Kyle Orton Questionable, Ryan Harris Out versus San Diego
by John Bena on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 PM MST
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You'll be able to read the entire transcript later today, but Josh McDaniels did talk about two of the more prominent injured Broncos today during his meet-up with the media. Talking about Kyle Orton, McDaniels said that Orton hasn't been ruled out and will be evaluated throughout the week -
Not sure exactly how it’s going to go," McDaniels said. "We’re going to see how he progresses over the course of the next few days. We’ll have to see if and when Kyle is ready to go – whether it’s Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or not at all – we’re going to have to see how it goes. He’s definitely not out for the game. We’re hopeful he can be ready to go."
While that is a bit of good news, the same could not be said about OT Ryan Harris. McDaniels has already ruled Harris out for the game, meaning he will miss at least 3 weeks with his injured toe.
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Kyle is under center come Sunday…the AFC West crown is all but gone…hate to be so pesimistic but its the truth!…and to think Woody Paige WANTED Chris Simms to start…STs Coach Piefer should be fired today…no if ands or buts he is BY FAR the weakest unit of the three…I love the Broncos with all my heart but all the work that was put in will be for not WITHOUT KO at the helm…He makes this team go!
by PolarBear14 on Nov 16, 2009 12:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Not a big fan of changing boats in midstream
but as soon as the season is over lets see if we can shore up that whole area of our team.
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by MrFNSunshine on Nov 16, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Changing a ST coordinator (or starting a rookie QB) are just pretty big “WTF do we have to lose” statements, and we are not there yet. Bloody heck, we have quite a lot to lose by definition.
The really, really good news is that McD should have this team trimmed pretty well after two drafts. He plugged every MAJOR hole with one draft/FA offseason, but you don’t build a superbowl contender overnight.
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by PositivIntegral on Nov 16, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2009 draft is hard to pin down.
Moreno has been all over the map with fumbles and too much dancing, but he did show some excellent skills yesterday.
Ayers is making progress, but has yet to have a great “game”. Is he going to be an impact defender or just a role player?
Alphonso Smith has been a big time disappointment.
McBath will get his shot at some point, but it won’t be this season. Hill is playing well enough to hold onto that job.
Quinn was drafted for 2010 when Graham or Scheff become too expensive to keep around. He has not impressed me in very limited action.
Burton is doing well on ST, but not making any impact as a defender.
Olsen is not playing, which is frustrating as he is the logical starter next season when Hamilton is not resigned.
McKinnley has made no impact after a promising preseason. Me thinks he’ll have his shot next season when Stokely is released.
Brandstater, see you next season buddy.
The plan is there, but I’m far from certain we drafted the right guys.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What's New
McGeorge is unenthusiastic and pessimistic. But, he’s right. Way too early to tell with the 2009 draft.
Talk is for Losers and Fools.
by Victim of Love on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the pointless commment.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He was merely observing
that you ALWAYS find that the glass is less than half full. Moreno dancing too much? BEEE ESSS! He’s clearly a prototype north-south runner who’s been showing improvement from game to game even as the offensive line has sagged. I guess you expect him to run straight into the arms of every waiting tackler. As for your take on Ayers and Smith, you seem to think every rookie who isn’t a pro bowl candidate is a bust.
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
good point on Moreno
the dude has made a ton of people miss, on limited carries this season. After the WAS game he ranks slightly ahead of AP in this category (with Chris Johnson leading the field, due to his ability to simply run by the defenders). I think he has made a few poor choices on cutbacks and running lanes, but frankly, it is pretty ugly in the trenches lately, so remain patient with KnowMo.
I thought he had a number of special runs against WAS, and as a result the Buck/Moreno rotation was lopsided in Moreno’s favor. We got away from it at the end, in favor of some very risky playcalls, but so be it. Such a fine line between brilliance and being a goat…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 4:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Styg
I reacted so strongly to McGeoge’s characterization because I keep seeing Moreno make people miss while deviating as little as possible from a north-south path, which to me is the very antithesis of “dancing too much.”
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 5:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree....
Until this week, he has struggled hitting the hole….I called it dancing…but lets just call it “hesitation” then which was the opposite of what he did in college!
