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After witnessing yesterday's brutal loss, and the subsequent fallout among the fan base, I've noticed a disturbing trend.  The trend I'm talking about is one that has no doubt existed since the birth of the sport of football itself.  The trend I'm talking about is the desire to remove the current QB in favor of the next guy in line.

 

Over the last three weeks there has been a steadily rising chorus of shouts for the removal of Kyle Orton.  This is to be expected after a succession of tough losses, including a performance against Pittsburgh by Orton that included 3 interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown.  As fans, it's easier for us to throw the blame at the feet of the most visible position on the team, while overlooking other potentially greater contributing factors.  And certainly in this case, our displeasure with the quarterback is justified to some extent.

 

So it is not surprising that coming into the game in Washington, there were more than a few calls for Chris Simms to get the start.  After all, on a struggling team, there is no more popular player than the backup QB.  Here's a case in point:  One commenter rather regrettably vocalized that he or she was "Just waiting till he (Orton) gets hurt.", because "I think Chris Simms could do a better job if he was in there."  I am by no means suggesting that ths sentiment was common to those wishing for a change at quarterback.  Rather, it shows just how invested in and attached to the issue some of us have become.

 

Well, be careful what you wish for...

 

After a very poor outing in relief of Orton, Simms was promptly thrown onto the same trash pile that Orton occupied the week before.  The new cry going up was for Tom Brandstater,  the rookie quarterback currently tasked with holding a clipboard on the sidelines during games.  The same rookie quarterback that has zero starting experience against real, professional, first-string defenses.

Star-divide

Forget for a moment the names of the players involved, and think about the phenomenon.  Let's extrapolate the trend out to its likely conclusion:

 

Suppose Brandstater gets the nod against San Diego.  Suppose that he struggles mightily in his first NFL start in a game of huge implications, and he makes some mistakes that contribute to the Broncos losing the game.  What's next?  There is no quarterback on the roster behind Brandstater, so where do we as fickle fans go for redemption?  After all, the source of all that ails the team originates from the quarterback position, just as the source of all redemption does as well, right?  But what happens when the supply of scapegoats and saviors runs out?

 

Perhaps we need to take a deep breath and look at our situation from a wider view.  We are 6-3.  We are preparing to face at home one of our most hated rivals in a game that has implications far beyond the playoffs.  We are a team that has just experienced our first across-the-board failure under the new coaching regime.  We have issues to be addressed with our special teams, our defense, play-calling, tackling, and most importantly, our pride as a team and a fan base.  With all of those issues in mind, is this really the best time to throw in an unknown quantity at quarterback?  I say emphatically, NO!

 

Keep in mind that Simms the 'reliever', and Simms the 'starter' are two different quantities.  In an ideal world, he would have come in and the offense would not have skipped a beat.  But he didn't, and they didn't.  In fact, he had the worst showing in a 'save' situation that I have personally ever seen.  But the whole time, I had to remind myself that he's coming in without a game plan designed for his skills, protections designed for the fact that he is left-handed, and play-calling that protects him and the rest of the offense as he attempts to find his rhythm.  Don't take this to mean that I'm making excuses for him.  During the game, I said in the open thread that I thought the INT was a combination of a bad play call by McDaniels, and a worse decision by Simms.  So I'm in no way a Simms apologist.  I simply believe that we as fans should support the players on the field.

 

I firmly believe that, assuming Kyle is a no-go, Chris Simms affords this team the best chance to win against San Diego.  But to do so, he needs the full support of his team, his coaches, his fellow players, and the fans.  We all know that this is a home game.  He needs a stadium full of supporters that will cheer for him when he succeeds, not wait in anticipation of his mistakes for the opportunity to boo him.  Give the guy a game plan based around his skill set, a week of practice with the 1's, a dedication to the run game, and a home crowd that will support him, and WE WIN THIS GAME. Create a QB controversy where none should exist, and a home crowd just waiting to boo him, and say good-bye to the division and the season.

 

What I'm asking is that you support the quarterback position, even if you aren't a fan of the man playing that position.

 

Let the guy be Bubby Brister.  Don't turn him into Danny Kanell.

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My guess is the same people that want Brandstater to start at QB are the ones that got all bent out of shape when we cut an arena league talent in Darius Walker.

Very scary thought to start a 6th round rookie QB with 2 months+ of rust and no NFL experience. Think back to how poorly he played vs. Seattle in his first game. It was not pretty.

My hope is Orton can take the pain injections and suck it up enough to play on Sunday. Simms didn’t look rusty. He looked like the game had passed him by since he last played in 2006. If Orton can’t go, Simms is clearly the starter. But if Simms flails about like he did Sunday, it WILL be time to see if Jeff Garcia’s of the world are interested in some cameo work.

