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Horse Tracks 11/13/09 - Marshall practices, McBean limited; Harris and Barrett still out; Portis ruled out for Skins

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DB - Week 10 - Thu: McDaniels - Broncos TV

DB - Changing of the Guard - Zach Eisendrath
"There was one change to the Broncos’ Week 10 Injury Report on Thursday. After he did not practice on Wednesday, Brandon Marshall (back) was a full participant in Thursday’s practice session."

DPP - Briefs: Defense aims to make QB a pocket passer - Jeff Legwold
"With Clinton Portis not playing Sunday because of a concussion, Ladell Betts is expected to start in the Redskins' backfield despite an ankle injury. Betts was held out of practice Wednesday and Thursday."

DPP - Rookies haven't earned rave reviews - Mike Klis
"I understand why we have that word 'rookie' attached to our names," said cornerback Alphonso Smith. " 'Rookie' to me means unaware. Ignorant in a sense, because you just don't know."

DB - Keeping The Dorm Lifestyle - Chris Gentilviso
Rookies David Bruton, Chris Baker, Darcel McBath and Alphonso Smith all live in the same apartment complex. The three DBs also study film together with Renaldo Hill on Tuesdays.

DPP - Analysis: Broncos are retooling their offensive line - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Q&A: Broncos still use zone-blocking schemes - Jeff Legwold

Star-divide

DB - Week 10 - Thu: Bailey - Broncos TV

DPP - O-line last frontier to see change - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Spotlight on: Broncos guard Russ Hochstein - Lindsay Jones

CSG - Broncos' lineman Hochstein excited about chance to start - Frank Schwab
"Overall, I’m just excited to get out and help my team," Hochstein said. "Whatever capacity they use me, I’m happy with."

CSG - Trade involving Broncos' Bailey, Redskins' Portis still big - Frank Schwab

LTC - Heading to D.C., Broncos’ offense stalling - Brian Howell

AP - With Guarded Optimism, Broncos Switch To Hochstein - Pat Graham

AP - No Answer For No-Huddle Puts Broncos In Bind - Pat Graham

DB - Colorado Sports Hall of Fame Honors Six
Mike Shanahan and Larry Zimmer are among those honored.

NFL Results

NFL - Chicago Bears 6 at San Francisco 49ers 10
In case you weren't watching, Cutler threw FIVE picks last night. Ugh, and I picked the Bears...

Redskins News

WP - Portis officially ruled out; Smith may go on IR (updated) - Jason Reid

WP - Redskins turn to Ladell Betts - Rick Maese

WP - Rinehart, Montgomery in 'ongoing battle' - Jason Reid

USAT - Redskins' Alexander: 'We've got to go out there and play for pride' - Sean Leahy

AFC West News

SDUT - Hardwick not practicing - Kevin Acee

KCS - Chambers, Cassel try to be on the same page - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs notebook: Game against Raiders will be emotional for Cassel - Adam Teicher

OT - Oakland Raiders receiver Javon Walker seeking his freedom - Steve Corkran

SFC - Lechler hopes to give Baugh's record the boot - David White

NFL News

NFL - Week 10 injuries: Gates, LT fully practice for Chargers

FH - Source: Browns Player Hurt in Extra Drill - Dan Graziano

FH - Justin Gage Has Broken Bones in Back - Chris Burke

NFL - Falcons coach Smith fined $15K for melee; two 'Skins also punished

SI - NFL reaches deal to receive NCAA game footage - Don Banks

Y! - NFL shipwrecks Captain Morgan campaign - Charles Robinson
Wow, I've gotta say - this one is pretty funny. Kudos to Captain Morgan for trying...