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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2009 6:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree on hesitation
Earlier this season he wasn’t reading blocks as well as Buckhalter and didn’t have as good a feel for where the hole was going to open up, and as a result was less decisive. I chalked it up to lack of experience, and indeed he’s been improving steadily. A game or two ago I felt he had finally surpassed Buckhalter, and it seems to me that superiority was even more evident in the Redskins game. His growing ability to quickly and intuitively pick a (soon to be) hole has enabled him to hold his own even as the blocking has regressed, which has therefore impacted Buckhalter’s game more visibly than his own. But his earlier tentativeness wasn’t the same as dancing, it seems to me. That was my point. He’s an instinctive north-south runner, and experience (and good blocking) is all he’s needed to be an elite back.
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
You say his hesitation was the opposite of what he did in college. Things happen more rapidly in the pro game. Players on bother sides of the ball read and react faster. That’s precisely why pros don’t play as well as rookies as they do later on. They have to learn to recognize things faster, after which, if they don’t lack that capacity, they’re as decisive as pros as they were as college players.
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 6:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd Little
…was a master at reading his blocking. Knowshon needs to develop this ability, and the OL’s blocking is part of this. He needs to slow his run and let the block form. He’s too quick to head up field and fails to utilize his blockers. “Quick through the hole; not to the hole!”
Smaller, bowling ball types of RBs (e.g., Maurice Jones-Drew, etc.) often learn the art of hiding behind their blockers and exploding through the hole. That’s why I’d like to see us add an MJD type to compliment the RBs we have. Andre Hall was this type of RB.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Nov 16, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ski and Spock....
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2009 7:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morris of the NY Giants was very good at this Colinski
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by KaptainKirk on Nov 16, 2009 11:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
a very good back
And in many ways — as I recall. He’s another in the mold of tough, short RBs. Fans tend to see the height and think they’re small but forget that their weight is the same as a taller back. When you combine that with a running style with a good lean, they’re very hard to tackle just because they’re so low.
We’ve become too enamored with backs who seek out contact. I have misgivings with Jonathan Dwyer for this reason. They used to praise Floyd Little by saying — “nobody has ever been able to get a clean tackle on him.” Moreno has a little of that in him but he takes more hits. He needs to save himself from damage.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Nov 17, 2009 8:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah but how do you feel about our free agent signings
and what free agents would you like to see us target this coming offseason?
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by MrFNSunshine on Nov 16, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We won’t target any FAs because we won’t have the money for it. We need to resign too many of our best players.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing.....
…. that we’ll target one FA G/C. We can distinguish the issues of 2010 cap hits from total team salary. Signing FAs doesn’t necessarily overburden our cap if it’s done with this in mind. It’s often more a decision about cost-effectiveness than mathematical limits.
We have to plan for losing Hamiton (in 2010, probably) and Wiegmann (end of 2010) and we don’t want to put rookies/young OLs into starting roles until they’re ready. Losing that much experience in short order destabilizes us rather than creating stability, which is both a necessary and desirable goal.
We can sign a very limited number of FAs along with returning FAs if we structure (all) the contracts properly. For instance, losing Hamiton’s salary creates more than enough room for one FA OG/OC. The math allows it, but it’s primarily a decision based on team-building logic. Our success as an offense and team in general relies heavily on ‘fixing’ the OL. And the draft picks of late show that the coaching staff/GM agrees. There’s a need, but we’ve yet to successfully fill that need.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Nov 16, 2009 5:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go that far...remember how Orton played his first game back in the preseason.
Chris Simms could pick things up after a rough first regular season action in 2 years.
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by Tim Lynch on Nov 16, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AFC West crown is gone?
Isn’t that a little premature? The Chargers have already played 4 of their 6 AFC west games. The Broncos have only had 2. We have 1 game against both the Chargers and Raiders at home, and both games against the Chiefs. There is still a TON of football to be played. It could really go either way. Both the Chargers and the Broncos have a few very tough games left and a few weak teams. We just have to wait and see.
by ZTC_87 on Nov 16, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not lost, and a win Sunday would go a loooooong way come the end of December.
A loss Sunday isn’t the end of the world either….though dropping four in a row is bad no matter how you slice it.
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by Tim Lynch on Nov 16, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great news
Come on KO, we need ya buddy.
by NagaSadow on Nov 16, 2009 12:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
My Prediction
Orton will start and play the whole game. Broncos will win.
