Redskins 27 - Broncos 17 Post Game Discussion
by John Bena on Nov 15, 2009 2:01 PM MST
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| Category | Broncos | Redskins |
| Score | 17 | 27 |
| Rushing Yards |
120 | 174 |
| Passing Yards |
185 | 214 |
| Total Yards | 305 | 388 |
| 3rd Down Conversions | 5-12 | 8-16 |
| T.O.P | 24:14 | 35:43 |
| Turnovers |
2 | 0 |
More to come about the Broncos crushing loss to the Redskins in a bit - until then, talk about the game here, and keep it clean!
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Such a failure of execution in every area of performance.
This is a team that is floundering. All that leadership better step up this week to be ready for the Chargers.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
What a miserable weekend for football - first the hawkeyes and now the broncos?
both teams having 2 backup QBs starts.
The funny thing is, Vandenberg for Iowa played a helluva a lot better than Chris Simms.
Simms is a f’n disaster – not to mention we paid him 3 million dollars to lose the game for us
by Bustafluff on Nov 15, 2009 2:06 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
At least now all the Simms supporters can shut it.
I’m very concerned about our 2nd half performance the last 3 weeks. Can’t put my finger on the cause. If playing San Diego for control of your division doesn’t motivate this team, nothing will. Go Eagles. Beat the damn Chargers.
J.R. is my homeboy
by Greyson on Nov 15, 2009 2:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Questioned answered
I guess that answers the QB question. The only controversy is who should be second string. Our D was exposed, especially the run defense. And the “Kerse” continues.
by NDbronco on Nov 15, 2009 2:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, that's the only positive
Maybe the Simms supporters will shut up now. It’s not preseason any more
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Is this defense wore down, that is my question
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
It's hard to guage...
because our second half offense was inept, with the exception of Moreno who played his best game of the season, and our first half offense scored very quickly. It sucks because the Skins are a bad team that played like it mattered whereas we—at least in my opinion—thought it would be a walk in the park. All lessons learned…let’s regroup and get ready for SD.
PS – my wife thinks the cure to our woes lies in our uniform. She advises our team return to the ugly brown uniforms! :)
"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Unknown, Hanlon's Razor
Your wife sounds wise, I will sacrafice my retnas for some wins
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
is it Karma
Kern was not that bad, Berger has not been an upgrade
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
Big mistake.
I’d probably pull a hammy but I am fairly sure I can punt for more than 16 yards.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Berger sickens me!
so he has what…one good punt out of how many duds???
"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Unknown, Hanlon's Razor
Yes, they wore down
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
More are they wore down, not did they wear down
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I hope to hell Ryan McBean heals up, cause La Kevin Smith blows
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Yep, our run defense has really suffered
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
For sure. LeKevin Smith is awful. He looks lost out there. Maybe we took on too many Ex-Pats
This is my favorite website.
Chris Simms really is a poor man's Jay Cutler
He has a big arm and can’t complete a pass to his own team. Everyone pray to God Kyle Orton plays next week, but I have a feeling the Broncos are having a mental breakdown. Everyone is saying they are collapsing like last year, and the pressure will just continue to build.
Too many three and outs
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Ouch...
This one stings. Oh well, big game next week. ToP in the second half killed us. I would have liked to see more running plays.
Hey guys!
I missed the game…what happened?
Orton played really well in the first half and was injured on the last play of the first half.
Simms came in and was terrible. Our special teams gave up a fake punt for a TD and the defense wore down in the second half because our offense couldn’t stay on the field. Terrible loss.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
We won.
Just don’t turn on the TV for seven days. Just trust us. We won. LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
Simms sucks
We need Orton to be healthy or start Tom B! Simms was terrible and he screwed this game up for us … not to mention that stupid fake field goal that we should have seen coming!
by isaiahkyler on Nov 15, 2009 2:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
embarrassing
everything that the experts said is wrong with this team has begun to come true in the last three games. the defense has been overmatched, especially today against one of the worst offenses in the NFL. chris simms could barely start for my maryland terrapins at QB, and the terps are now 2-8. i just can’t believe how stupid we have looked over the past three weeks.