NFL Opinion

USAT - What if the NFL sacks the salary cap? Free agents left to wonder - Jarrett Bell

ESPN - Inspired to succeed by his late mother, Indianapolis Colts TE Dallas Clark has run an unlikely route to stardom - Jeffri Chadiha

FOX - NFL Truths: Don't believe Brady-Manning hype - Jason Whitlock

NFP - Diner morning news: Why Coughlin took the blame - Mike Lombardi

NFP - Is Eagles’ Hanson a victim of labor strife? - Andrew Brandt

Y! - Cutler doesn't dodge criticism after horrific outing - Mike Silver

SI - Cutler at center of Bears' mediocre play, crisis of confidence - Ann Killion

SN - What We Learned: Cutler is falling into Bears trap - Vinnie Iyer

SI - Jeff Fisher, John Fox among NFL coaches wrongly put on hot seat - Ross Tucker
"Well, the Broncos are 6-2 and atop the AFC West, and even though they've lost their last two games, I think it is safe to say that McDaniels was a very good hire."

SI - Everything can change in a New York minute, so don't bury Giants - Don Banks

SI - Chris Johnson better NFL running back than Adrian Peterson - Kerry J. Byrne

SI - Pittsburgh Steelers want payback vs. Cincinnati Bengals - LaMarr Woodley

Midseason Stuff and Week 9 Previews

CBS - Midseason Awards: It's Peyton -- period -- for MVP - Pete Prisco

ESPN - Offensive Midseason All-Pros - Len Pasquarelli

ESPN - Defensive Midseason All-Pros - Len Pasquarelli

NFL - First-half impact from safeties cannot be ignored - Vic Carucci

FOX - 5 Questions: Brian Billick on second-half adjustments - Brian Billick

NFP - The Player's Picks: Week 10 - Matt Bowen
"Broncos 24 Redskins 7"

SN - Week 10 picks: Patriots-Colts always an instant classic - Vinnie Iyer
"Redskins 13, Broncos 10"

ESPN - John Clayton breaks down the biggest NFL games of Week 10

SI - The Peter King Challenge
"Prediction: Denver Broncos 17, Washington Redskins 15"

NYT - Brady-Manning Is No. 2 on the QB Matchups Top 10 List - John Maxymuk

NYT - Week 10 Game Probabilities - Brian Burke

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How do you think the O-Line will perform with Russ Hochstein starting?

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DORT!

Is it wrong to take so much pleasure in another man’s dorts? If so, then I don’t want to go right.

Jay Cutler, you complete me!

by MarshallMcCard on Nov 13, 2009 6:05 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Mornin Doug, and Thanks...

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Nov 13, 2009 6:33 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 13, 2009 6:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Who was that guy sitting by himself sulking on the sideline?

…oh yeah, same guy. Just wanted to make sure. I THOUGHT he looked familiar…

by RalphW on Nov 13, 2009 7:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug.

I will take Champ STILL to this day.

by precisiontint on Nov 13, 2009 7:22 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always said Jeremy Bates made Cutler worse as Cutler regressed from a hot start in 2008 to a poor finish. I still think Jeremy Bates was/is a lousy coach, but Cutler has regressed yet again in 2009. He was a much better player 20 games ago than he is today. That’s not good when you are just 26 years old and in your 4th season.

The Bears have to feel some serious buyer’s remorse today. So now they are 4-5 and will not finish with anything better than a 7-9 record. I expect Denver will have something like the 14th overall pick in the 2010 NFL draft. Thats gonna hurt their fans too.
 

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Nov 13, 2009 7:27 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Not happy as I was dumb enough to start him in fantasy

But at this point I’m envisioning some sort of Cutler reclamation project led by Shanny in about three years once Jay gets run out of Chicago.

by moomacher on Nov 13, 2009 7:53 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Shannahan explicitly say he wanted Jay to take cances, to not throw the ball away?

I think that hurt him as much as anything. Turnovers cost you football games, as Lebowski would say— that stat doesn’t lie. To be fair to Jay, I’ll give him the same pass I give Orton to a certain extent— it’s his first year in a new system, it’s his first year playing with his receivers (except Bennet, I guess), etc. In fact, Cutler may have it worse because he’s going from arguably the most QB-friendly offense ever to perhaps the least QB-friendly offense, while Orton goes from Chicago to a very QB-friendly offense.