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by Victim of Love on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Harris
Hopefully Kyle can go, and hopefully we’re not without Harris much longer. His absence is a big part of what has gone wrong with the O-line.
by ncm42 on Nov 16, 2009 12:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
While Harris is a very good player, Polumbus has been solid. Especially considering these are the first two games he has ever started.
by DBronx777 on Nov 16, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Polumbus...
When Harris is healthy, do you see any realistic way of making Polumbus into a guard and giving him a shot at Hamilton’s spot?
by ncm42 on Nov 16, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think Polumbus would have excellent trade value. Young tackles are a nice commodity that Denver is flush with. It’s like NFL gold.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 1:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Polumbus
Harris was out the whole 2007 season due to a back injury and is out because of a Toe injury. Toe injuries have a nasty way of coming back. He’s fairly cheap and excited to play for the Broncos. Unless a spectacular deals comes I say don’t trade
by CombatChuk on Nov 16, 2009 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Polumbus
I’m saying I think a spectacular deal (like a 2nd or 3rd round pick) would come Denver’s way if Polumbus continues to play well for a few more weeks.
Harris looks like a star at RT and Clady is the best O-linemen in the NFL. The toe injury is just something that is part of the game and not a sign that a guy in injury prone.
Denver is simply not talented enough to keep a luxury like Polumbus on the roster if we are offered a sweet deal.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
keep polumbus
if you look at teams that don’t get ruined by injuries (like the shanahan broncos did a number of years) they are teams that keep as much quality depth around as possible, especially up front.
losing a piece of the line and not having a quality backup is a great way to derail a successful season. (imagine if orton were out for the year — we’d be screwed)
by bailey disciple on Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if we had a stronger player than Hamilton/Hoch in the starting lineup. It’s much better to have good starters than good backups.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's best to have both
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
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by McGeorge on Nov 17, 2009 8:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Flush with tackles?
Besides the starters Clady and Harris, and Polumbus, who are we flush with?
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by bradley on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We are flush with the best young tackles in the NFL and a good backup. There are not enough roster spots in the NFL to have any more wealth at this position. We are fully stocked.
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by McGeorge on Nov 17, 2009 8:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope to God that McBean is back....we have missed him more than ANYONE!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Nov 16, 2009 4:55 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if we resign Kuper
or if we’ll see Olsen and Hochstein inside next season, with CW around until we can groom the next center. Do we draft a center and look for big guards in FA? Or do we pick some big guards during the draft?
The way I see it, Orton can be a very good QB here so long as we give him a pocket to work from. His one deficiency is his overall mobility; I think he can improve his pocket mobility as he becomes more and more familiar with his line. But he’s not going to be a roll-out passer — though maybe the Broncos could employ a stretch run out of which Orton can play action from time to time in order to move the pocket.
by JeffG on Nov 16, 2009 1:00 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn’t we resign Kuper? He has been great
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by Todd Jewell on Nov 16, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Kuper can have Hamilton’s money. Olsen can step in at either G spot because Seth is on a cheap deal.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he may not be big enough for McD's liking
We’ll have to see what price he demands. I guess we can always put a tag on him…
by JeffG on Nov 16, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Our offensive line
is better at pass blocking than run blocking. That’s why I don’t think it’s the best unit in the league, although it’s very good. To be the best it would have to be near the top in both, and I think we’re well down the list in run blocking. I don’t know if it’s something that can be improved with coaching or is intrinsic to the skill sets of the players we have. Shanahan built the line, and it’s the best possible line for a pass first, last, and almost always offense like we had last year. It minimized Cutler’s mistakes and showed him in the best possible light. (It maximized his trade value!) It’ll be interesting to see how McDaniels reshapes the line—I doubt that he’ll completely overhaul it—over the next couple of years. I opined not too long ago that Polumbus might end up at left guard, although I knew Hochstein was the backup. That’s because I think Polumbus has a big upside as a run blocker. If it happens next year I’m a genius. If not, I’m full of it. (Wouldn’t be the first time.)
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually very excited that he is questionable.
SHHHHHHHHH………………. I think McDaniels is trying some new Jedi Mindtricks.