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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 11:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I was in the "Orton is just fine" camp

Not a mega-supporter, but he was certainly playing well enough to serve the need, and he was much better than that yesterday.

But even when Orton was struggling, he wasn’t close to throwing up (!) 7.5 QB ratings. That kind of performance gives the Broncos no chance to win, and If that is all Simms can do absolutely pull him and try Brandstater.

by ClarkFan on Nov 16, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on man

I saw some Tom B comments here yesterday that boggled my mind. There was one saying we should start him from now on to get him some experience. Are we not 6-3 and on top of out division? If we were 0-6 and completely awful ok maybe. But seriously starting Tom B would be a disaster this year. He is not our knght in shining armor. I think we all know (or should know) who our QB is and should appreciate what he can (not what he can’t) do.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Nov 16, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Instant gratification and short attention spans.

In a separate discussion with TJ (the Dude), he made a great point that because TB is still effectively a blank slate, it becomes easy to project our hopes onto him, since we haven’t had much to give us cause to think otherwise. The fact is, given the opportunity, TB could go out and be the shred that we’ve all been waiting for, or fall on his face in big fashion. My point is that the upcoming charger game, with the team at 6-3, is not the place to find out.

Thanks for your comment!

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 5:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

After going back and re-reading my original correspondence, the idea of TB as a ‘blank slate’ should be attributed to Emmett Smith, and was relayed to me by TJ.

Just want to make sure that credit for a great thought is given to the right person!

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 17, 2009 7:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

agree completely with this comment and the original post re: Orton then Simms then Brandstater

Sanchez & Stafford and all the other top 5 picks start because the money you invested in them dictates they start.

i’m gonna go with the glass being half full on Simms though and not be so quick to say he isn’t talented enough to be an NFL caliber backup QB.

if the rule of thumb with the NE offense is two years for the starting QB to find their rhythm, then what should the rule of thumb be for the backup QB ? Simms sort of had it tough imo.

besides, why all the passing from the backup QB ? i thought the prevailing school of thought on backup QBs was do whatever it takes to get basic rhythm on offense ie. run the darn ball.

not that this hasn’t already been said ad nauseum.

Simms would have to be Jamarcus Russel bad for me to be concerned. or Jay Cutler 5 interceptions bad.

by Jenna Talia on Nov 16, 2009 4:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Jenna.

While most of us are hoping that Kyle is good to go, I think some of us were a little too quick to extrapolate Simms’ performance in one half of football out to any future performance, should he get the start. I don’t think that is entirely fair to him or the coaching staff.

If he has a week to prepare, and the reps that come with it, and he still underwhelms, then I’ll start to worry.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 5:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jenna: The more i see you reveal your thoughts

the more impressed I am.

The fact is Simms played poorly Sunday but during the preseason Orton was critiqued by some (many) to be the same as Simms and Simms had some throws in preseason that had some (quite a few) calling for him to start.

We are fans and we see so much less than the coaching staff. i am just thrilled our coaching staff is far more consistent and level headed then we fans are.

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Nov 16, 2009 8:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem I had with Simms

Every time I saw him on the sidelines in the second half, he had this goofy grin on his face, and he was jawing with a team mate like the game was well in hand. What was that? Why wasn’t he talking with some coaches, or at least trying to get into the flow of the game by watching the game?

He felt like the man that drew the first circle. Simple, and perfect.

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by bradley on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean, bradley.

That bothered me as well. One thing that always impresses me about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning is the fact that they ALWAYS look at pictures and talk with the coaches on the sidelines. And that’s true whether they come off the field after a TD or an INT. I’ve seen the same from KO on quite a few occasions.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Think back to how poorly he played vs. Seattle in his first game. It was not pretty.

And Simms played just as poorly, if not more so, than Brandstater did.

But if Simms flails about like he did Sunday, it WILL be time to see if Jeff Garcia’s of the world are interested in some cameo work.

Would the Jeff Garcia’s of the world be able to run McD’s offense better than Brandstater could? I highly doubt that.

To question Simms after this last debacle is not “bandwagon”, or knee-jerk or any such thing. A lot of fans questioned this guy when they signed him. To me at least, this is a different situation that just blaming the QB when he loses or not looking at the big picture.

by Gristle McThornbody on Nov 16, 2009 12:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you are giving enough credence to the importance of NFL experience vs. no NFL experience (especially for a rookie like Tom B).

I am quite certain that several veteran NFL QBs could run a dumbed-down Broncos offense better than Brandstater.

You are preaching to the choir about Simms. I hated that signing since day one and have said so at MHR too many times to count. A left handed QB with Clady as your LT? Are you kidding? Makes no sense to turn the best LT in the NFL into a strong side tackle.