However, the biggest problem with Jay is his near refusal to take a sack or throw the ball away. He’s always trying to make a play, which maybe isn’t a bad strategy when you’re in Mike Shannahan’s offense throwing to playmakers like Stokely, Eddie, Scheffler, and BMarsh. Now he’s in Turner’s offense with Hester, Bennet, Knox, and Olsen. I think he just threw another pick.

by ButteBronco on Nov 13, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Martz told Warner the same thing...

and, if you believe CHFF he’s a better playoff QB than Manning. I think his Cardinals numbers last year are factored in too, for what it’s worth.

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Nov 13, 2009 7:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler is the gift that keeps on giving

Chicago’s remaining schedule goes like this, Philly, @Min, St. Louis, Green Bay, @Balt, Min, @Det. Only two easy ones left(STL, DET) A 6-10 record is definitely possible, giving us an 8,9, or 10 draft pick. Couldn’t imagine our FO spending the money on a top 10 pick, so we’ll trade up, and recieve more draft picks in exchange.

Could Cutler be our Santa this December =). He does know a thing or two about giving being from Santa Claus Indiana.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Nov 13, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Chargers are still banged up. I’m hoping Hardwick can’t go next week.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Nov 13, 2009 7:44 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 13, 2009 7:58 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

hey is anyone at MHR going to a hochstein primer?

the one in the dp today is kinda weak. i did an MHR search from when the trade happened, but just wondering if the fine writers here have any more …

by ssc on Nov 13, 2009 8:20 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see something from HT regarding how we defend against the hurry-up/no-huddle.

That issue has me more concerned than the offensive woes.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 13, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Countering the no-huddle.

I may need to do a MHR-U piece on the no huddle. It is getting a lot of attention for Denver fans recently, and there is a lot of material one could put into an article.

There are many reasons to go no-huddle. Against Denver, the #1 reason is because we like to heavily rotate our front 7. How do we counter that?

When a team goes hurry-up, they risk mistakes. This is the major draw back of the hurry-up. The trade-off is that the defense has to keep their guys on the field, and this wears them down. The best way to counter a hurry-up (in my opinion) is to stop the momentum. This can be done with a radical shift in formation, a major “show blitz” where the QB might have to call a time out, a defensive time out, or (in an extreme case) a purposeful penalty to stop the clock.

Some DCs will have three or four set plays to counter the hurry up (such as a base man or zone play). For example, when I see my defensive players caught on the field, I may call a simple zone play, and leave the team in that play for two or three downs, then switch to very simple man play. This prevents confusion from trying to send in more complex plays during limited time. (Many defenses fall into the mistake of trying to “do it all”, which causes players to be confused and out of position. Coaches need to remember that remembering formations, sets, and assignments are a lot easier for the coach on the sideline holding the play chart than for the players).

“Show blitzes” (bringing a lot of guys to the line) are good, because confusion on the part of an offensive line is perhaps the top way to cause a time out during a no-huddle. They are better than actual blitzes, because an actual blitz is going to wear down a defensive player quickly.

As with any good conditioning program, endurance training is key to countering no-huddle.

The best way to counter the no-huddle is to keep things simple. The offense may pick up some yards and even downs, but they are also risking mistakes by playing a quick series of plays. Don’t give up the big play, don’t try to make too many adjustments in assignments, and just outplay the opponents.

If things are this simple, why has Denver been exposed? My guess is that much of what we do is predicated on certain players with certain assignments in certain situations. This makes simplification very difficult. As the defense gets more experienve playing together and with the new DC, the effects of no-huddle should clear up over time. Remember, most of our starters on defense are new to the team, and our defensive system is radicaly different from last year. Over time, the things we do on defense will seem even simpler to our guys, and we’ll do a better job handling no-huddles.

Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Nov 13, 2009 9:16 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Thanks

Good stuff. Me, I’m a big fan of the "nickel linebacker falls down and fakes injury" play.

by JeffG on Nov 13, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I’ve seen the Patriots do just that.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Nov 13, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Exposure

My feeling is that our base and nickel packages are so different personnel-wise that teams are targeting matchups they feel are favorable. If I’m not mistaken, our nickel features four linebackers— DOOM, Ayres, Woodyard, DJ— and essentially subs the extra DB for one of our big bodies up front. In addition, Reid often plays DE or NT in the sub packages.

