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MHR Chalk Talk - Some Thoughts Before The Broncos Face the Redskins at Midseason ('09)

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I'd like to breakdown the upcoming game against the Redskins, but I want to put in my two cents worth on the state of the team as well.

Let's start with the fan base.  That's right, let's start with the fans.  Home field has several reasons for being advantageous, including elevation (Denver), facilities, rest, and N-O-I-S-E.  I was disgusted at the number of Terrible Towels in the stands during the last game - a clear indication that many Denver fans had sold their tickets to the enemy.  With a 6-1 team, does that really make sense?  I won't buy the economy as an excuse, since the PIT fans buying the tickets are likely no better off than the Denver fans (and have to add in the cost of travel in many cases).

By the way, factoring in tie breaks, are you aware that the Denver Broncos are #2 in the AFC right now?  We are ahead of CIN and NE (we beat those 6-2 teams head-to-head) and are ahead of PIT (they aren't first in their division and we have the better conference record).  Before jumping off the bandwagon, realize that if the playoffs were today, we would have 2nd seed and a first-round bye.

Star-divide

Dr. Smith wrote in yesterday's front page article at MHR about the bandwagon fans.  At the start of the season, they run away in fear because of a poor preseason, a new coach and a new QB.  Then the team wins 6 straight, including games against current contenders DAL, NE, and CIN (to name a few).  Those bandwagon fans come back, only to start crying when the team drops one or two games.  Both of those games were against good teams (including the current champions), and one was on the road.  Like our good doctor points out, those fans will want to hop back on when or if we start winning again.

That's not fandom.  When I was in the army many decades ago, I didn't want a guy next to me that was going to quit if the going got tough.  I wanted to be surrounded by men that would work together under the worst of circumstances.  When I was coaching, I could understand losing, but not quitting.  In law enforcement, I expect my peers to "have my back" just like I'll have theirs.

Does that mean I won't have complaints?  Not at all.  But there's a way to go about it.  For example, I couldn't stand my 1st Sgt. in the army.  Hated the guy.  My comrades and I spent a lot of time griping about what a tyrant he was.  But he was OUR 1st Sgt, and we didn't put up with someone from another unit bad mouthing him.  I have issues with some of the things I see with our team this year, but I support our coach and our players 100%.  I'll discuss some of those issues after the jump, but you'll notice the tone of respect I have for our team, even in disagreement.

 

Team Issues at Midseason

 

The Fans

The fans are the first issue.  The team and the front office have done their jobs.  Halfway through the season and this team is 6-2 with a lead in the AFC West.  Fans should be proud at this point.  I pegged our team as improved going into the season, but only with an 8-8 record.  In my own view, the team has surpassed expectations.

But what kind of idiot fans do we have that boo our own QB during the preseason?  Okay, let that one go.  How about this: what kind of fans sell their tickets to the opposing fans for a Monday Night game after a 6-1 start?  Did it affect the crowd noise?  I don't know for sure.  But it DID affect morale.  At least one of our players commented on it after the game, wondering what had happened to our fans.

Do you believe in the Broncos, but only when they are winning?  If you answered yes to that question, then you don't believe.  I may have mixed grades on the team right now, but they are outperforming the fans by a mile.  Frankly, I'm disgusted at some of the attitudes I hear and read about.  Thankfully, MHR remains a positive place where the vast majority of fans love their team, whether they agree with everything or not.  But those missing ticket holders, and many of the "fans" in some of the old media message boards just don't get it.

Well, here's where I stand.  Denver is my team, whether they are 16-0 or 0-16.  They always will be my team.  It doesn't matter who the coach or the QB is, and the record doesn't matter either.  This is my team.  I hope that they are your team too, in good times and in bad.

 

The Running Game

We are 18th in the NFL right now in running the ball.  That's not very good.  In our last two games, we couldn't even total 100 yards altogether.  Why is this?

Here's my respectful opinion.  We have a great OL coach and a great RBs coach.  We are a team known for 1,000-yard rushers, regardless of the player.  And why?  Because of the commitment to plugging in one-cut runners behind a zone-blocking scheme.  At the start of the season, I was pleased to see a lot of zone blocking.  As the season has worn on, I've seen less of it.  In fact, we are trying to use more of a "power running" gap block scheme.  I don't like this move.

Denver doesn't have to be a zone-block team forever.  If a coach comes in and wants to change things, it is his prerogative.  But for now, we still have offensive linemen that are built to zone block (smaller, athletic, agile) and not to gap block (we call standard blocking "gap blocking").  If we are going to transition, can't we at least keep the ZB while the current people are in place?  I would rather keep the zone block, but if we don't, let's phase in the other scheme.

Before we jump all over the head coach, let's consider why he might be abandoning the ZB so quickly.  There is a school of thought that the best way to make a scheme transition is by immersion (instead of phasing in the changes).  The thinking is that the team suffers in the short term, but when the final personnel are in place, the change is quicker and more efficient.

This is a two-sided argument, and I respect both sides.  In our case, I would rather make the switch slowly, since any new linemen are going to likely be used to gap blocking anyway, so there's no need for a major adjustment period.  The counter is that we won't turn over the entire line in one season, anyway.  So perhaps we are sacrificing a little bit this season for a stronger run in 2010.

For me, it is all really a moot point.  I'm a big fan of the zone block, and would rather not change it at all, whether incrementally or suddenly.

 

The Passing Game

Kyle Orton has hovered in the low 100s and mid-90s with his QB rating this year.  After two very rough games, his rating has fallen to 88.2.

As a team, we are ranked 16th in the League.  Not very good.  Let's face the facts, and see where we stand with Orton.

First, I like a lot about Kyle.  He is a good leader, and the players respect him.  He has a good personality, and shows a lot of maturity and poise when he addresses the public.  With the exception of this last game, he has proven that he protects the ball.  I've seen some very fast passes, including some where Kyle threaded the needle.  And despite reports to the contrary, I've seen some good midfield and long passes.

The problem is that Kyle isn't tearing apart defenses, and this is either a product of Kyle's abilities or play calling.  Let's look at how good Kyle is.

First, Kyle's QB rating last year was 79.6.  This year, Kyle has been well above that mark, but is at least at 88.2 for now.  That's improvement.  Second, Kyle was sacked behind a poor Bears' O-Line 27 times last year.  At the halfway mark, Kyle has already taken 13 sacks in Denver.  Kyle's completion percentage was 58.5 last year, and this year it is 63.2.  Kyle is halfway to his TD total last year (9 this year, 18 last year).  He is well behind being on track for INTs (12 last year, only 4 so far this year).  My point is that Orton is young (only 27 tomorrow) and continues to improve.  That's what I like to see.