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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on clady

i’d feel better about that if harris were healthy, but it’s still not ideal

by bailey disciple on Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed RE: Simms signing

I had the same concerns about Simms. Putting in a lefty changes everything with your protections, and it reverberates out to the run game as well. Do you leave the tackles where they are and hope that your new blindside man can hold up? Do you ask them to swap ends and re-learn their run and pass blocking on the other side? The impact is significant either way.

Be that as it may, I’d still feel better with Simms at QB in this game. It’s too important to leave in the hands of a rookie.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big Simms defender either

However – the statement about the tackle issue is inaccurate. The tackles do the same things in the same protection packages. I’m not sure how this one got started, but there have been several left-handed QB and their LTs are still their LTs.

The reason I don’t care for Simms is that he’s always been incredibly inconsistent. Unfortunately, this weekend he was very consistent, but not effective. That’s a big part of his history. As a person, he has my complete admiration. His play has a long history of being less than what is needed.

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 16, 2009 4:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your reply, Emmett.

Just to follow up, do the techniques being coached change with the ‘handedness’ of the QB?

In particular, is there a different approach in a pass blocking situation between the LT and the RT? (Ignoring pass plays that involve a moving pocket, bootlegs, etc.). Perhaps the impact on the running game may be less than what I had originally thought, since runs can obviously go to either side, but I’m more concerned with pass protection.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 5:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Doc!

I promise to no longer propagate this line of thinking!

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 17, 2009 7:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

These....

….are my thoughts exactly. Even with the Bucs I never thought too much of his play.

by Gristle McThornbody on Nov 16, 2009 7:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you are giving enough credence to the importance of NFL experience vs. no NFL experience (especially for a rookie like Tom B).

I agree with this point to an extent, don’t get me wrong. BUT…there are exceptions. And even though the odds may be against T-Brand succeeding, no one can truly know until he plays. You never know, he might be the next….dare I say it…..Tom Brady…… :)

by Gristle McThornbody on Nov 16, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Branstater over Simms NOW, yesterday and tomorrow....no doubt in my mind...

Ane would take Orton above all but 6 or so QB’s in the NFL…..thats how big a drop there is between KO and our other QB’s.

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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2009 5:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Orton is a bubbig star just waiting to blossom.

We have seen little glimpses of improvement each and every week and it seemed like that flower was going to full bloom yesterday when the dark cloud of injury reared it’s ugly head. The sun will shine on this young man who just turned 27 and football fertility has began to show fruit. He will be our guy! No matter what anybody say on this site, so get used to it and relax, sit back and enjoy the season. Pssst.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 16, 2009 2:53 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think the vast majority of us are pulling for him to start against the chargers.

My concern is his effectiveness if he does. I know the guy is a gamer, but I don’t want him playing if the cost is aggravating the injury.

Thanks for your comment, bfree!

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 5:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

You just Psst on Boydy, bfree.

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jubei

Good post, man. If McDaniels thins Tom. B. gives us the best chance to win, I am sure he will be out there. He’s closer to this than we are. Also, the history of these kinds of things (Cutler replacing Plummer, Griese Replacing Brister) have not gone well in the past.

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by TJ Johnson on Nov 16, 2009 7:03 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Nov 16, 2009 8:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post and thanks for it Jubel

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Nov 16, 2009 8:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, dmitch!

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 17, 2009 7:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your logic Jubei

Rec’d

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, KK!

I always appreciate your point of view.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 17, 2009 7:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I strongly agree. Rec'd

Support your QB. Don’t root against your team based on a QB decision that has to be made. No booing Simms! Root FOR him! He may need it!

It strikes me that everything happens for a reason. Maybe we HAD to lose those 3 games. Maybe Orton HAD to go down yesterday so that we see Simms play the way he did. Maybe this secures everyone’s faith in KO. And maybe, just maybe, this is all just a clever part of McDaniels’ master plan…. mwa ha h ah ah ah aah a

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by HarvJNep2n on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I can just see McD rubbing his hands together and laughing evilly.

You make a great point. One thing that I hope has come out of all of this is the idea that “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone” (Sounds like a hair-band tune. Oh wait, it is!). KO was the goat the whole week leading up to the WAS game. Look at the turnaround now. Too bad it took an injury to make some people see what we have in him.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 17, 2009 8:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Jubei, your avatar is one of the best on MHR

More to the point, instead of everyone calling for Simms’ head after one lousy half as a reliever, we should look at this as the perfect opportunity to evaluate his long term potential. Then we will know if he is a serviceable #2 or if we need to look elsewhere.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the props, AB!

There are some great avatars here, so I take that as a compliment.

Your make a great point. We can all agree that that was a horrible relief effort by Simms. What we can’t do is assume that any future playing time is going to pan out the same way.

If he isn’t helping the team, I guarantee he’ll be gone eventually.

- Jason

I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

by jubei on Nov 17, 2009 8:04 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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