So.....you want to beat the Chargers?
Hey fellas. I'm sure you remember me and the spats we had just a few weeks ago. I'm back to again answer any questions you guys have about the Chargers in the most civil way possible. Go ahead and fire them off in the comments section and please Rec this post so that it stays up top for at least a few days.
Also, as sign of good faith, let me give you guys the gameplan on how to beat the current Chargers' team.
- Power running. It was no fluke that Correll Buckhalter had a 4.6 YPC average, including a 15 yard carry, against the Bolts last time. This team has still not figured out how to stop a RB who can break tackles.
- Special teams. You guys saw it first hand. Although the Chargers have plenty of great special teams players, there doesn't seem to be any good kick coverage. They need to work more as a team out there, or Eddie Royal is going to get more big holes to run through.
- Short passes-YAC. The Chargers CBs and Safeties are too good downfield. This is why the Bolts' passing D is rated as one of the best in the league. Big plays are just not going to happen through the air. The Broncos offense needs to be patient, take what the D gives them and attack the MLBs with Royal and Sheffler.
- Pass Rush. And not the kind that comes with a blitz, because then you're leaving guys like Mike Tolbert, Darren Sproles and Antonio Gates wide open. The Broncos need to get to Philip Rivers consistently and do it with a 5 man rush at best. Last game, Elvis Dumervil had his way with Jeromy Clary (who may not play due to an injured ankle). This game, I hope the Chargers are ready for it.
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Appreciate the post John
Is Merriman back? It looked like he was and then I don’t remember seeing him much against Philly. Forgive me if he did but I was approaching blackout stage at that point.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
Toss up
Nobody is sure. He certainly looked it against Oakland, KC and NYG. Then again, during those games he was 100% healthy and Ron Rivera was throwing lots of odd blitzes around (lots of safety and corner blitzes). Against Philly, it seemed Merriman and Phillips were more concerned with keeping McNabb in the pocket than actually getting to him. Also, the Chargers played zone D all day and called maybe 2 blitzes.
He’s a major step up from where he was the last time the Broncos saw him, but I don’t know that you can pencil him in for 2 sacks automatically just yet. I just hope his foot feels better this week.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 6:48 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks man
I’m not really worried about Denver going deep too much, especially against SD.
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
Chargers have had a very mediocre schedule the past 4 wks.
Chargers KNOW it. They’re record is superficial as it’s built on he backs of either losing teams or trams in decline. They lost to Pitt/Balt…. Just as we did! We saw the real chargers 4 wks ago, and their level of play hasn’t improved. Their competition has sucked!!!!!! They ate who we thought they were… And that has to scare Norv T. We’re bot playing our best right now as we seemed to have stopped playing 60 min (starting in Balt) and we’ve become too 1 dimensional…THIS MUST STOP! Dawkins, Baliley, Andra sand DJ need to have a closed door “Come To Jesus Mtg” Our tackling has become abysmal and almost carel Y
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That Chargers team hung with the Broncos, who were VERY hot at the time, and arguably would’ve won without the 2 return TDs.
The Eagles were hardly in decline before the Chargers loss. They were just coming off a blowout of the Giants and a close loss to the Cowboys. The Eagles win is every bit as legitimate as the Broncos’ wins against Dallas or New England. The rest I’ll give you.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 6:52 AM MST up reply actions
just ignore the bait =)
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
by Todd Jewell on Nov 17, 2009 7:20 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Without the two return TD's
In that case do we take away Sproles return as well. MInus return td’s we win 20-16 in that game. Seriously start taking away singular plays from any game and it will change the outcome. Sorry couldn’t ignore the bait
Like a fish out of water
"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi
by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 17, 2009 7:58 AM MST up reply actions
This is why I said “arguably”.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Got ya
"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi
by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 18, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
Don't get too caught up in that
Sometimes winning streaks have to start against weak teams. A team that has been struggling uses a weak opponent to get back in sync and by the time they hit stronger competition, they are firing on all cylinders again.
And the Redskins aren’t exactly a top-5 team, either…….
