Fix the running game, change the attitude
OK, I admit it, I am a huge fan of Peyton Hillis. It started the day we drafted him, and I have not lost faith in the player. I had seen his play at Arkansas and I knew he had the chance to be a special player, a type of RB/FB that we had never had. He appeared to be a cross between John Riggins and Mike Alstott. I thought that Denver got the steal of the draft.
I will also admit I did not think Moreno was the best back coming out of the draft and that where we selected him was too high, I did not see him as the game changing back that a guy like Adrian Peterson or LT was when he came out. I saw Moreno more as a good back, but not a top five back. That being said, I expected far more production from Moreno, he has probably the best RB coach in the league, is surrounded by other playmakers, and appeared to have a great O-line to run behind (more on that part later).
The running game in general has been below average this year. Some would say it is because the tough defenses we have played, others would say it is because the struggles of the offensive line, other say Moreno is a rookie and should be given a break. It may be because of these or a combination of all three, but a top 15 pick should be playing at a higher level. Running back is probably the easiest position to transition from college to pro, don’t believe me, look at the NFL rookie of the year award, it has been handed since 1967, and 31 winners have been RB. Still don’t believe me, lets look at Denver’s recent rookie RB production:
2007 – Peyton Hillis 343 yds for 5.0 yards/attempt
2006 – Selvin Young - 726 yds for 5.2 yards/attempt
2004 – Tatum Bell – 396 yds for 5.2 yards/attempt
2002 – Clinton Portis – 1508 yds for 5.8 yards/attempt
2000 – Mike Anderson – 1,487 yds for 5.0 yards/attempt
1999 – Orlandis Gary – 1,159 yds for 4.2 yards/attempt
1995 – Terrell Davis – 1,117 yds for 4.7 yards/attempt
While our rookie’s current production is 423 yards for 3.7 yards/attempt. As we can see the average per attempt is by far lowest. In addition, we have all witnessed the struggles with blitz pick-ups and ball security.
We could say that the problem is the blocking, and I admit that has been an issue. But I think there is a bigger issue behind the blocking and changing schemes. I think our biggest problem is that we do not have an attitude when running the ball. Any good running team feeds of the attitude of the running back. As amazing as Adrian Peterson is, it is his style that inspires his team and his O-line, how can you not get pumped when you see your RB toss DB away like used tissue. We all saw it last year when Hillis finally got his shot, how the offensive line and the team got excited, when they see him drag a 350 lb NT for 5 yards they wanted to go to work, when they saw him run over a LB and put him on his butt they wanted to hold the their blocks a second longer, and when he would pick up the tough yard on 3rd and short the defense also was inspired by seeing a back with attitude lead the team. This team’s running game has always fed off RB’s with an attitude, whether it was Terrell Davis laying out blitzers, Clinton Portis attitude that he would not be denied, Rueben Droughns running over people, this team needs a RB that can carry the attitude, that will do what it takes to get the tough yard. We are missing that, and that attitude and talent is sitting on the sideline.
I hope that Moreno becomes a better back and improves, but right now, Hillis needs a legit shot. He needs to be let out of the doghouse. He is the type of player the offense can rally around. Buckhalter has a great attitude, but he is frankly not cut out to be a starting RB and cannot wear down a defense. Hillis can pound a defense and open up opportunities for Buckhalter and Moreno later in the game. It is time for an attitude change and a change in thestarting RB, unleash Hillis and let the team follow.
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It's really difficult to make a projection this early in his career.
I’m sure you’ll get three thousand comments that say that. However, I do agree with you— Knowshon does not seem to make his impact on the game.
Early on in the career of many special backs, you saw them impose their will or skill on a player. Chris Johnson is an excellent example of imposing skill, and Adrian Peterson is a perfect example of imposing will. Chris Johnson has tremendous vision in addition to his truly special speed. When he hits a hole he’s gone, and many of those holes are not available to other running backs. Although All Day has the speed and vision to make some tremendous athletic plays, you typically think of him laying a bone crushing hit on a linebacker/DB and setting the tone.
Here’s where I think your point is made— a special back should be plugged into a system out of college (DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, heck even Clinton Portis had 15 rushing TDs his rookie season) and produce. Knowshon has not shown me any power, decision making prowess, breakaway speed, or vision expected of the number one back taken in a draft.
The expectations are what are driving your analysis. He could be a solid pick, just not a gamebreaker. But again, it’s too early to tell. Also, his blitz pickup sucks :oP
by legendarywalton on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Rookie of the Year
If KnoMo is so bad, why is he currently leading ALL rookie RB’s in yards, is third in ROY balloting, etc?
by Endzone on Nov 12, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think you answered you own question
He leads all rookies in yards but is third in balloting, the rookie class obviously is not that good and two is he does not have that much of an impact.
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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ROY
That is ROY for ALL rookies, not just running backs.
by Endzone on Nov 12, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jairus Byrd is my ROY
Look at that impact. And KnowMo was drafted to play right away— Donald Brown and LeSean McCoy were drafted to play once the incumbent is gone. He’s not producing like a #1 back should.
by legendarywalton on Nov 12, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but typically the rookie of the year award goes to a offensive player
Unless a defensive one really has a breakthrough season, like Julius Peppers or Kearse, who I think were the last two defensive ROY, what I am getting at is that Moreno has not had that much of a positive impact to get noticed much if he is third in balloting. I think that for the 1st overall RB taken, the fact he has a lot of other weapons here where defense can’t key on him, he should be having a much better year.
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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Points
KnoMo has not been having a great year. But given our Oline inability to open running lanes I can’t blame him too much. Coupled with his reluctance to be patient, juking around once he makes his cut, etc., the kid still has a lot to learn before he is a really good NFL player. The players poll (not MSM or fans) put Percy Harvin at #1, Mark Sanchez at #2., KnoMo at #3.
by Endzone on Nov 12, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oline Woes
Moreno is a very good back. But you cannot run when there are no running lanes. Pretty simple really.
by Endzone on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Against the poor teams at the beginning of our schedule...
