Broncos display a Team Effort in loss to Redskins
by John Bena on Nov 15, 2009 2:44 PM MST
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PrintFootball is the ultimate team game. Quarterbacks get way too much credit when thing go well and too much blame when the wheels come off. Perhaps there is no better example than the past three weeks. Kyle Orton was under the microscope so much this past week that many - including Woody Paige - were asking for Chris Simms to get his shot this weekend against the Redskins. Karma has a funny way of screwing with you.
The Broncos, behind Orton, scored on touchdown passes of 40 and 75 yards to Brandon Marshall. Orton was 11/18 for 193 yards in the first half. Then Kyle got hurt on the final play of the half, a nasty ankle twist that kept him out of the game. In came Simms and, well, most of you know the rest. Simms struggled mightily and the Broncos lost to the Redskins 27-17. The offense failed to score a single point and Simms could muster just 13 yards on 3/13 in the 2nd Half.
That would only tell part of the story. It is not the fault of Simms - not entirely - but it is an easy answer. The defense and special teams had their part in the loss as well.
We'll start with the defense. Right from the start, the Redskins were able to run the ball behind a patchwork offensive line and back-up running back Ladell Betts. Betts finished with 114 yards on 26 carries(4.4 ypc). As a team, the Redskins shredded the Broncos for 174 yards on 40 attempts. It's funny what a solid running game ca do for a quarterback. Behind efficient running running that kept the Redskins 'on schedule' Jason Campbell was able to play mistake-free football - 17/26, 193 yards, 1 TD.
For the Broncos, it was an odd game-plan to say the least, especially after Simms entered the game. After struggling to run the ball last week, the Broncos got the running game going today in a big way - 22 carries, 120 yards(5.5 ypc). Knowshon Moreno SHOULD have his first 100 yard day - playcalling kept him from getting it 0 as he ran 18 times for 97 yards(5.4) ypc. Josh McDaniels seemed to quick to go away from the run, especially with Simms at QB. To me, that was the difference - the Redskins dedicated themselves to running the ball, the Broncos did not. In a game that was close throughout, the Redskins doubled the Broncos run attempts for the game.
Then there is the Special Teams. Perhaps the play that turned the tide of the entire season for the Broncos - a fake FG that was so poorly played(twice) that the Redskins were able to run the play AFTER showing it and calling timeout. The final blame lies with the Head Coach, of course, but the Broncos should definitely be in the market for a Special Teams coach. The Redskins lined up for a 53-yard FG, and right before calling a time out showed their fake formation. After the time out, the 'Skins ran the play, with Hunter Smith throwing a TD pass to Mike Sellers. Smith had the time to roll all the way to his right and the arm strength to throw the ball back across to his left - quite athletic, but embarrassing that the Broncos let it happen. Denver led 14-7 at that point, and seemed in control. Now, with the game tied, the stage was set for what would happen next with Orton going down.
So where does that leave the Broncos? For one, we'll have to watch the scoreboard a bit closer. The Chargers and Eagles are playing as we speak and a San Diego win means the two teams would be tied when San Diego comes calling. The Broncos also need to find out the status of Orton for next Sunday, and fast.
As for karma? There is no time in the NFL for 'I told ya so's. Kyle Orton is the starting quarterback of the Denver Broncos for a reason - unfortunately that reason was found out the hard way.
All is not lost, Broncos fans, far from it. The Broncos still control their destiny - whatever that may be,
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thanks for staying positive bena
makes it easier for me to do the same.
MHR radio tonight?
Reading the Open Thread actually cheered me up.
Manic lunacy can be very funny. I like your analysis too John. Was I the only one who thought this would be a tough game? Coming off a short week, traveling across the country to play under pressure against a good defensive team that has nothing to lose isn’t necessarily an ideal position. Then you give up a huge play to keep the team in the game and lose your starting QB right before halftime.
For all those bashing Simms, give me a break. Backups get very few reps during the week and he faced a very good pass rush for much of the second half. I realize he’s an NFL QB and must be ready, but he hasn’t played in a meaningful NFL game in a very long time, which is why those that were calling for him were either disingenuous (Woody) or not very bright.
For those bashing the defense, get a clue. That team was on the field for the entire second half and gassed. The offense needed to be more productive. Leaving the defense out there the entire half again is just asking for a gashing.
For those basing the coaching, whatever. I guess you can argue the playcall on the INT, but obviously the deep ball was a big part of the gameplan and I can guess that they assumed they could catch WAS off-guard with Simms in the game. That’s all any of us can do— guess and assume, and when it comes to coaching and it’s always easy to second guess, so I rarely take anyone serious when they start talking that shiiiiiiiit. Bottom line, Simms made a bad decision and a bad throw on that play, neither has much to do with coaching. As for the big play on ST, that’s all it was, a big play. The players were sucked into the play-side action and blew an assignment on the guy to the left. I really don’t see how that’s coaching either. That said, ST has been terrible in general this year and you have to put that on the coordinator and head coach.
Am I pissed about the game? Hell yes. Do I think this team is in serious trouble? Yes I do. They need to find a way to win ball games again. Losing streaks are dangerous, and SD has the momentum whether they win today or not.
The defense was on the field for the entire second half for a reason
They didn’t get off the field. They didn’t stop them. That’s why they were on the field so much. Want to rest more? Get a three and out. Get a six and out. Get a stop. They didn’t.
They did in the third Q. The Redskins were held scoreless in the third quarter.
You can only go to that well so many times in a game. Over 20 minutes of TOP in the second half is unacceptable, but the Offense having it for less than 10 is even more unacceptable.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
GIVE ME A BREAK
The only reason the vaunted D wasn’t out there the entire first half is because the skins could not get out of there own way. Either he was missing guys WIDE OPEN!!!! Or WIDE OPEN guys were dropping balls.
John Bena, being the voice of reason, once again.
What time is MHR radio tonight?