First of all, let me start by saying that we are going against a team coached by Norv Turner.
By listing Kyle as questionable, SD has to gameplan for both Simms and Orton. If orton goes, sweet. That means that SD just wasted time during the week to prepare for simms and we have our number one qb out there. If Orton can’t go, we are still going to be in better shape because SD wasted time during the week to prepare for Orton.
I see this as pretty smart. I was always frustrated when I would play FF with a new england player who was listed as questionable. I got burned, one time, when they listed Welker as questionable and I had him starting.
I don’t want to know before gametime whether Orton is playing or not. If we, the fans, know, that means that SD knows and have more time to prepare for the starting QB, whoever that is going to be.
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by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 1:20 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Let him be listed as questionable. As KB adroitly pointed out, the chargers will have to game plan both a left-handed QB with very little meaningful game film in the offense, or Kyle. Fine by me.
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by jubei on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
Also, great use of the word “adroitly”. Have you and Doc been going over vocabulary words, lately??? MHR is becoming pretty good at flexing it’s academic muscles.
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by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol - Hey, how'd I get into this one?
I like it, though ;-)
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Emmett Smith on Nov 16, 2009 4:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you gameplan differently for a left-handed QB?
It’s my understanding that the only way the “having to prepare for two QBs” thing comes into effect is if one is a pocket passer and the other a runner. At least that’s what I picked up from the Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson conversations from earlier this season.
Also, how would the Chargers gameplan for a left-handed QB when there’s no left-handed QBs on the team?
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by John (obviousman) on Nov 16, 2009 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
I don’t think it matters to the Chargers. They’ll game plan against either QB the same. Being left or right handed shouldn’t matter.
Should it?
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by Victim of Love on Nov 16, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would anyone game plan for Simms?
Did you see him yesterday?
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 16, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ you kentuckybronco in theory. Right now it doesn't look like you have to spend too much time game planning against Simms.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True. The redskins didn't gameplan against him and it turned out well for them.
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by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Lombardi is saying ORTON WILL PLAY!!!!!
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/16/broncos-orton-will-play-despite-ankle-injury/
OH YES OH YES OH YES!!!!!
by CombatChuk on Nov 16, 2009 1:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
ORTON THE CHARGER GROUNDER (In electrical terms)
by CombatChuk on Nov 16, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The Chargers are named after horses, not electricity.
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by John (obviousman) on Nov 16, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
So calling them the “Bolts” really don’t fit. We should call them the “Mares” instead?
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by Victim of Love on Nov 16, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope just Ponies
Philip Rivers the powder blue Pony
by CombatChuk on Nov 16, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"
by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 16, 2009 4:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha, kitten FTW
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by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
read my mind
And it brings up a confession I have been holding back out of shame…
When we were losing the Cincy game, my niece came over, with her toys, and played in front of the TV for a little while. While she was eating, and as the game was winding to a close, I felt an OCD urge to arange the coffee table to help the Broncos mojo. This included lining up her My Little Ponies so that they could see the action.
The rest is history.
Fast forward to the NE game. Again my niece stops by, this time I ferret out her ponies myself and place them back where they were on the coffee table, just in time for OT.
The toys haven’t been in the house since…
Question: What is the best way to take my niece’s toys away from her???
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Get her cooler toys so she forgets about her current toys.
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by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 5:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it's electricity... we think.
Baron Hilton named the team when he bought it. No one to this day knows why. There is some speculation. But it’s always been about the Lightning Bolts from day one in their advertising and never, not even once, about a horse.
by JYBaritone on Nov 16, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Their first logo has a horse on it
I wouldn’t say their advertising has never, not even once, been about a horse.
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by c_style on Nov 16, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Lightning fast horses?
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 5:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well blow me down!
And to think that all this time I had thought that they were named after laid back SoCal credit card wielding binge consumers. Just goes to show, you can learn something new every day, from anybody!
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by turnerstoe on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be awesome!
Any chance you can design a mascot/logo of your “charger”?
by ncm42 on Nov 17, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
see my above comment.
I love that Orton will play, but I think that revealing this information to us right now is a big mistake. What happened to “the patriot way”??? The whole, nobody knows the status of an injury thing, was what really appealed to me. It gives a psychological advantage. I really would like to know what McD’s angle is here.