Kyle is improving.  He's better than he was last year.  But is he better than what we had last year?

Let's take a look:

                        RTG                  TD                           INT                               YDS                     comp%              wins

Orton             88.2                   9                             4                                  1,838                   63.2                     6

Cutler            83.8                   14                           12                                2,046                   63.6                     4

Here is how I see these numbers.  First, the rating takes everything into account (TDs, INTs, etc).  Orton wins here.  Then I look at completion percentage, which is roughly even.  In my mind, the higher win rate that Orton has is because of less turnovers.  Denver has won some tight games, and the lack of INTs made the difference.  Jay Cutler will win some games, but he will lose some games, too.

Yards (as we learned last year) don't mean a lot if the team can't score.  Cutler put up a very impressive 369 yards against the Cardinals, only to fall short 41-21.

But where we have regressed is in yards and TDs.  This needs to change.  But how?  We can't change the players we have (this year), but we can change how they are used.  Let me explain.

Take Tony Scheffler.  The "Patriot Way" is not a system that favors throwing to TEs.  That's fine.  There are advantages and disadvatages to every system, and NE has had their share of success.  However, perhaps our coaches should consider a few things, starting with Scheffler.

When we got him the ball against SD, Tony had 6 receptions for over 100 yards and a TD.  One of those receptions was for over 50 yards.  Against PIT, he got the ball only one time, for only 6 yards.  This would be understandable if we feared the coverage by Troy Polumalu (PIT SS), but then the deep field could have been cleared for Marshall and Royal, right?

I wrote about this last week, too.  Eddie Royal is the kind of guy who is dangerous when he catches the ball in mid-stride.  If he is full speed with the ball, he is hard to catch and very agile.  But we throw a lot of short routes to him, few of which play to his strengths.  We can play hitches, posts, and curls all day long, and Eddie will catch them and take the tackle.  But a slant would play more to his natural abilities.

And then there's Brandon Marshall.  He's a big guy, and the short stuff we throw to him is perfect.  Brandon can make the catch, and then knock over the nearest defender.  As he showed against Dallas, he can also put on a few moves.

Am I being critical of the schemes?  Sort of.  I'm not going to claim to be a pro-level coach, and the Broncos coaching department would be foolish to hire me.  But all I can do is write what I'm seeing, and what I seeing seems to indicate that we could do a few things a little differently.

If we are getting gutted by the middle pass rush of teams like BAL and PIT, why not keep a RB in to block the interior and use the TE as the safety valve?

 

There are Offenses, and then There are Offenses

I'm a defense guy; I always have been.  But one thing I've noticed is that there are several levels of offenses.  First, there are the terrible offenses.  These are the offenses that self destruct, and a good defensive coordinator doesn't interfere with any fancy plans of his own.  "Don't interfere with another team's self-destruction" was one of my old HC's sayings.

Some offenses are just plain bad, or even average.  You deal with those.  And then there are good offenses.

Good offenses win games, and don't lose games.  You have to spend a lot of work bringing down a good offense.  Perhaps my favorite quote from my old HC boss was "Hard work beats Talent when Talent doesn't work hard".

But there is another level of offense, and this is what I call "dominating".  Few teams win SBs without a dominating offense.  Guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger can run up points on most teams.  Those are the teams to watch out for.

Here's the problem.  The Denver offense finds ways to win, and that's great for the regular season.  We have a reasonable shot at the playoffs right now, as I wrote in the introduction (2nd in the AFC currently).  But we lack a dominant offense.  Teams don't fear our short-yardage running game.  They respect our receivers, but they can afford to bring the safeties forward a bit because they know we will screen and hitch all day long.  This, in turn, hurts our running game.  (Of course, the lack of a solid running game hurts the pass, too).

Denver needs points.  We can move the ball, but we can't strike quickly.  If we want to push back safeties, we'll need to challenge the deep field more.  We've seen Orton throw deep, just not enough.  If we want to stop the pass rushes, we need to sell the running game.  Teams have seen what we've been doing, and they've adjusted.  Now its our turn to adjust.  Will the "Amoeba" system allow us the adaptability that it is known for?

 

Defense

I'm very, very happy with our defense.  While our offense is in the bottom half of the League in every major category, our defense is in the top ten.

Points allowed?  3rd.  Yards allowed?  3rd.  Pass yards allowed?  7th.  Rush yards allowed?  8th.

We have an excellent DC, and he has head coaching experience.  He knows what he is doing, and I feel that he will make adjustments as needed.  Do I have any concerns?

Well...  About this Ty Law guy.  Don't get me wrong.  I've heard and read the arguments for bringing him in, and I'm on board.  That's out of the way.  In the first game he had one tackle.  I don't know how many passes he broke up, and have no other stats available.  But I was bothered to see him out of place so much, and saw other players trying to line him up.  This is understandable, since the guy was only unretired for a day or two before playing the game.  But still, with a 6-1 record, do we really want to rush in the guy when another player (even a lesser player) that knows that playbook is available?  Every time I saw Ty looking around I cringed.  He looked terribly lost out there.

But that's a minor issue.  Ty should be good for the Washington game, and even better beyond that.

That reminds me, we have a game against Washington!

 

Denver at Washington

I'm going to abbreviate my thoughts on this game, having spent so much time talking about our team as a whole.  Here are the highlights to watch for in matching up these teams.

1)  The WAS O-Line gives up an awful lot of sacks.  Denver has done a good job against some great OLs this year.  Oh, and the WAS O-Line is riddled with injuries.  Doom should have a great day.

2)  Star RB Clinton Portis is out, Ladell Betts didn't practice at the time of this writing.  WAS's run game is in trouble.

3)  Watch out for Albert Haynesworth (DT).  He's been doing a fantastic job on the interior of the WAS D-Line, and will be a danger to our running game.  He isn't as much of a pass rusher, but has to be accounted for.

4)  WAS ranks 20th or worse in each of the four major offensive categories.  I expect our defense to have a big day.

5)  The WAS defense is strange.  They are the best pass-stopping team in the NFL, but only 25th against the run.  Albert Haynesworth can't do it all by himself.

6)  Washington is a team full of injuries and controversy.  Recently they had the on field (well, "sideline") scuffle with the Falcons.  There is also controversy about how good (or bad) Coach Zorn is.  The owner spends a lot of money on big names, but doesn't seem to put together a good "team".  The record is 2-6.  This can't be a happy locker room.  Imagine being a team that is 2-6, sharing a division with teams that are 6-2, 5-2, and 5-4.  Almost as bad as the Raiders (who are at least ahead of KC).

