are looking like they will drop off this year. His TDs have increased, but so have his Ints. His YPA has remained more or less static, with a very small decline. His TD – to – Int ratio has changed from 1 to 0.55 in 2006 to 1 to 0.7 in 2007, to 1 to 0.72 in 2008 and so far in 2009 is 1 to 0.85. Meaning he’s throwing more interceptions for every touchdown every year.

“. . .his [Orton’s] career INT% is average at best. . .”
Just for perspective, Orton’s career INT% is 2.6. Here are the percentages for some top tier QBs:

Brady 2.3
Rivers 2.5
Manning 2.7
Flacco 2.7
Cutler 3.3
Roethlisberger 3.5

“. . .impose their will on a defense when it’s necessary . . . Orton does not.”
vs Dallas, trailing 10-7 going into the 4th quarter:
3:37 min 8 play 65 yard drive for a tying FG
1:01 min 3 play 73 yard drive for winning TD

vs NE trailing 17-10 going into the 4th quarter
4:38 min 12 play 98 yard drive for tying TD
Overtime
4:51 min 11 play 58 yard drive for winning FG

vs SD trailing 23-17 in the 3rd quarter
4:14 min 9 play 77 yard drive for go ahead TD
3:38 min 9 play 48 yard drive to increase lead with a FG
2:45 min 5 play 62 yard drive for a TD to seal the game

I agree with you on Plummer – Cutler never should have replaced him when he did. Big error on Shanahan’s part. I was a big Plummer fan (still am, I went to high school one town over – different conferences so we never played against each other, thank God) and he really got shafted on that one. Yes, I was a Cutler fan as well, and still believe his record as a Bronco is for the singular reason that he played those two seasons with the worst defenses that Denver has ever fielded. He gets crucified on these boards for things out of his control. But the bottom line is that he could be a game-changer, good or bad (it comes with the territory). You mention the Cutler Kool Aid. The Orton Kool Aid must be spiked since the support that is going up around him is mind-boggling given his performance. You’d think we managed to get Peyton Manning thrown in on the deal.

Click here and take a look at how Cutler does in games that the Bears have lost, except for Arizona. In those three other losses, his QB rating is below 80 in each game.

Click here and take a look at how Cutler did in the eight losses last year. There is a correlation between his QB rating and whether his team wins or loses.

How in the world is the defense responsible for Cutler’s QB ratings in losses? Please explain this to me.

oh wait…………… we are in first place.

You only want to draft the stud quarterback once the rest of the pieces are in place. Otherwise, you end up like the Bengals, who are on their fourth “can’t miss” quarterback in the last 15 years. This one may stick, but it still is not certain. Management kept drafting quarterbacks before they had a team in place, leading to a recurring case of 3-13.

The Broncos have other issues to address. Shanahan wasn’t a very good drafter and by last year, the talent level on the team was far lower than 1998-1999. Orton may mind the store for a couple of years while the team puts the other pieces in place. And remember, Joe Montana was a 3rd round pick with a pop-gun arm….

I am even more comfortable with the education McDaniels is giving him. I think he is going to be a good QB and needs time.