Broncos Thoughts and Musings - Redskins Week
Another week in the NFL, and the Broncos didn't win this time, either. The earth remains in orbit, and the stock market didn't crash (again). Once again, some of the fan base is breaking its ankles in their haste to jump back off the bandwagon. Many of them will climb over people's heads to jump back on next week, too. It's the way this season is going.
Jimmy probably said the same thing to you that he once said to me: "You’re really only competing with about 10 teams a year. If you just say out of the way, the other 20 teams will screw it up themselves. Whether it’s ownership or personnel or coaching or some combination of factors." Ego, internal struggle, something will happen to two-thirds of the teams, that was Jimmy’s theory. That leaves you with about 10 teams that you’re going to have to really battle with. Those teams have it together. They’re going to make good decisions and if you play bad football, they’re going to take advantage of it. They’re going to find some undrafted guy or some middle-round pick or some veteran free agent who is going to spark their team. Pittsburgh is always going to be there. Indianapolis is always going to be there. They may not win it, but they’ll be there. You’re going to have to beat them. Philadelphia is going to be there. Yeah, [quarterback Donovan] McNabb might get hurt one year and they might go 7-9, but they’re going to be there. You’re still battling them on every front.
This is exactly what I'm referring to when I get on certain teams or payers about their ego or their arrogance. If your players are acting out on the sidelines, if they're talking about their unhappiness in the papers, they're contributing to the opposing team's success, and that's just pointless. No matter what team it shows up in, I'm going to point out that it's a bad idea. Seriously, what's the argument in favor of what a good idea it is? This is what the best teams don't do.
A perfect example of this kind of arrogance from this week's games? Tommie Harris, Chicago Bears DT. Harris is a very good player with a very bad attitude, which got him benched for the Cleveland game. The Bears aren't stopping the pass and their pass rush has been lacking, but their run defense remained stout and he's a key element there. So, during a game in which the Bears later lost two more members of the secondary (SS Al Afalava and CB Charles Tillman) Harris got so self-involved that he threw a blatant sucker punch at a defenseless opposing player (OT Deuce Lutui) who was already on the ground, 64 lousy seconds into the game. That might cost the Bears his services for that game was well as (potentially) this coming Thursday as he sits out a suspension. Since Chicago is on the line, with two more losses perhaps costing them the playoffs for a third consecutive year, that action stands out as the boneheaded play of the season so far. The Johnson Principle - handing over games by self-centered actions - is in full swing.
When a Bronco does it, I'll call that player on it as well. But, just because I'm not rooting for a certain team doesn't make it any less arrogant or any less foolish when it happens. I really don't care if it's your team or not - it isn't a very bright thing to do. One thing that I like about this year's Broncos - each person that I've listened to has taken the loss on himself and talked about the team in a positive and supportive way. That's just the way it ought to be.
In regards to the running game, LG, C, and RT are exposed at the moment. One is due to injury while the others will have many wondering, "what the hell happened"!?
Say hello to my fast...
by dcrespo7 on Nov 10, 2009 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a good, valid, and ultimately important point. I don't really wonder what happened - Hamilton hasn't been the same since the injury, whether they are linked or not. Casey Wiegmann is losing to the only player he ever will again - Father Time. Tyler Polumbus would/will need time to get his own timing and communication down right. We like to believe that everyone can learn instantly, but it usually doesn't work that way, sad to say. Ryan Harris will be back, perhaps, which would help, and Chris Kuper has been a rock. Ryan Clady has some sophomore stuff going on, but he's fine. Polumbus will show us how vulnerable we are by the time Harris makes it back.
Let's be fair. There's no way that one team could have solved anything else in this little time. The changes in this team are tremendous, quick, and have generally been effective. When you have a major weakness get exposed during a season, sometimes you need a little time to fix it. It's this team's first season together, so it's not like they've had a decade to work out the kinks.
Washington might be the tonic that we need. Traveling is never easy - statistically, I've seen that it affects winning substantially, so this will not be considered a cakewalk. We need a decisive win, whatever the score. Still - that's a doable goal. I don't see losing the last two games as that big a deal - we've won a lot more than we've lost and both teams had tremendous games, a fact that seems to have escaped many fans' attention. We need to make some adaptations, and I look forward to seeing what they are.
Go Broncos!
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Washington scares me, honestly.
A short week, an early east coast game, coming off two physical games…
The Washington pass defense is one of the tops in the league. And our running game is struggling.
With Haynesworth in the middle disrupting the pocket and getting a push, Orton will face the same kind of trouble he’s faced the past two weeks.
If, however, the Broncos can get the running game working, Orton will be able to play action (like he did very successfully against Pittsburgh in the first half)_and move the ball that way.
It all depends on the o-line.
My fingers are crossed.
by JeffG on Nov 12, 2009 10:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Every team should be engaged with respect
However, the Skins have the softest schedule in the NFL and are only 2-6? That doesn’t say they are tops in anything….
by Ace O'Dale on Nov 12, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing, our record on the early moring games is generally aweful
I also fear WA, I think it is going to be an ugly game (but based on my prediction from last week, what do I know), I still think we win, but likely on some last minute stuff.
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by Broncoman on Nov 12, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a really pivotal game.
All of the trust that McDaniels earned from me could be gone if we lose. Traveling east, playing early, and coming off of two losses— it’s easy to see a let down. However, the Redskins are absolutely dismal. Their defense is clearly the strength of the team, but if they come out and out-execute us with the organization/motivational problems they have, I believe Denver fans have every right to question the coaching and passion in the locker room.
This is the no excuse game. If they lose this one, it’s understandable that we panic. Having said that, McDaniel’s will have these guys prepared, Dawkins will exact a measure of revenge for his poor game and the Broncos win, 20-0. That’s right. Shut out.
by legendarywalton on Nov 12, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You wide-eyed optimist, you ;-)
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If they lose
they’re 6-3 tied with SD for 1st place. No need to panic. Panic causes stampedes in livestock, evolve.
by _Atwater27 on Nov 12, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
SD
With Philly rolling into town Sunday, the Chargers could be looking at 5-4.