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The Detroit Lions beats the Redskins and the Broncos couldn't - LOL
That is funny and terribly depressing
Maybe I take things too seriously,
but I don’t think this is funny. I don’t see how you could think that. Different strokes, I guess. I’m with you on depressing, but not funny.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Defense
I just don’t understand what’s happened to the dynamic defense of the first half of the season. It’s the same guys, but they are playing without confidence.
oru lack of offense
did you see the stats during teh game? 2nd half of games TOP is like 65 min to 18 min now or something like that. They’re just getting completely worn down
That doesn't explain it
They shouldn’t be worn down IMMEDIATELY. It’s not as though the Redskins only starting driving in the 4th quarter after being shut down. They drove ALL GAME LONG. So how does tired explain that?
that doesnt explain it
Some people said the same thing after the pittsburgh game. Fact is our d wasnt on the field at all in the 1st half and pittsburgh came out from the opening drive of the 2nd half and slammed it down our throats.Problem goes much deeper than just being on the field 2 long.
by johnnyurrotten on Nov 15, 2009 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
The defense had only given up 10
Heading into the 4th.
174
Rushing yards allowed to the redskins. Thats troubling, dont care how many points allowed until the 4rth.
by johnnyurrotten on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Teams have 8 games of film on us now
That’s what happens in the NFL. Other teams have made adjustments to attack our weaknesses. If the weaknesses are too great to be overcome with our own adjustments, then we will continue to be hurt. There’s no where to hide.
Thanks for the positive words, John.
I have to admit I’m depressed at the moment, but I’ll try to keep my chin up.
Looking forward to your take on MHR Radio, but will probably have to listen to the Podcast.
I thought we shouldve brought orton back in for that first series in the second half
If he could move us down the field and we couldve gotten a bigger cushion then we couldve taken him out committed to the run and let Simms finish the game .
We had momentum going into the half offensively and totally lost it when MCdaniels let Orton come back the sideline like he was gonna come into the game and then to send Simms in .
Next week will map out our season for us though and just as we gout all the bounces the first few weeks the last 3 weeks we havent gotten any so we just have to keep plugging away and the ball will bounce our way again .
But...he was hurt...
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
Wouldn't want to extend his injury for next week's important game.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
I think this defense is wore out
That or Ryan McBean is the best DL nobody knows about, but this defense has played progressively worse every week. They are getting out hit and manhandled as the game wears on, I have to wonder if all the hitting in training camp has lead to this team being worn out. I am really going to be curious to see if McDaniels fires his guy in Pfiefer, it is not like he is a holdover from Shanahan.
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bailey is clapping hands after too many catches.
these old guys looked tired. not sayin, just sayin.
could it be a factor? yeah. its not the only thing, just one.
not to bash on bailey, he is still a rock. just out of character on a few plays last 2 weeks
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Nov 15, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
He is also the prettiest man in football.
You leave poor Champ alone. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Good point Broncoman
Ryan McBean is the best DL nobody knows about, but this defense has played progressively worse every week
Since McBean got hurt, we’ve found out that his work, silent as it often was, made a heck of a difference. You know that i love to break down each play. My thought since week 3 has been, “Ryan is playing a role on nearly all the plays, one way or the other.” Losing him has hurt, but there are obviously other problems.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
and your right
Defense is definitley wore down. 3 straight weeks running backs have punched us in the mouth. We cant contain the run to the outside. Pittsburgh started the trend and washington followed suit.
by johnnyurrotten on Nov 15, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Gashed
Defensive line was the biggest worry before the season began and it seems to be apparent that the defense cannot stuff the run at all. I am not going to blame the offense for the defense getting worn out…..The Broncos will continue to lose if the defense cannot stop the run
As always, Mr Bena puts it in perspective.
It’s a team effort that wins and loses games. There were some positives today but sadly far more negatives. Nailing Chris Simms to the wall with the adjective gun is an easy out. The defense had some issues but you can’t lay this all at their feet either. McDaniels is the coach and the buck stops with him – he could have done some things better but really – a lot of things went wrong today.
They lost as a team.
I’m just glad it isn’t my job to fix it in time for the Chargers next week. I’m just glad I am not on that flight back to Denver.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I am going to go bury myself in the snow. Thaw me out after the 2010 draft. LOL
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super draft pick Heyward bey
drops a TD pass.
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Dear God...
I will just tell my Bronco hating friends to go ahead and fire off their insults now…
But I am going to keep the faith. If Simms takes first team reps all week maybe he’ll shake some of the rust off.
I know, don’t bother telling me I am wishing on stars. But what else can you do? There’s plenty of other people doing the doom and gloom thing. In fact all the McDaniels haters who were here at the beginning who suddenly disappeared are coming out of the woodwork like termites again.
I am going to leave the ugly to them. I am preparing for the possibility of crushing disappointment, but I hope for the best.
I am just glad you can’t see my tears of despair on the internet. You can’t, can you? LOL
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
Keep the faith...
remember how awful Orton looked in the scrimmage, and all 4 of the PreSeason games.
Simms should be better.
not trolling
But to those Denver fans that blasted me for my commentary on Denver leading up to the Broncos/Steelers, well, I won’t go there.
Tough loss today. Next week should be very, very interesting.
Steelers got beaten up today too. Brutal league to be such a passionate fan of. The highs are high; the lows are very low.
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Agreed. Tough week for both teams and both fanbases.
So far, that article that was written about teams that lose to the broncos become great is holding true.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
Tough game for the Steelers
I don’t know if you got slammed here or elsewhere – if it was here, I’m surprised. We like visitors and conversation. Cincy is obviously for real – and Pitt has a good shot at a rematch by being the wildcard team. Best of luck.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
all good, part of the fun of the fan exchanges each week
It was on my site in response to what I thought was a well measured post.
Still lots of season left. We’ll see what McDaniels is made of in year one of what I’m confident will be a solid career. It should be more evident now that the Broncos roster is quite flawed and still in need of some key pieces. But some tactical adjustments and just a few players elevating their game and the Broncos could still hold on and win the division.
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by Michael Bean on Nov 15, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry to hear that...