Even if Orton plays, the Broncos have to build out of the D this weak. AND PLAY BETTER ON SPECIAL TEAMS!
thanks for posting — hopefully both sides can keep it more cordial this time =)
What injuries are going on and where will it affect you all the most? You hinted towards an OLine injury already…
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
Clary’s got a dinged up ankle. He was burned a few times by Dumervil last time anyways. I think Dumervil gets the double-team no matter what, but Clary being out there can only help the Bolts.
Nick Hardwick is expected to make his first start at Center since breaking his ankle in Week 1. Hardwick is a beast at run-blocking and is the person in charge of identifying blitzes. He’s been missed.
Travis Johnson, who has been one of the better D-linemen for the Chargers, left the Eagles game and I haven’t heard anything since.
The Chargers are relatively healthy….certainly healthier than they were for the last matchup against Denver.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Still not as healthy as the Broncos.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Odd comment, Richard
The Broncos have injuries on both lines, multiple other players dinged up and/or out and their QB may not play due to injury. What are you referring to?
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
Two thirds of our starting defensive line (Williams and Bingham) is on injured reserve and has been since the end of Week 1. Our starting center has been out since Week 1 and still is. Our starting right tackle may be out this week. Two thirds of our back ups at outside linebacker (Applewhite and Tucker) are out. Applewhite is on IR. Tim Dobbins, starter at inside linebacker, has been out and may continue to be this week.
If you want to get into “dinged up,” we have Ogemdi Nwagbuo and Travis Johnson from the already depleted defensive line. Also, there’s both starting outside linebackers (Merriman & Phillips) who have missed practices due to injury last week. Oh, and I almost forgot Kevin Burnett at inside linebacker who is either the #1 or #2 at that position depending on health.
I’m pretty sure the Denver Broncos are healthy in comparison.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
That may be true
But our starting QB (possibly) has to count for quite a bit, especially in a system for which he was hand-picked. My point? I really have no idea. But thanks to you guys for dropping by. And “as civil as possible…” Love it!
Oh no, not this guy again.
JK, had to start off needling you John. I’ll come back with a question later.
Seems a little deja vu-ish, this week tho, don’t it?
Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.
It does. Actually, this whole season seems a bit deja-vuish to me.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Since we have already played once before, how will the chargers attack the broncos differently on offense? On defense?
Would they change anything or just try and execute their previous gameplan better?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Forgive me if I have a horrible memory, by the way.
Since the last meeting, Malcom Floyd and Mike Tolbert have become bigger parts of the offense. Both are significantly more dangerous than they were before. I love Tolbert’s emergence as a big blocking FB and an excellent receiver out of the backfield, because it has made Rivers even more efficient (3 INT in last 7 games).
The defense has changed a great deal since the last meeting, but I can’t offer much insight because it seems to change a great deal from week to week. Nobody is sure where to pin the success (Merriman? Ron Rivera? Steve Gregory? Kevin Ellison?), but there’s 100% chance that the Chargers will blitz more on Sunday than they did for the last game. Nickel CB and Safety blitzes have become a staple of the defense.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Tomlinson's performance against the Eagles...
but what are the chances that he replicates that performance Sunday? Rivers has been tremendous this season and w/the consistent play of both Gates and Jackson at the receiving corps, I couldn’t imagine the Chargers straying from what they do well.
Another point, it seems that OL usually plays the pass better than the run and w/the injuries in that unit, how much of this unit’s success will be dependent on establish the run?
Say hello to my fast...
it has never been a matter of choosing Rivers and the passing game over LT and the running game. It’s just that usually the running game doesn’t work. The Chargers would always prefer to have a more balanced offensive attack.
I think the Chargers will come out as if the running game is fine and attempt to mix up pass and run plays. If the run doesn’t seem to be going anywhere (which is entirely possible if the Broncos actually focus on stopping it), Rivers will throw the ball all day. It’s not exactly a terrible backup plan.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
John
How’s your O Line looking now? Also the D line?
Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.
Meh to both
The offensive line has looked good…improved….but not great the last few weeks. There’s no sense of dominance at the line of scrimmage like there once was. Rivers is still getting creamed by the occasional blitzer. The run-blocking is atrocious at times.