The bottom line is that this is a game tailor made for the Broncos to win.  They need to win, but a big win would be good for morale.  Denver has dropped two games, and the doubters are rearing their ugly heads.  A big win won't satisfy a bandwagon fan; nothing will.  But it could send a message to the rest of the League.  Denver isn't back; they never left.  They're still one of the top teams in the AFC, and they have the time to make the adjustments necessary to stay there.

This is the time to send a message, before the hungry Chargers and the angry Giants come to town in the next two weeks.

What are your thoughts?

[Updates from the author]

1 - Word is out now that Betts WILL start at RB against the Broncos, despite an injured ankle and not practicing most of the week.  This would seem to portend serious problems for the Redskins rushing offense.

2 - Jeff Legwold writes in the DP that the Broncos are still using some zone blocking in their run-block schemes, which is true.  When I read his article I saw the title "Q&A: Broncos still use zone-blocking schemes", which made me do a double take.  "No we're not!" I thought to myself.  However, the article makes clear that we still run some zone blocking.  My contention remains that Denver continues to set aside the zone block, and that the running game seems to be having a rough time because of it.  Jeff's first paragraph is more accurate than the title some editor attached to his story (emphasis mine):

John, it would be a misconception to say the Broncos have totally abandoned their zone-blocking scheme of the past. They still use some zone concepts at times in their running game, but they have more situations where they are man-on-man up front in some run situations.

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Thanks Teach

It is always a privilege to learn in your classroom!

by Endzone on Nov 13, 2009 11:50 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Its a privilege to have you here!

Thank you so much

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Breakfast with the Broncos (in Denver atleast)

I think this is the time for the 2009 Broncos to bury the losing myths of the Shanahan era. The first being that the Broncos struggle in early game time slots. This teams needs to perform well starting with Washington. They have three more games this season with early time slots and two are at Indy & Philly. The other myth is that they can not win in Kansas City in December (and an early start time). The Broncos can take care of both those myths with a victory on December 6th.

Professor – thanks again for your insight and qualified opinions on the Broncos.

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on Nov 13, 2009 11:57 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed that these are myths...

…and should be put to rest.

KC and WAS should be wins. IND will be tough, but at least their secondary is banged up. If our defense can be solid, we have a decent chance there.

PHI is tough to read. My gut says it will be a tough game.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 12:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't know what to do with Philly

They lose to Oakland, but beat the Giants (who, admittedly, look extremely vulnerable). I think if we can get our O to look the way it did against the Pats, then we will take that game.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 13, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Philly is a very good team...

…that got tripped up by OAK. It can happen to any team.

I look at the PHI game as one of our tougher games left (along with IND, NYGs, and SD)

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Except for the last two games...

..we haven’t done too badly. I would like to see us “dominate”, but we aren’t there yet. Still, for a team that is supposed to be rebuilding with a new coach, new coordinators, and many new players, we are doing very well.

My goal for this year was improvement and at least an 8-8 record. I think we’ll have met that goal shortly. The next two to three years will be facinating. We’ll face much turnover with our defensive backs, and the threat of an uncapped year will make things exciting as well.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Defense of Bronco Fans

I would not be too harsh on Bronco fans selling their tickets to Steeler fans. Steeler fans have had this game circled since the schedules were announced. I would bet that most all of the tickets were bought before the season when there were many doubters amongst the fandom (Fueled by MSM). If someone had doubts about he season, wouldn’t they want to sell their tickets for the most money? Of course.

by ocbroncomaniac on Nov 13, 2009 12:53 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

And I wouldn't blanket every fan. Fair enough.

Still, for so darned many fans to have sold those tickets….

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I was at the Cowboys game. There were a lot of Cowbiys fans there, but the close game and win kept them under wraps. The disasterous 4th quarter against the Steelers only made the terrible towels more obnoxious.

by ocbroncomaniac on Nov 13, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If you sell your tickets via the Internet, do you even know who you’re selling them to? That is, would a Bronco fan who sells his ticket know it’s going to a Steeler fan?

He felt like the man that drew the first circle. Simple, and perfect.

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by bradley on Nov 14, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be.....pisses me off ....

Many of us would give our left testicle to go support OUR team and they are using their tickets as a revenue generator…..to the opposition.
Its been lame, is lame and will be lame……and they all need a dead fish slapped across their collective chops…..

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by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did someone mention fish?

;>)

" May the bandwagon jumpers bark their shins!"

by hairybear on Nov 13, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Steve!

Many of your comments match my own thoughts.. particularly the ZB, or rather, the lack of it. After some consideration, I believe that the overall OL performance is lacking and that this week’s shakeup may help in that regard.

I can’t believe that the efficient football machine of the first 6 games has gone away, they just missed a couple of games and will be back this Sunday.

Thanks, Steve.. and rec’d.

Go Broncos!

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Nov 13, 2009 1:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

While the OL is doing poorly...

…I’m glad to see our coaching staff making moves and being concerned. For the past couple of years, the coaching staff seemed to make a lot of excuses. This year’s crew sees a problem, and they make moves to fix things. That’s comforting.

The last couple of games have showed us that our offense faces challenges with smash mouth defenses. We’ll need to fix that, but I think these coaches can get it done.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

HT, Great stuff.

I think you’ve voiced every possible concern that I’ve had about this team. I’ve only got one question for you. If it’s obvious how we fix things (i.e. go to zone blocking, put a RB in the shotgun to pick up the interior blitzes, throw seem routes to the TE, etc.) why aren’t we doing it? I raved… I mean RAVED about McD’s ability to spot a weakness and correct it in the first 6 weeks. It seems like we have been absolutely unable to cope with any of the strategies employed against us in the last two weeks.

Don’t tell me that Pit and Bal, are that much better than NE, Cin, and Dallas (OK, I’ll give you Dallas). I’ve been saying we’re exposed, and I got a lot of flack for that. If we KNOW what we need to do, and have a coach that has demonstrated an ability to take away the things other teams have done well against us in the first six weeks, don’t you have to conclude that we don’t have the personnel to defend against these strategies?

What I’m trying to say is that we might be getting some insight regarding next year’s turnover. I don’t think Orton is safe, and I think we’ll see at least three Lineman changes next year. McD can dial up deep plays, or at least throws to the TE. He refuses to— and that doesn’t make sense. He knows how to take pressure off the line— just line up a go route and chuck it out of bounds to let people know you can. I think that is an indictment of Orton, and not the “system coming along”. It doesn’t take more than 2 seconds to send a TE up the seem on a 5 step drop— that exposes the deep middle of the field and takes pressure off our crossing routes.