…but I am pretty confident and hopeful that any Denver fans being tools on your site are not from MHR. This really is a pretty friendly and classy group…
Your coach should have listened to the letter
Of course you lost…that’s what happens the weak after beating the Broncos. Had you lost, you would have gone on a winning spree.
yes
Skins are better off without Portis. He’s been playing at 75-80% since middle of last year and their offense is designed to feature him waaay too much for his abilities at this stage in his career.
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by Michael Bean on Nov 15, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
True. I need to either pick Dallas over wash or Minnisota over seattle. What would you go for?
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 15, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Easy
Denver beat Dallas but lost to Washington who was defeated by Detroit which means that Denver is better than Dallas but not as good as Washington but probably better than the Lions so…therefore…um…I mean…uh…
Crap. Go for the Vikes. Does that count as a prediction?
I have a headache.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Come on, I am joking.
I have to find SOMETHING to laugh about today.
If you put a gun to my head I would say the Dallas game could go either way but the Vikings outmatch the Hawks by a mile.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
lol i was joking too.
damit im in a survivor pool and we have to pick one game a week to win. I REALLY REALLY really dont like to go with away teams no matter the spread but i might have to this week since i dont trust minny over seattle or dallas over wash. OK, who shood i go with, cincy IN oakland or Pitt IN kanses city. Remember that the eagles recently beat philly IN oakland.
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 15, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
I would wager on a competitive game.
But I am out of the prediction business this year. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Nov 15, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Hah!
I called a 20-0 win. I thought our D was ready to step up…. So sad.
by legendarywalton on Nov 15, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
That ST touchdown
was all on Alphonso Smith. He should be aware of his man. Especially as a DB. If they go ahead and punt, the ball goes in the end zone, anyway.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
That ST touchdown
was all on Alphonso Smith. He should be aware of his man. Especially as a DB. If they go ahead and punt, the ball goes in the end zone, anyway.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
there was some confusion
I saw the DBs looking at each other in confusion. You can say that ‘phonz’ should have covered the receiver but there’s short coverage and run support responsibilities to worry about, too.
I’m not apologizing for the blown coverage but it’s the type of play that you don’t see very often. Also, it’s hard for defenders to realize that the holder could make a long, across-the-field throw.
A well executed ‘trick’ play can made the opponent look bad. There’s still no excuse, it’s just something we have to be better prepared for.
no goats, no glory.
Yeah, but when the other team lines up for the trick play twice
Someone really should be onto it the second time. Just a real failure of alertness all around.
watch the plays again
they are two different trick plays, and I think that the plan all along was to use the first one to get Denver to show how they would react , and the second was designed to take advantage of it.
Ont eh first play, one guy flared out to the left before the timeout. This caused a coverage guy to rotate over to him and for another player to drop back to play a safety role.
On the second play TWO players flared out to the left, and Denver did exactly the same coverage. As the second player flared out, the confusion at the line was obvious. Several Broncos were standing and looking to the sideline and into the backfield, even as the ball was snapped. When the play drifted to the right, you could see only one guy in underneath coverage on two receivers on the left….one or the other was going to get open. The defender stayed underneath, that uncovered the deep receiver, the rest was history.
On the snap before the TD, I thought, “Priefer is out of my doghouse, look at how prepared the Broncos were to cover that trick play, great situational awareness.” But then they came out and lined up the second time to do the trick, and as soon as I saw the confusion at the line, my heart dropped. Priefer might be able to train and teach certain situations during the week in practice, but he doesn’t seem to be able do it in the heat of battle. I think he is out of his league, and he is being outclassed by opponents on a regular basis.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 1:13 AM MST up reply actions
The key thing to remember here
is that it was Washington which called that timeout. If Denver had called the timeout, I would be more inclined to think the original coverage was flawed, but as it is, I think the original coverage was solid, but that it was easily adjusted for. A deeper planner than Priefer may have had additional calls ready in case they varied the trick play after seeing your defense for it. A quicker thinker than Priefer might have called a timeout of their own once they saw the adjustment.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 1:26 AM MST up reply actions
confusion and communication
As it was, the 273 lb Sellers was the target for a long, across field throw from a holder. I’m not an apologist for lack of preparation but that’s an unusual defensive call to make. I can see how the defense might think that something else was in the works.
Instinct can be your enemy, at times. And good players, especially less experienced ones, rely on their instincts because that’s how they’re to able make so many plays. Staying with your assignment (when you actually know what it is) requires the discipline to ignore what you see and read. It’s a hard task, especially for players who have honed their instinctive abilities. The term ‘discipline’ is overused but it’s appropriate here. Players need to have the discipline to stay with an assignment even when they believe the play is going elsewhere. It takes a special form of confidence in the wisdom of the scheme and your teammates’ ability to tend to their assignments (which can sometimes be unwarranted) and the discipline to ignore your instincts.
Regarding Priefer — he was the only hire that I had doubts about from the beginning. His reputation in KC was not good. I have to wonder about his ability as a teacher. It’s just a hunch but — there’s a disconnect that often develops between teacher and students, and it occurs when knowledgeable teachers fail to understand the perspective of their students. At its heart it’s personality problem, since disciplined, organized personality types are usually ill-equipped to teach people who aren’t that way. Ordering your charges to execute tasks doesn’t work well, although it works for them, and these types become one-trick ponies at teaching. The trap is in assuming your students are like you and respond to the same teaching methods that you would, and the problem is in developing communication with students who live in worlds that aren’t so black and white.
no goats, no glory.
veering slightly off topic in an unfrequented thread
but your point on instinct brings up another issue which I feared greatly going into the Baltimore game, but which I haven’t thought about recently due to our losing skid and the other issues that the skid is highlighting.
What I feared was the “broken play”: a QB sack that goes awry, leaving the QB standing, or a RB who instinctually cuts back against the grain behind the line of scrimmage…. this all looks terribly similar to how we play on special teams a lot of the times, especially when the field reverses, though there is no clear reason why it would.
I shared my thoughts on it with my dad, saying that I suspected that they (our defensive units) were so busy doing their jobs, that they weren’t yet able to play instinctually when their job ceased to exist. I don’t know if the answer lies in their comfort level with the scheme and the weekly clues the coaching staff is relating to them about opponent tendencies, or if there is another, deeper, level of their “jobs” that they need to learn in order to consistently follow along with the broken play.