Phyllis? Phyllis? Are you there? I can't hear you anymore.
by pubkeeper on Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Philly short On D
Hobbs & Hanson out (IR & Drug Suspension) in secondary. We will see how a revamped line up in the secondary will fare against Rivers?
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Nov 12, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people are already panicking
…and the team knows it. I just hope they don’t start playing not to lose.
by JeffG on Nov 12, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice thoughts Emmett.
I have wondered the same things about Hamilton as you have. I think his serious concussion has likely left him with less ability and even worse, less ability to recover as the season goes on. I have posted recently on the shameful way the NFL has dealt with head injuries and their long term consequences. I don’t see any substantial change in their attitude coming soon unless forced by collective bargaining with the players union. I really think Hamilton’s career is over through no fault of his own. He’s been a real warrior, but this is beyond the ability of will and courage to overcome. I always enjoy reading your insightful thoughts sir.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 10:39 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Ponderosa
Yes, you and I have similar thoughts on the head injury debacle. Charted as a time line, it’s hard to make a case that Ben has been fine. I’m not trying for an ex post facto (this, then that, so ‘this’ must be causal) but the facts are still hard to ignore. By the way – loved your post on that subject.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Having suffered a severe concussion...
…I can attest to the fact that it takes a very long time for the brain to work right. I remember feeling like I was stuck in an acorn deep in my brain…fully aware of my diminished reasoning ability but being incapable of fighting through it. I gave up watching TV for six weeks afterward because I couldn’t track confusing plots like ‘Cheers’ or ‘Leave it to Beaver’. I can’t imagine having to go back and get hit repeatedly in the head while trying to react properly to the speed of professional football. My doctors also made sure that I fully understood that the evidence suggested that I was now more likely to get concussed easier and with less force than I might have tolerated before. For long time Broncos fans, a great analogy of this principle is the Chris Miller Experiment. The guy got concussed twice in a couple of weeks merely getting slapped in the helmet. It has no reflection on the man, but rather a debilitating injury that snowballs from one to the next. I would go so far as to say the NFL’s attempts to pooh-poo this issues has border on criminal. I’m sure Mike Webster’s family completely agrees.
Ben Hamilton has nothing to be ashamed of, nor has he let this team down. His a warrior that has maybe succumbed to the rigors of a very violent sport.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 12, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for sharing that, PO
I, too, have suffered from multiple concussive syndrome. It can be frightening, perplexing and infuriating. Even those who love you the most will be confused by things that you have no control over. Beyond anything else, I found it terrifying. If Hamilton does have issues there, I hope that someone will get him the help that he will need. If it’s something else, I’d be happier by far.
Thanks for having the courage to share what you’ve gone through – I appreciate it beyond words.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading
that Hamilton scared himself because he was so out of sorts with his wife and kids. If it were me, and his dropoff is concussion related, I’d be seriously considering retirement. Maybe he should have a sit-down with Lepsis.
Phyllis? Phyllis? Are you there? I can't hear you anymore.
by pubkeeper on Nov 12, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
Terrifying is a good word…as are frustrating and perplexing. I would pace, because I felt like a completely helpless hostage stuck deep in myself. Its very hard to explain to those that haven’t experienced it.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 12, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for sharing your personal story PO.
I too suffered a serious concussion and it adversely affected my life for a year and has changed me to this very day 40 years later. I am going to be a huge advocate for change in the NFL to protect our players now and for years to come. Many players don’t manifest the worst symptoms till decades after they have retired. We need research that is objective and longitudinal which the NFL is attempting to block or subvert because of the large potential economic impact. Thanks so much for sharing once again.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Doc
Do you think Hillis is going to get a shot to make an impact in the 2nd half of this season? And, is Larsen going to get in the mix more since he’s back from his injury?
MARK IT ZERO!!!!
Dude, this is a league game, this determines who enters the next round robin. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.
by waltersobchakbronco on Nov 12, 2009 10:53 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yes and yes
I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen with the running game. What I do know is that in college and in his first season, Hillis has issues early on, picking up the schemes and performing. If you recall, the Broncos benched him last season for a while. While I believe that to be a little different, I’m not shocked that he’s been mostly a ST player. Still – we need certain changes and he receives well out of the backfield. If Moreno or Buck miss a couple of games, he may get his chance.
Larsen is a very fine player. He’ll start back on STs and then branch out, I’d expect.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Emmett,
really informative info here. I had been wondering if the concussion Hamilton suffered would eventually be his undoing….Your explanation on head injuries and there long term effects really quantified what I was thinking. Quite frankly head injuries scare me, our brains are very fragile and it takes so little to damage them……
by bchiper on Nov 12, 2009 11:02 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Much gratitude to the Doc and Ponderosa regarding info on concussions
First of all, I wish Ben the best in the rest of his career, but more importantly, the years following. We’re only now beginning to see the data regarding the long-term effects of these serious events, and I truly hope that Ben is able to lead a fruitful life post-football.
That said, I mentioned in another post that it seemed that Ben was not only getting beat in physical matchups, but that he was also making some uncharacteristic mental mistakes. These mistakes go back into last season as well, especially in regards to penalties.
I wondered if that could possibly be related to the fact that Ben was concussed seriously enough to keep him out for an entire season. I truly believe that the positions requiring the greatest mental and physical prowess are those along the offensive line. IPS is a big part of their game, and perhaps Ben’s post-concussion state and subsequent repeated blows to the head have have a detrimental effect in that regard. Frankly, I think that may have been a part of the issue with his losing the physical matchups, too. If you’re not playing instinctively, you are far more likely to lose those physical battles.