Robinson > Simms
Dude I am a UMD grad and I will take Robinson any day of the week over Simms. That was dreadful
by tyardrich on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Some observations
1.) The d-line got pushed backwards the entire second half, which against the Redskins offensive line is very worrying
2) Chris Simms is better than the game he had, it was his first regular season action since 2006, but the throw for Brandon Marshall wasn’t just rust, it was just outright not smart, the offense was in Skins territory, and a controlled run-first drive puts us in front and takes the Skins ability to rely on the run away…really dumb.
3) We really struggle as a team defending against third receivers, I know Ty Law is playing there now, but I’m starting to be really disappointed in Alphonso Smith, for what we gave up to get him he should be good enough to play nickel, and as a small corner I would imagine that should be his specialty…
4) Russ Hochstein looked much better than Ben Hamilton, some nice play by the offensive line, and Knowshon had as good a game as he has had, I think once we get the running system fully installed, and he gets some good coaching, he will be a force.
5) The team needs a lift from someone, the early season momentum has unquestionably worn off, perhaps B-Dawk’s cheerleading isn’t having the same effect once heard over and over again.
Good points
And particularly about Simms – my biggest fear about him when he went in wasn’t just that he hasn’t played in so long and would be rusty, or that he’s probably less well versed in this offense than Orton is.
The kid can play, but his biggest problem has always been that when in doubt, he’ll put wild passes up for grabs as though he’s just hoping the right guy will catch it. The INT in the end zone killed a drive that was off to a good start. I couldn’t see the whole field but it is hard to believe that making that bonehead pass was his only option.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
There are definately defensive issues
Not sure what they are but they are worn out by second half now. Cincy was in Rothlisberger’s face all day today and I only recall one time the Broncos really got to him last week. This one hurt and I think Bronco fans now have the right to be both skeptical and panicky. Nice 16 yard punt by…well why pile on.
Elway is in, Zimm is in but don't forget: Floyd Little, Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 15, 2009 2:11 PM MST reply actions
Before we blame Simms (too late!)
If we’re as good as we thought and Washington’s as bad as we thought, this game shouldn’t have been close enough for Simms to lose.
Very true
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Possibly...
But it still shouldn’t have been close. What happened to the game plan? Hell…what’s a game plan?
by MarshallMcCard on Nov 15, 2009 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
we threw it deep with orton and played well. We had turnovers in the first half, otherwise it wouldn't have been only a three point game at halftime.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Two deep completions to a wide open Marshall...
And a wild overthrow to a wide open Royal are not a game plan.
by MarshallMcCard on Nov 15, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
and Royal stuuter stepped....
he runs route like Marshall he catches that and touch down. He slowed down…ball was thrown well
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
according to many "spectators" last week, a deep ball constitutes as a game plan.
It was fine for a while. The broncos were moving it well in the first half. If you don’t have the Buckhalter fumble, we are looking at, at least, three, maybe seven more points in the first half. The game should have been more like 24 – 7 or 20 – 7 if you don’t have the buck fumble or the stupid ST TD.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Wild overthrow?
If he isn’t held he gets that ball in stride. Also, it looks like he slowed a bit and mistimed his leap.
Orton could have laid it up more, given how open Royal was, but he couldn’t anticipate the hold.
Don’t worry. I am blaming McDaniels and his staff. They lost this game with some unparrelled stupidity.
This is my favorite website.
Play action. Send BM deep (he’ll be triple covered) and go short to Royal or the TE.
This is my favorite website.
by McGeorge on Nov 15, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol, well done, sir.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
The Defense is getting worn down
Because we can’t control the ball worth a damn in the second half. The one drive that was looking decent was ended when chris simms tried to be a hero and threw it up to Deangelo.
Well, one thing I say is if the defense is getting worn down, they need to get off the field
Force a 3 and out, if the team across the field is forcing 3 and outs, the defense needs to step up and match that.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Im not saying there isn’t any blame towards the defense. But its hard to get three and outs when your offense can’t get a first down. The offense has lost the last 3 games for us in my opinion.
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
The defense got worn down because they couldn't force a three and out
against Washington. The Washington Redskins. No, it wasn’t the Colts. Want to be less tired? Get off the field in 3 plays.
