I agree. It is very frustrating to have people just give up on the team after three losses and say “orton sucks” or “McDaniels sucks” etc, without giving reasons why. Reasoned discussions are what make MHR great. Maybe there should be a separate thread for people who want to have informed discussion, rather than just emotional ranting???

and also as a lifelong fan who didnt follow too closely until the last 3-4 years, i get the whole learning the game thing. its like, i am learning (primarily from this site) enough about football to know how complex the game is.

 more goes into one play than could ever be dissected in a flash judgement on game day threads. that is what is so utterly frustrating about the kind of commentary from some folks on the game day thread.

 i get it, i holler about a missed tackle, or getting scored on. but come on, coach>fan.

i am a contractor by trade. i get really pissed when a homeowner has watched a few episodes of “flip my house” or something and then attempts to complete a complex project without adequate skills, tools, or knowledge.

Know your limits. we are fans, cheer, cry, but get down off the opinion horse.

information from the staff on MHR overcomes the negativity (at least for me). Good luck with whatever website you pick next.

what is great about this site, is you can choose to read the articles by the thoughtful contributors, and ignore the fluff and folly by the other idiots.

And I hope to continue to see what you bring to the table. If the posters like you bail, then the rest of us are left with the Kosyongs of the world.

Not pretty.

Because of the great contributors here at MHR, I’ll still read their excellent posts. However, my days of reading the garbage spewed by many, is over. I was fortunate to find this site this spring and will always appreciate the wisdom, but now the negativity and crudity is replacing the polite, civil discourse of the past. The Broncos will always be my team and have been these nearly 47 years, but I will never use foul names for players or coaches. That’s not real fans do.

Flag the comments….You guys and gals are the site’s police. Flag a comment or post – when a magic number is reached, they get deleted.

Flag the comments….You guys and gals are the site’s police. Flag a comment or post – when a magic number is reached, they get deleted.

I am in blissful ignorance of the game day threads because I watch the game instead of participating in the threads.

It’s great to share the experience with you guys, and there have been a few times where I’ve had to be ‘checked’ or talked down from the edge by other members. I’ve since become much more aware of my own conduct not only on the GD threads, but on other posts as well. It’s made me a much more civil fan, without diminishing my enthusiasm.

What I could do without are the constant requests for feeds. I know how it sucks to not get the game on the TV, but those feed comments get really tedious, really quick.

After 3 straight losses, McGeorge will be back at full song this week! LOL

when the cautiously optimistic leave, negativity wins.

I’ve been accused of being a Kool-Aid-aholic, but that’s just my way of being a fan. I enjoy researched and reasoned commentary, and tend to do my best to ignore the less than polite spewers of unsupported opinion.

Don’t leave or the trolls win.

I haven’t been on the game posts this year because enjoy watching and unless I had a feed on my computer, I didn’t have time to post and watch the game, or enjoy the game. So I can’t really see what has been posted or not.

That being said, if a fan is angered at the play, that is part of the whole fan expereince. Some people are going to be pissed, they have a level of emotional investment in the team and their success. You seem to not have that emotional level of investment, which is fine, but it is a spectrum. I grew up a fan and the Broncos meant more to me than the just a football team, they represented my state and my family, their success and failure was important to me, especially when Iived out of state in the heart of 49er and Raider country during the 80’s. So I understand when people get pissed, they want succes, maybe it is an unreasonable expectation, but I understand the feelings and passion. Trust me, the same things were said in the 80’s when we were going to the SB and not winning.

I guess I would suggest, if you are really that offended, just watch the game and turn the computer off. But I want fans that are passionate about the team, that expect and demand success, that don’t say, oh well, you tried, that’s good enough.

Your choice, but I’d rather you stick around.

I’m not good enough typist to even bother with game day threads.

One thing I will say though, we were having a pretty good football game until Kyle went out with his injury. Great teams overcome adversity, adapt and persevere. Their was not one chance in a cow paddy that we should have lost that game. Kyle can’t carry the whole team, it takes the other 52 players and we didn’t see that leadership on the field today in the second half. Being 6-3 is still managable but it is getting more and more difficult for them to survive this kind of defeat. Again, sorry if I said anything out of character.

They can spew all the garbage they want. I will stay and try my best for civil, educated debate.

but honestly I take them for what they are worth….I agree with you Cowboy there are a lot of dumb comments in there. They’re fueled by emotional overreactions. But let’s be honest…I don’t go to the gameday thread for intelligent information or discourse anyway. For anyone who knows me on this site I tend to joke around and keep things light. That’s why I go there, to joke around with some of my Bronco buddies because lord knows theres not many of them where I live (at least I don’t know many). I’m with you 100% on thoughtless negativity issue but I’ve learned through the years how to ignore ignorance and stupidity. Let’s face it man, the majority of people in this world stupid, I don’t have the figures but I read a study that 75% of the population has an 80 IQ or something along those lines, so it’s very easy to let stupidity cheese you but if you can develop the skill to take it for what it’s worth then it won’t bother you as much.

good to hear others points and hear other perspectives of the game. Good back and forth debates is also great stuff, just really really hate reading all the cussing.

