Please god help the broncos draft a QB next year!!!

“The dude is smart, dedicated, has the trust of his teamates, and is a leader of men on the field.” Brilliant!

He’s tough, his teammates seem to back him and he certainly backs them, he throws a pretty decent ball from 5-25 yards ( the jury’s still out with anything deeper, at least as a Bronco) and he certainly doesn’t take chances (perhaps too much so). That said, I’m looking for growth, development, poise, and the very occasional ability to carry the team when the rest of it is collapsing around him. And I don’t give a toss what he looks like. He didn’t have a good half last week and I don’t really know what his upside capacity is, but I don’t think we’re currently better off with either of the other two QBs on our roster. Seeing as how I’m cheering for the Broncos, I’m also cheering for Kyle. Here’s to a better, sixty minute game this week. Go Broncs!

Actually, I think he is a great guy. Great attitude. Very likeable. I’ve even heard he leans pretty heavy to the left, making him super OK (and in that way only better than Elway) in my Boulder book.

I just don’t think he’s much of a starting NFL QB. He is, from all that I’ve seen so far this season, a game manager who can’t make plays to make this offense special against very good to great defenses. Honestly, until the last two weeks he had been better than I thought he would be. I think he, as well as the rest of the offense, has been exposed. And it wasn’t the offense that carried the team to 6-0. No matter how much you guys want to spin things.

To be honest, I really like him! I really liked Plummer (I have two player’s jerseys who retired as Broncos #7 and #16). I really like the beard, sad that he shaved it for sure ;).

I like the way he handles himself with the team. He’s having fun out there and its fun to watch him connect. Yes, I am disappointed that he and the ENTIRE Broncos offense has had a rough two weeks. A lot of it has to do with the run game IMHO. We get that going again and then we will get the passing game going. Balance is key.

But I look at it like this, I have heard all the things, look at his record, but records can be decieving. Can he play QB in the NFL, yes, can he be a franchise type QB, I doubt it. I want him to suceed, but based on his play, I don’t see him being anything more than a journyman stop gap measure, a Gus Ferrote type player. The thing is I think we give QB’s too much credit when they win and too much balme when they lose. The bottom line is a QB can only control and do so much, if your defense can’t stop anybody then it doesn’t matter how great you play, you will likely lose, look at Drew Brees last year, he has one of the greatest seasons of any NFL QB ever, but his team was 8-8, is that his fault or the team? Same thing, I think everyone wants to point at Trent Dilfer and say he lead the Ravens to a SB, that is BS, that team won despite Trent Dilfer, Brian Griese could of won a SB with that defense and running game. This is a team game, everyone needs to do their jobs and you need a certain amount of playmakers to be a great team, having a great QB is a good way to be an elite team, having an average one and I think you will struggle to be great year in and year out (see what happend to the Ravens after the SB).

You also bring up Plummer, did he perfrom well here because he had a good team and great coaching or was it that he was some great QB? If he was a great QB, then his record in Arizona would of been better, he was a lot like Ken Stabler, great competitor with limited ability on a very good team, so it made him look better, put him on another team and he looks like crap. But take a great QB and switch them to different teams and they usally play pretty damn well and teams do well regardless (see Montana going to KC).

the same reason I hate Brian Griese, Steve Burl…n, Gus Frerotte, some QB’s name I cant remember, Jake Plummer, and Jay Cutler – - – - – - HE IS NOT JOHN FREAKING ELWAY!

;-) To be QB in Denver, means you won’t be very well regarded if you don’t measure up to the Duke.

And yes, I am known to have unreasonable expectations and can be a very demanding individual. Good thing Orton has a TEAM!

The man chrush that everyone has on kyle orton after a half of a season makes wonder how good you really think KO is???? I came up with a list of QB’s that have I would rather have than Orton. Both Mannings (big brother&little bro) Big Ben, Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, Phillis cry me a Rivers ( the dan Marino of his generation) Matt Shaub, Tony Romo, D.Nabb, What Brett Farve Doing Here?, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan. Others that could be in the mix- Josh McDainels would rather have Matt Cassel, Kurt Warner (to old) Matt Hasselbeck (same) and Jay Cutler who evey one used to love but now hates (call me fickel). Only 16 teams have worse qbs or in my estimation have less of a chance at winning the SB because of their QB’s. Det,Was,49rs,Car,Sea,TB,Chi,Stl,Buf,Jax,Mia,Oak,KC,Ten, NYJ and Cle.
I would like to say that I think that Orton has done a good job but I want to see the Broncos win championships now if we resign Orton we are wasting time.

But now I do know…I hate that f***er!!!

