Broncos Thoughts and Musings - The Art of Magical Thinking
I have always believed in magic.
From the promise of sunrise to the infinite painted beauty of sunset, our world is filled with magic. A child's smile, the scents in the air after a soft rain, a lover's touch, the mountains' beauty and an infinite number of other phenomena can be understandably labeled as 'magical'. Magic plays with us in our daily lives, often unseen, never far from the moment.
There's another kind of magical thinking, and it touches on our fandom. You see it on both sides of every aisle, coloring the thoughts and perceptions of many throughout our culture and our planet. It's the kind of magic thought and wand-waving that assures us all that if 'X' were just different, all ills would be over, all problems solved and all wrongs righted. It's the kind of thing that gets harder to support, as the Information Age moves forward, because we have access to the facts that show such thinking to often be superficial and frequently erroneous. Yet, the presence of such information is a far cry from its application in rational thinking. You must both find and then make use of such facts, or the discussion, arguments and debates will grow ever more bitter without any hope of resolution. And that bitterness can infect the happiest of spirits, if left unchecked.
I wanted to take a minute to touch on 'magical thinking' and how it might affect our views of the season and the team. Bear with me as we first encounter an area in which magical thinking can make it hard to talk about what really is, and what might be. The first issue is that of the trap that has been formed by the view backwards towards John Elway's career. I recall, several months back, talking to a member about Elway. He'd just looked over his career stats and was surprised by what he saw. This is what came up.
The Elway TrapI loved watching John Elway. I was a fan during his entire career and it was a great and unique experience. I'd never disparage that and I won't discount it. But, I was there. I recall the cries of horror, the doubts, the insistence that Steve DeBerg was a better quarterback and all the rest of it. There were a few seasons, and stats, that we love to forget:
- 4-6 ('83)
- 8-7 ('88)
- 5-11 ('90)
- 9-7 ('93)
- 7-7 ('94)
- 8-8 ('95)
QB ratings:
- 54.9
- 65.7
- 70.2
- 71.4
- 73.7
- 75.4
- 76.8
And so on...
John Elway could be incredible, but at other times, he was all too human. The rose-colored shades that tint our view in memory can also blur our perceptions. We seem adept at forgetting that within many other seasons (nearly all, in fact), Elway had games that were forgettable and some that stick out in outright infamy. In 1992, Elway had a 5.4% INT rate, which would have him drummed off the field in modern days. Despite what our memories want us to believe, even during his career, John Elway had slumps, weaknesses and problems. I was there, I was an Elway fan, and I cannot forget how gosh-awful he was at times. Weaknesses? Overthrowing. No touch. Forcing passes. Taking sacks. Inability to throw the ball away. Arguing with his coaches. Elway was anything but the kind of contiguous experience of perfection that we seem to have raised in his place, and that actually (IMHO) cheapens the obstacles that he overcame, the difficulty of his journey and the brilliant and storied way that he ended his career.
Sure, folks are going to jump up in arms and claim that those seasons weren't his fault, but again, that's the trap. Many times, they were. At the time, many fans wanted Elway benched in favor of Gary Kubiak, Bubby Brister or other, lesser names that we've forgotten. The blame for many losses was heaped on his head with a side order of burning coals. Elway was not universally loved, nor appreciated. He was like all QBs, a target, someone on whom others pin their hopes, and whose failures amounted to abject betrayal - at the time.
The idea that you DON'T keep jumping from one player to another because you'll never develop consistent play that way and because often the player who's starting is really the best at his position on the team is often comfortably ignored. That's the snare that many of our fans are in. But it isn't the only one. If you're careful, you'll find that magical thinking affects fans on both sides of every debate. Here are some that I've seen arise the most often.
The Pro
"Orton = Brady"
No, he doesn't and he almost certainly never will, but that's neither here nor there. There are lots of good QBs in the league besides Brady and sometimes, even Brady doesn't always equal Brady, since he's the subject of a lot of magical thinking too. Tom Brady has had a lot of really lousy games - I watched quite a few. He's had even more good one's and some great ones, but that's not the point either. There are lots of different ways to win, lots of ways to build a winning team quickly and the Broncos have been winning far more than they lose. Claiming that because Kyle Orton isn't Brady that he's a terrible QB (and I'm amazed that folks make that statement with a straight face) is ridiculous. Just as it's ridiculous to claim that he is another Brady - those come a couple of times a decade, if that. But Orton isn't Brady anyway, and won't be.