+100
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
The stats that refuse to lie
C. Simms 3/13 13YDS 1.0YPA 0TD 1INT 7.5 QB Rating
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7.5 rating dudes. seven. point. five.
makes jabarcus look like peyton
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 2:15 PM MST reply actions
I always thought Broncos fans were different
The amount of despair and lashing out around here is embarrassing.
no fans are different
a loss brings out the shite in everyone. just the way it is
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
I actually like coming on here after a loss
I feel really down about it, but seeing some of the overreactions helps me balance it out and put it in perspective.
agreed. Everything is different after a loss.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
What was most embarrassing was the Broncos performance against
a team that previously only beat other terrible teams.
Nah.
When your team has a skid, all of a sudden the same guys you were cheering for are all the ‘worst player in the NFL’ and ‘suck’ and ‘should be cut’.
Emotional extremes bring out the hyperbole in people.
I jumped on the bandwagon and I am not jumping off just because I don’t want to be seen rooting for a team that lost. I made my decision and I am sticking by my team. We all knew it wasn’t going to stay puppy dogs and ice cream.
Hunker down and prepare to be a fan.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
When was he on crutches?
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Was that after the game?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
2nd half woes
It’s hard on the defense when they are out there the entire time the score was 17-14 going into the 4th that interception killed us. When you let a team linger and when you have simms making bonehead plays this is the outcome please heal quick orton and stick to the Rockies woody
by tulsabroncofan on Nov 15, 2009 2:17 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Bradstater, get ready
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I hope Brandstater goes over Simms
cause simms did not look good at all today. I don’t care if he has not played in 2 years
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
It was disappointing, but I was not surprised
From what I saw of Simms in training camp, he had a hard time getting the ball out of his hand and being accurate, both were seen today. For someone who has been in this offense since McDaniels arrived, Simms should of perfromed better, but looks like he has not progressed.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Simms seems to have a long throwing motion. Which doesn’t help either
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
I agree Simms looked bad in the preseason
and he looked bad today. Brandstater looked nothing but good int he preseason. Tom B should be the 2 QB
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
And Brandstater is a rookie
Who rarely gets reps in practice. You want to see a disaster, put the kid in.
But let’s wait and see what Woody has to say about it. LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Blow out losses, bad losses to bad teams, injuries to some key guys, terrible coaching mistakes and soft run D.
How is this not like 2008?
This is my favorite website.
Well, we don't have a turnover prone QB, Shanny isn't our coach, and our defense
plays well if the offense doesn’t go three and out almost every possession.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
We are losing the TO battle the last few weeks, lots of picks and fumbles, our coaching has gone for strength to big liability. Just like 2008 to me.
This is my favorite website.
Do you know why we lost this game McGeorge? It was because Orton was injured.
If he played in the 2nd half, we would’ve won this game! Don’t tell me we would’ve lost even if he played. This team is nowhere near last year’s 2008 team!
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Only if you ignore what is really happening. McDaniels was awful today.
This is my favorite website.
That's funny because I didn't see McD playing in the game. This was on Priefer,
bad officiating, and injuries.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I agree with McG...
Buck stops at the HC. He was devoid of ideas when Simms was on the field, stopped running the ball……and him and Preifer must have been the only people in the continental US that culd not see the FG fake coming….seriously.
McD will be one of the greats, but he did a poor job today in the 2nd half…….it was like he decided that Simms was going in just after the start of 3rd quarter and had no game plan for it.
I am sorely disappointed. I had hope he had learned from the last 2 weeks but not so much.
Nolan struggled to bring pressure as well and we could not stop run.
I totally agree with McG…..
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I think that the plays were there, but Simms just didn't execute them.
On that deep interception, he didn’t have to go to Marshall in triple coverage. He could have just as easily ran toward the sidelines or threw it away or get it to a more open receiver.
He missed on a couple throws and made poor decisions and held the ball too long, on a few occasions. I think that McD’s hands were tied at that point, after Simms had given up that INT. There weren’t many playcalls he could have made to make Simms look any better. Simms just had to make better decisions with the plays that were called.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
Hard to argue
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
The first 6 games we completely control the
2nd half and we go 6-0. The last 3 games we get pushed around in the 2nd half and we are 0-3. The team is just not playing as well as they were.
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:19 PM MST reply actions
so......
good thing snowboarding season is here cbecause i dont know how much more i can take
Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009
Yep....
I am on the hill full time weekedns starting next week….thank God.