Statistically such plays represent a small subset of what we face, yet we have been hurt significantly by them, especially in the losses, and especially in critical junctions. It seems like a poster child for situational football.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
team intelligence and inexperience
We’re still a team that hasn’t played together for very long. And the dilemma is that the greater-than-the-sum-of-parts increase in team intelligence develops with time and a continuity of leadership. Special Teams stars such as current coach Keith Burns are valuable properties but it takes time to develop that type of star and unit cohesion that enables him.
I’ve seen some improvement on STs despite what our ‘chicken littles’ say, but we’re just at the beginning of developing our STs as true units. You have to start somewhere (or when). And I wouldn’t want to keep what we had just because they had played together longer — of course.
It’s often forgotten that we’re a young team, and comparisons to teams that have played together much longer are partly inappropriate. Some of the complaints about this team are thoughtless. Some are ill-motivated. Mostly, people have been taken in by expectations that were dramatically inflated during the opening skein and are now coming back to reality. Compare us with the other 1st year coaching staffs and you’ll see what I mean. I predicted that a 2 year period was required to accomplish all the tasks required and I haven’t changed my mind on that. We’re clearly ahead of schedule in most respects but it’s impossible to speed the learning process much and it takes time to acquire personnel. One of the traps we’ve avoided is rebuilding from scratch with rookies. See teams such as Kansas City, etc. Too much change too quickly hurts you. Too little leaves you mired in mediocrity. BTW — I’ve compared the progress of the draft choices that we were excoriated for passing over — it’s not pretty in many cases. Critics have very short-term memories and rarely acknowledge what apparently would have happed if we had taken their advice. I believe in statistical controls (a la Deming); whiners believe in whining. I can fix my mistakes, they cherish theirs like fetishes.
no goats, no glory.
good thoughts, all.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
CORRECTION: punter not holder
I originally thought it was the punter but couldn’t believe it.
no goats, no glory.
Big Concerns
I don’t think the sky is falling, but the concerns at this point are rather huge. McDaniels had a good game plan, but did not adapt at all once Orton got hurt. The defense left receivers open in the first half and Campbell just missed them. The defense was soft against the run again, especially in the second half. Teams seem to be learning how to beat the Broncos’ defense, and we do not seem to be adjusting much. This is not a good trend. Much to be concerned with on defense.
Hard to know what players on offense to blame other than Simms. Not sure who you had in mind by calling it a team effort. Moreno played well, O-Line did a fairly good job, Marshall and Royal got open all day, TE’s played solid…who else is there who did not play well? Orton showed his value by getting hurt. Simms looked lost. Not sure what else to say about the offense. Looked to me like the QB was the difference today, and I don’t see the harm in admitting that.
Special teams play was pathetic. Inexcusable. Much to work on.
Perhaps most disturbing is that as the offense comes around, the defense is slipping. Our hope was that the defense would remain solid as the offense came around. So far, that is not what is happening. We do control our own destiny, but the prospects of us taking advantage of that are diminishing. Much work to do this week in Dove Valley. Next week is huge. Go Broncos!!
Much I agree with here.
Simms looked lost, from beginning to end. Yeah, the “QB always gets too much of the blame” when the team loses, but today was an interesting example. So much was clicking and working for the Offense, but then, Orton goes out. Simms WAS the biggest problem today on Offense.
And I don’t completely buy the whole line that he didn’t get enough reps during the week thus his craptastic play. True, he wouldn’t of gotten as many reps as Orton, but he has been in the system a bit longer than Kyle, he is a professional getting paid pretty well on a 2-year deal. Today’s performance was inexcusable. If Orton can’t go next week, I seriously wonder how Brandstater is progressing, because he sure couldn’t of played as a rookie any worse than Simms did today.
Also, what happened to the run defense? An injury here and there can’t be enough to all of a sudden make this defense revert to the defense of the last couple years, can it? Forget the offense’s troubles, if they don’t get this run defense fixed…..kiss the playoffs goodbye! You can’t win if you don’t stop the run.
by Gristle McThornbody on Nov 15, 2009 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
Seacrest out.
Time to go see if Captain Morgan is accepting new recruits. LOL
Take care everyone. Let’s hope this thing gets turned around.
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I dont care what anyone says....
You donr lose to a team like the Redskins an think you are an elite team.
We are a developing team, but a play off team we are not.
We were outcoached again, and the D was dreadful…..sorry to all you that dont think that…but Washingtons average was under a 100 yarsd again and they put 170 on us.
Kyle wanted to play….put him in…he was dicing the Redskins…..and this should have been a money in the game bank.
Now, the Chargers will win, we will be 6-3 and with them and we are going backwards.
WE NEED MCBEAN BIG TIME….WE CANT SEAL THE EDGE AND WE ARE GETTING GASHED.
THIS IS LOOKING WAY TOO MUCH LIKE LAST YEAR!
I will always support my team, but we have to be real……we are not good at the moment, and I am trying to see where we get the BIG improvements we need….I just dont see it!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Much to Agree with Here, Unfortunately
Perhaps the worst stat is that in the 2nd half of games, the D cannot get off the field and the O cannot stay on the field. This is a recipie for disaster. Something must be done. I have faith we will adjust for the big game next week, but nothing wrong in admitting that we have much to correct. We have problems, correctable problems, but problems.
Well put.
It’s a tough time to be a fan, only because we were given expectations out of nowhere. After having some time to reflect on the loss, I am only concerned about the coaching. I was 100% behind McDaniels and his ability to prepare for the subtlest details, and how he was capable of throwing them out the window at halftime if they weren’t working. Where did that go?
I don’t know how you can’t question what’s going on at the HC position if he was capable of coaching so well at the beginning of the year. Maybe the adjustments made by other teams are just much better.
My silver lining is that we might be making the corrections, but the personnel is letting us down. That’s a much more comforting viewpoint, because that can be fixed. I’m very cautious going this route though, because I was all in on McD after week 6 and everything that seemed special about him is gone.