The defensive line is a roller coaster. Again, there’s zero sense of dominance by anyone not named Luis Castillo. Everyone else is ranges from “good” to “not too bad”. Luckily, the 6 man rotation to keep everyone fresh seems to be working. The run defense seems to get stronger late in close games.
I’d give both lines a C+ or B-, but each has the potential to be really, really good.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
So then
Would your D struggle against a no-huddle?
Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.
Probably.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
From what I’ve seen of Rivera, a no-huddle offense would make him call a lot of passive zone. So yes, they would probably struggle.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 18, 2009 3:21 AM MST up reply actions
I believe we already did.
And we’ll do it again thank you.
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Watching the games seems like it wouldn’t be fun if I could see the future like you can.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
Tell Phil I said Hello
Sorry I’m gonna miss him this weekend. He probably won’t have any fun with whatever nancy they trot out there at QB this week. I was always up for a battle with Phil, just wish I won a few more of them. I still say I have a stronger arm though, and I also enjoyed his spot at the Pro Bowl last year.
by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 17, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
hey
look at the bright side- at least there’s no chance for you to throw any more red zone pics on Sunday… as for next week, that’s still a possiblity…
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
Remember a month ago when we embarrassed you in your own house?
What makes you think you stand any better of a chance this time?
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Embarrassed? I don’t think ’d go that far.
As for what makes Charger fans think it might go differently this time? I’m going to go with all of the games both teams have played since then.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
?
This doesn’t make a lot of sense. You beat the raiders, chiefs, philly and the giants. We lost to the ravens, steelers, and redskins.
What in those games shows you that things are going to go vastly different between the chargers and the broncos? You lost to the ravens at home. Got killed by the steelers until they went to prevent. We lost to both as well. Besides the raiders, the other teams are so far uncommon opponents.
So with your logic, if the broncos played the raiders, chiefs and browns in a row and won – but the chargers played the steelers, ravens, and giants and loss (hypothetically) – that would somehow tell us how the two teams will do against each other?
All we have to go on is the broncos beating the chargers the first time. The chargers then beat two bad teams, a bad giants team and a philly team who got beat by the raiders the last time they made the coast-to-coast trip. On the other hand, the broncos lost to two good teams, and lost on an east coast trip after a short week and getting smacked around by the steelers on monday night.
The narrow view that your answer suggests is one of the main reasons I hate day-to-day fans (not you, but others). It is a long season. Sure there can be momentum, etc., but your comment suggests that two entirely different teams will be playing this time. But no actual facts support this.
Oh yeah – if you took away all of our touchdowns – you would have won, I forgot.
All well, rant over.
by Something Clever on Nov 18, 2009 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
i wouldnt call the giants a bad team
as i wouldnt call the ravens a good team, they barely beat the browns.
teams change as a season goes on a momentum is bigger then people make it out to be.
Since they played each other, the Chargers and Broncos have played similar quality teams with the Chargers playing one extra game (against a bad team). The Chargers went 4-0 and the Broncos went 0-3. I’m not claiming this makes the Chargers better than the Broncos.
The question was “What makes you think you stand any better of a chance this time?” My answer is that the Chargers have played better since that game and the Broncos have played worse. Also, a quarter of a season isn’t exactly an insignificant sample.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 18, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
How has the interior d-line looked since the broncos game
More specifically has Jamal William’s replacement improved?
Also how have the injures to the oline progressed, is that still going to be an area of weakness?
On To Victory!!!
Jamal Williams’ replacements haven’t managed to effectively replace him. They have, however, improved a great deal largely thanks to a rotation that has kept them fresh and allowed them to play all out while on the field without worrying about being left out there to die.
Nick Hardwick, arguably the most important member of the Chargers’ offensive line, may return this week and that would be a huge upgrade. He had a chance to come back this past week and couldn’t, though, so take that for what it’s worth. Jeromey Clary, the line’s weakest link," left Sunday’s game with an injury and may or may not play against Denver. Dombrowski isn’t a huge step down. Neither guy can block Dumervil by themselves anyway.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
What is the threshold for retaining or firing Norv?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
Making the playoffs.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
If Norv has another "one and done" do you think it will pay off to keep him?