"Orton will continue to get better"
Well, so far, he has always has. It's continued this year, too. But will that continue? It's a fun thing to argue about, but the fact is that neither side knows one way or the other. It may be likely, but at some point, he will also level out. Frankly, all argument aside, it's unlikely that we won't get a chance to find out which it will be - short of a total meltdown, they're not going to bench him any time soon.
"It's not Orton's fault!"
Well, some of it is. As he and McDaniels will tell you, he's made errors and done things that he needs to fix. I'm not giving Orton a free pass. I just realize that there are other issues that are just as important and solving them is necessary for Orton to stay successful. All of the Broncos, even the defense, need to do some soul-searching. And I've not doubt whatsoever that they have done just that.
The Con
"The losses show how bad we are!"
True enough, in one sense. Plenty of good teams have had mid-season skids, though. By itself, it means nothing, even if the losses are substantial. The losses will always teach you more than the wins will. Orton is going through exactly what everyone on the team is going through - building a team, learning each other's tendencies, working through problems, celebrating successes.That's true of the whole team.
The View though Poop-colored glasses
When I was chatting with another member, he said to me "When I looked at those 9 categories in which Orton was in the top 5 in the league, all I saw was how mediocre he was." Well, thanks for sharing...What? When that kind of thing passes for reason - and it has in some quarters, lately - it demeans all of us. It's an absurd thing to say. Let's keep it to the realm of the possible, Ok? Not liking the QB is perfectly understandable. Claiming that the universe is wrong? Not so much.
This goes for both sides: Isn't it interesting how many folks won't even listen to anything that counters their opinion? The fact is that truth is what the opposites have in common. Instead of the messy reality that the world is never simple and is usually contradictory, there are deep desires on both sides of the aisle to try to force the messy, complex, remarkable and vast-ranging experience that is the Broncos and the QB position into a tiny little box. It will not fit, my friend. No point in trying.
"We need to bench Orton and bring in Simms!"
Wow. You've got an amazing help of faith in a QB who's blown hot and cold since he was in college. Simms has been on and off the bench more often than the Nuggets JR Smith. Actually, Simms doesn't have a rocket arm, as many are claiming. He has earned my undying respect because he is a class guy. He has also been the first to point out that Orton is starting because:
- a. Orton understands the offense better than Simms and
- b. Because he executes the offense better than Simms.
It's really simpler than a lot of folks want to admit. Simms isn't that great of a QB - he never has been. I like him as a man (quite a bit, and his father before him) and I wish him the best. He's a decent backup player, and that's what he plays. Someday, I hope that he is more, but I'd still as that we spare everyone the 'Well , in preseason' silliness. That was preseason, simplified and against 2nd and 3rd string players. If Simms doesn't even agree with you, what's your real argument?
"We need to bench Orton and bring in Tom Brandstater!"
Oh, my. Tom Brandstater needs a lot of training, coaching and seasoning. I've watched him play, I've studied his pre-draft workouts and scouting reports and he's not, repeat, not, ready to take over an NFL team, much less one that's so screwed up that they are benching a QB who has won 75% of his games. If you hate Brandstater and want him to fail, fine - call for him. But otherwise, no, that's really not a good idea.
"We never should have traded Cutler!"
Ok, can we finally put this one to bed? I haven't wanted to dwell on this because while it's my feeling that Cutler was the motivation behind the situation in Denver as it evolved, I don't consider it black and white. There are probably some things that we will never know and in the end, both teams entered into a trade that they thought was in their best interest. However - No matter what you thought at the time, new evidence has emerged. It has Jay in the same rut, professionally, as when 2008 ended. At that time, styg/Jeremy, HT/Steve, John, myself and lots of members were questioning his ability to learn and mature professionally. Someday he might - it isn't this week, though. Come whatever may, Mr. INT is not the solution to the Broncos situation. Watching him Thursday night, complaining and spreading blame after the 4th INT - and he threw it directly to the defender, in a way that defied any ability to stop this by the receiver - reminded me just how strange it is that folks really want his guy back. How did he become such a magnetic draw? He's a very troubled young player. But with just a little magical thinking, he's maturing into an elite QB. Hmm...Five INTs, 2 in the red zone, the last one to lose the game with a receiver open. I've got to admit - that just doesn't sound all that magical to me. But, more on that in a minute.
Are We Alone in This Tendency?
As the current saying goes, "Child, please..."
Of course not. This process is as old as mankind. During preseason, some of the Chiefs fans stopped by MHR to tell us that they were going to take over the division this year. Washington was going to contend for the division. San Diego was going to play well in September. It goes on all the time.