We were a rushing juggernaut. Moreno’s longest run is 17 yards, Buck ripped off a 45 and 34 yarder. Moreno even admitted to having few 20+ runs in college. If you perfectly execute a play you should leave the RB to make one guy miss— I haven’t seen Knowshon do that yet, and that translates in your first year out of school.
by legendarywalton on Nov 12, 2009 12:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Running Game
Though its not intended to be an excuse, I think we’re all seeing a shift from a ZB scheme that most Denver fans have grown to love and proudly say, “anyone can run in this system”. Those days are behind us as coach McDaniels is transitioning into a power running scheme.
As much as I loved Moreno coming out of college, his entire football career all he did was score TDs (record holder in the state of NJ w/over 140). This season, as rewarding as it has been to the entire fanbase, roster and coaching staff, this is year one under the new regime. We can expect, or at least I can, the interior line to be addressed during the offseason. This is where power football establishes its PoA (point of attack) and eventually establishes identity and playaction opportunity.
I respect your view and agree that Moreno hasn’t been consistent but that is an assessment that can be shared throughout the roster. For the record, Denver had only 2 plays that we had negative rushing yards BEFORE the Baltimore and Pittsburgh game. That speaks volumes to me.
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by dcrespo7 on Nov 12, 2009 2:42 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good post....
Your stats clearly highlight that it is a combination of things: Changing scheme and tentative RB play.
Buck is being FORCED into being a workhorse, where he is best with 10 or so touches a game as a big play guy, being a threat in pass and run game.
Moreno and the lines ineffectiveness is essentially taking away the tole that Buck is best in…so it turns it into multiple problems quickly.
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by boydy2669 on Nov 12, 2009 5:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Have we gotton too far away from the zone blocking running system?
Maybe I’m wrong, I’m not that good at recognizing all these variations but to my untrained eye it looks like we are far from the system of past years. Our offensive line was built for the zone running game and we still have the coaches to implement it. Why not give it a try? Hillis could be a big part of that, Moreno and Buckhalter have done some of it and certainly have the skills. It would also be unexpected, we could pull it out against San Diego.
by Lisa FB on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Hillis can still make an impact even if we go away from ZB
He’s a tremendous athlete and a great fullback. I’d love to see some I-Formation from McDaniel’s and co. This would help shore up the lack of power in our running game. That’s why you saw Larsen in on goal line plays— the extra push coming out of the backfield. With Hillis, you’ve got a legitimate receiving threat so the formation does not automatically signal run. I think this is a terrific compromise for McDaniel’s system.
by legendarywalton on Nov 12, 2009 8:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillis
Not just smash-mouthing up the middle, but Shanny had the Hillis mojo going strong with the flip passes to the outside—I loved seeing that kid getting just a little bit of steam up the sideline before the collisions.
by oxmouth on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Also a good point
I think Hillis is the best reciever out of the backfield and is a tough matchup for most LBs to cover, forcing a safety to cover him, and thereby freeing up a WR or TE.
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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
That later this season we are going to see a big dose of Hillis- fresh legs so to speak…
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by waltersobchakbronco on Nov 12, 2009 10:25 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I hope that is the plan
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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2009 1:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Buck and Submarino have had their chances
I am ready to see the Hillis and Larsen show. Nothing backs off blitzing LB’s like a hard hitting Larsen with a hard hitting Hillis as a follow up punch.
Oh and it might give Orton a few more seconds to throw the ball too.
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by YellowStoneBronco on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
That is also a good point
I would think that the pass protection would be much better with Hillis picking up the LB/S versus Buck or Moreno.
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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Buck is awesome but needs to be played his strengths...
Play Hillis and Buck as change of pace….Moreno is sub sets!
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by boydy2669 on Nov 12, 2009 6:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Moreno ranks in the top ten RBs
for breaking tackles or making defenders miss (with 11 on 109 carries). AP by comparison has 17 in 164, putting them both at around 1 in 10. All the rest of the “daylight” running room comes from the Oline.
The thing to realize about McD’s running offense, is that it pressures the interior of the defense, not necessarily with the intention of hitting homeruns, or even of “softening” the defense up, as much as it sets up the defense for specific coverages in passing situations. That is why McD harps on balance: in general, every successful pass correlates to the part of the running game that sets it up, and 9 times out of ten, that part is the very difficult interior running, due to the nature of ~90% of the defenses in the league. It would be great to say that if we ran the ball successfully we wouldn’t need to care about the passing game, but McD realizes that he will have to pass in every game eventually. Rather than wait for defenses to force him into the passing game, he forces a situational passing game (targeted at specific weaknesses and tendencies) onto defenses.
This kind of interrelation between passing and running isn’t obvious watching a single play, and isn’t glaring even during a series of plays. Watch a series of 1st down rushes from across several drives and multiple games, though, and it starts to show up.
Moreno can be a great player, not because he rips off 80 yard TD runs, but because he loves the game, and his team, enough to gut out 4 and 5 yard power runs, with no stats, TDs or glory for himself. He puts every part of himself into the game, and has an elite “shiftiness” that gives him opportunities that many lesser backs won’t have. That is a rare combo, and I am glad that McD and co saw it and wanted it.
We live in the world of situational football now, and Moreno may never be the statistical darling that many other great backs like AP and Turner are, because of that. But every so often he will will something to happen that has no earthly right happening, and when he does it, we will all get to share in the celebration of something special.
Wish he would stop slipping down on his cut though… :P
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 13, 2009 12:51 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to reiterate that
We live in the world of situational football now
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