I won’t pass judgement until next year though, because he should be able to bring in his guys after two offseasons.
by legendarywalton on Nov 15, 2009 3:59 PM MST up reply actions
strategy
Running straight at a team is good way of dealing with a quality run defense. I don’t see our defense as being as good as it appeared during our opening win streak but it’s not as bad as the hyperbolic comments by detractors — and I leave it to you to figure out who they are, but many of them showed their colors during Cutlergate.
This general subject is one I’ve addressed lately from our side. A big OL can make life tough for the defense, and it only takes a few injuries and losing the TOP battle to wear a defense out and make them look very human. Part of that story is on our offense. We have to control the ball for longer stretches.
BTW — Mike Sellers, FB – 6’3, 273 lbs. I see some big bodies on their OL. We’ll continue to see some smash mouth running attacks unless we show we can stop it. Teams with big bodies to throw at us can wear us down, and it’s a cumulative effect (late in games and later in the season).
no goats, no glory.
Who knew
that our ball “protection, short passing game” was actually protecting our defense as much as our offense? We established that we can and are willing to throw the ball downfield today….
…but it came at quite a price.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 1:19 AM MST up reply actions
very good point
And I’ve been trying to make it lately — albeit not very succinctly.
I thought of the “you can score too quickly” line during the game. And I also thought of the topic on ‘long ball’ and the points I tried to make.
All of these issues are old. Running the ball puts a physical burden on the defense. Even the better analysts tend to miss the point, and mis-frame the issue in terms of yardage, effectiveness, 1st downs, etc. The rationale for becoming bigger and tougher is being graphically demonstrated to us now. And the hurry-up schemes are another variation on this philosophy.
I’ve cherished our ZB ways but there’s a subtle point that’s often missed regarding them. When they work, they work very well. But oddly, effectiveness isn’t the only goal. Teams with big OLs (pretty much every other team) wear out their opponent’s defense as the game progresses, and they also increase their own offensive efficiency as game progresses. Football is a skill sport but it’s also a stamina sport.
BTW — everyone cites Terrell Davis or Elway for winning our SBs, rarely are the contributions of the OLs of those years given adequate recognition.
no goats, no glory.
Correctable problems
Which ones are those? Are you sure they are correctable? It’s always said, “correctable problems”, but if so, why is the D getting worse?
We have to play complementary football
The offense needs to be able to sustain drives. The defense needs to get off the field.
That's not exactly "correctable problem"
Saying the defense needs to get off the field is the same as saying, “they need to be better”…well, maybe that’s all the better the defense is. The offense can’t sustain drives because we gave up on a successful run game in favor of unsuccessful, crappy passes by Simms.
Well, no.
When the offense sustains drives, the defense is fresher, and so they are able to get off the field because they tackle.
The defense had only given up 10 pts. into the fourth quarter. But they were on the field way too long.
Had Orton not gotten injured, the Broncos sustain drives, the defense holds, and win that game. IMO.
Since we played well with the same players for 6 games
the problems are correctable, especially the special teams problem today. Also, Orton getting hurt is “correctable.” This is not to say alarm bells should not be going off…they should be.
Well Orton's injury certainly put me in my place.
It clearly will take months before Simms can run the system comparably. In fairness, I always questioned if Orton was the guy LONG TERM. I am concerned that this philosophy may be excessively quarterback-centric, and losing one guy has such a huge impact on the game.
As far as corrections go, tackling is just about the only thing I can see. You can’t condition your players during the middle of the season, and they just aren’t shedding blocks on the front line. I don’t know that we’ve been “exposed” on defense, so I still have some faith there. Unfortunately, we are very exposed on offense, and that will only compound the fatigue problem on D.
by legendarywalton on Nov 15, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe
except, I think the secret to beating the Broncos is out, and we aren’t adjusting. So I wonder whether how many of the problems are correctable.
The secret?
Doubt that. The Broncos fumbled, dropped a pick, and didn’t stop the run particularly well.
Still, with all that, they win that game if Orton doesn’t get injured.
I don't disagree with the spirit of this comment...
but if we can adjust, then the problems are correctable, nearly by definition.
he said he is hoping to start but simms says that he is anticipating to start
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 15, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
Its this simple
If Simms plays we lose………that was the worst performance i have eve seen out of a backup QB. And of course with the Broncos luck, he got put in with the game on the line and he screwed it up. Not to mention he was smiling and laughing after he cost his team the game
Well, give Simms a week and he can probably show up enough
SD’s pass rush hasn’t been great. If we can run the ball and control the clock — and if Simms can just hit his check downs — the Broncos have a shot.
My real concern is that Orton could miss the Giants game 4 days later — and that the second to last play of the first half today could cost the Broncos 3 wins…
Just seems like
when we came off of our bye week we were very flat and not ready to play when we got throttled by the Ravens.
We all talked like the Ravens wanted it more and had their backs to the wall, which they did. We played that game like we were 6-0 and were entitled to that win without playing. That attitute either carried on for the next two games or the beatting that the Ravens gave us beat out any remainder of confidence and belief in ourseleves. Don’t know what it was but we are playing like last year and we are better than that.
So, I must believe we just don’t have any faith in ourselves and teammates. Don’t know what else it could be.
We have completely self destructed in all parts of the game that I don’t want to point fingers at anyone because we could point in many directions.
Just amazing how we went into the bye week playing and believing in ourselves so much and now we play like we dont want to be on the field. Don’t get it at all.
But somebody better get it and figure it out or it will be another year of told you so’s and finger pointing and all the BS that goes with a team playing like this. It sure feels like we are circling the drain once again.
One can hope and pray for the sea to split so we can run through so I guess that is what I am going to do, nothing else seems to be working right now……..So, lets split the sea…..
really?
I seem to remember seeing Brian Dawkins excited out there making plays and being emotional. ‘Not wanting to be on the field’? I think there’s a little more to it than that.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean on Nov 15, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
So you picked one player
I am speaking about the team as a whole. Many problems with our guys and all I was saying is I don’t understand how we AS A TEAM could spiral so badly all at once.