There's a bit of it going on right now in Chicago. I'm not a Cutler hater. I do see his weaknesses and strengths from my own perspective, though, as someone who has watched and broken down a lot of his games. I've watched the Bears' games this year - that's our draft pick their games are affecting. A couple of nice, classy Bears fans stopped by recently and mentioned that the Bears problems aren't with Cutler, but with the defense, O-line and receivers. I felt a frisson of magical thinking when that happened, too. Here's why:
It's flat out true that Chicago has issues with the O-line,and I would never ignore that. The Bears were counting on their center lasting, and he's breaking down. Omiyale came in from Carolina and he was a backup - he didn't do well there. The Bears believed that they could change that and it didn't work. They also believed that Pace had a couple of good years left (probably not) and that Chris Williams would step up. He's struggled.
That is a big problem, and here's the upshot: Do you recall from last season the argument that Cutler threw picks because the D was lousy and the Broncos didn't have a great running game? In one sense, that's true. Jay doesn't hold up well under emotional pressure. That's why his picks come in bunches - once he's made a mistake, he will often choke. As the pressure gets louder, he's more likely to make a mistake - he did the same thing in Denver. The poor line performance adds stress to the situation and Cutler responds in a pretty predictable way.
Keep in mind that I emphatically do not put all of the blame for the last Bears loss on Cutler. That's absurd - Chicago has several issues, and defense, O-line and receiving corps are certainly among them. So is the quiescent running game. But I cannot, in good conscience, get around the recognition that this is exactly what scared me about Cutler when he was in Denver - the clusters of INTs, the issues of not staying 'centered', the tendency to force passes and the turnover ratios are serious problems in a player who now has enough experience to know better. There is a consistent pattern with Cutler that is starting to emerge nationally. Most Broncos fans knew about it a while ago.
Since Cutler was brought in as something of a Big New Thing, that pressure is another factor. The O-line weakness is pressure. Being behind is pressure. Life in the NFL is stressful, however, and Jay will have to either adapt or have a tough time. I wish him, and the Bears, well - after this season. This year, that's my draft pick you're talking about, pardner... Dane and smudgers from Windy City Gridiron have been a class act, though, and I welcome their presence on MHR.
Trends
It isn't just Orton, much as the guy has been a lightning rod, or Cutler, or any other one thing. It's a long-held pattern that emerges in every fan base around the league. There is a tendency to want a simple answer to a complex question. Usually, that answer somehow becomes the QB, who always, it seems, needs to be replaced. How far does this extend?
I wonder how many Steelers fans, today, will admit that they were among the many who wanted to run Big Ben Roethisberger out of town last summer (2008). Before he won last year's Supper Bowl (nope, not a typo, just enjoying the language), fans in Pittsburgh wanted him on the next train. After all, they reasoned, he wasn't a true franchise QB and he wasn't going to be able to win them another SB. In retrospect, that's up there with wearing tin-foil hats to keep out the alien transmissions, but it was perfectly common just over a year ago. This kind of thing goes on in nearly every city.
What are most folks in Denver really saying? The undertone, usually left unsaid, is often this: I don't feel comfortable with this team. That's understandable, because there's been a lot of change over the past year. Change is unsettling. Before that, the Broncos were mired in mediocrity, but we were familiar with the team and felt comfortable with the belief that it would improve. The sudden, massive transition is hard to handle.
Fans don't always like complex arguments. Simple is certainly more fun for many, and there isn't a thing in this world wrong with that. However - this isn't a simple game. The complexities, nuance and interactions among the players and coaches lend themselves to a lot of strange theories and bizarre conclusions. McD is an idiot. Orton can't play the game. There's nothing wrong with the O line (oddly, I was told that the same day that they benched Ben Hamilton, a guy who I will always like and respect).
And that's what reality brings - uncertainty. Wins, even when achieved, don't seen overpowering enough. Things aren't black and white - they are uncertain, and that's always been a time when the sales of magical items improve. The number of folks who believe that somehow benching a QB with Orton's skills and record is sensible surprises me at times, but it shouldn't. Many of those folks have always disliked Orton. Some of them want Cutler back (which is mystifying, if you look at his numbers and problems). They want something different to happen, and they think that the new will automatically be better. That's the fallacy. They want to wave a magic wand and change the way things are. You can't blame them for that.