The NFL is a strange beast….but we were flat out bad today!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
McD: "No injurry update..only know its his ankle"
“Not Simms fault..lots of areas we failed to excecute”
“Gave up too many rushing yards..not the formula we need to win”
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
Yeah, our defense sucked this game because Simms couldn't get anything going for us on offense!
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I'm actually going to take the blame...
After B-Marsh’s second score, I sent a text that said, “The Redskins rule at football.” From that point, things went fairly downhill, so, I’m sorry.
Go Broncos.
26 net yards in the 2nd half
along with an interception & 2 failed going for it on 4th downs, just won’t cut it
defense didn’t look particularly good either
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
Unbelievable!
That was so depressing. I hope all the fans out there who wanted to bench Orton took a long look at this game. Simms was simply god-awful. I know he had little time to prepare for this game, but come on! Also as bad as Simms was, its not like our team stepped up. Wherever the intensity went after the bye week, the team needs to find it ASAP.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make a new one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 PM MST reply actions
They should
Let Brandstater play if Orton can’t go. He can do a better job than Simms. I think that his career is over.
This team is showing true colors
I have been defending this team all year. But I am at a point where I have to look back and really think about our wins. We beat Cincy with a fluke pass. We caught Dallas with both running backs hurt. We played Patriots when Brady was still not playing to his ability. We beat Raiders Browns which does not impress me. We now play teams when it counts and when they are playing a higher level than at the start of the year. Seems there is more to us than what the stats show. We beat teams early when they were not healthy or playing well yet. We now are shown what happens when we play teams that have had a few game s under their belt. There is no reason of the lack of production in the 2 games prior. Please do not tel me it’s because we played 2 great defenses. HMMMM Cincy just beat the Steelers who beat us. In the NFL you have to beat teams with grate defenses. You are not going to always play weak teams. Denver is still 1-2 years away of being sound.
Come on!
I’m as frustrated as anyone, but it’s the NFL. Literally (as we saw today) anyone can win on any given week.
by MarshallMcCard on Nov 15, 2009 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
I decided last week to not shave until the Broncos won...
Kinda figuring we’d win today. This thing is crazy itchy…can I shave now?
Simms:
“I felt ready, but it’s been a while since Ive played. Was good to be out there. We played a good team with a good defense.”
“Got ourselves in a bad situation with so many good pass rushers”
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
Really
Wow, he is the same underachiever he was at TExas and TB
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
He is a joke
he should be moved the the 3rd QB after the pathetic performance today. Brandstater had to be standing on the sideline saying to himself " I KNOW I am better then this guy"
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
hey, if there's one thing simms achieved
it’s boosting the confidence of brandstater. it’s a good point, he’s gotta be going, “well if that’s the standard, then what could i possibly do wrong?”
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
That's just mic talk.
Simms will be good in the booth when he retires. LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
How can this team win games, if they only get three first downs in the entire 2nd half?!
Can any team win with only three first downs in one half?
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Well, if the defense held WA to three first downs we might of had a chance, since we had a lead
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Answer: It can't.
LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
Was Brett Kern the key???
Just kidding. Let’s see what the team is made of now.
Well, SD is up 7-0 on the Eagles.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I’d lay my life on San Diego winning that game. There is no way we’d get somewhat of a break with Philly winning
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe is this game was played at the same time as the Broncos game...
…the Eagles would have a chance, but now that SD knows we lost, there’s no stopping them. The difference between us and them is that they know how to go for the kill.
The drive by the Skins after the Simms int was really troubling
Just another guy...on the lost highway.
Please folks do not suggest we play Brandstater
You can’t have him start going into the game we still have to play. Simms needs to get reps with the 1st string. The rookie is not going to come in against Philly Chargers Giants and have a chance. Yes Simms looked terrible but at this point he is still far better option than a rookie.
I will suggest it
Brandstater = Brady ?
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
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Rookie???
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
True, but I would say this
Simms likely is not going to give you much of anything, if Bradstater is the future, then have him get his shot and let him learn, plenty of rookie QB’s have done well.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I think if the orton injury is really serious, they might take a look at it. But I am not in a position where I feel unleashing Brandstater to the dogs is going to be beneficial to him, longterm.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
Weren't you suggesting Simms
earlier in the week? Or was that somebody else (can’t remember)?