I find the issue of NFL post-concussion issues both fascinating and tragic. Any thoughts from Emmett or Ponderosa would be appreciated.
- Jason
I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV
by jubei on Nov 12, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I find the issue of NFL post-concussion issues both fascinating and tragic. Any thoughts from Emmett or Ponderosa would be appreciated.
I second that.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 2:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll refer you to my post on October 1, 2009
The Shameful Secret
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 3:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is the link
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 12, 2009 8:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. I don't know how to do the link.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Ponderosa and Styg.
Much appreciated.
- Jason
I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV
by jubei on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome as Always
Too many thoughts to handle all at once though! So let me ask just one. Hillis suffered a concussion, if I remember correctly, and showed some confusion this year. Did he have a concussion? If so, is that perhaps a reason for his seeing little playing time?
by Endzone on Nov 12, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
What a great and rare gift you have, Emmett.
You have become my favorite overall writer here at MHR, and that says a WHOLE LOT because every writer here is at least VERY good. But you bring a human, even poetic touch to sports writing that is just an absolute pleasure to read. Few sports writers go below the surface of the sport they are covering at all. Point in case, all the bashing all the MSM did on our team over the off-season when you could see positive changes happening. Most of the writers here go below that surface which is why I come here to get my daily Bronco fix. But you go even deeper, way down into the human drama of it all. From your personal stories of the young men entering the draft to your pieces on player injuries and the realities of the average NFL players life to your own personal stories like the one you did a month or so ago about you on the beach. That stuff is REAL. Football is great. Xs and Os are interesting. But the stuff you write about is REAL and it is always a pleasure and, in fact, a privilege to read your work.
Sorry for the long, drawn out cheerleading if you will, but you deserve it. I thoroughly respect and appreciate the work you do here and if it takes five paragraphs to express my gratitude, well then damn it! Five paragraphs it will be! (Luckily this only took 1 and a 1/2 LONG paragraphs.)
Oh, and in case you couldn’t tell, REC’D. ;-)
"Change is inevitable - except from vending machines."
by EastCoastBronco on Nov 12, 2009 11:19 AM MST reply actions 9 recs
Word.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 12, 2009 11:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Big +1
Thanks for the work you put in Emmett…
As EastCoast stated, you bring a very refreshing and different perspective than anyone else to my favorite team. You also tend to be the voice of reason for me… For instance, it is easy to get down on a player and start yelling for him to be removed and cut and then start saying things like, “he’s worthless, did you see how many times he got ran over!”. Clearly, I am talking about Ben and voicing some thoughts I have had about him this year… I, like others, tend to forget he is a human being who is battling through a serious injury and just plum doing his best for the team and the fans. Once again, you were the voice of reason.
by aLuffabo on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You are now "Green" with envy.
Lol
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't put it any better ECB
Thanks most sincerely, Emmett.
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Nov 12, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Many thanks, ECB
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks ECB for sharing what I feel as well!!!
…And of course, thanks to you too Emmett.
by BroncoSense72 on Nov 13, 2009 7:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If your opening statement had been a prediction written two weeks ago
I would have been in complete agreement. Yes, we all knew we would be losing some games and if you had foreseen the likelihood of two of those losses coming against Baltimore and Pittsburgh, I would have acquiesced. If you had stated that a 6-2 record is a very agreeable point from which to go forward, I would have given you my full support and had you told us there is no shame in losing to these two teams, I would have been with you. There is some shame involved, however, in being demolished as was the case.
I strongly disagree with your assessment about the many fans expressing disappointment after these games as being vacillating band-wagoners. I don’t consider myself or anyone else a fickle fan for harboring serious concerns at this point. I think most of us have had an uneasy feeling all season long that the offense seemed to be sputtering in spite of the numbers looking pretty good. As long as we were winning, it was very easy to tell ourselves that there is no reason to worry, that it is a new system, that the players need time to gel and that they are getting better every week. The potential patience resulting from age can’t free you from a feeling that these arguments are beginning to look a lot like excuses.
While the wins have been very satisfying, pretty much all were uncomfortably close. It sure would be a welcome comfort builder if the Broncos would obtain one or two decisive wins for a change. They don’t have to be as one sided as what our opponents enjoyed the last two weeks. If only they could play a game in which the winning outcome is all but certain before the last quarter commences. Great teams have at least some games like that and if The Broncos could do that once or twice, it sure would go a long ways towards restoring faith in the team.
by warmick on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff.
Valuable perspective and very elgantly stated. I’m a sucker for contrarians!
by legendarywalton on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Opinions, differ, which is a good thing
Makes for enjoyable discussion. During the 1st quarter of the 1st game – not to mention the first preseason game – there were a lot of very vocal posters claiming that we’d lose most of our games. Bench Orton! Fire McDaniels! Woe! Fear! Disaster!
If you haven’t seen that kind of tendency to paint every setback as the end of the world, I’m fine with that. On the other hand, I’ve seen what I’ve seen, and that tendency is still around and healthier than our O line. Been on the game day threads? Every mistake is the end of the known universe. When I peruse the comments after a game, we’re either in the SB or won’t win another game. I’m calling it like I’ve seen it.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Though not active on the game threads...
I must admit I typically run the gamut of those emotions/opinions during every game, win or loss. I’d say it’s more relevant what people are saying the next morning or 2.
Phyllis? Phyllis? Are you there? I can't hear you anymore.
by pubkeeper on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
As for opinions, I'm concerned with our performance, but I'm thrilled with where we stand.
Context being everything, losing to the defending Super Bowl champs and the team that they beat to go to the big dance is not cause for grave concern on my part. If we lose at home in the same fashion to the raiders that we did to the Steelers, then I’ll start to worry.