But since you brought it up, I also thought Moreno looked excited also.?
Oh what we learn...
I was so sick of people saying that we should put Simms in last week. What made it even worse is that most of these comments came from local reporters. Drew switzer, and woddy page both called for Simms…and they were serious. Simms is good, but you could clearly see Orton has an understanding for this offense, and is calm and relaxed in the pocket for the most part. Simms was jumping around, and looked as though the game was moving way too fast for him…guess thats what happens when you any play three downs in three years…We NEED Orton back, because I just don’t see us with a chance without him….now, about the Defense.
I know that we looked a little lazy at the beginning of the game, but we did pick things up before the half. If you remember right, it was that stupid special teams TD that put them within 3 or it would have been 17-7 at the half…17-10 at the worst. I cant really blame the ZD when they are on the field for all but what, 8 min in the second half…look at time of possession…these guys were tired! I just hope we can put things together, because as ESPN blogger Williamson was quick to point out, no team has ever blown a 3.5 game lead in their division…YIKES!
The game against the Chargers is must win...
and if the team I’ve seen the last 3 weeks (but most especially this week, because the defense wasn’t as good even in the 1st half) shows up, we’ll get smoked by San Diego and then we’ll have to look at that you-know-what eating grin from Phyllis Rivers
the grits eating grin?????
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
lol, how can you watch that game??? Are you being punished??? Did you lose a bet???
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
lol nononono. im not! twitter reporter
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 15, 2009 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
lol, okay then. That makes sense, then. lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Orton would have sucked
just as hard if he came in cold after sitting for 2 months.
Special teams is horrible.
Orton looked great, but don’t confuse horribly blown coverages with newly-found deep ball greatness.
If Orton doesn’t blow the throw to a wide open Eddie, then we probably win the game.
We looked really good with the zone running scheme today – hope they do that more. Knowshon seemed to thrive in it.
Nice to see Stokely get some balls again.
Simms has taken a couple snaps in 3 years
He’s not ready to play in the NFL. Plus, he’s been riding our bench for 2 months.
We probably do win if Orton doesn’t get hurt. We probably win if he hits a wide open Eddie on the deep ball.
Royal was held
That pass would have hit him in stride. Fifty yards down field.
FTW...Eddie was held and then stutter stepped...
He runs full speed he catches that ball…nothing to do with Orton overthrowing…go check out the footage!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Missing something...
Simms may not have played in an actual game in 2 months, but is he not going against our first team D in game situations during practice, at least occasionally?
They only have 4 days to prepare, as wel. I believe that one is in Denver, though.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
sorry my bad why did i think it was in ny. thanks
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 15, 2009 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
It's cool.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
Who cares....
I cant even take any pleasure in how much Cutler is sucking when our team is sucking worse. Just no attitude on defense or from coachig!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Our attitude and coaching isn't
the problem on D. We have talent issues that 8 weeks of film have allowed other teams to find.
the last three games
our defense has done nothing to stop the opposing offenses in the second half. Exact same issue each time, team getting run over in the second half. When TOP looks good until the second half, I don’t buy the “worn down” argument. Yes, the offense plays a role but they still have to stop a run or two to get off the field.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
Are you going to ask that question to every single member???
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
well
there were plenty of people calling for Simms, and they look pretty freakin idiotic right now…
Why ask me?
Did you also call out for Simms? What if I did call out for Simms? Whats the big deal, its not like McD will put him in because I called for him?
it'd be a big deal
cuz it would make you look stupid.
Would making me look stupid satisfy the fans
This is a bad lose by itself
nope
but maybe it would keep the stupid negative comments about Orton at a minimum. and that would be partly satisfying.
Out of emotions people say tons of things, you want to dictate how fans should feel about a particular play?
That is so beyond the purpose of this site…
Yes. That's my point.
Go back and look at last week’s thread. A prominent Orton basher.
And that pisses me off.
I am not here to make you feel better...
Get your self a woman.
LMAO!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I've got one
And I’ve been able to keep her because I don’t try to bang her sister if she has a bad day.
But I’m sure your way works, too.
"YOU FORGOT TO DO THE DISHES?"
“That’s it! From now on, I’ll be banging Chris Simms!”
No.
I can’t remember specifically who they were, so I’m asking the ones that I think did.
ok, just wondering.
For the record, I wasn’t calling for simms.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, then go find that post from me
Don’t call out people because you have a hunch… I expected better than that from you.
Yeah. You were really behind Orton
Thankyou Orton for being soooooooo Orton
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If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:52 PM MST up reply actions
Retarded like you, who is beating around a bush to over come a bad lose
I am done here. You guys do or say what you like if it makes you feel any better. I never realized some fans here have that sort of mentality. I am out. Done talking to both of you.
Couple it with the rest of your comments
I don’t feel like cutting and pasting them all. But clearly, you were of the belief the QB was the problem, and you weren’t above rubbing it in people’s faces last week.
Time to own it.
I still think Playcalling and QB was a problem last week, but
I never said I want to see Simms instead.
You are mistaken
I criticized Orton and playcalling last week, yet I was still always behind KO and the Coach. I have not seen enough of Simms to call for him.
And even if I was, I still reserve the right to call whoever I want
Don’t need to answer to you or anyone for that matter.
You can call out whomever you want
I’m just trying to get the players here straight, because there are a lot of fickle commenters on this board, and it gets on my nerves.
I see where you are coming from, but this sort of comment to anyone only divides the fan base.
Lets not go there, this week has already been the worst as it is, and I want to forget it.
Sorry, but you spent last week bashing Orton
And today, we’d have won the game had we had him in the second half.
Karma.
No way simms...
It has always been obvious he is not the starter…he plays now like he did in the pre season. scared, and dancing in the pocket. He has a stronger arm than Orton, but NO accuracy. Nice guy, but Orton has always been the man.
I beg to add a bit here...
I think KO is more sharper because he has been taking snaps with the 1st team, and has gotton all of the coaching. Simms should be able to do similar if he was given attention.