I think that KO regressed badly this game, he was very rattled I remember alot of passes where he was on one foot and not set which of course leads to picks or incompletes.
This is an alarming trend because we need his play in order to bring the run game back.
I feel he was the reason the broncos beat the patriots and chargers and it was him being more easily rattled that they lost to the ravens and steelers, and lost badly.

I know the Oline has been sucking but Orton still could have played better, I guess I can point to Aaron Rodgers who has a crap offensive line but still manages to put points on the board and not look like a deer in the headlights, Orton looked very very bad this last game but hopefully it can be fixed.
With KO it all comes down to confidence, which comes from the Oline. KO is who he is, he has been in the league long enough that we kno this is what we will get, there is no more upside, so right now the focus should be on fixing/getting healthy for the Oline.

The first half of the season has shown that KO is capable of winning games but as soon as the Oline falters KO becomes exponentially worse because of the loss of throwing mechanics and inaccuracy past 10 yards.

threw 5 picks tonight including 2 in the red zone. He threw away the game. Tell ya’ what – CHI stinks. We’re looking at a top 10 pick upcoming. That said I really don’t think Orton’s an ugly dude but he definitely lacks ability in the sense that it will eventually eliminate us from a deep run…no question. I’ve been extremely happy with him so far but don’t see him as a long term solution. I think Brandstater will be our best shot at a franchise QB based on what I’ve seen from McD so far…I believe he knows qb’s.

p.s. What’s up with all this cry-baby bickering on here lately? We need different opinions without people getting there feelings hurt so easily. It’s getting ridiculous.

" The hard part is where they’re inconsistent or they’re not very accurate or they don’t make good decisions…"

Accuracy and Decision Making – “What’s one without the other? If you make the wrong decision, you’ve got problems, and if you can’t throw the ball, even if you make the right decision, you’ve got problems. So if you’ve got these two, you’ve got Joe Montana. If you can’t do one of those two, then what’s the future?…If you have those two things, you have a quarterback. If you don’t have those two things, you’re going to have to dumb it down.”

Based on that I’m glad about the trade. Otherwise we’d be having problems, like in Chicago.

From my observation it seems as though Orton’s real flaw has nothing to do with his arm. Many people have cited his 65 yard through against the pats as proof, and others exist. And I also think the offense’s problems have nothing to do with not “airing it out,” with pass plays 20 yds and longer. (rushing for 27 yards doesn’t help). It’s pretty obvious that Orton is a very smart QB who is great at making reads and adjustments at the line. He is an above average decision-maker, and has above average accuracy. And I’d even give his arm strength a rating of average to above average (obviously it’s not great, but it IS underrated).

The ONLY problem that I have seen with Orton’s game is his ability to deal with pressure. He is not very mobile and does not avoid sacks well. But taking sacks are only part of the problem. When he gets pressured, he seemingly becomes panicky and can be forced into poor decisions. In the first half on monday, the O-line overall did a good job at keeping him protected. And he threw for a pretty impressive 170 yds. He was picking apart the secondary on almost every drive. The lack of a rushing attack, stupid penalties, and the pick (while pressured and Moreno was bumped off his route) were really the only thing that stopped us in the first half. But in the second half, we had no running game to keep the defense honest, and they brought pressure on almost every play. And Orton struggled. The same thing happened against Baltimore.

So while Orton clearly needs to improve when he has pressure, I blame most of the offensive deficiencies so far on the O-line. The two tackles (when Harris is healthy) are great, especially at pass protection. But up the middle, the line is below average. Hamilton was terrible, which resulted in him losing his starting job. It told me a lot when the Steelers took Harrison from the outside to have him line up in the middle against Hamiltion. But it’s not just Hamilton. Kuper is OK. He’s not great, but he can do the job. But Wiegmann is clearly more suited for zone blocking, and not man-to-man blocking. The middle of the line has no ability to get nasty and push people out of the way. Which is the MAIN cause of our poor offensive play. The inability to give Orton time in key situations, and the inability to get any push at all and create holes in the run game is killing us. And until we either improve, or “man up,” up the middle, this offense is going to continue to struggle against the top d’s in the league.

 I can’t see us losing to the Redskins, but their defense is good enough to slow us down and make more haters come out of the woodworks if we score less than 20 points. But I see us coming out focused on both ends. Broncos 30, Redskins 6.

First place is more than being nearly out of the playoff hunt too.

Rec’d

I once was lost but now I am found, was blind but now I see.

Looking at the “before” picture in Chicago uniform looking like a drunken bum and the “after” picture in a Broncos uniform looking like an angel, I’m guessing Orton feels like amazing grace has smiled on him.

"Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
Batman (1989) – The Joker (Jack Nicholson)

thanks for initiating a great discussion