As it stands, I’m content with wins of any sort, by whatever means, and by whatever margin. Speaking of margins, I don’t see many people complaining about the fact that the ‘dynastic’ Patriots won each of their Super Bowls by three points each. A win is a win.
I sometimes wonder just what exactly some people require to at least once stop playing the skeptic. Perhaps when one wants to play the skeptic, one will look for, and find, whatever is required to continue to be so, regardless.
- Jason
I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV
by jubei on Nov 12, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Speaking of margins, I don’t see many people complaining about the fact that the ‘dynastic’ Patriots won each of their Super Bowls by three points each. A win is a win.
Also interesting that the Pats lost their Super Bowl to the Giants by 3. And, last year’s Steelers 15-4 record was by 432 – 284, less than an 8 point differential per game. This is the NFL, a professional football league.
He felt like the man that drew the first circle. Simple, and perfect.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan
by bradley on Nov 12, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how this works....
If the Broncos as most writers predicted, were 2-6 at this point instead of 6-2; then your statement would also ring true…….
………. it was very easy to tell ourselves that there is no reason to worry, that it is a new system, that the players need time to gel and that they are getting better every week. The potential patience resulting from age can’t free you from a feeling that these arguments are beginning to look a lot like excuses.
Is the Victory Glass half full of half empty?? I fill mine with Kool-Aid and keep it half full.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Nov 12, 2009 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but to notice a great irony in 'Bronco Country' hysteria...
..which is— everybody claimed that McD didn’t know how to build the engine, and that Orton couldn’t drive it— even on the off chance that McD wasn’t, in fact, a total idiot. McD proved he knew something beyond most people’s wildest imagination, Orton hung 6 victories with it despite not being capable of driving it anyway, yet now both are getting gutted for destroying the engine that they didn’t understand how to build or drive.
Its an ironic place— the NFL.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 12, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Word!
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Nov 12, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice!
Rec’d for conveying your point in such a clear and understandable way. I wish I could have said it myself!
- Jason
I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV
by jubei on Nov 12, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
VERY VERY TRUE PreOr
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Nov 12, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
perfect illustration
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 12, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You and Emmett Smith both responded to my post
which is appreciated but I am puzzled as to why either of you would, when neither of you chose to address what I said. As for your cliché:
Is the Victory Glass half full of half empty??
That is a response that actally would address half the messages on this board.
Funny how that works…..
by warmick on Nov 12, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ironic isn't it
I actually agree with you. I would just love for the Broncos to actually win a game with enough margin of victory in the 4th Quarter that I could actually enjoy my bowl of “Victory Popcorn” And I am disappointed in the effort of both the offense and the defense late in the last two games. I know they are tired but when does team pride enter into the effort?
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Nov 12, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean that as being critical of people disappointed in the last two efforts.
I’m speaking more of the crowd that mocked MHR regulars in the ramp up to the season and who seem to take some pride and glory in the recent struggles. There is a strange celebratory element mixed in among the Bronco faithful, IMO. People who call themselves fans who are brightened by failure, in other words. This I don’t get. There are no comments I’d put in that category here…but there are plenty on my regular cyber-cicuit (PFT, NFP, etc)
This team is exceeding my most hopeful expectations, and mine were higher than most. I thought they’d lose at Baltimore, but I expected the Steelers game to swing in Denver’s favor like it did in Pittsburgh’s favor. I was disappointed…more so than I expected. Yet against Baltimore and the Steelers I got the sense that the team was more of a victim of momentum— an element I personally believe is strongly underestimated in this league— than a lack of heart or effort. That’s only my opinion, of course, but I think a 6-2 be judged proportionally to that record, so to use the cup anology, I would argue that still leans towards exceedingly full. I’d also caution people who are looking for blowouts. That’s not how McD rolls. He’d rather win safely by seven, than risk losing by the same for the sake of vanity and sport.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 12, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure what makes it ironic but
you expressed perfectly what I meant to say. It would be so nice for once to sit back and savor the victory while watching the last part of the game.
by warmick on Nov 12, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you asked
I didn’t respond because I consider that kind of simplistic for/against thinking exactly what I don’t care for. What’s a Victory Glass? What has that to do with anything at all? I’m sorry – I really don’t mean to embarrass you, but since you asked about it I’ll just give you my opinion: Things aren’t simplistic and I won’t insult the factors on either side by playing ’Let’s pretend".
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Look Emmett Smith
You, deservedly in my opinion demand as much respect as anyone on MHR but you just did it again. You responded to my post but not to what I said. I never brought up anything about a "victory glass" (hence my first, probably a little too disdainful, response to Broncobh). You can rest assured about one thing though: There is nothing you can say that could possibly embarrass me. Perhaps I am simplistic (it is difficult to make such assessment regarding yourself) although I have no idea on what you base that determination but your "let’s pretend" reference is indeed over my head.
by warmick on Nov 12, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why those words were crossed out
that is certainly not the way I intended them to read. It should have been:
You, – deservedly in my opinion – demand as much respect as anyone on MHR
by warmick on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
My apologies if I missed your point. I don’t do oversimplification and as I noted, I’m not trying to embarrass anyone. Why not tell me what point you want me to comment on, and I’d be glad to.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 4:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I will let you decide
what is worthy of a response. I merely request that if you do choose to respond, it will be to something I actually said. You are obviously quite busy on these boards so I regret if I seemed miffed about something said that was perhaps merely caused by a momentary confusion as to which post belonged to whom.
by warmick on Nov 12, 2009 6:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was. No worries.
We see the actions of the fan bases differently, and to me, that doesn’t require comment. I respect both sides, but stick with what I’ve seen. However – this might interest you:
While the wins have been very satisfying, pretty much all were uncomfortably close. It sure would be a welcome comfort builder if the Broncos would obtain one or two decisive wins for a change.