No, I said I didn't think Simms would do any better than Orton
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
No kidding if you want to see a blowout put in Brandstater.
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
Nooo! You are totally wrong!
All you have to do is keep switching out Quarterbacks and eventually you will stumble across a guy who will magically make your defense and special teams play better, and your offensive line play more consistently.
So next week we play Brandstater and if that doesn’t work, we sign Jeff Garcia. If that doesn’t work we bring back Elway. When he breaks his hip we call Jake Plummer. Since he doesn’t have cell service in Smallville we call Bubby Brister and see what he’s up to. I am sure sooner or later we’ll trip over someone. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
I completely disagree
Simms showed us nothing good today to indicate he can play any better. He also looked bad in the preseason. Brandstater completely outplayed him in the preseason. When Brandstater was in the game was not to big for him and he had really good poise. Poise is something Simms does not have. Simms is not the answer next week. My vote is for Brandstater
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
My issue with Simms
Is decision making. Why oh why does he try throwing that deep ball to Marshall in the endzone? Terrible decision right after a great run by Moreno. And he made that decision on 1st down. That doesn’t get fixed by reps with the first team.
by Broncoholic_07 on Nov 15, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
Well
Thats the difference between Orton and Simms. I don’t think Orton throws that ball. Maybe we win the game because of it
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Wild passes
Cutler tries to throw foolish passes into coverage and gets picked off. But Simms has a history of just putting it up there. You look at the play and say ‘What the blue hell was he thinking? That wasn’t even close!’
But, I guess at least he shaves regularly and is a nice guy. That’s a plus. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
Nuke LaLoosh had it best...
“I love winning, man. It’s like, you know, better than losing?”
I really hope that there is an MHR Radio Show tonight.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
DEFENSE
I think we should worry about the defense stopping people as much as making a Q.B. change. Seems teams have found a weakness. We need the defense to step up if Orton is not playing. They need to get back to playing mistake free football and getting turnovers.
Or when their kicker is kicking it off out of bounds and giving us the ball
At the 40 yard line twice our offense should be able to score some points??
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
One of those was in the second half and simms threw that INT. The one in the first half
ended in Buckhalter fumbling the ball…we were driving down the field too.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Is that not the offense's fault?
Or are you just explaining how we failed on those drives
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
I'm saying that if simms wasn't in during the 2nd half, we would've scored on that drive.
The Buck fumble was on the offense, which is something this team needs to work on.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Yea i totally agree that was a horrible decision by Simms
Those are the mistakes that are keeping points off the board and keeping our defense on the field all game. The defense never has the luxury of playing with more then a one score lead. Forcing the other team to become 1 dimensional.
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
are you serious
The Defense was on the field for over 20 minutes in the 2nd half. They did not play well but i do not blame them from getting tired. The offense put the D in a bad position today
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
they kinda sucked the whole game tho...
so yeah… lets not go crazy making excuses for em
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
Makes me sick, I hate this hoping other teams beat or rivals, we should be able to control our own destiny
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
We still do. A win next week and all this hurt goes away.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
Lets hope the Chargers win....
we need to control our own destiny….beat the best or dont….they are the options~
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Yes because they are on the field all the time
and they get tired. Go look at the TOP in the 2nd half. This is more on the Offense then the defense
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
If you feel bad, rip off 20 or 30 pushups - you' ll feel better
Just another guy...on the lost highway.
I did, with one arm. I tore a tendon.
But it still feels better than watching the second half of that game. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
It didn't decide the game but...
that BS forward progress call on the Davis fumble/sack was the moment this game turned. If we get that, momentum would’ve carried us through
On the plus side
Orton looks like he can throw the ball more that 15-yards in the air. Which, if you listen regularly to Denver sports radio, you’d be SHOCKED by that!
You win as a team and You lose as a team
The best that can happen today is to learn from this loss and prepare for the Chargers. I hope Orton gets better soon.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make a new one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Nov 15, 2009 2:39 PM MST reply actions
Plus, I bet our defense would've been better if McBean was in. LeKevin Smith is not getting the job done.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Where is kosyong when we need him???