So what do you think? Are we not exercising the solutions to these strategies because we don’t have the personnel, or is McDaniels being stubborn and not relenting?

by legendarywalton on Nov 13, 2009 1:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

2 very good points.

First…

If it’s obvious….why aren’t we fixing it?

While I was talking about zone blocking, here’s a response that applies to adjustments in general.

There is a school of thought that the best way to make a scheme transition is by immersion (instead of phasing in the changes). The thinking is that the team suffers in the short term, but when the final personnel are in place, the change is quicker and more efficient.

This is a two-sided argument, and I respect both sides. In our case, I would rather make the switch slowly, since any new linemen are going to likely be used to gap blocking anyway, so there’s no need for a major adjustment period. The counter is that we won’t turn over the entire line in one season, anyway. So perhaps we are sacrificing a little bit this season for a stronger run in 2010.

In other words, we might be sticking with what we’re doing in order to make our transition more effective down the road (instead of changing things up all of the time). It may be frustrating in the meantime, but in the long term (so goes the thinking), our guys will benefit from practicing and sticking with the eventual system. We’ll need some more players in place to make it happen, but by then we should be even better.

I don’t really like that approach, but it is a matter of style and not neccassarily a bad approach. Just not how I would do it. (Then again, as I point out a lot, I’m not a pro level coach). : )

The second point….

Don’t tell me that Pit and Bal, are that much better than NE, Cin, and Dallas…

No, but there is a finer point. All of those teams have different style, regardless of which teams are better. And what do BAL and PIT have in common? Smash mouth defenses. So at this point, my conclusion is that we can go toe to toe with some very good teams, but our weakness (until corrected) is facing off with physical defenses.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the ZB stuff I'm OK with... it's the lack of plays to push safeties deeper that upsets me.

Watching the “full system” in NE, deep passes are absolutely sprinkled in. In fact, I’d argue that the whole point of the NE system is to keep people crowded near the line so that you can take advantage of deep plays. However, McDaniels’ recent presser made it seem as if he is completely averse to these type of plays. So, are we ever going to see some plays to “reopen” the middle of the field? I would argue that McDaniels systematically does not want to throw the ball deep, because he’s concerned that more turnovers will result. Well that’s OK, but any team (not just smashmouth teams) can blitz up the middle and take advantage of us. I’m not sure if the OG change completely solves that problem, but there is a definitive blueprint.

by legendarywalton on Nov 13, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll have to see.

McDaniels is an excellent QB teacher, not just a good coach. He may be bringing Orton along too slow for our tastes, but perhaps that is what he feels needs to be done. The alternative is that Orton can’t consistently make the deep throws. I’m not yet at the point where I buy that (especialy after watching Orton at Purdue), but McD knows our QB better than we do.

If we keep Orton into 2010, I expect McD believes we have a real winner on board. If not, I trust McD to bring in a better prospect. I haven’t given up on Orton by any stretch. Comparing him to Cutler, I think we made the right move (forced as it was by Cutler). But the coming off season will tell us more about Orton than even our own eyes will during the season. If nothing else, McD will make the right call on Orton’s future.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Walton....

Here’s my take:
McD would rather stay true to his PHILOSOPHY than anything. This means 2 things to me:
1/ He does not care if he loses as he will make our guys learn by the sink or swim approach.
2/ He thinks we wont make a dent in the play offs and wants to get the scheme indoctrinated now at the expense of wins.
Its really weird,,,,,his big mantra pre season was to use the talents of the players and out them in positions to succeed. I look at Moreno and Hamilton in particlular, and it makes me think he is doing the opposite based on his want or need to stay true to his philosophy.
IMO, he has set them both up for failure based on scheme, and they are the tip of the ice berg if he keeps betting on PHILSOPHY vs REALITY….
And this has been the only time I have called him out all season…..but the O Line and running game schemes are REALLY worrying and could send us careening out of the play off picture/
Its killing Orton, the WR’s , the O line and the RB’s…..
Vent over!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 5:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

At least 3 Linemen changes next year?
What I’m trying to say is that we might be getting some insight regarding next year’s turnover. I don’t think Orton is safe, and I think we’ll see at least three Lineman changes next year.

I could see us addressing C & LG next year, but my question to you is who do you see us needing to replace out of Clady, Harris, and Kuper?

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 14, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done!
…this is and always has been a 3 year rebuild….. and year 1 is well ahead of what anyone thought it would be, and yet all you hear is complaining about this team.

Orton may or may not be the answer, but we are certainly well ahead of where we could have reasonably expected with a new QB and new coordinators (not to mention a ton of new players on defense). I’m happy with where we are at already, and already looking forward to where our new coach takes us.

“Ahead of schedule” is the key thought when I think of this team.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Orton

Maybe it is just me but, at times during the first half of the Pittsburgh game I thought Kyle looked better, quicker and more decisive than I had ever seen him. He didn’t sustain that, which could be due to the Steelers playing exceptionally well. I don’t think I’m going too far out on a limb here to say that the glimpses we’ve seen of high level play from KO will become the norm and he will start to be considered an elite quarterback.

I’m with you DW about enjoying the show. This is as fun and exiting a time for me as the Super Bowl years if not more so.

Just another guy...on the lost highway.

by oncobronco on Nov 13, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Even when he was on fire, he WAS getting pressured….
O line did not come to play …and coaches were out schemed.
I know many said that Tomlin adjusted,,,it was not that…..they just over powered us with the same scheme.
We needed to score 17 or so points the first half to win IMO.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome DW76...we dont hear from you enough...GREAT POST!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 5:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks steve!

Reading your article was like an anti-depressant (as well as watching cutler throw 5 Ints last night) and i’m ready for another week of FOOTBALL!

The washington redskins have the no 1 passing defense. they have a good secondary with deangelo hall and carlos rogers with landry at FS but it doesn’t feel like a secondary that would be no 1 in the league. How much of this is their inability to stop the run? or maybe simply them always falling behind early in games and teams simply resorting to running the ball in the second half?

Since your’e a DC, this might not be up your alley but if we should go up huge on washington in the first half (28+ point deficit) would you (as a coach) be willing to use the opponent as a test run? like testing out various plays, maybe a couple of deep balls to work on orton’s timing with the receivers (because as much as they might do it during practices, it just isn’t the same on the field during a real game) or is that simply too dangerous of a ploy in the NFL.

by march20 on Nov 13, 2009 1:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff!
…but it doesn’t feel like a secondary that would be no 1 in the league. How much of this is their inability to stop the run? or maybe simply them always falling behind early in games and teams simply resorting to running the ball in the second half?