Here's something that isn't magic - winning. Winning takes time, effort, long term planning and hard work. You don't toss a system that worked to the tune of creating the best offensive performance in NFL history (one which Josh McDaniels brought in) just because it takes time to learn. You don't do it by jumping ship or by listening to the howling mobs. You do it by creating a plan, which McDaniels has done, and bringing in good folks to implement it. It takes time, and 99 time out of 100, you'll have to change it and tweak it, adapt and add or delete personnel in the offseason. Only one team wins the SB - the others go home in defeat.
One member said "I expect the Super Bowl every year and I won't be satisfied with anything else." That's fine with me, but you're going to get up close and personal with a ton of disappointment if that's your life. Even Josh McDaniels said this summer, "We're not a Super Bowl team this year." He was right. There's too much that needs fixing. He knew that then, and he knows it now. In fact, I've rarely known a young man with a more grounded perspective on that.
And the changes are happening. The early run got people's blood up and they started imagining things that weren't likely. That's pretty common. Now we know that there are still holes to fill and changes to make. We aren't as bad as many are saying, either. Changes are needed, to be sure, and that will, I believe, get done. However...
This is the first season of a team that has been through immense changes. It's undeniable that the team has already come farther than almost anyone would have expected. I suggest to you that watching McD bring on his coaches, the evolution of the roster and the players, the reorganizing this team, teaching and coaching it to the place it is today is a very impressive victory all by itself. When I read folks claiming that by now the Broncos 'should' be perfect with the new systems and playbook, I just shake my head. Before the season, we talked about the fact that McD's own former players have said that it will take 2 or more years to fully understand and implement the systems. Now we're seeing that for ourselves.
Let's get 5 more wins. Let's cement ourselves into a playoff berth, even if we're not quite ready yet. You become the best by playing the best. Achieving that, winning a title, is a goal that will require inspiration, perspiration and long-sustained effort. And in it's own way, that's magical too.
I also wanted to wish you all the magic of the upcoming holiday season. Don't miss a chance to reconnect with your heart and your loved ones - they are the real magic in life.
All the Best,
Doc

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Wow, Em!
An incredibly well-written post. A pragmatical view, for sure. I can remember howling at my TV set when John Elway threw yet another pick in numerous games. Was he one of the greatest QBs ever.. yes, but he made his share of errant throws. In my estimation, his greatest value was what he did after a pick.. came back with a vengeance! That’s what makes him special.
Thanks and rec’d 100 times!
Go Broncos!
" May the bandwagon jumpers bark their shins!"
by hairybear on Nov 13, 2009 4:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well done
Unrealistic expectations can do a lot of damage. It makes teams overpay for “the missing piece”, it makes fans demand results that are just not possible and it plays havoc with trying to improve a team over the long term.
There’s not a lot fans can do to help their team win except cheer their heads off at the game. Maintaining realistic expectations is one of the few things that can actually help a team long term.
There’s a plan in place in Denver. It seems to be a solid plan and everyone in the organization is on-board with it. That alone will take you a long way. There may be a few hiccups along the way, but at least we are headed in the right direction.
Even the great Bill Belichick was 5-11 his first (2000) season with the Pats.
5 wins seems very reasonable. I have us beating Washington, KC X2, Oakland and the Giants. Indy and Philly are losses and SD is a coin toss. 12-4 probably gets us the #2 seed. 11-5 will probably be good enough for #3.
by PDXTai on Nov 13, 2009 5:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
As I've said before
Orton is neither great nor terrible. He is someone who is the poster boy for game managing quarterbacks. That’s not bad.
There is a need among fandom to go to either extreme when describing their own. There’s no middle ground, and Kyle Orton is the very definition of “middle ground”. He’s not a playmaker, but he won’t get you beat with silly interceptions. He won’t streach a play, but he won’t make a bad pass. He is a cog in the wheel of what the offense is.
With that being said….McD has to realize that there’s some things that are bogged down in this O, and they need to tinker with it. We will not see an explosive offense this year because you need a “special” quarterback for an explosive offense (98 Broncos, 99-01 Rams, 07 Patriots all had “special” quarterbacks) but you can WIN with a conservative offense with a competent quarterback (which is what we have)
Get that running game improved and you will see a greatly improved cog in this conservative offense. Hopefully the wins will ensue.
BTW….I hope people appreciate KO for who he is by neither making him great, nor calling him terrible. Just remember, he is but a cog in the machine…
by jpage78 on Nov 13, 2009 5:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I was there for all those Elway "down" years...
and will be a Broncos fan until the day I die…..for better or worse, through thick and thin…
This line:
“This goes for both sides: Isn’t it interesting how many folks won’t even listen to anything that counters their opinion?”