Simms was a starter for TB prior to getting the injury and has the ability to fill in for KO when needed. I think playcalling was bad today and Simms was not sharp because of lack of preparation, which is not an excuse for him either.
I agree, but PHI sucks too.
I hope our D is back on track next week.
They are looking awesome..
And Philly cant get 3rd and shorts ever…they are butchering the game!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I am also worried about our O-Line
Lately it has not been the consistent line we are used to seeing.
Tackling
Im getting sick and tired of the missed tackles!! I’m talking to you Williams, no fundamentals, just flying around, diving and missing, I’m sick of it! They’re in good position but missing tackles.
Broncos 2009 AFC West Champs!!
Yeah
I’m seeing some shades of last year, constantly going for the knockout shot rather than tacking with sound fundamentals. I hope that mindset would be gone with Nate Webster, and it was for the first few weeks of the season.
I think the bye week really took this team out of rhythm, and this offense is so rhythm and pace oriented. I’m not sure what the answer is, but I hope it gets fixed soon.
What’s the general feeling of everyone here: Is Peyton Hillis the next Shanahan draft pick to be let go? :(
Why McDaniels would turn a rusty Simms loose is beyond me.
The running game was getting in high gear when the “wheels fell off”. And the special teams coach Mike Preifer needs to be fired asap. This guy is killing us. If Simms is the starter next week he will be better prepared but I hope Kyle is OK.
By "turn him loose" do you mean make him throw into triple coverage???
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
McDaniels calls the plays and if he says keep it up short then that's what he does.
If he gives him the green light then he is on his own. What I am saying is control the ball in slants, hooks, curls and running plays not wide open. I wouldn’t do that with a guy who has not thrown in a game in awhile, no way.
McDaniels doesn't call plays to throw to only one receiver.
There were other reads on that play. Orton, in that situation, would throw it away. It’s about ball control. You don’t put it into a situation like that. Just throw the ball away. That is always an option.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps McD did not adjust to his new QB
and just continued to run his game plan.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Exactly! Kirk and my rant on McD.
Manage the game and when the time permits it (Marshall waas getting covered at that time) then let it fly.
Perhaps, but that play still doesn't have to be forced by Simms. He knows the overall McD philosophy.
Don’t put the ball into bad spots. Triple coverage 50 yards downfield is not a good spot to put the ball into.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think the call was to throw into triple coverage
In fact, intuitively, Simms should have known what the game’s tempo was and where the momentum was.
That was the time to grind out a good drive and try to get points.
Agreed. That wasn't the first play of the drive, either. They moved the ball into Redskins territory with small chunks.
The broncos didn’t need to air it out. They just needed to stay on the field and continue the drive.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
what?
the solution isn’t chuck a deep ball? Blasphemy…
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions
lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
Sandy Clough
Is going to be SO upset with you…
Yeah
I think we found out how good of a game manager Kyle is too.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!
God, I have always hated that rediculous statement, but right now it could not be more appropriate. In my opinion the offense reverted right back to it’s same old tendencies after the Eddie overthrow. We went back to the same old dink & dunk.
The D was lost from the start of the ballgame. I was absolutely shocked at how wide open Redskin receivers were. The Skins shot them selves in the foot most of the first half.
We went into New England last year and got them on track with a pathetic showing and we just went into the nations Capitol and probably saved Zorn’s job for at least another week. Go Figure.
Next week should be interesting. Go Broncs!!!
It's not like
Orton and McD sat down and said “ok lets revert to our dink and dunk ways”. After the Royal “overthrow” (which was actually defensive holding, the throw looked right on to me), they threw a deep ball to Marshall, but he was double covered and the ball was very nearly intercepted. They also passed to Marshall into the endzone from the 21 yard line which was double covered. The throw that Simms had intercepted was into double coverage, and so far off line besides that a third person who wasn’t really covering Marshall intercepted it.
They saw that Washington was adjusting and playing two deep safeties more than they were stacking the box and wisely backed off the deep throws. You don’t think if they continued to have wide open looks down the field they would not have taken them?
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
That deep throw to Marshall
Where he had a chance to go up and make the catch? Was actually a good throw. Marshall short armed it. Fitzgerald catches that ball, I think.
Yes
I thought he should have jumped too. But nevertheless, he was double covered; my point is that Washington definitely responded to the deep plays and took them away.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
LOL!?!?! Are you guys serious?!?
That ball Simms threw to Marshall was so far underthrown, Marshall didn’t have a prayer on it
no
we’re talking about the Orton throw to Marshall, he was in the endzone and the DB jumped up to get the ball while Marshall just went to catch the ball out in front of him.
The Simms INT pass was way off line, as I described.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 15, 2009 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
I'm talking about the Orton throw to Marshall
As should be clear in context.
Concentrate. And try not to waste all those punctuation marks. There are children in India who can’t even ask a question .
Final...Chargers beat Eagles
The MOST disappointing thing (worse than losing to the Skins!?!), is that the Dolts are improving while we slide.
SIGH
Oh well guys. I think everyone’s reactions being all over the map here aren’t “wrong”, it’s natural. We look for answers and it’s a bummer. Even if I said that the Broncos are a 6 and 3 team, separate even from their record, in talent, so this feels right to me even if it’s torturous to win 6 in a row and then lose 3 in a row, what roller coaster… even saying that won’t make anyone feel better.
In some ways I think we may be overanalyzing (which again isn’t really a comfort), in that they don’t do well on the east coast games (almost never have as far as I can recall), and in that they lost their QB who was rolling and possibly lost because of that… Their D has been spottier but still pretty solid imho. Some of the playcalling lately on O has been questionable as well and the running game finally gets going and as you said they seem to abandon it anyway, even with a rusty backup in… But I don’t think there’s much more to it than that.
Look, they have an opportunity to take care of business next week against the Chargers at at home and if they don’t they don’t deserve 1st place at this point anyway.
I’m very disappointed in today’s result but given their history in east coast games not shocked either. I don’t think I’m naive to STILL have faith in this team, but realistic too.
Cheers all.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
no bueno
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
I thought Orton wanted back in the game today? Could it be that bad?