I’ve thought of that. It would make sense. I like Hall more than most folks (despite a terrible time in OAK), and Landry can be very effective too. But I agree with you. Much of the #1 ranking may be due to teams just running down this team’s throat, particularly with leads.

…would you (as a coach) be willing to use the opponent as a test run?

At any level (pro or HS), testing out plays is a very dangerous endeavor. First, there are very few games in a season, and each is critical. Second, one badly blown play can change the entire direction of a game. There is also the thought that “We got to this 28 point lead by doing what we do, not by playing different types of plays.” With that reasoning, why try anything out?

I think that experimentation should take place in practice, and be honed to perfection. If it gets used in a game, it should be because the coach and the players are confident in it, not because we can “try it out” during a game.

In that sense, no, I wouldn’t use a lead to try out any tests for plays.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Mitchell said as much

He believes the Washington D is overrated — a statistical anomaly. They don’t get turnovers, they don’t score… and Washington hasn’t played a tough schedule at all to this point.

Unfortunately, the Broncos aren’t running well. Were they, I’d say this game has the makings of a real blowout.

But who knows? Maybe Buckhalter and Moreno find the outside this game, and the offense finally clicks.

by JeffG on Nov 13, 2009 11:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

A 25 ranked run D is just what we need to get our running game back in order

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Steve

Well said on all points. I hope every “fan” reads this. Love reading your write-ups.

by Broncoholic_07 on Nov 13, 2009 1:28 PM MST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Holic!

In my book, being a fan means being loyal. Being on and off bandwagons is opportunism, not loyalty. I hope it gets read too.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You're either a fan or you're not.

I want to see the Broncos improve some things too but the ups and downs are all part of the deal. They’re having a good season so far and as a fan I want to support them.

Players have to do their jobs no matter what but it is a little easier when you have the fans behind you.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Nov 13, 2009 1:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Right on.

Our guys should look into the stands and see OUR fans. That is the LEAST a fan base can do.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not jumping off the bandwagon, but it looks to me like the Titanic has hit the iceberg. Hope I’m wrong.

by patrickf on Nov 13, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

It is reasonable to be worried.

A lot of folks think we might be in trouble, and that’s a fair opinion. A “faux fan” would start calling our HC and QB names, and complain about the team. A “real fan” will do what I did; offer opinions on what can be done.

In my book, I’m not worried. We’ve met the goals I’ve set for this year (improved play and, likely, an 8-8 season), and exceeded in other areas (powerhouse defense). At this point, every good thing we do is icing on the cake, and a great starting point for next year.

(BTW, I voted we would make the playoffs).

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

When I said...

…that we’ve met my own goals, I meant to say that we will be better than 8-8. I had set 8-8 as my base for this year. I didn’t mean to imply that our record will “likely” be 8-8.

lol

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We are 6-2.....I dont get this attitude....makes no sense......whatever!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you boydy

I guess 19-0 is what fans like this are expecting. Losing 2 games in the first half of the season is playing very good football in the NFL. It’s not cause for alarm and definitely isn’t a sign of a sinking ship.

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 14, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

McD has a plan.

As HT mentioned in an earlier comment, we all need to realize that for all intents and purposes, this team as a whole is ahead of schedule. I think the real fans can agree on that and I’m betting that McD and the coaching staff feel the same way.

However, I’m positive that Josh came into this job with a plan. And I’m pretty sure that plan involved incremental, but steady, progress. The issue becomes, what to do when your progress has outpaced your original projections?

I really doubt that McD is so inflexible that he absolutely will NOT deviate from his plan. He seems more the type to wait until the risk is very low to try to set the bar higher. To use an illustration, he seems like a commander that would gladly take enemy ground, but is cautious enough to pause periodically and consolidate his forces and protect his supply lines. Go too fast, and you risk getting enveloped.

The point is that he has a plan, and I’m sure that deep passes and all the bells and whistles that come with the NE Amoeba offense are part of it. But sometimes I think that we (meaning I) get caught up in the moment. We (meaning I) see a level of performance in excess of what we expected, and we get a bit spoiled and want more, RIGHT NOW.

We just need to remember that McD doesn’t have all of his pieces in place yet, and the players that we currently have are still learning. I guarantee that in two years we won’t be complaining about the offense!

Now the special teams might be a different story…

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Great post.

That’s exactly where I’m at. Yeah I didn’t expect to win this year, but with a few adjustments “ahead of schedule” we could have beaten Pit and Bal (my opinion). So my question becomes, if McDaniel’s is all about winning, why not do what it takes to win? Shotgun RB blitz pickup, and deeper routes that challenge the secondary. Any of that stuff relieves the pressure on the line, and we’re free to “quick transition” to power blocking. Just confused with his ability to see problems and adapt, and then not do anything the last two weeks.

by legendarywalton on Nov 13, 2009 2:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's tough.

I just noticed around the BAL game that my expectations had changed drastically. Why? Because we were 6-0. I literally had to remind myself that this is the same team that I expected to go no better than .500. Patience, Grasshopper…

That said, I love the thought of keeping a RB next to KO for blitz pickup (as long as they actually pick up the blitz… cough… Moreno…). I’ve seen some very productive offensive plays where the back will chip and then run a route up the middle or into the flat, where he’s wide open. Or have him run some sort of option pattern, where if the blitz doesn’t come he goes out into a route. I’ve seen Dallas do some good things with a back on either side of Romo in the shotgun, too.

I’d also like to see some deep routes and throws occasionally. I wonder, though, how much our lack of deep plays the last two games was due to the fact that we played two of the best safeties in the game in Reed and Polamalu. Fast, smart, and instinctive. On top of that, both of those teams are very good at stopping the run with only the front seven. In that case, a DC like LeBeau can keep his safeties middle-to-deep, and still stop the run. Best of both worlds.

Frankly, after the last two games, if I were the Skins, I’d play to my strengths and try to stop the run with AH and the rest of the front seven, and keep all of the pass plays in front of the DBs. I don’t see them stacking the box until we prove that we can actually run the ball.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 13, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Moreno needs to be concerned

with protecting his QB, than going out for a pass

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 13, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If Moreno can't block...

…I’d be fine with keeping in one of our guys that is more of a FB type (like Larsen).

Use Moreno and Buckhalter for obvious runs, and perhaps Larsen for pass blocking and occasional screens.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see him get a shot.