Over the years, I’ve read a lot of books and analysis on the way that coaches view a game. It was pretty interesting – even eye-opening. the coaches – and we can use Parcells as an example, becuase I spent a great deal of time on him – tend to view the game much lie a chess match. t has commented the same, but here’s where it might matter. They will often tend to simply stop trying to score if
a. They are in the lead – and the amount varies by coach
b. and they feel that they can score once more if they need to.
At the point, their entire function is aimed at reducing the number of drives that the other team gets and to score, then maintaining the lead. I know that infuriates fans, but there’s often a good reason. Whether or not this is done is a judgment call based in many factors, too numerous to cover here. .
Here’s how it applies – very few coaches will bother scoring a batch of points if they play a certain type of game. Pitt, for example, is very physical and it works (Doesn’t hurt that Tomlin is smart and LeBeau is a genius) They have spent decades perfecting "Pittsburgh football’. Many teams have a certain approach. Pitt wins big because they overpower teams. They are incredibly well constructed and it too a long time to perfect.
McD’s is based in NE, but he’s adapted it to the players that he has. His gameplan is to control the clock with short passes and a good running game, much like Walsh and Belichick have done in their own ways. The other ingredients are a smart, tough defense and a good ST game, which we still lack. But since he’s had the team for less than 1 year, it only makes sense that the job isn’t done. In Pitt, Tomlin inherited a good team. McD inherited a mess.
So, like almost any coach, he’s taking any win he can get. As a fan, I love a big win. As a fan who loves to study the game, I know that few coaches bother with that. As long as they’re up by 1 when the gun sounds, it still will go into the good column, and they won’t worry about anything else but moving on to the next week.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 6:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Your insight is only exceeded by your patience.
by warmick on Nov 13, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
I appreciate you letting me know what you had in mind – I’d misunderstood
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Trap Game
I keep seeing the Redskins as a potential trap games. 2 tough blowout losses to physical AFC North teams ,then facing the #1 ranked pass defense in their place the week before Denver has an AFC West showdown against San Diego and the short week
against the physical Giants.
No doubt about it, the 2-6 Redskins represent the worst team record wise in this 5 week stretch.However my fear is that Denver has difficulty getting the running game going with their OL woes and Orton will not have time to pass and more of the dink and dunk.Defensively Denver has shown some holes,Roethlisberger had all day to pass on Sunday even when he was sacked and Champ had his worst game of the year.At times when the blitz didnt get to Ben Denvers defense looked old,which they are.
Denver needs to ignore the upcoming challenges with the Chargers and the Giants and not overlook the Redskins or we could be witness to an upset on Sunday.
by OrangeCrush4082 on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about their NT
He’s a stud and presents the same problems we had with Hampton and Ngata
by _Atwater27 on Nov 12, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Mr. Smith
I think you could be onto something with the take on Hamilton. I also think he might have lost some aggressiveness. I mean, you suffer brain damage induced by a workplace activity, you might try to get your job done without further inducing damage in the future i.e. not attacking the D-Line as much. Nalen last year, Hamilton this year. Hard to lose such great Denver Broncos.
I don’t think Casey is falling apart, I think Interior OL work together and therefore, can make each other look bad. I think Ben might have a little to do with Casey looking bad. Kuper’s high ankle sprain may not be completely healed yet, but he looked better last game.
Quick quote:
"A 1994 study of 7,000 former players by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health found linemen had a 52 percent greater risk of dying from heart disease than the general population. While U.S. life expectancy is 77.6 years, recent studies suggest the average for NFL players is 55, 52 for linemen."
Not brain related but the overall the life expectancy is very low.
by _Atwater27 on Nov 12, 2009 12:45 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Mastercard
Game worn jersey = $450
tickets on the 50 = $250
Broncobear = Priceless
Thanks doc.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Nov 12, 2009 12:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
firstfan!
Where have you been, my favorite voice of reason? I’ve missed you!
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
still here
simply maintaining a low profile. I am very happy with this team.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Nov 12, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
every kiss begins with coors light
… at least that was most likely in my college days. for all your football savy, mr. smith, i liked that little piece of writing best. very funny. make sure you copyright the idea—beer commercials are so bad they’ll steal it right out from under you…
“when you want to make out without feeling bloaty.” — miller lite
“regrets? maybe. but at 1/3 less calories than other beers.” — coors light
great stuff, doc!…
by oxmouth on Nov 12, 2009 1:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I go with Tulips!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never had roses tossed back in my face, either ;-)
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh gosh, then you just haven't LIVED! ;-)
For what it’s worth…I’ve received jewelry in the past, and not given a kiss in return…it all really just depends on the person. In that case, it was an ex-husband hoping to rekindle something that I had long moved on from.
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 12, 2009 4:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 7:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's TWO LIPS!
I guess I hit enter prematurely.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Doc.
I, like many others here, greatly look forward to reading your stuff. You’ve been able to talk me in off the ledge many times.
Sounds like you’re feeling better these days?
Phyllis? Phyllis? Are you there? I can't hear you anymore.
by pubkeeper on Nov 12, 2009 1:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Up and down,
But with some help – mostly TJ and Doug – I’m able to do a little more and I enjoy it. Thanks, my friend!
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 1:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear it.
Like I said, it’s good to have you around here.
Phyllis? Phyllis? Are you there? I can't hear you anymore.
by pubkeeper on Nov 12, 2009 1:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And great to be here, thanks
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff again Dr. Smith
I’m going to however, call for caution in assessing Ben Hamilton. We really have no idea how well or not his head is working. I think it’s just as likely that being one of the smallest guys on the line, he may have simply worn down (Father Time and lots of wear) or may in fact have some physical problem that we’re not aware of. He and Weigman (sp?) are the two ZB guys or the guys that benefit most from that blocking scheme. Combine age with change of scheme and I think we should expect that these guys will be most vulnerable. Of course, power blocking plays may result in more head trauma, etc. and so there may be a component, but I really hate to see this kind of speculation. I know concussions are no joke – I’ve suffered a couple playing ball and I don’t quite understand why guys like Hamilton and Stokely keep taking that risk, but we don’t really know anything.