It’s amazing how applicable that is to our government as well right now….it’s just wrong. Polarized is no way to be whether in a sports blog or in politics.
Anyone that can’t make a logical, fact based argument, and accept truth for what it is, should just stay quiet or get the heck out. :)
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)
Revised to 12-4 due to reality!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
by Broncotodd on Nov 13, 2009 5:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
rec'd BTW
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)
Revised to 12-4 due to reality!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
by Broncotodd on Nov 13, 2009 5:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Perfect Read!
Simply amazing to read such perceptive analysis. Everything i have thought over the last few weeks/months nailed in such a way that is far more articulately pitched than i could have ever have tried to nail it!
Living in the UK and the limited coverage received here makes everday so much more exciting knowing the MHR crew will always provide thought providing material to get you through the week. For Gods sake i’m 34 years old and the articles here get me so wired for games the broncos have become a full time addiction…..I SHOULD SUE YOU GUYS :-)
Anyway Keep em comin guys….
And thankyou from across the pond!
V
by vanbrugh on Nov 13, 2009 5:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
thanks for bringing balance back to the force, em.
once again you amaze and awe and I appreciate your view
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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by BShrout on Nov 13, 2009 5:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amazing, as always.
Great write-up. You touched on almost every topic discussed on MHR, this week. I definitely can relate to your opinion in this piece.
I think that expectations have to be kept in mind. At the beginning of the season, nobody here was talking super bowl. There was the 13-3 crowd, but IMHO, I think that was more of a battle cry than an actual prediction. I reserved my prediction because I didn’t know what to expect. I was just hoping for this team to show some life.
So far, I have been very happy with this team. I like the direction it is headed in. I wasn’t in the 13-3 crowd at the beginning of the season, but at this point in the season, I think that we will be closer to 13 wins than 8 wins. Unbelievable. It feels so good to say that.
This team has exceeded expectations. It’s a very exciting time for Broncos fans. We are moving in the right direction. We have a great record (one that suggests playoffs in our future. We have good, young prospects, and we have early draft picks (thanks bears). All in all, I love this team…….. Of course, I would love this team, anyways, but I really love to win, as well.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 13, 2009 5:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Just beautifully said Emmett.
Magical thinking is like a narcotic for the pain other areas of our life keep throwing our way. I think we believe in magic to keep our hopes up in the face of sometimes pretty cruel reality. However, the truth really does set you free, even though truth sometimes looks different depending on which window you’re gazing through. Your post is a good old fashioned splash of ice water in the face! Wake up and look at what’s real!
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 13, 2009 5:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Cutler
I think the Cutler situation is a lot easier to understand when I keep in mind one thing – it was Bowlen’s decision to dump Cutler, not McDaniels’.
by tunesmith on Nov 13, 2009 5:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure
I think at most he just okayed it, and I’m not sure of that because it implies he might not have or hadn’t up to that point. Bowlen doesn’t micromanage. He hires who he thinks is the right man and lets him do his job, even if it’s trading the “franchise” QB. I suspect his “I have decided”, and the reasons he gave, was his way of deflecting fan outrage and giving McDaniels some breathing room. My feeling about Bowlen is he trusts his coach and doesn’t tell him who he can and can’t trade. I doubt there are any restrictions other than financial on what McDaniels does.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 13, 2009 7:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
generally true, but wrong in this case
Bowlen complimented McDaniels at the recent owners meeting, specifically for taking the heat on the Cutler trade when it was in truth an organizational (Bowlen) decision. It was a bit of news that flew under the radar, but it was very clear that Bowlen was stressing that it was his decision to trade Cutler. At the time, there were a few things in the press about how Bowlen was furious that Cutler hadn’t returned his phone calls, even while at the time it seemed that Cutler and McDaniels were cooling down (or warming up) towards each other. Now, that might have all been theater on Cutler’s part, but the point was that Bowlen admitted it was an organizational decision months later, and there was no reason for him to lie at that point, now when the Broncos were 5-0 or 6-0 or whatever! :)
by tunesmith on Nov 14, 2009 4:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you point me to a link
that indicates what Bowlen actually said at the owners meeting?
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 14, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It was mostly McD
We didn’t get off on the right foot, and pat and I never liked each other, so he jsut supported whatever Josh wanted to do. I’m over it now, besides the food is much better here in Chicago.