Don’t know if he’s in the dog house though. I’d like to see him some more.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 3:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Concussion

Hillis, imo, is still recovering from his concussion. He has looked confused when he has gotten playing time. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13457916?source=rss

by Endzone on Nov 13, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

If I recall...

he wasn’t getting looks primarily because Larsen was out….the week Larsen came back (BAL) Hillis was much more involved….then he was absent this last week…

I bet Hillis will be seen more as a playmaker going forward, than he did while Larsen was out.

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)

Revised to 12-4 due to reality!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Nov 13, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be great

Yet I have not seen that power he had last year. I honestly don’t know what’s going on with him. But he is clearly not the player he was last year.

by Endzone on Nov 13, 2009 4:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He might be

I recall that in college, he took a while to catch on. Last year, he wasn’t very good early in the season. This year, same thing.

Sometimes, a fellow takes a little while to be comfortable. He’s done well in some roles on ST. I remember a quote from him t the effect that he keeps finding ways to improve and get better. I’m sure that he will again – he’s a good player in another brand new system. Since McD likes a two back system right now, that’s an influence as well. Moreno may not have caught on quickly, but he’s got a huge upside. Young players take time.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good job, HT

I agree with most of your points. Except that I think the reason that McD is getting away from the zone blocking is that he has already shown significant confidence in his football views, and one of those is clearly that the power running game is in some way superior. Consequently, he has decided to commit fully to this change, because the offense is already complicated enough without trying to add in a zone/power hybrid. One thing that also seems clear is that when McD talks about Shanahan, McD disagrees with how Shanny ran only a ‘hybrid’ version of the 3-4 last season. This, to me, indicates that McD believes in committing to one way and then perfecting it.

As far as the Skins, if I were Zorn, I would stack the box against Den and force Orton et al. to beat the Skins in the passing game. If the Skins do this, we could be in serious trouble. Hochstein would have to have a career day against what will surely be a hungry, inside-stunting Haynesworth; and then Orton and the receiving crew would have to execute a near-flawless passing game.

I think the Broncos have a great chance of winning if we can establish the run game and achieve that balance, but now each team has a good blueprint of how to disrupt our balance and shutdown our running game. If Buck/Moreno turn in a strong performance and we stay balanced then we can win handily, as our Defense will be facing one of its best matchups of the year.

"A man can fail, but he is not a failure until he blames someone else." J. Paul Getty

by SteveAssassin on Nov 13, 2009 2:00 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think we agree entirely.

It looks like he believes in making the transition to power running pretty much by immersion, which is the point I made in the story. While I may not agree with it stylisticly, I understand the approach and it is certainly a valid way to go.

I also agree that Zorn should force the pass. They have a terrific pass defense, and they should ensure we can’t run the ball.

Good points all!

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Love your stuff HT....

We’ve got tons of great posters here, but I definitely look for your’s whenever they come up. Tons of knowledge and logic with just enough emotion sprinkled in…..

Anyway, I don’t claim to be a coach in any form, but it would seem to me that we should be able to react to any tendency the defense shows. If teams consistenly blitz up the middle would a TE screen to the middle of the field not be a reasonable call? It seems that all of our screen plays go wide and that none have worked very well. SD and PHI (I think it’s philly i’m thinking of) run screen plays that go for 20 yds+ almost every game. We have great blockers outside, so what would you say the problem with our screen packages is?

The other thing I’ve noticed is I don’t think we run a lot of misdirection type plays. Maybe that’s not Mcdaniel’s style, but I loved seeing the occasionaly reverse from Shanny…even if it wasn’t successful it kept the defense honest. I feel defenses are playing over-aggressively and we’re not taking advantage of it. In the end, I know it’s the NFL and even a first down is a very difficult accomplishment so I don’t mean to complain. I love McD and the direction this team is moving in.

by Kgrone on Nov 13, 2009 2:01 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Meh...

was working on the post and hit enter too quick….on second look at the post, I found a couple spots where my questions were addressed….

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!!

by Kgrone on Nov 13, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I think our early start is due, in some part, to teams not knowing what to expect from the “new look” Broncos. Now teams have made some adjustments, and it is up to us to execute better and make a few small adjustments of our own. Still, the physical style of the BAL and PIT defenses were good experiences for our team to learn from, and I look forward to seeing how we adapt in the future.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I always look forward to your articles Steve ( HT, still getting use to this ), they usually bring

calm understanding to the x’s and o’s at least for me.
That said, I wonder if the League ( the better teams ) finally have enough film on this years Broncos, to find an antidote to McDaniel’s playbook. What do you think?

I hope McDaniels has a Playbook, part Two for the rest of the season, and
maybe a part Three for the playoffs, and who knows maybe a part Four…

As for the fans…It starts with me!
I am a fan of the Denver Broncos Period.
I have loved all the coaches and players since 1970. They have all put in their blood,
sweat and tears for the Team.
I am proud of each and everyone of them, good year, bad year, win or lose, the
Denver Broncos are MY Team.

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Nov 13, 2009 2:05 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good point.
I wonder if the League ( the better teams ) finally have enough film on this years Broncos, to find an antidote to McDaniel’s playbook. What do you think?

Early in the season, teams didn’t know what to expect from our new look offense and defense. Now they know what to expect. We will continue to improve on what we are doing, and I expect a few new wrinkles here and there.

A new team can either start strong or weak. If they start weak, they have a long building process. If they start strong, they should win for awhile, then face a decline as other teams figure them out. At that point, they either improve or they don’t. We’ve cleared the first hurdle in fine fashion, so now we only need to improve that we can adjust too.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts
Eddie Royal is the kind of guy who is dangerous when he catches the ball in mid-stride.

I keep thinking we need to use crossing patterns and slants for Eddie. That definitely plays to his strengths.

This is the time to send a message, before the hungry Chargers and the angry Giants come to town in the next two weeks.

You better believe this is a statement game.

I haven’t given up on Orton by any stretch.

In my book, being a fan means being loyal.

Our guys should look into the stands and see OUR fans. That is the LEAST a fan base can do.

I happen to agree big time with these.
Thanks Steve.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 13, 2009 2:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Kaptain.

Let’s see if Coach agrees too!

: )

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the great read....

And I echo what others have said about being a fan. These are my Broncos win or lose. I will support them through thick and thin. Now let’s go work on that ground game for crying out loud.

by bchiper on Nov 13, 2009 2:45 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

You're a real fan bchiper!

We’re all in the trenches together! Let’s fight and win!

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Teach

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Nov 13, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

6-2 baby!

So my wife just couldn’t believe that I didn’t go ballistic with the two losses (like I had been the last few years). My reply? Who thought we’d be 6-2 right now anyways. plus we just lost to the 2 best teams from the AFC last year, we’ve beat a lot of good teams this year and, despite the score, we played hard and were in both games until late. Sure we have things to work on but…..