Your comments on timing patterns are right on. But it goes even further than that – McD’s offense is so complicated because it relies on the QB and receiver to be on the same page regarding route options and then there’s timing on top of that.
On Jack Williams, he was beaten out by Bell last year, but that was last year. I thought he’d made some significant strides this year, but can only conclude that the coaching staff concluded that they’d seen the peak of his upside – I’m still a little uncomfortable with that one.
Once again, many thanks for your work! Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Nov 12, 2009 1:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Re Hamilton
Sure. In fact, I said exactly the same in the article – I’m not diagnosing. The situation is concurrent with regards to time, nothing more. Sometimes players just lose it and we don’t know why.
I did use this as a chance to get in a little head trauma education, though. The uncomfortable fact is that the NFL has delibrately obfuscated the circumstance and that’s been, as a fan and a doc, a travesty.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good move on the head trauma topic raising
I’m in complete agreement with your views here and also believe the NFL should be at the forefront of sponsored research on the topic (perhaps in collaboration with the military) as well as at the forefront of research on equipment improvements. I only brought up my concerns because while Ben didn’t quite perform at the same level last year as he’d performed prior to the year off for concussion issues, I think the drop-off has been more extreme this year with the new scheme. Thanks again!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Nov 12, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually having the NFL sponsor the research is a terrible idea.
The research needs to be completely independent of the NFL which has biased previous studies and denigrated those that are independent. Their current stance of sponsoring a three year so-called definitive study of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is filled with bias and will unfortunately only allow them to further postpone real change to protect players now and in the future. Traumatic brain injury in the military is a whole different disease state and problem that is actually being addressed by the appropriate medical societies. I think you want change for player safety which I applaud, but don’t think the NFL is interested in being transparent about this problem.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 4:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right Doc
I do biomedical research for a living and I’m certainly not advocating anything like the Tobacco Institute. I was instead being very idealistic (or perhaps naive) in suggesting that the NFL, having deep pockets, put up the money and then step away and let a truly independent scientific advisory board administer the program. Otherwise, I don’t know where the funding is going come from. The military phenotype may indeed be different – I was simply looking for collaboration where there was intersection. Thanks for your feedback!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Nov 13, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Donkhead!
We are in agreement. More study needs to be done, but I fear the NFL has too much at stake to be forthcoming with the truth.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that the truth?
This is a tough one. My own recommendation is that the NFLPA and the owners put up 1/2 the funds each for the independent studies needed (universities are a good source) and for the players’ healthcare. I see this smaller issue as a microcosm of the biggest problem with the NFL – the fact that players are under too much pressure to play with injuries that will harm their quality of life once they retire. The retirement healthcare is underfunded and the players also have to contend with docs, some of whom appear to be bought and paid for by the team (others, I’m sure, are not).
Healthcare has to be independent of the team in order to be safe and effective for the players. That’s a huge issue, and fixing it isn’t without costs and problems. Both sides need to man up on it – which usually means that neither will, sad to say.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A toast to you Dr Bear
I too thought Jack Williams had made good strides on defense in the “nickel package”.. until the Baltimore game were he was continually beaten by a more physical receiver in the person of Kelley Washington (6’3", 215lbs). Washington ended up with 4 catches for 58 yards in the game. I think Nolan and McDaniel saw the same game plan coming in the Pittsburgh game (Ward or Wallace), and the SD game (Floyd or V Jackson) etc. So the alternative was to bring in an experienced DB in Ty Law. Even with the downside of Ty Law being at the end of his football career, he is a great one on one cover guy and with his years of experience McD knew that he would be able to use this experience in going against a more physical receiver.
Bear, thanks for your clarity of thoughts and simple writing style – what a Blessing you are to all of us.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Gee Doc, I always appreciate your work, and look forward every week, for
your take on our beloved Broncos, the rest of the league, and the world at large.
You never disappoint, you always bring a laugh, and I always walk away with better
knowledge of the game, and feel better for it.
That said, your take on commercials, really makes my day. One of my first dates
( wow the sixties ) told me as long as my car had a radio and a heater….well, thats
all I needed.
Now that I have dated myself again. The issue that you brought up, and what seems
to be for lack of a better word " Fickeled Fandom ", or Bandwagoning. I have only
one thing to say…. Do you remember the first Bronco Super Bowl of John Elways.
We lost, but we still had so much love and respect for Our team, we gave them the
ticker tape parade in downtown Denver. As I remember their wasn’t a dry eye on
the team… Wow memories…
Go Broncos
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Nov 12, 2009 2:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well, Mr. Smith
You summed up all the recent mutterings, but I am interested in your (and the other Medical savvy members) opinion on Clinton Portis’ head injury. He lost consciousness on a play in the 2nd quarter of last weeks game against the Falcons. three days later, he still cannot recall the play he was injured on. I would say it is “Extremely” doubtful that he will play this week, but I wonder what kind of recovery time there is on something like that if he is considering playing as soon as possible. I know there is a set of tests that players in the NHL must pass before they are allowed to play. Does the NFL have any qualifying agenda in these cases?
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 2:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The NFL has no policy and leaves it up to each team and the team physicians when a player can return.
This is a subject for a post of its own, but current neurologic understanding of acute head injuries is advancing almost weekly. There are neurologic tests that can help assess a patient’s progress in recovery, but much of the assessment is based on self-reported symptoms which players are pressured to underestimate to return to play more quickly. Serious concussions beget more fragile brains which concuss more easily with less trauma in the near future. Loss of consciousness is a serious injury. In boxing, a technical or actual knockout results in a loss of your boxing license for 6 months mandatory. How is it that we have such loose protection in the NFL?