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Great read, I appreciate the acknowledgement of a very good season. There has been so much good change, I can’t wait to see how the season progresses. I’m with you on Orton, he has been good, and I don’t expect him to lose his winning touch.
by bleedorange-blue on Nov 13, 2009 5:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Doc....bloody awesome as usual my friend...
But…..WHEN we get to the play offs…all bets off….
I like our veterans…..I believe in my heart of hearts that guys like hamp and Dawkins deserve a SB ring…..and sometimes lightening strikes!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 7:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Even Josh McDaniels said this summer, “We’re not a Super Bowl team this year.” He was right. There’s too much that needs fixing. He knew that then, and he knows it now.
Especially in light of the amount of dead money against the cap. This off-season they competed in the free agency market with a ~$30 mil handicap, and look who we got.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
by Drizzt396 on Nov 13, 2009 7:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
That's what's really amazing
that we lead the league in dead money and still were able to radically upgrade the defense via acquisitions that were remarkably astute both in terms of player evaluation and money management. I think that’s where Xanders’ expertise most obviously complements McDaniels’.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 13, 2009 7:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Doc.
You want to do a ask MHR post over on Hog’s Heaven?
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Nov 13, 2009 7:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
DD
I’d love to, but this isn’t a great time. The injury is creating some pretty irritating problems – I would love to, but I can’t add anything right now. When I’m better, perhaps?
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 9:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Bear reading Joan Didion?
[link] ;-)
No but seriously, great stuff Emmett. Great food for thought for Broncos fans.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 13, 2009 7:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice Post
Nice post, I agree with most of what was written. I do have to say that I think the 6-0 start was nice but look at a couple of these wins. The 1st week if not for a miracle the Broncos lose. San Diego, if not for Eddie Royal we lose. The offense is not good right now. Can’t run the ball against good defenses and certainly can’t throw the long ball. Teams with even average defenses know how to stop the Broncos. Shut down the run game, take away the short passing game. That’s are whole offense currently. I know it’s a new system, it will take sometime and I think Josh McD is on the right track. The folks who think this team will make the playoffs this year will probably be disappointed in the end as an 8-8 or 9-7 finish is quite likely.
by Bookem on Nov 13, 2009 7:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If you're Aunty had of had balls she would be your uncle.....
Every team has what ifs!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And where you get 8 wins from I have no idea!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 13, 2009 8:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"Shut down the run game"
Gosh, it sounds so simple. Wonder why nobody thought of it before? Reminds me of an imaginary press conference:
“What happened out there, Biff? Going into the game it looked like you guys had a really good chance.”
“Hard to say, Billy. The coaches had a good game plan. The idea was to jump out to an early lead and make em play catchup ball. Would’ve worked, too, if they hadn’t scored 28 straight points.”
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 13, 2009 8:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Welcome to MHR.
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Nov 13, 2009 9:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the most balanced and insightful
document on Denver quarterbacks I’ve ever seen, IMO.
I, too, remember Elway’s years. I remember seeing how many of his 47 fourth-quarter comebacks were simply his climbing out of holes he largely dug himself. It seemed at times his lousy first halves and spectacular second halves had almost become his mode of operation.
Yet today, Elway is renowned as one of the greatest QBs ever . . . and rightly so.
Truth is, from Charley Johnson to Craig Morton to Elway to Griese to Plummer to Cutler and now Orton (and others I didn’t mention), we have had a contingent . . . sometimes a large one . . . who wanted the QB run out of town. The difference is, we never had a plethora of message boards on which we could read it daily . . . which is the reason I don’t even look at most of them anymore.
Anyway, thanks, Doc, for another scintillating post.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
by AZDynamics on Nov 13, 2009 8:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful job, Bear, of bring us all down to earth
Citing Elway’s history brings needed perspective. We should also remember that we just played five very good teams and went 3-2 against them. How many folks at the beginning of the season expected us to do that well in this stretch? We’re letting the fact that the two losses were in a row throw us, but the flip side is we won three in a row against really good teams. As you suggest Orton’s performance isn’t the only issue, maybe not the most important one. I see an offensive line that hasn’t been as good run blocking as it has been pass blocking, and in the last two games not even the latter. On a lot of our short gains (on screens and outside runs) I see the pursuit running right past blockers (who seem to be focussed further down the field, or just spectating) to make the tackle for a minimal gain. That and the guard (and maybe center) play needs to be cleaned up before the offense can click on all cylinders.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 13, 2009 8:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The only Magic I believe in
is “Mile High Magic.” But I have lots of Faith. ;-)
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Nov 13, 2009 8:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh...Emmett...Kool Jazz playin'...Fire in the stove...Glass of Madera...My dog by my side...I am at peace!!!