I think we’re playoff bound, (anything can happen) when I thought we’d rebuild a bit more this year, why wouldn’t I be happy with that. Come Sunday at 1pm I’ll be on the couch dressed in Bronco gear. I’ll have my 9 month old son on my lap, dressed in his Bronco gear, and my wife will be around somewhere rooting for the Broncos to win for me.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Nov 13, 2009 2:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

That's a great point I didn't put in the story.

Those two losses were to the two best AFC teams from last year.

Mdierk had mentioned the same thing to me on the phone, and I had meant to add it. Thanks for the reminder.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's too funny!

My buddy was harassing me about the loss after Monday night, and I laughed it off. I then pointed out that my predictions had us 4-4 at this point and losing to BAL and PIT isn’t anything to be ashamed of.

Last year…the harassment was substantiated and it stung. I’m pretty damn proud of where we are right now!

He’s a Chefs fan nonetheless :O

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)

Revised to 12-4 due to reality!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Nov 13, 2009 4:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome Todd...totally agreed!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

See you on Sunday

I hated seeing all of those terrible towels at Mile High as well. But I will be front and center in DC this Sunday watching my boys Taaaaaake Itttttt!!!

by Dixie Donkey on Nov 13, 2009 3:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Write up a post...

…if you have the time, and tell us how it went for you! Folks love hearing from someone who went to the game. It doesn’t have to be detailed Xs and Os either. Heck, I even like hearing what was good to eat!

: )

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank YOU bfree

Let’s hope this one is a good one!

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great work, as always, HT

I just saw the line on raiders/chiefs – raiders by 1.5. My question is this – will anyone actually win that game?

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 4:06 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

A tie at zero apiece would be hilarious!

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 4:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

A a truly karmic world

Some fan will set off a cannon firework in the bleachers, The raiders will believe that it ends the game and will flee the field…

And three plays later, KC will score…

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 10:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

LOL!!!

" May the bandwagon jumpers bark their shins!"

by hairybear on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent, informative post HT. Thank you!

My only comment is in regard to the running game. I think our long term objective is to have an offensive line that can Zone Block OR power (gap) block. Perhaps the single most glaring weakness the Broncos have had in the post-Elway era is impotency in the red zone, particularly 1st and goal at the five. We simply have not had the size or muscle to blast it in. I think McDaniels sees the advantage of the zone block in many situations, but it is limited in short yardage and he wants to get more 300 lb. + linemen who can ram it in and also zone block. This is why he has kept Dennison and Turner. The one-cut behind the Zone Block will produce those 20 yd. rushes we all desire.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Nov 13, 2009 4:21 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure that we will keep the ZB.

The zone block is a good tool, whether for long or short yardage. In fact, because the cut is always back towards the middle, the point of the ZB (with the 1 cut variant) is exactly to go for those yards up the gut – or what would be considered a form of power running.

Where I’m in disagreement is that I really don’t think we’ll run both. Sure, every team that runs ZB does some gap blocking, and every team that gap blocks will have a few ZB plays (without the entire scheme that it entails). But teams predominanlty run one over the other. At the rate we are getting away from the ZB, I really think that we are moving towards the type of power run that NE has been known for in the past. I could be wrong, but that is how it seems to look to me right now.

I know you’re a trenches kind of guy, and I know you’ll be keeping a close eye on this for us. (I also hope that I’m wrong that we’re going to be moving to a gap block system. But change happens, and old guys like me have to get with the program).

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You make a very good point.

It is difficult for me to watch the O-Line on network TV. I don’t have all of the play-back stuff so I end up with a partial view of the line. I would hope we could stay with the zone block, but I agree that it is disappearing quickly.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Nov 13, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the quicker transition to a gap-blocking attack...

…is directly related to Orton’s limitations. He has not been good on the move, and the nature of zone-blocking linemen often means that they will struggle in protection without using rolls and moving pockets. There’s a reason that Shannahan relied so heavily on waggles, boots, and creative protections and its tied directly to a zone-scheme line’s innate weakness against bull rushers and active pass rushing DT’s. Its hard to protect up the middle with a smaller interior line. It creates uneven matchups in protection. Clady and Harris are sort of abberations in the sense that they are both agile and, at least in the case of Clady, prototypically large. Harris is very strong for his size.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 13, 2009 8:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's an excellent point...

…that I didn’t mention, and should have. Thanks for bringing it up.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

2 losses

At preseason I predicted Denver to be 5-4 after this weeks game and it looks like they will be 7-2. I’m not worried about the losses. I also predicted preseason at some point a DC will figure out the Denver Offense and Denver would have to work hard to overcome the weaknesses that were exploited. I also think the final score in the last 2 games are worse than what Denver was because Denver wasn’t out of those games until midway through the 4th quarters. Denver is fine will get better offensively and will go to playoffs. The 1 mistake McD made and I believe is a big reason why Denver lost to Pittsburgh is the Punter. If McD doesn’t get that figured out it may cost Denver more games.

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Nov 13, 2009 4:30 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

This punter thing is scary.

One directional kick almost took PIT to the one yard line, but barely went into the endzone for a touchback. At that point I felt good. After that….

Man. We sure need the punting game to get in gear.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 4:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did You Read

The Dude’s article Getting the Berger Picture: Why Josh McDaniels is Smarter Than You ? There may be a better punter out there. But just exactly who would that be? This late in the season, I’m thinking it is probably a next year thing.

by Endzone on Nov 13, 2009 4:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Bucky Diltz will come out of retirement. JK JK I understand what your saying but the punting in the Pittsburgh game was probably one of the worst Ive ever seen. They can’t have that every week.

... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

by 3nS on Nov 13, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Great Chalk Talk, and Rec'd HT

There aught to be sticky somewhere that correlates former aliases with your new identities. I’m still not use to it – figuring out who is regarding staffer’s former and new identities. But I still love the great articles. Keep ‘em comin’!

Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA

by Rzeppa on Nov 13, 2009 6:42 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I had to make a cheat sheet, which I still have to refer to ( being old now, I have to work hard to learn new things).

Just another guy...on the lost highway.

by oncobronco on Nov 13, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks so much!

Don’t feel bad. Everytime my wife cries out “Oh Steve!” in the throes of passion, I get confused (as I think my name is still Hooserteacher). It has been confusing for me too.

lol

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

YQW, and just found this

Head Writer and Editor-in-Chief: TheSportsGuru
Associate Editor: Styg50
Associate Editor: HoosierTeacher
Contributor: Zappa
Contributor:TedBartlett905
Contributor:BroncoBear
Contributor/Horsetracks – nycbroncosfan
Cool Graphics: calijoefornia

This was on the left column of the home page this evening when I was looking for what used to be a list of your MHRU articles. What happened to that list?

Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA

by Rzeppa on Nov 14, 2009 10:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Coach...AWESOME as always....

You continue to bring the heat…love the passion and the understanding of the game!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 6:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks boydy!

All the best to you my friend!

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

One comment on Brandon Marshall, and I wonder if I’m alone on this.

You say:

Brandon can make the catch, and then knock over the nearest defender.

Which I agree with in philosophy, but haven’t seen much of this year. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by his attitude and effort, but the guy seems to be leaving a ton of yards on the field— especially the last two weeks. Is it just me, or does he seem to be trying to be too elusive with the initial moves and dancing? There were a couple of times against Baltimore where he danced out of his blocking on what appeared to be nicely set up screens. On a play against Pittsburgh, he had a safety to beat in stride but inexplicably reversed field. It still looked like he’d get nice yardage, but the cut back cost him his speed and he was dragged down from behind. Not trying to nitpick, but I think he’s left some ‘explosive’ plays on the field by trying to hard to elude when he could just use his size and momentum. This is sort of important since the nature of the last couple of game plans has obviously relied heavily on generating YAC.

Anybody else agree with this?

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 13, 2009 8:33 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I think Eddie needs to have Brandon’s role and vice versa…..

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 8:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But it seems like he’s always reverted to that at times

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I will always remember Brandon’s first TD, the one where he plowed through 4 or 5 Seahawk defenders on a straight line to the end zone. He’s poweful but sometimes he likes to run with twinkle toes. Maybe Brandon needs to approach his YAC like the denver running backs of old: one cut and go.

by bowma101 on Nov 14, 2009 12:19 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the hardest things to teach...

…at the HS level is “don’t dance!”

I didn’t coach offense, so I didn’t have to deal with that. But I saw our OC and our RBs assistent struggle every year with trying to get RBs (and, to some extent, WRs) to go north-south, and not to try to out juke defenders. At the HS age, it is a tough thing to learn. A young kid naturaly trusts his eyes and his own ability. It takes a lot of discipline (ALMOST too much to expect) for a young man to disregard what his own brain is telling him, and to trust the coach and just plow ahead.

I don’t know how much Marshall is affected by this. I would imagine that, as a WR, he has a little more lattitude than a RB to make such a decision. He also has an older and more mature mind (we hope). Frankly, he DOES put some good moves out there (such as that great set of moves in the TD against DAL). But he can get burned too.

In the end, I’d prefer a guy like him to err on the side of bulling ahead if things are crowded, and going ahead with the zig zags in the open field (where he seems to zig and zag better). But that side of the football isn’t my specialty, so my opinion is just one of many. : )

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great HT

Thanks for the write up. On the offensive woes, I still feel like so much of it has to do with our Special Teams and consistently awful field position. The scheme relies so much on timing and execution that it seems difficult for our O to sustain long drives again and again and again, which is what they’ve had to do the past two games. It seems like we have 80 yards to go on every drive. Are we doomed, for this year at least, to suffer through this kind of field position?

by bowma101 on Nov 14, 2009 12:25 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Field position is an issue.

On the other hand, our defense is giving our offense decent field position much of the time. I think the STs play a part, but there is little excuse for failure on short yardage runs. The most basic, simplest job of an offense is to be able to move the ball a yard or two on the ground when called on. If you can’t do that, everything else gets more complicated.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Chalk talk session. Rec'd!

Thanks HT for your thoughts. I heartily agree with your thinking about ZB – about wishing that we could keep using it. it would certainly unhinge our running game. I can see – along with the comments about it – that the gap or power blocking could be useful down at the goal line. And since NE has been using this system, we will probably move into it. After all of that – I still would prefer the ZB. We need an efficient running game. I am not convinced that the power blocking is better than the ZB – even in short yardage and goal line situations. Remember we have some excellent tight ends who can block very well. There were lots of change made on the D side (going to 3-4 from the 4-3) but not many on the O side with the idea to install a different alignment and system with gap blocking on the OL.

Pat Kirwan of NFL.com has spoken about a 2 year transition from 40 to a 30 defensive alignment. It looks to me that we did what he was talking about in 1 year. Partly it is having Mike Nolan as DC. Partly it is because there was versatile players already here – and, of course, the FA pickups were crucial.

My sense the 2 yr theory holds for the offense as well. I don’t think that this was as thoroughly thought out as the defensive switch was. Trying not to be critical – simply trying to point out facts. That is why I would stay with the ZB which is the strength of the OL at least for this season. Don Shula always used the systems that suited the personnel that he had on the field.

Excellent post Steve. Thanks for your time. I enjoyed the comments and the sharing. Looking forward to celebrating our 7th victory on Sunday!!!!

by Blackknigh on Nov 14, 2009 1:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Solid stuff all Blackknigh!

I’m also looking forward to our 8th, 9th, 10th, …….

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis. Always enjoy your articles.

I think I disagree slightly about one thing. It seems to me that zone blocking is overrated. Not used much around the league anymore. It seems that 3-4 schemes tend to overwhelm it. Maybe it’s the 5-2 matchups on blocking that neutralizes it. I felt last year’s inconsistent running already was indicating that zone blocking needed replacing to more match-up blocking and bigger, stronger linemen. I think McD believes the same.
Also, I think both offense and defense will improve with time. Both systems take up to 3 years to become comfortable enough to use mostly instinctive reactions and to see well-coordinated timing. I see missed timings, slow reads and reactions on both offense and defense. Both the Ravens and the Steelers showed the advantages of being experienced and comfortable in their systems – quick reads and reactions.
Finally, I expect our talent pool to improve in the next two years. While there is talent on the present roster, it could be deeper (or younger) in several places. There are also some “Make Do’s” in spots that will be replaced IMO.
But, overall, I really appreciate your analysis.

by ivanthenotsobad on Nov 14, 2009 12:02 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good thoughts all Ivan!

Actually, more teams have moved to the ZB in the last 2 years than away. However, it seems to be a dying art (the further one gets away from the “master” – Gibbs). I would disagree about last year though. We were down to something like 6th and 7th string RBs due to a major crisis in injuries, and still held our own running the ball.

But more importantly, I think Coach McD sides with you on this one, so I’ll have to defer. : )

Agreed on thoughts re PIT and BAL. Experience counts for a lot. Your observations are right on target.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 14, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs


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