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Still in despair that his boytoy Chris Simms screwed the pooch.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Probably.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
That is hard to say
While I would assume that we would, there is no guarentee that he would not struggle like Simms, the defense didn’t exactly light the world on fire in the 2nd half
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
My weekend was not completely
bad at least the Nuggets destroyed the lakers on Friday night
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:42 PM MST reply actions
No kidding
I swear I saw Ebenezer Ekuban out there today.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Was there any sightings of Nate Webster losing his helmet
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
LMFAO
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Fake FG/Punt thingy
I’m not going to go back through the second quarter thread to see what people said about it, but how in the crap can that fake punt work, especially after the timeout? Was the timeout not called to figure out how to stop it? Did the Redskins not show exactly what they were going to do, leading to the Broncos timeout? Was it not the fullback who caught a thirty yard bomb from the punter? Was that not the longest completion the Redskins had all day?
here's the kicker
THE REDSKINS CALLED THE TIMEOUT
and yes, the skins showed what they were doing before the TO.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
That was Horseshit
Priefer needs to get his players prepared
by BroncosCanada on Nov 15, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
That was when I knew n my heart we were going to lose.
We got punked on that play bad. And it took so long to set up, I thought for sure it wasn’t going to work.
But that play really sort of was this game in a nutshell. Denver got outplayed by a team that was hungry to win and executed better on both sides of the ball.
One team played like they would rather die than lose. The other team played like they were already dead.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
People keep saying that.
But Denver NEVER seems to be hungry to play. This game and the next one make or break our playoff hunt. THAT’S A LOT ON THE LINE!!!!!!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Blown Coverage on the fake fg
We had a lineman trying to cover the receiver. The CB should have covered him and let the lineman cover the weakside instead. The CB waived the lineman to cover and kept in on the play. There was no way a slow, big lineman could cover the smaller, fast receiver.
It was Marcus Thomas, but honestly A. Smith blew the coverage, that was his responsibility as the dep safety
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Couldn't see
I could not see the numbers. Thanks. So it was A. Smith at the line who motioned Marcus Thomas to cover the receiver? Bad call dude!
I really disagree with the people bashing the D
Go look at the TOP and that explains it all. The D was on the field for way to long today. They are going to get tired and break down when the offense cannot do anything in the 2nd half. Today the offense and bad play calling lost us this game, not the defense. TOP 35 min redskins 24 minutes broncos. The D really misses Mcbean and Le Kevin Smith played bad but as a whole this was not on the D at all
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions
a good part of the reason
the D was on the field so long is because they failed to stop the epic third and fourth quarter drives where skins walked down the field in 6 and seven minutes. Before that TOP was even before those two drives.
I’m not buying the TOP argument. The D played poorly, and mostly in run defense.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
I am not saying the D played great
but the Offense is a huge reason we lost today. People are putting a little to much blame on the D
by gnarlybroncodude on Nov 15, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
it was all three phases
ST: Fake play
Def: Stop one of those scoring drives, get off the field
Off: Complete better than 23% of passes in the second half
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
The defense on the drive after the Simms INT was porous to every kind of play they called.
It was hard to watch. It was so obviously a very critical time in the game…
Just another guy...on the lost highway.
Good points...
If your O is constantly three and out and your D is on the field the whole game they’re going to get into trouble fast. But I really didn’t care for the effort I saw out of the defense as a whole today. There were some moments but overall I saw a lot of failed execution and lazy tackling.
A lot of it you can call fatigue but I think that there was a lack of individual effort out there today. Just my opinion.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
I understand the TOP, but bottom line is that the Defense needs to stop WA
and get the ball back, look at the Cinncy game, basically the offense played like crap most of the game and the defense kept them in it by forceing Cinncy (a much better offensive team) to punt most of the day. We controlled the TOP in the 1st half against the Steelers, yet the defense started giving up sustained drives in the 2nd half, but the Steeler defense didn’t get wore down.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
My thoughts are that this wasnt a terrible loss.
The first half we played very well IMO and we only allowed points(you cant count that fake punt TD) Our offense seemed to be going with SUPER EASE and we could of got 7 more without that fumble by buck.Great dee in 3rd quarter and our dee played pretty bad in the 4th considering we had like -7 passing yards in the 2nd half.
I think anytime you lose to a two-win team...