Thanks Doc…Rec’d
by BroncoSense72 on Nov 13, 2009 9:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Miles Davis
Birth of the Cool, or Kind of Blue. Nothing like it. Bill Evans, playing solo piano on ‘Alone’. And then you slip on Dave Brubeck’s Take Five, just for the fun of it.
I had front row seats for the Modern Jazz Quartet, in the Oxford Hotel in LoDo before LoDo was LoDo. Back then if was rough, dirty and shapeless – perfect for an aging, claustrophobic jazz stage, carrying some of the best who ever laid down a riff. I could reach out and touch Jackson’s vibes, and the cigarette smoke you could cut with a knife. I drank Irish whiskey – single batch – and the night poured on like a warm breeze. Beautiful.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 9:50 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, Doc...
You just mentioned some of my all time favorite jazz artists and charts in the course of one post!
I never go more than a week without listening to KOB from start to finish. Far and away my favorite jazz album. If you haven’t heard the alternate take of ‘Flamenco Sketches’, it’s worth looking into.
Oh, and Bill Evan is easily my favorite jazz pianist. Utterly amazing chops, but I appreciate him more for his use of space, in much the same fashion as Miles.
‘Take Five’ is just such a great song… From the opening piano line to the sax melody. Wow.
Many thanks as well for the description of your live jazz experience. Just like I was there myself, and Rec’d for it.
- Jason
I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV
by jubei on Nov 14, 2009 8:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you know the story about "Alone"?
This is the story that I’ve read and heard: Evan’s sideman was killed in a car accident. Evans was devastated – they had been as close as brothers. He didn’t even play piano for a couple of years, as far as anyone knows.
One day, Bill just walked into the recording studio and said, “Turn it on, Ok?”. He sat down and played, and the album was recorded on the spot. Amazing.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 14, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea.
What an interesting story! I find it amazing just how much great music and art has been inspired by loss. I suppose both have been coping mechanisms for as long as we’ve been around.
Thanks for passing that along!
- Jason
I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV
by jubei on Nov 14, 2009 12:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a great story.
Creativity is an elusive trait to capture. Significant emotional and life changing experiences both stimulate an urge to express and share this experience. Great joy is as effective as great sorrow or grief at creating memorable words, music and art.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 14, 2009 10:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Doc
You’re the voice of reason. Awesome article..
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Nov 13, 2009 9:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
" A man should look for what is, not what he thinks should be." A. Einstein
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Nov 13, 2009 9:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Perfect
Thanks for the cognac shot of widom
following the deep fulfilling meal provided to us by Emmitt. We are blessed fans.
"Aggression, discipline, accountability, effort" Brian Dawkins 9/29/2009
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing." Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace
by PositivIntegral on Nov 13, 2009 10:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
boring is beautiful
I’ve been reading for months but this is my first comment. I’ve been a fan since the late 70s when the streets of denver were empty during games. I too remember Elway as the guy who couldn’t win the big one, and it wasn’t until T Davis came along with 2000 yards rushing that he became a hero. Here in the NFL and the wild wild west we love our gunslingers, and we were spoiled by having one of the most exciting as our QB for years. I thought Cutler had the same potential given 8-10 years in the league under Shanahan, but obviously that is something we will never know.
The first thing I did after the big trade this year was pull up Orton’s stats, since I knew little about him. The thing that hit me was his ability to WIN NFL GAMES! He still seems to have that ablity.The problem, let’s face it, is that he and McDaniel’s style of play is boring to watch for those of us trained by TV highlights to love the go-for-broke offense. Cutler’s ill advised downfield tosses still get the heart beating faster than Orton’s wise check downs.
I guess my point is that I am still adjusting to the conservative game plans that we have embraced this season, and perhaps other fans feel the same way. I agree completely that Orton is the best QB on the roster, and that his style of play is exactly what the coach demands. You can’t fault the guy for that. Young Elway would have been a Bear this season, too.
Go Broncos!
by azdenfan on Nov 13, 2009 9:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nicely put, az
Those are my feelings, too, my friend
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 13, 2009 9:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Conservative offense
Until we can demonstrate the ability to throw down field the opposing D will compress the field, stuff the running game, and create a forced passing game. Open up down field and the running game opens up with it.
We also have to deal with the hurry up offense as our defense hasn’t found an answer to that yet.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
by BroncoCUbuffs on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a down right insightful post Emmett.
Thanks!