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by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I totally agree, but the cat is out of the bag!
by CombatChuk on Nov 16, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Or is it??? Maybe this is a decoy!!!!!!!! Reverse psychology..........
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Strategery
I like it. while we are at it, let’s see if Phil Simms is available…just as a decoy.
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 16, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
don't you have a CB to find that needs another of your endless interceptions?
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by dmitchell624 on Nov 16, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't need a CB
A Nose Tackle will work just as well, too. ;-)
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by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 16, 2009 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't as if they announced it
and it’s well known that Orton has played with a bad ankle before. I think McDaniels was being super cautious in taking him out. Better to lose him for a half than for the season. We should keep in mind, though, that Orton’s production declined last year after he injured his ankle.
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
As I don’t think the 2009 Broncos are going to win the Super Bowl, I don’t mind the extended action for Tyler Polumbus. I think it will benefit us in the long run.
With Clady and Harris as our young bookend tackles, Polumbus is expendable and should have incredible trade value if he continues to perform decently. Young tackles are NEVER available in FA. We are set with Clady and Harris, but we could really use some upgrades elsewhere (like LT and C). No need to keep that kind of insurance on the roster when you can trade it for something like a 2nd round pick. If Polumbus continues to play capability, I bet we could demand something like a high draft pick and have several bidders. The Bills, Chefs and Packers would all be improved with a Polumbus in their starting lineup.
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by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 1:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If Polumbus performs
well enough to have “incredible trade value” that means to me he’s NOT expendable. The best teams have capable replacements when players go down, and if the trenches are as important as many of us feel it’s important to have a surplus of capable linemen on both sides of the ball.
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by spock on Nov 16, 2009 3:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to have agree with Mr. Spock on this one
One thing that I think’s become very obvious is our lack of depth – if we have a guy go down, almost anywhere, the drop-off in performance is very noticeable. Perhaps we can plug Polumbus in as a starter, but either way, we really need to work on depth in the offseason
Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Nov 16, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I know we aren’t going to win the SB, but it would be a darn shame to miss the playoffs after starting 6-0, and giving SD another division title that they don’t deserve. I hope we kick their tail. This team needs to get it’s swagger and confidence back, and what better team to do that against than these morons.
by PABroncofan on Nov 16, 2009 1:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If 6-3 turns to 6-5. We are not going to the playoffs.
This is my favorite website.
by McGeorge on Nov 16, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But 8-3 would look pretty sweet.
Talk is for Losers and Fools.
by Victim of Love on Nov 16, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean when you say giving SD another division title they don't deserve?
Did the Broncos deserve it last year after blowing an 8-4 start to go 8-8?
These 2 teams are both 6-3 and it’s anybodies division. Right now the Broncos look awful, they hardly deserve it based on what I’ve seen the last few weeks.
Good luck against SD, but I don’t see it happening.
I also agree its more than likely Orton will not start. Listing him as questionable though really does not matter, its unlikely SD has to prepare for much in facing Simms. If anything it will be a similar conservative playing style but on a lower level.
by LTisnotdead on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
its unlikely SD has to prepare for much in facing Simms. If anything it will be a similar conservative playing style but on a lower level.
Ha, gotcha! If I were McD and going into a game with the Simms we saw yesterday, I’d be gearing installing the old Wing T without a QB. So prepare for that!
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 16, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Chargers got beat by two of the same three teams we did and haven't played the third yet.
And SD’s third loss came to us on their home field so drop the “last year’s Broncos” crap. This year’s Broncos are STILL better than this year’s Chargers until proven otherwise.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
by MrFNSunshine on Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is starting any “last year bronco crap”
By simply reading the original post i replied to by PABroncofan you should understand that.