Seems like it is happening more often. A great sign of disrespect of others and a clear sign of lack of education and intellegence.
Wish we could flag these people off for good. I can read these on way to many other sites.
MHR is still the best of them all.
So, stick around and maybe just maybe we can all flag the offensive disrespectful ones out of here…..

The problem is that the more time I spend on the site when the team is losing is that there is less and less to be gained from listening to the constant stream of negativity, bitterness, and lack of intelligent discourse. Sure there is some of it still, but taking part in the game day thread today made me realize that, frankly, many of the people who take part in the community on this site don’t appeal to me, and have ruined the site for me.

Last night…I learned my lesson. With internet too crappy to watch over a decent feed, my only sources for info are KOA, nfl.com and the game threads on MHR if I miss a call or whatever…however, last night I learned my lesson, and I will not be participating in the game threads anymore. I might have let out a few “WTF?” here and there after a strange call here and there, but thats about as far as I go…… I now realize the constant stream of negativity that crosses my eyes in those topic is affecting my personal thoughts about this team, and I dont want that to happen, cuz I love this team, no matter what happens.

From now on I will only read the posts from valuable contributers and ignore the rest. I want to personally thank John, Jeremy, Steve, Tim, Doug, Emmeth, Ted and TJ, as well as some of you regular posters with quality articles (you know who you are) for making this site my favourite Broncos site. Thank you for increasing my football knowledge!

This of course is not new… but I thought that in your post that you posted at 2:31 you said you were DONE with this site!!! yet you stuck around to reply 11 times and your last one was at 5:05 does that mean you weren’t really done but you were desperately seeking a way to get some attention or are you waffling? I find it positively amazing that you received 70+ replys to this kind of whining… what do you expect? Do you really think that this is your world and we are all just living in it? DO you really think that every Bronco fan on this world must think the same way you do or your going to have a temper tantrum and tell the kindergarten teacher that YOU will not stand for this and YOU are going to leave the class room? Get over yourself and realize that all of the people on this site are Denver Bronco fans and have every right to express themselves in any way they want and if you don’t like it then don’t come back… I say Adieu or maybe get a little thicker skin…

I share many of your feelings, and you’ve started a good conversation, lovewatchin’s obnoxious comment notwithstanding. Sure people can say whatever they want, and I have no problem with expressions of the frustration we all feel when the team performs badly, but when that frustration turns into name-calling and disrespecting those who we feel are to blame, I wish that we, as fans, would strive for better. There are many fans who identify with the team when things are going well (“we”), and then immediately dis-identify with the team when they’re not (“they”), just because it feels good to lash out and blame someone. That’s the way some of us are wired, but it’s tiresome, it’s not productive, and it implies, as you point out, that we know more than we do. I don’t expect these comments to go away, but I’d like to think that we can all strive for better. If we really think we’re smarter than the coaches, we should take a page from McDaniels’ playbook (increasingly criticized as it is these days :). You’ll notice just as many “we’s” in McDaniels post-loss press conferences as in the post-wins.

I hope you stick around.

Here come the Chargers. They just beat the Eagles to tie the Broncos for the division. Their defense is starting to jell. And L.T. is going to have a baby.

Lets roll. All Ready.

But with age, I now just sit back and watch and try not to bum out anyone around me if it’s going poorly. Remember, it’s all meant to be entertainment. Don’t take it so personally and keep it all in perspective (hard as that is to do sometimes, the kettle said). If I were you, I’d stick around, but get more selective about what you read and where you contribute – and skip the game day threads.
Go Broncs!

Where are you going to go to avoid negative people? Job site? School? Church? Family?

I don’t like having to coexist with them, either. But I’m a realist: I know that they only place absolutely to avoid the jerks and dorks of the world is the grave . . . and I’m certainly not ready to go there.

Moreover, if I can hang around and make positive contributions (and even criticisms of the team, coaches, and players can be positive), I add to the power over the positive on the site. If I leave, however, I take some of that power away.

You can stay and make your positive contributions, or you can think about yourself and go look for that utopia, which does not exist. It’s up to you . . .

I must say that most of the members that have been around awhile would tell you that I used to be one of the biggest commentors on game day threads, but not this year. It’s just old.

Hell even, when I say something negative its construed to be “not being a fan” or if I say something positive it becomes “kool-aid drinker”. I barely comment anymore.

John will get things back on track, that’s a fact.

Which is worse – fan posts that you can choose to ignore based on source or media commentators and analysts, who claim to be experts, get paid, and fill you with useless, inaccurate hooey. I for one prefer MHR for all of the insight provided!

I am embarrased about the negative things I say and how brash I am about my players and coaches in the heat of the moment during a game. I look over at my wife and her expression says, "you’re crazy for starters and why are you screaming for that player to pull his head out of his butt when four plays ago you were saying how much you loved him?" I tend to just look away at that point…, but I have NEVER let that emotion lead me to post something here, you my brethren are already hurting with me, and don’t need me to remind you of the bad play, call or whaterever….
My point is that the in-game thread should be scraped, it’s creating division amongst a great group of fans and if someone wants to express their emotion during the game let them do it somewhere else.!

the one thing that drives me nuts is the way some folks say things with such authority. You’re dead on, most of us are nothing more than fans with day jobs. I realize that not all “football guys” are that much more knowledgeable about football than any given hardcore fan, but the coaches and scouts at the NFL level are the cream of the crop and put so much work into what they do, that I find it hard to second-guess things like draft picks, playcalls, game plans, etc. and maintain a shred of intellectual honesty.