Or is McDaniels just making San Diego’s game planning that much harder?
It is much worse when you are there.
There were quite a few Broncos fans there. That ball the punter threw for that touchdown was forever in the air. Arrgh!
by precisiontint on Nov 15, 2009 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
Just wondering
if our team is fighting and bickering as much as the fans? Losing sucks and all but it is still a game. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to slamming my team when doing bad but I love this team. I see all the regulars on here and everyone of them have complained and even bitched about us at one point or another but they and we are all still here. I don’t think I am a troll if I don’t like a certain player but I am not above giving kudos where they belong and I guess I troll and bitch when I am dissappointed but I am a very loyal fan.
If this site was on during Elways first 3 superbowls, then you would have heard me trolling with the he sucked and all’s but I stood by him every game.
I guess its alright with me when the real fans blow steam off and slam our team, It just ticks me off when nobodys all of a sudden show up with crappy remarks.
We all know who is here all the time and I have no probem listening to the steam being thrown around, if we can just keep it in line and all then all is good.
We all seem to pull it together before the next game. I love my team, I love screaming for them and at them. I guess I am just a fan…… It is what it is and it is just a game. Go Bronco’s…..
when we win, it's "i disagree but respect your opinion"
when we lose, it’s “i think you’re a fukin’ moron and your opinions are made of slugshite and i hope YA BURN IN HELL!!!!!” QB this, QB that, Priefer sucks, blah blah blah.
Orton was good today, Simms was shite today. That’s that.
c’mon, get a grip dudes.
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 7:23 PM MST reply actions
when we win, it's "i disagree but respect your opinion"
when we lose, it’s “i think you’re a fukin’ moron and your opinions are made of slugshite and i hope YA BURN IN HELL!!!!!” QB this, QB that, Priefer sucks, blah blah blah.
Orton was good today, Simms was shite today. That’s that.
c’mon, get a grip dudes.
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 7:23 PM MST reply actions
or perhaps more accurately
when we lose, it’s “i told ya so!” replied with, “no, I told YA so!” followed by, “NO! I TOLD YA SO!!” which is responded with, “DIE! I TOLD YAAAAAAH!!!! SO!!!!!!!!!!”
speaking of this all metaphorically of course
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
Well, at least I never called for Simms
Orton proved why he is the starter today. As did Simms. Wow, that was sucktastic. After going to the Av game last night, my sports weekend was complete! The Redskins? Really? Yikes.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
Here's hoping Simms can get up for SD with a week to prepare
If the Broncos can run the ball next week, I think they can still win at home.
— Which probably won’t stop some of the home fans from booing and calling for Brandstater.
I’m just hoping we have Harris and Orton back for the Giant game.
Amen.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 15, 2009 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
Bob...hearing ya....I am very superstitious
- USC got blown out.
- Avs get blown out.
- Australia loses the Test match against Ireland.
- Denver loses.
- Chargers win.
- My wife’s team loses as well.
Really sucked in our house hold this weekend…normally when one of my team loses before Sunday it sets off a chain reaction!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
torturous.
my wife is working on a paper and needed to know how to spell that. does that not describe today?
I mean, we open up with something we have been longing for, KO to Marsh for a 40 yard bomb TD. sa-frikkin-weeeet.
and then Knowshon, running with purpose, big gains, inside, outside, over the top. finally a run game worth watching!
and then oh my lans! marsh again for a second bomb TD, this one the longest of his career, a 75 yard bomb-diddy bomb!
despite the defensive lapses, i had confidence that the o would take over, and could win in a shootout, based on the rhythm they had going.
and then and ankle gone rolled.
the defense continued to struggle, missing tackles, lax coverage, getting blown up at the line, missing gaps….
and now bring in the rusty tin man with no spleen, and the offense goes back to square one. a timing and rhythm based offense, who depends on its qb to read defenses, make high % accurate throws, struggled mightily under a guy who, lets face it, couldnt get it done. (we dont need to go into why, fact is, he didnt)
at that point, the game began to slip away. a solid 17 point 1st half was to thin a veneer for the sloppy lackluster defensive effort, and the yards and points slowly drifted away.
and then Zorn smiled.
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Nov 15, 2009 8:09 PM MST reply actions
This Sucks
but it’s over. We need to focus on beating the Chargers, a team we’re better than. This version of the Broncos needs to go back into the crapster. Let’s remember what got us to 6-0 and prevent the Dolts from taking first place in the West. GO BRONCOS!!!
Brad James
I'd be much angrier
If Cutler hadn’t thrown the 5 picks.
All in all, I’d say it was a pretty decent week.
When dere’z sadnezz in ze bronko kingzdomz, we unleazh ze schadenfreude on ze Kuttler.
anyone got some good lolnfl picks of cuttlez? somethin to dull this crappiness?
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 9:10 PM MST reply actions
Berger still a problem
It is ok people to call out elements if your team. I’m done though calling out Berger. He has to be cut tomorrow for Sam Paulescu. You can’t punt the ball 14yrds standing on either 45yrd line. Just can’t have it! Berger did have a 65 yrd punt but it was because of an error on the return man and a fortunate bounce for 20+ yrds. Kern for the record is 9-0.
by CastorTroy on Nov 15, 2009 9:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions
that kick wasn't even surprising really
i was like, 14 yards! not bad for berger!
can’t they just let brandstater throw it as deep as he can to the kick returner or something?
by RockyMountainHigh on Nov 15, 2009 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
Just watched the game for the second time and...
Denver played a physical game against a physical team and really performed very well up until 10 min left in the 4th w/ the Simms pick in the endzone. Denver has a great team and WILL have a great season. There’s no question in my mind. For those of you with a DVR or Tivo I highly recomend watching the game twice (the second time with the emotion removed it’s much easier to remain objective).
destructofisto
by stuckinsandiego on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 AM MST reply actions
missed the hoopla
i’m reaching for straws here but i always look for the details. late in the game i saw jarvis moss willing his teammate onward. moss seemed totallly ready to go to war with his teammates. it was good to see, i hope we are watching moss mature into the player we want to root for.
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