That’s fine if you think the Broncos are better than the Chargers, they got a couple special team touchdowns and did a good job of shutting down the chargers offense. They were the better overall team earlier in the season. Today? I really don’t think so. And we will find out soon enough.
by LTisnotdead on Nov 16, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos were never 8-4 in 2007
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 16, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The question to the original poster was if he thought they deserved the division title with that record since he stated the chargers didn’t deserve it. Has nothing to do with this season and I never said it did.
by LTisnotdead on Nov 16, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
An inaccuracy
is an inaccuracy regardless of the larger point being made. I agree that neither team deserved the division crown last year, although arguing they don’t deserve it this year “based on what I’ve seen the last few weeks” is beside the point. Whether they deserve it or not will depend on their record at the end of the season. Teams have hot streaks and cold streaks. We’re still 6-3, so we’ve been good twice as often as bad—so far.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 16, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
which is precisely why i stated that both teams are 6-3 and its anybodies division. of course teams will have their ups and down. i simply feel based on their current level of play in this losing streak that they aren’t deserving of a division title. They can always finish strong and if they do good for them.
by LTisnotdead on Nov 16, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Declare a starter now at QB
The next 10 days are going to determine whether the Denver Broncos will be playing after January 2 or if they will once again be preparing for the reloading season before Martin Luther King Jr day.The least of our worries should not be who lines up under center.Neither one of our QB’s are going to win the game on their own(and I am eliminating Brandstater unless there is another injury)and the Denver offense needs to prepare with a right handed QB or a left handed QB,particularly Tyler Polumbus who would be protecting Chris Simms blindside.
My suspicion is that McDaniels knows the full extent of Orton’s injury and that he will not be available until after the Thanksgiving game and does not want San Diego and the Giants extrat time to prepare for Simms.
by OrangeCrush4082 on Nov 16, 2009 1:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I'd be typing this
But for the love of Elway, get well quick, KO. I’ve seen the alternative, and it ain’t pretty.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 16, 2009 2:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Lol!
The neckbeard starting to grow on you Bob?
by rocko1 on Nov 16, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
After yesterday, yes. I’ve never understood the Simms signing. Isn’t he making about 3 times what Orton is, too? Ridiculous. I still say Orton has limitations, but he has been mostly very good this season. One heckuva lot better than what we saw from Simms yesterday. At least Orton can accurately throw the short ones where they need to be thrown. Simms looked like he couldn’t even do that.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 16, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I can just hear Kyle's agent
Something like this..“Kyle, remember what happened in 2008. You played hurt for the Bears and they took a crap on you at the end of the season. So far, the Broncos have not shown us the money. To make matters worse, they pay Simms three times what you are paid. This is the final year of your contract, and my advice is to only play if the ankle is healed enough to be completely effective on the field. Imo, this is no time to play hero.” I know I would be saying that. The one thing about KO, is that he’s a team first player. He’ll probably play no matter what his agent says.
by rocko1 on Nov 16, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Orton's above Greed
Agents, like children, are best seen and not heard and I think KO realizes this.
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Nov 16, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Simms isn't as good as Orton
but I doubt that he’s as bad as he looked Sunday. He’d probably do better against the Chargers with some of the rust having been knocked off, although I hope we don’t have to find out.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 16, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really notice Polumbus in the last game
which you would have to think is a good thing (on the other hand, it could be because I had to watch the game on a computer). The previous week, however, he often seemed to be standing around confused and unsure about what to do. Regarding Orton, hopefully this last game results in the cessation of all those dumb “noodlearm” comments.
by warmick on Nov 16, 2009 2:20 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Daniel LaRusso's gonna fight!!! uhh er uhhmm Kyle Ortons gonna play !!!!!
by Hoopforia on Nov 16, 2009 2:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yea but can he win a verbal exchange with my boy Phillip?
I highly doubt that.
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 16, 2009 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
your boy? He slapped you silly Jay
You were in a corner sulking too many times in games against Rivers while he was leading his team to one sided routs against you,
If it wasn’t for Ed Hochuli’s gift when you fumbled that ball in Denver you would have never beaten him.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Nov 16, 2009 4:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Hochuli owed me one....
I beat him in an arm wrestling contest the night before that game, and he didn’t have the cash to pay up, so he said he’s make it up to me. Nobody ever thanks me for that.
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 17, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you beat Hochuli in an arm wrestling contest, then I would believe you that you have the strongest arm in the NFL. That is intense.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by kentuckybronco on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL?!?!