If I’m not mistaken, most defenses simply sub a linebacker and for a defensive back, no? Isn’t that what the Shanny D’s did (I remember DJ coming off the field when he was @ SAM)? I guess we may be essentially subbing a LB for a DB, as Doom usually goes from standing OLB to hand-in-dirt DE, but since DOOM is simply changing positions, the sub, in essence, is DB for big body (WW subs Davis, Ayres subs Haggen). This turnover in personnel seems extreme when compared to other Bronco teams and other games I watch— out goes [Feilds, McBean, and/or Peterson], Haggen, and Davis, in comes [Reid], Woodyard, Ayres, and Law . As we all know, different players (skill-sets) create different matchups, and the teams coming off bye weeks probably saw something they liked.

Anyway, nice question ssc and nice analysis Mr. Nichols.

by ButteBronco on Nov 13, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

in that a 4-3 team will often trade a linebacker for the nickel, and Shanny generally took out the SLB (at least the last couple years I remember). However, they will also change up linemen as well. I think it varies greatly depending on team how the linemen get changed, but with past Shanny teams we saw people like Patrick Chukwurah come in for passing situations and people like Engelberger sub out. Chukwurah was basically a 3-4 OLB, which actually works well as a pass rush specialist in a 4-3 (IMO). Also, the tackles often get smaller and more penetration-minded, Dewayne Robertson would usually come out and someone like a Josh Shaw or Nic Clemons or maybe even Peterson would come in? It’s amazing how fuzzy my memory of last year is already. Perhaps that’s what that memory repression thing is.

Now, with our defense, I think things are even more confusing, since as HT is fond of pointing out we really run a 5-2, but no one will really call it that publicly. I think what we are seeing in the nickel commonly is our line going down to a four man front, often with the likes of Doom, Holliday, Reid, and Ayers, or also often with Smith as a tackle, Holliday and Reid on end, and Doom standing up on either end of the line (no Ayers this time). Of course last game we saw some of Moss in the nickel D because Smith was starting for McBean, so I don’t think he saw much time in the nickel packages.

by poorboywilly on Nov 13, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

one of the great moments in chukwurrah's broncos career:

was pass-rushing himself to the point of hurling on the field, wiping his mask, and getting right back after the qb. loved the intensity and the dreds.

by ssc on Nov 13, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i would add a time-consuming offense is a good deterrent

you wouldn’t run a no-huddle against the 97-98 broncos because the price of failure was having your defense exhausted by an unfavorable T.O.P.

conversely, i think opposing teams are more ok with risking the no-huddle against the 09 broncos, because the 09 offense (so far) isn’t wearing down your defense.

by ssc on Nov 13, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone tell Klis...

That INT’s, sacks and other flashy stats are not necessarily the only indicator that you’re contributing on the field as a rookie.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Nov 13, 2009 10:27 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

From Adam Schefter re Cutler's bad week

Adam_Schefter
  

Filed to ESPN: As if last night weren’t bad enough, Jay Cutler fined $20,000 for abusive conduct to an official last week vs. Arizona.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 13, 2009 11:06 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

But your poll should have had the choice that Hochstein could/should be somewhat better than Ben – I expect improvement, but not a lot.
Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Nov 13, 2009 11:52 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

2 starters for JUST a 5th round pick

Isn’t it great to see the two players McDaniel’s traded for in NE are now starting for the Broncos?! So many people were so mad that we made the trade for “backups”. This just shows how much SMARTER Josh is than any of you haters! I love when McD rubs it in the doubters faces!!

by DaLostBoy4 on Nov 13, 2009 1:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Eagles

I know. I’m looking too far ahead. But I saw this:

The Eagles’ depth at cornerback disappeared on Wednesday when Joselio Hanson was hit with a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s policy on performance-enhancing substances, and Ellis Hobbs was placed on injured reserve because of a neck injury that will require surgery. DP HERE

by Endzone on Nov 13, 2009 4:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Kerry J. Byrne...

Cold hard football facts beat you to it.

by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 13, 2009 5:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs


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