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to all who replied.
I agree Ponderosa, this could probably make up at least one or two posts. Especially because it is an ongoing situation and the Medical field does not stop researching.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 12, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Portis
I would hold him out, encourage lots of testing and worry like hell about him when and if he plays, much, much later. If he can’t recall the play (many of these guys cannot) days later, he’s got a pretty severe concussion. He needs to stop playing, stop working out (increasing the blood pressure can aggravate the condition), and get a lot of therapy. One of the best treatments is tons of rest, quiet surroundings and loving support from those in your family and group of friends. Any forms of mental, physical or emotional stress is to be avoided.
This is a great example of something our culture regales against – the importance of time and patience. Nothing else will do, and anything else will have consequences.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 3:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
My accident happened 8 years ago...
…and I still can’t recall anything from about 1/2 hour before…not even the slightest vapor of rudimentary recall. I was at 6th and Alameda— then my throat hurt really bad from the tubes and I was aware of the beeps of my various monitors…16 hours later. No pain, no recall…just nothing.
Getting your egg scambled is a whacked out thing.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa! 6th and Alameda?
If you’re talking Denver the two streets are parallel.
He felt like the man that drew the first circle. Simple, and perfect.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan
by bradley on Nov 12, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Havana…I have always said that, even when I lived there. 6th and Havana…or however its spelled.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
8 years later and you still confuse the streets.
This is what we’re talking about!
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 4:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree.
Do not underestimate the seriousness of such an injury.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 12, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Doc on this one
The Redskins are going nowhere this year and so patience should be a premium. Here’s hoping he takes the rest of the year off and then is in a position to intelligently assess his future in professional football in the offseason.
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Emmett, you covered a lot of interesting points
I’ll just respond now to the one about concussions. As much as I like watching football, I periodically turn away and have to stop watching because of the horrible injuries. I never watch the replays of injuries. I played contact sports in high school and a little in college, but had to quit because of being injured. There was, however, a glorious feeling that came from the rough and tumble of a game and the strains and bruises actually felt good. Where that comes from I don’t know.
But, how far should we take the violence of the game? In Roman times the “games” were played with death as the outcome for losing. It was even considered proper training for the children of Roman nobles to witness death in the arena ( they would have loved instant replay). In our own culture now, sports (the “games”) are considered proper training for young people to prepare them for life. Are we intrinsically different than the Romans in our approach with sports or are they just a toned down version of the same thing?
Just another guy...on the lost highway.
by oncobronco on Nov 12, 2009 4:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
I wonder about that myself. There are things that I don’t watch boxing and MMA, for example because I’m too aware of the damage that they’re doing.
I think that I’d support a couple of rule changes – stop using the helmet, period and work on much better protective gear, for two. The new helmets are a move in the right direction – my own feeling is that they should be mandatory.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 4:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
ok
yeah if we lose i will be worryed but we are looking at 11-5 12-4 and a likey 1 round with SD at home
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 12, 2009 6:04 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking jman. Nothing says "The AFC West is ours" like putting a smackdown on SD in the playoffs.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 12, 2009 6:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Or even better putting the smackdown on
them in the next regular season game with them. That oughta settle it as much as anything.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 12, 2009 6:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 12, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Anytime any of us wants to worry about Broncos OL
just watch the Bears’ or Niners’ and then you’ll feel better. ;-)
Btw that was weird that there was no sound for the announcers for the start of this game on NFLN. It was like being at the game, except without the drunks.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 12, 2009 6:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
watching...
and more than the line play is the red zone INT i just saw. guess who.
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by denver_diaspora on Nov 12, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a thread to discuss Cutler and the Bears! It is cheering me up after Monday night
by keeperbearUK on Nov 12, 2009 7:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Make the thread. Put it up. I'll be there.
I’m watching too.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Nov 12, 2009 7:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And now pick #3!
LOL. Good ol’ Jay. Good yards and comp percentage, mixed with lotsa picks and red zone fail. Enjoy it, Bears fans!
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 12, 2009 8:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Clinton Portis is out with a concussion
So at least the skins won’t have their top RB (I think we will win either way though) My prediction is the Broncos 20-0
by Whosbob89 on Nov 12, 2009 7:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don;t know. Something feels funny about that game. I'm just afraid the WAS
media craze about how bad they suck is going to make us soft.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Nov 12, 2009 7:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My saving grace is that I don't believe McD will let them be underprepared, and
I do think DEN is the better team.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Nov 12, 2009 7:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Portis out: not necessarily a good thing for Broncs
Actually Ladell Betts is a better runner at this point than is CP, and seems to catch screens and swing passes with greater regularity. Portis has always been practice-averse, and time is starting to siphon off his God-given talent.
by DCbroncfan on Nov 13, 2009 4:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey what has been with our ugly endzones this year?
I’m just wondering why its just a bunch of white and non-colored diamonds……..does anyone know the answer????
by Whosbob89 on Nov 12, 2009 7:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
They are the ones that were used over the past 50 years
I agree – many are pretty ugly, but they’re living history as well
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yes they are very ugly
I would rather see a mustard and brown endzone lol
by Whosbob89 on Nov 12, 2009 8:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My breakout game guess this week will be......
Eddie Royal: Because he is versing DeAngelo Hall, remember Hall when he was with the Raiders week 1 last year…..lets just say eddie took out the shredder
DOOM!: Washington’s offense is abismal (Jason Campbell is just not comfortable with his O line or his WR’s it seems….it won’t take much to get him jumpy and making bad decisions) therefore there will probably be a lot of picks and, or a lot of coverage sacks…..hence DOOM! comes in
Any other thoughts would be appreciated
by Whosbob89 on Nov 12, 2009 8:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Cutler..4 interceptions tonight. I'll take Orton.
by BroncoCUbuffs on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
one of the best thursdays nights in a long time!