I thought Jay had the strongest arm EVER!?!/
by ncm42 on Nov 18, 2009 5:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Guru's posted article above this one
makes it sound like Orton will play, though that is Lombardi’s opinion. I’m not going to hold my breath until it’s the weekend and it looks true.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Nov 16, 2009 2:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This is the determining game
10-6 will probably win the division. They will split with The Chiefs and beat The Giants and The Raiders meaning the Chargers game will be the determining factor (no wild card from this division).
by warmick on Nov 16, 2009 2:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
ORTON WILL PLAY SUNDAY
News
Broncos’ Orton will play despite ankle injury
Posted: November 16th, 2009 | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Denver Broncos, Kyle Orton, Michael Lombardi
NFL Network insider Michael Lombardi is reporting Denver Broncos QB Kyle Orton will play this week against the San Diego Chargers despite an injured left ankle.
by MiamiMike1 on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This is FANTASTIC news and it really get me to appreciate Kyle more.But let me just point out a couple points.
First is that if you didnt know, i believe Kyle had an ankle injury last year that kept him out a game or two. And sadly to say, his stats were never the same for the rest of the season. Lets hope this isnt the case this time. Secondly, i want to point out that if the bolts beat us Sunday (I know, its impossible right?) then i believe that they will really be TWO games up on us b/c if we end up with the same record (like last year) they will liklly win the tiebreaker. Here are the tiebreaker steps in a division. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). After the head to head which would be tied.
1. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4.Strength of victory.
5.Strength of schedule.
6.Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7.Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8.Best net points in common games.
9.Best net points in all games.
10.Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss
So we tie the head to head and assuming we beat KCX2 and Oak, we would be tied for division record. Then comes the possile killer….comon games record, Assuming SD beats WASH and Cleveland and loses to Cincy and Dallas, they would be 4-4. 5-3 if they beat Dallas. Now we currently are 3-3 with games with the Giants and Philly.We would need to win one of these if not both to go on to the next tiebreaker. That would be conference record. We are currently 3-2 with a game with Indy and assuming we lose (I know this seems impossible as well) we would be 3-3. SD is currently 1-2 but assuming they beat Tennessee and Cleveland and lose to Cincy they would tie us at 3-3. Now comes the Strength of Victory which is defines as the winning pecentage of teams you have beaten. I actually think we may win this one b/c we beat Cincy and NE and Dallas……….But i am getting WAYYYYY overboard with this but just remember that EVEN if we lose this game, then we can still catch SD in the 5th tiebreaker!!!!!
by Calibroncoboy on Nov 16, 2009 3:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Last year he had a high ankle sprain and a line that couldn't protect him
SD and the Giants both bring pressure from the outside. Give Orton a pocket and a run game, and I think the Broncos can win both games.
by JeffG on Nov 16, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, Orton was playing well until he hurt his ankle. Orton should have been out for 6 weeks but he came back after missing only 1 game because Grossman was not effective. Orton was not as effective after his injury but he still manages to be 9-6 last year. All this happens with a horrible OL, a horrible group of WR that includes Lloyd, Booker and Rasheed Davis and a defense that ranked 21st. Orton should have had 3 more wins in 2008 if the Bears defense did’nt blew double digits lead in the 4th quarter during the Carolina, TB game and of course the Bears defense lost the Atlanta game with only 15 seconds to play.
Could Orton still be affective if he come back from his injury ? that probably depends on how severe the injury was. Also, if I was Orton agent I would told him to sit until he is 100%. Last year Orton came back too quickly and was attacked by the Bears fans when he was not effective and the Bears management who force him to come back too early treat him like crap eventhough he got paid three times less than a backup qb like Simms.
by airflash12 on Nov 16, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Orton's Stats Will Be Better than Last Year After the Injury
because the talent around him is better. We know that Moreno can run well if he applies himself. The Bears, with Forte, cannot. Hence, we see Cutler look like the tard he is by tossing five picks against San Francisco. Orton will make wise decisions and now that the gameplan calls for Kyle to throw bombs on occasion, that clown Cromartie will once again be Elmer Fudd to Brandon Marshall’s Bugs Bunny. I think the team can still win the AFC West. In Year 1 of the McDaniels regime, we’ll be division champions, that’s pretty encouraging.
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Nov 16, 2009 3:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
polumbus, phons and more
A few thoughts from watching the game at fedex field yesterday.