It’s a terrible loss. If I know Redskins fans (and after living in DC for five years, I do a little bit), I’d say they’re buying their Super Bowl tickets as we speak.
by MarshallMcCard on Nov 15, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
I like your optimism, but a lose to a WA team that was without Portis and patchwork O-line
bad IMO
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
They lost to the team that lost to Detroit.
No, this isn’t the same Redskins team that lost to Detroit in week 3 but this IS a team that we should have beaten today. I appreciate your optimism, but in my mind, you can’t overlook that.
That was an ugly thing that happened today.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
again, noone, not the pats colts or anyone else would even score a single point with simms at qb.
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 15, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Yes,
Because he is the worst person to ever play Quarterback ever in the history of the universe and nobody has ever been or will be worse ever for all time.
We’ve established that.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
Now Coach knows that Tom B needs to run....
some first team reps if KO can’t go this week.
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)
Revised to 12-4 due to reality!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Yeah
no fun in watching implosion. Read: 2008. I’m not saying that we will implode, but I don’t like this feelling today.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I saw that, too.
did we have ANY 3 and outs? 1 maybe? after the fumble recovery?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Anyone who is placing the majority of the blame on the Defense
In the second half the offense racked up an incredible 36 yards of offense, and 9 Minutes of TOP. In a game that we were winning at Halftime. I don’t know of many Defenses who can shut a team out when your offense plays that badly in the second half.
C'mon 7-3!!
Lets hope Ryan Harris and Kyle Orton can get over their injuries this week.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
SD 14 EAGLES 0
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Oh please God...
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
CAN WE LEASE DAWKINS BACK TO THE IGGLES FOR THE DAY?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Sorry bout the caps
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
My random thoughts
This team is now no different in my mind than last years team. Blowing a big lead in the standings. Losing to poor teams. Poor tackling. Getting run over on the ground for three games in a row. Getting scored on with a ridiculous “fake” kick which was shown before a timeout.
Is everyone done with the Simms garbage now? 3/13 yards 1 INT and 3 sacks vs. Orton 11/18, 193 yards 2 TD. And it’s not like Simms had the disadvantage of having to make a comeback, we were protecting a lead after the half. Also I don’t want to hear about throwing downfield anymore.
Berger still sucks.
I’m getting tired of having to say this, but we got hosed by the officiating again. Not as bad as the Pittsburgh game, but the Stokely “bobble” was actually a catch (though no big deal, doesn’t change much) then immediately after that play we have the no call on running into Berger. The guy literally ran into the kicker, that is the definition of that penalty. Then on the ensuing drive, Campbell’s “forward progress is stopped” on a sack and fumble where he was still moving forward. How can forward progress be stopped when he is still moving forward? They even replayed it and no whistle blew until after the play. The official should have just said “the ruling on the field is that Denver cannot challenge the last play”.
One final thought: STOP FUMBLING THE FREAKIN BALL.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
one more thought I forgot about
We aren’t defending passes at all. We were leading the league through our first six games in PD. We had two today, two vs. Pitt, three vs. Baltimore. We were averaging 5.67 per game before the Baltimore game. This is also another thing that reminds me of last years team.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
At least now we'll have a ready excuse.
Just looking for the positives.
Just another guy...on the lost highway.
He'll have a chance to prepare
The game looked too fast for him today.
But truly — karma is a bitch. Orton looked about ready to open it up, Moreno looked like a number one draft pick, and POW!
Life in the NFL. And frankly, many Bronco “fans” deserved that second half this week.
his progressions
were terrible. If his first receiver wasn’t open (he threw at this person several times anyways, see marshall interception, Scheffler getting laid out) then he didn’t know what to do next and usually barely avoided a sack after that.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
bad loss
the bottom line some teams took us for grantned the first 6 weeks the last 3 there is a book on us and teams are takeing adv of us yes if we win next week we are in contal again but SD is playing well if we have orton next week we have a chanage without him we are torst here why we lost num 1 orton got hurt num 2 fake punt 3 3000 plane ride 4 couild not stop the run in a weird way this is a good loss nfc loss will not count against us in afc tiebreakers but we are a 9-7 10-6 type of team as of now here is the pecking order in my view 1 INDY 2 CINY 3 NE 4 SD 5 PITT 6 DEN/HOUBALT
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
LOS
We won’t win again until we can regain some semblance of at least equality on both sides of the LOS.
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