Glad to see Cutler showing the world that MC Daniels and Management made the right move!
So glad we have Orton
"Iron sharpens Iron."
My favorite teams are:
Broncos
and anyone playing against Da Bears!
by vdisciple on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well, all I will say
is that Thursday night changed the dialogue on the question of which QB we’d rather have. Love Orton or hate him, he hasn’t launched 20 turnovers on us. His red zone numbers were better last season and they’re better this one, too. I wish the Bears fans well, and I also wish I had an aspirin stand in the Loop. There’s gonna be a lot of hangovers tomorrow.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Doc
What an amazing post. I wonder if the Broncos’ running game is suffering because the O- line is trying to learn a new blocking scheme; and that’s putting the passing game in an untenable position. I find myself hoping that Mr. Moreno isn’t the bust he’s looked like in the last two games. I watched the way the Bengals ran against the Ravens and felt a little sick at my stomach. I have ADHD, can you tell? Anyway, my main point is patience. The offense is obviously not where any of us would like it to be, but the line is where it all begins, and I have hopes they will come together as the season goes on.
by 42n81 on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Jay Cutler is not the answer for the Bears
Orton threw three picks the other night but it isn’t all him. The Broncos had a number of issues, and were overpowered by better teams.
Cutler looked to me like the same guy who was here. Lots of talent and ability but poor decision making. One of those picks was not his fault, and its not the one you’re thinking of. Had Hester not slipped that looked like a pick anyway.
Cutler needs some coaching and discipline, and until he accepts that he’ll always be mediocre.
Orton just needs more consistent play from his offensive line and a running game (and they go hand in hand). He actually played pretty well in the first half Sunday when he had protection and the Steelers were under the impression we could run.
Let’s hope the Broncos shore things up in DC. I am still a little sore at Jay but I like the Bears and Lovie Smith. I wish them well.
In the mean time, we have the beginnings of a decent team here in Little D. Keeping my fingers crossed for a win against the Skins.
GO BRONCOS
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
with all you say. (I still would give Cutler the benefit of the doubt on at least one of those picks, the one he was complaining to the ref about, he had a legit beef that his receiver was bumped before the DB picked it off) And I’ll also defend him only to say their OL has been bad and their running game has been mostly bad (and their receivers are also bad; imagine what he’d do with the Broncos much more gifted receiving corps?) BUT all that said he is playing very undisciplined, looking to blame everyone but himself, making some dumb throws and generally making me not miss him.
I have nothing against the Bears overall but sure wouldn’t mind getting a high draft pick from them in 2010!
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 13, 2009 12:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks - good comments, 42n81
I wonder if the Broncos’ running game is suffering because the O- line is trying to learn a new blocking scheme; and that’s putting the passing game in an untenable position.
It’s hard to say what’s the total issue, but I think that the changeover to a scheme more heavily into gap and power blocking is one issue. Age, perhaps injury with Hamilton, perhaps age with Wiegmann, injury with Harris. It’s complicated, but I think that you’ve pretty much hit on it.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
you know what gets me about most of these bolgs?
I get tired of hearing this phrase trolling being thrown around. Why cant I go to another teams blog and do some good natured trash talking? Isnt that part of sports? Just because someone doesn’t like what you may have to say your some kind of mean spirited blogger. He must be banned for bad mouthing our team! Its not grade school, I believe most people are adults who post.
I know I trash talk with my friends about their favorite teams, that dont ban me from speaking anymore. Heck, my wife tells me my team sucks (Broncos) and that I should pick a good team for a change.
I just dont get it…..
"Iron sharpens Iron."
My favorite teams are:
Broncos
and anyone playing against Da Bears!
by vdisciple on Nov 12, 2009 10:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's what makes MHR different from the DP or ESPN comment sections.
If you wanna talk trash, you can go over there and get more than your fair share.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i think there is one significant difference between trash talking with your brother and trash talking online....
here, we dont have to face each other. its all 12 size times new roman. we all are on a level playing field here, (except raiders fans, who sit on no playing field at all, unless its outdoor time at county lock up) so the rules of engagement change.
when i talk crap to my brother about the oakland A’s (dont ask me. i have tried…) i face the retribution of a fist, or facing him at thanksgiving dinner or… you get my point.
it seems the nature of trash talking is to assert dominion, to let the other guy (or girl) know (s)he’s an idiot for rooting for his team. in my opinion, online, it just comes across as a weak or cowardly thing to do, to puff your chest and talk trash. for whatever reason, being classy, honest, well spoken, and use proper english and good grammar is the currency on most blogs. the minute you use these kinds of forums to belittle someone, you’ve lost all authority.
all that said, i have on occasion gone over and rec’d all the negative comments on the bears blog, just to stir the pot.
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by denver_diaspora on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well spoken, Doc. This was a great piece. Rec'd!
I haven’t had a chance to read everyone’s comments, but those that I have have been excellent. I have a lot of regard for Ben Hamilton in what he is going thru right now. I played OC, OG, DL & LB on an 8 man team in HS. I had headaches my sophomore year, nothing my junior year when I played quite a lot, but in my senior year the headaches returned. My head would explode when I was hit or vice versa. I did not get the opinion of a physician but when I found that I was losing my memory, I ended my football career in mid-season. I had to deal with all the garbage from the local peanut gallery, but it was the right thing for me at the time. I am very happy with that decision now as I see that I could have been severely injured. It took me almost 7 years to gain my full memory back. Thanks again, Doc.
I think that it does a team some good to get whacked and have to battle back from adversity. In 1997, when our guys won their 1st SB under Shanahan, they had to do it from a Wildcard position. That meant winning on the road. Gut check time. They came thru better for that experience.
by Blackknigh on Nov 13, 2009 2:50 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

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