1) Phons was totally lost in space on the fake kick TD. He had only one slow fullback in his deep zone, and a high rainbow pass… And he was nowhere near making the play. Its like he was watching the short zone, rather than keeping everything in front of him. How you give up that play on 4th and 20 was basically unforgiveable, and all on his lack of situational awareness.
2) Andre Carter was running circles around Polumbus most the game. Let’s not start tooting his horn too much, because he didn’t look great by any stretch.
3) Clady also got pushed back a few times, but that was because in passing downs WAS was occasionally lining Haynesworth up as a DE across from Clady.
4) Simms looked bad (a number of poorly thrown or late delivered throws), but the WRs weren’t helping much. A few drops, and not a lot of seperation most the second half.
5) It was really nice getting to watch the secondaries. A lot of 1-deep safety play vs 2-deep or cover 3 zone (with the CBs backed off). Both teams were bringing 8 down, and playing press coverage more often than not, with lots of blitzing.
by cjfarls on Nov 16, 2009 4:08 PM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
And if we don't fix the run defense
it won’t really matter who plays QB.
Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Nov 16, 2009 4:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Neckbeard!!
Man oh man I hope KO is good to go. Even hobbling around though I’d rather see him in there than Simms…it’s not like mobility is KO’s strength anyway. I would rather have McDaniels himself behind center than Simms again. And certainly I’d prefer to have Chris’s dad lining up. That was just too painful to watch. At least there’s a “for the future” argument to playing Brand-starter. Simms has no future in Denver or anywhere else in the NFL.
It was good to see Knowshon looking better this game. Even though he had the early rookie accolades, this was his best game so far. Consider that Simms looked that abjectly apoplectic (as long as we are showing off our adroit verbiage) WITH a running game to keep the defense honest! Imagine how bad he would’ve looked against the Steelers. Actually, don’t. Instead, imagine special teams that can defend against a 4th and 20 fake FG that they KNOW IS COMING.
I would never wish an injury on anyone, but I will say that the player who I would shed the fewest tears over is definitely Phyllis Rivers.
by MontanaBronco on Nov 16, 2009 4:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Apoplectic:
Greatly excited or angered, generally used in the sense of being speechless with rage. Perhaps ineffectual is closer to what you had in mind.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Nov 16, 2009 5:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Simms
Two quick observations:
1. He played poorly.
2. He acted poorly. As others pointed out, he was smiling like he’d ate the canary during the second half and after the game. He was not studying photos or talking with team members between possessions. Hey man! We were losing and we lost! His demeanor led me to believe that he could care less about winning.
by Endzone on Nov 16, 2009 4:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't read too much
into what the cameras show us on the sidelines, especially out of context moments like that one…
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 16, 2009 5:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yikes Endzone and spock! i’ll go back to just reading after this.
flagged? i didn’t say I wished rivers got hurt. In fact, I said the opposite, that I would not wish getting hurt on anyone. and then that i would feel bad if he did (shedding tears), but not as bad as for other players. Another way of saying he is not my favorite player, and certainly a long ways away from the interpretation you give it.
And apoplectic is not often used in the “greatly excited or angered” sense, although that is a secondary meaning. I meant it in the more commonly used impairment-of-mental-function and seizure-like sense. Often people say “apoplectic rage” as in, so mad as be apoplectic, so the two are often thought of as meaning the same thing. And of course the secondary meaning you point out as well. Ineffectual to be sure, but I had apoplectic in mind.
I appreciate the desire to keep it friendly around here, so, let’s keep it friendly around here.
by MontanaBronco on Nov 16, 2009 7:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
If it were me, I would not pick out any single player and state that I would shed few tears if he got hurt. However well intentioned that statement may seem to you. It is close to the poster that wished that Orton would get hurt so Simms could play. It reminds me of those who start a sentence with, " I don’t mean to offend, but…" and then proceed to offend you.
A question on your use of apoplectic. You coupled it with abjectly. If he was abjectly (cast down in spirit; showing helplessness or resignation, in a low state, being humble or ingratiating) apoplectic (impairment-of-mental-function and seizure-like sense) I am guessing that you saw a helpless stroke victim-like performance? I did not quite see it that way. I agree that Simms had a very bad game yet Spock’s “ineffectual” defines his performance better for me.
BTW, I agree Knowshon is improving and had a better game.
by Endzone on Nov 16, 2009 8:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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