so for everyone wanting the deep passes....

by march20 on Nov 15, 2009 8:58 PM MST

we all saw how it worked out for us during the redskins game. It is obviously a high risk, high reward type of play (and we will never get that wide open during a playoff game) so i thought i'd follow how peyton manning and tom brady (in my opinion the two best quarterbacks in the league right now, and possibly ever in the history of the game) do on "deep" passes which i will define as passed of 30 yards or longer (in the air not after the catch yardage)

through three quarters, they are a combined 3-8 with one touchdown and two interceptions...

update: 4-9 two TD and 2 INT

update: 4-10 two TD and 3 INT

the two combined for only 8 deep passes? no ones complaining in their camp....

just fyi :)

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Deep Throws

I don’t think everyone who was pining for deep throws wanted them called on every play. What I and many were advocating, were to take a couple of shots to keep a defense honest. I will be the first to admit that Kyle Orton did an excellent job on the deep ball today and should have had a third one go for a touchdown had a Redskin defender not knocked Eddie Royal off his route beyond the 5-yard bump zone. Chris Simms’ throw to Brandon Marshall in the fourth was open, but Simms waited too long and threw it to the opposite side of where he should have.

I liked that Denver took shots down field today. I have no problem with a short passing game, but a team must take shots down field from time to time, which Denver did quite well today, aside from the Simms blunder. I take that as a positive moving forward.

by RSH089 on Nov 15, 2009 9:10 PM MST reply actions

i understand but

i jsut think what ya’ll are advocating is backwards. I think the short passes need to set up the long pass rather than the other way around. just like you set up the play action with rushing. yeah we didn’t throw the deep pass against baltimore and pittsburgh when they brought their safetys up but it just wasn’t there partly because of their coverage and largely because of their pass rush. i dunno, i get why ya’ll wanted it but i would prefer orton to throw it underneath than to throw it deep and have it intercepted just to keep the safeties honest

by march20 on Nov 15, 2009 9:24 PM MST up reply actions

Agreed 100%

You gotta be smart about the deep shots. The Simms play was not.

Set the D up with a bunch of underneath stuff, then as the D starts to creep up and look for the run or 5-yard out, dial-up that playaction or double-move / pump fake deep ball to catch the D with their pants down. The Royal play was exactly what I was calling for last week. Double-moves are so awesome, IMO, especially against aggressive DBs. Once you hit them with one of those, theoretically, the underneath stuff / running game will become available again. It’s like ClarkFan’s awesome analogy below… you gotta have balance.

But, the QB also needs to be smart. If the defense is covering the deep play well, dump it off, throw it away, or throw it so that only your receiver has a chance for the ball. Live to fight another day. Simms for some reason decided to do his best Rex Grossman imitation yesterday. =/

That said, the point of the OP is well taken. They are high risk and high reward and even the two best QB’s in the league are susceptible to getting burned by going deep at times.

by tunga77 on Nov 16, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions

Throwing deep is a part of football and it happened in almost every game.

The long pass interception was not what lost us the game. It was a combination of a lot of things that we are not doing as a whole team. Defense, special team, offense and coaching, they played some part in the successes and failures we had. Seeing Kyle throw the deep passes was something that we have rarely seen this year so, it was a exciting for me to see him do that. To be honest with you Royal might of had a TD too if it wasn’t for the grab which wasn’t called, but that’s part of the game and those things happen. I had a feeling when McDaniels said they wouldn’t use it very much that he wasn’t telling the whole story and when Kyle get’s healthy other teams will know now that it may be a part of the playbook from now on.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 15, 2009 9:14 PM MST reply actions

i definately thought it was the turning point though,

i fwe had continued running the ball , who knows what might’ve happened. and yeah..if eddie had gotten to that ball….sigh.. what could have been..

by march20 on Nov 15, 2009 9:25 PM MST up reply actions

Deep throws are the salsa

Not the burrito. But if you don’t add some in, the burrito just isn’t right. Add too many, and it isn’t right either. A team has to add some deep throws in just to avoid getting 11 guys in the box. But most of them inevitably will fail.

by ClarkFan on Nov 15, 2009 9:58 PM MST reply actions

MMM Salsa.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions

The deep ball worked to perfection today.

After Simms came in, he couldn’t execute our preferred method of underneath passes. My only question was why not challenge some of the more premier teams in the weeks prior, and why not go more conservative and simply run the ball after Kyle’s injury. I got what I asked for, just at the wrong time.

by legendarywalton on Nov 15, 2009 10:21 PM MST reply actions

I think people are missing the fact that the offensive line played the best theyve played since before the bye .Orton had time to throw and we were getting a nice push off the line in the running game

by Hoopforia on Nov 16, 2009 11:40 AM MST up reply actions

The Redskins

had watched game film from the Ravens and Steelers games and played everyone up, thats why the deep ball worked and thats what needed to be done against the Steelers too, it loosens up the D because the safties must respect the deep pass and play further back but lets remember it was the Redskins, a 2-6 team that the
Broncos should have beat easily and even with Orton in the game it was still close. This was notr the fault of a QB or any one player, it was a team loss and it seems to me that this D is getting tired in the 2nd half of games and now teams are able to run the ball with ease and that is opening up the passing attack and the D remains on their heels for the rest of the game, it needs to fixed and in a hurry, a 3 game lead in the Division turns into a tie in a 3 game span is just plain bad.

by smalljaw on Nov 16, 2009 5:44 AM MST reply actions

we seriously just gotta run the ball more

and run some clock if only to give the defense some rest… say you run the ball twice and let the play clock run down to its fullest and then pass on 3rd down and get an incompletion thats at least 5 minutes of rest if you factor in the punt and all the little officials stuff in between. a lot better than 3 straight incompletions….

by march20 on Nov 16, 2009 7:26 AM MST up reply actions

The deep throws open up the running game and

the underneth routes. We have to continue throwing deep, look at our running game yesterday. Well until Simms came in and McD stopped running the ball for some reason>

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 AM MST reply actions