Not that one shouldn’t criticize—just try to add a little humility. Using phrases like, “In my opinion…”, “I think…”, would go a long way to easing tension. Saying “how in the world could McDanials trade a first round pick for A Smith? What an idiot!” is much different than saying “I just don’t understand what McDanials is thinking. A first round pick for an undersized DB seems way too steep to me”, but those two phrases mean essentially the same thing. I wouldn’t mind it if Pat Kirwin was calling McD an idiot because he’s been there, but some guy on the internet named ButteBronco? Please.

There has been a change in the tenor of the comments, and occasional the posts, in the last several weeks. As a more obvious example, last week a member “stated out loud”, if you can do that in a typed comment, that he was hoping for KO to be injured so Simms could play. When it occurred, he states in a post this week that he had cheered during the game when the injury occurred. Any fan can be for or against a particular player starting, but in the end it is the coach making the decision. Feeling that they cannot cannot control the coach’s choices, some cross the line, and start hoping for injury, or for failure in performance, etc… hoping fate will step in and show that they were right all along. Rooting for an obviously damaging outcome for an individual in order to get to a desired outcome feels like the arrogance, or lack of consideration for the oneness of humanity, or lack of class, or something. Arrogance, lack of class, however you want to word it, was not very evident when I started following this site in March. Justified or not, I find myself enjoying my experience at MHR less—- enough less to understand the fanpost here, but not enough to give up…. (and before you say it, I realize that it is not anyone’s job to make my experience enjoyable.) What can be done? Well, since
I do not believe we can
   a) expect a broad spectrum of fans to agree
   b) expect all, or even most, fans to moderate themselves at all times to meet a high standard of conduct (who would define the standard in the myriad of shades of gray in “lack of class”…. and in the end, after all, some members find their own sense of identity by the character they project in the tenor of their responses; the latter is strong disincentive to change)
   c) enforce outside moderation on any but the most out-of-line comments

then it seems that all I can do is respectfully request that each member try to find in themselves the most classy way of projecting their thoughts that is consistent with their image. Unfortunately, I also do not believe that will result in much change…what I consider civil and classy some would point at as being weakness in standing up for their opinions, and they will not find it in themselves to moderate to the standards that this site has promoted as its goal.
Sorry for carrying on this long, but I have truly enjoyed my Bronco-rooting at MHR more than even talking football with my friends, and since I really do enjoy my friends, this is saying a lot. I think others may feel as I have described, because some of the members I most enjoyed are fairly quiet nowadays. I don’t want to lose more friends.

Better to stick to the discussion threads by the mods, ST&NO, wrap-up threads, etc., that seems to be where most of the intelligent discussion is. I’ve been on blogs where the game threads are actually funny and enjoyable, but they move way too fast here for me to even keep up AND watch the game.

MHR it’s like lays chips you can’t eat just one. But I appreciate your frustrations.

It will be for the people who prefer their game discussion to remain positive with little emotional outburst. I will hang out in there for a little while, and I’ll probably jump bakc and forth between that post and the main thread, because I enjoy the occasional emotional outburst. However, my dad watches games with the kneejerk method, and I hate it. He will call a game and turn it off with 13 minutes left in the the 3rd quarter. Makes me livid. But he’s a Cowboys fan, so whatever.

We shall see if segregation makes this any more bearable for anyone. If we are going to argue over cookies, I’ll make chocolate chip for those who want chocolate chip, and peanut butter for those who want peanut butter. Myself, I like a little peanut-butter-chocolate-chip, depending on my mood, so I’ll be as ubiquitous as possible.

I love all you guys/gals (and I haven’t been drinking tonight). I don’t post much, but I enjoy commenting, and I enjoy the jokes and the comraderie on this site, even if I don’t agree with the reaction of everyone. I am surprised to say that I am an old-timer compared to many posters who joined this offseason; I began lurking regularly on this site in April, 2008, I believe, so I have a year on many of you.

There are few Broncos fans in my neck of the woods, and my best friend who is a Broncos fan up and moved to Japan, so these threads are how I enjoy my games. Yes, they move much faster now, and not everyone agrees with how the threads should be used. Personally, I don’t mind the emotion as much as I mind the constant play-by play. I am guilty of participating in it, but really, who needs 25 people saying “1st down, Moreno!” in separate posts? My point is, each person has his or her own preferred way of watching the game.

I’m going to try the segregated positive/intellectual thread and see if it moves any slower. Those of you who’d like to join may do so for the sd game. This excites me in terms of a social experiment!

It’s only a game, and it’s all good. GO BRONCOS!

this is the best ‘good day sir’ post i ever read

can i be your gangster of love ?