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
by bchiper on Nov 13, 2009 9:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great post bear!
Good insight into the love/hate relationship football fans can have regarding the position of QB. Having watched the fans in Chicago regarding Rex Grossman, absolutely nothing suprises me. It’s like….whatever the media says is gospel….Jay Cutler will be the holy grail! Not! Now for a minor complaint. Please wait for several more games before you write off championship hopes for this Broncos team. How about after the Colts game? Let’s see how much the team improves and how we play against one of the best in Manning. While I don’t like the way we’ve played against the Ravens and the Steelers, the level of competition is good for the team. They needed to be put in their place and the two tough losses have accomplished that. Now it’s back to work!
Again great writing and rec’d.
by rocko1 on Nov 13, 2009 11:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
you are killing me!
I am running out of space to store these erudite essays. Rec’d; triple rec’d if I were allowed.
We are truly blessed to have both the Broncos and the bear in one location.
by idahobronc on Nov 14, 2009 12:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
You should print them all off and make an MHR book.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 14, 2009 7:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I often shot from the hip and often get criticized for it. But, what the heck...
To me, that counts very little in world opinion, are 3 types of fans.
1) The ignorant fan. This type of fan doesn’t really watch or listen to a lot of sports (football in general) but will try to tell you how the team or player should do things when they aren’t winning or performing in a special way.
2) The stupid fan. This fan watches on occasion and get’s a blip of the scores and thinks he or she knows exactly what the team needs to do to be better and successful.
3) The informed fan. This fan is the person who has put a lot of time and energy into the sport he or she loves and believes that decisions made by more intelligent people than himself can help make the team better.
I have read more posts lately of how they would do this or how they would do that to run a “professional” football team, when they don’t have the slightest idea of how to boil water. Im not saying they are all on here, but there are some that I just shake my head and go on to another post. Kyle Orton will be OK. We are building a team to win, so go get a chill pill out of the medicine cabinet.
by bfree2bronc on Nov 14, 2009 12:46 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Could we add a fourth?
4 – The misinformed fan. This fan watches every game and is really into the team, but gathers knowledge from the MSM and is stuck in a cycle of misinformation. Sometimes mistaken for an ignorant fan or a stupid fan because they spew information or stats from Sunday NFL Countdown or NFL live or AFC Playbook.
This fourth one applied to me before I came to MHR. I tell ya what, the Cutler in McDaniels’ doghouse days were HARD on fans that only had MSM to go to. The MSM even started saying things like “McDaniels is the worst coaching hire in NFL history,” and “you just don’t give away a pro bowl QB.” Ignorant, stupid and misinformed fans have things like that shoved down their throats on a daily basis. You know what they say……. “You are what you eat.”
Given time, fans in the 1 2 and 4 category can be in the 3 category if they keep coming to MHR and get some real football food for thought.
MHR pieces such as this one speed that process along. Great job, as always, Doc.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 14, 2009 7:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Elway Trap
Very interesting comparison. I wonder if it may have been even more appropriate a few years ago when Cutler was a rookie. Plumber was much farther along in his career than Steve DeBerg was when Elway came in but it was a similar situation with the vet on the field waiting for the strong armed rookie to take over. When Elway came in he was far short of great but we could all see the potential. That said, Cutler is no Elway. With Elway, we always knew he had that intangible leadership quality that always kept us on his side. Cutler was just the opposite.
by The Wad on Nov 14, 2009 8:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Very good point, Wad
I saw that Jay was fined 20,000 yesterday for abusive conduct towards a referee on Thursday. Stay classy, Jay.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 14, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I blow that in one night at the bar
Happy Hour anyone?
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 16, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciated and rec'd, as always
Here’s a Salmon for ya!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
by BroncTastic on Nov 14, 2009 10:06 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm.....salmon.....
lol
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good job, great read!
I will take Orton over Cutler anyday. Jay was a big part of the problem. If ever anyone needed some discipline and bearing and to just relax, it’s Cutler.
I want the offense to click again though, like against the Pats. They were not that great against San Diego, kind middle of the roadish, and now have had two sub par games, albeit against top tier Ds. If the offense can’t click, our chances for winning goes way down. Losing is no fun, no matter how you dress it up.
Tomorrow is a big test. I am saving my judgment until then. But I like this team alot better than last year’s team, who ruined my first NFL game for me. A fan for life, win or lose.
"One time, I want to see a fork lift lift a crate full of forks. It would be so littteral..."
RIP Mitch H.
by m_d0231 on Nov 14, 2009 12:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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