Our Broncos were consistent entrants in the playoffs in the post Super Bowl era, but they were so focused on getting to the show that they weren’t able to do much once they got there.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Nov 17, 2009 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
Turner is 3-2 in the playoffs in his two seasons here. If he gets to the playoffs and fails to win a game it will be the first time. I think management believes in Turner and anything short of an epic collapse will keep his job safe.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How do you guys feel about Norv?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Nov 17, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
I like Turner. We hadn’t won a playoff game since the ‘95 season and he’s won three in two seasons.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
good point
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Nov 17, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
john
i think u will love me this week i think SD will win orton will not be 100 pencent even if he plays we rely on too thin a margin to win at times this is carzy but u might the favories for miami u own the colts 27-20 SD
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
john or sirbud
what have been the biggest differences (on offense and defense) on the field during the chargers winning streak as opposed to the beginning of the year?
by bailey disciple on Nov 17, 2009 3:49 PM MST reply actions
or other knowledgable charger fans.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 17, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
john will answer this question far better than me
on offense, not much. i guess LT is running a bit better. i think getting rid of Chambers was also a huge plus for us (and it seems like it’s working better for him too). i don’t think the o-line has improved much. unless hardwick is back, i fear we’ll be vulnerable to the same interior blitzes we saw in week 6.
on defense: improved health of merriman, healthy rotation of d-lineman, rivera dialing up more blitzs, and having steve gregory as the nickel back. gregory is great against a shifty, possession-type interior receiver, but apparently cannot cover a WR with speed (see avant, jason).
Travis Johnson and Ian Scott have really helped the defensive line to approach respectability. Replacing Hart with Ellison and Oliver has been a plus. Replacing Cason with Gregory has also helped. Cromartie has simply played better than he did earlier. Guys on defense seem to be getting to a point where they trust their teammates to do what they’re supposed to do and are not trying to do too much themselves which has resulted in fewer breakdowns. Also, you can’t overstate the importance of Merriman getting healthy.
The emergence of Malcom Floyd and Legedu Naanee has been huge on offense. The return and improvement of Vasquez at right guard has been big as has the improvement of Mruczkowski at center. Tolbert has also provided some spark.
Overall, the playcalling has also improved.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Is someone from MHR going to do a similar Q and A at BFTB?????
I didn’t see one on the redskins site last week.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Agreed. Me too.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 17, 2009 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
i really appreciate you guys coming over here and
being classy enough to have a civil discussion on such a passionate rivalry.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
It’s not that hard. It isn’t like you guys are acting like Chiefs fans or anything.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 4:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
LOL
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
by Troy Hufford on Nov 17, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
thank God for that for both of us ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Nov 17, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
That's just friggin' hilarious. (Sound of hand slapping knee).
by Chiefs_10_TG on Nov 18, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
Just a joke my friend
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Nov 18, 2009 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
What are the 2010 draft needs?
Do you think the front office will draft by need, best player available or some combination?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
1. Nose Tackle
2. Defensive End
3. Running Back
4. Offensive Tackle
They’ll probably draft by some combination of need and bpa.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
Obviously...
These are subject to change based on who we do/don’t resign prior to the draft.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
I’d argue those rankings, but we always disagree on that. I think, and I’m willing to bet the team thinks, the Nwagbuo and Martin are ready to be worked into the starting equation next season. I’d say JW/OG split time at NT, Martin and Cesaire (and Bingham?) split time at DE.
I think RB and OT are bigger needs. Also, unless Byrd is making good progress the team is going to need to take a shot at another WR.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 18, 2009 3:27 AM MST up reply actions
I tend to
agree with Richard. It’s the defense that needs the most help, Jamal is ancient and our DE’s aren’t amazing. I’d even take another OLB if he had serious skills. RB is obviously a must though.
Not that I wouldn’t like an upgrade at OT, WR depends on who we can keep.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 18, 2009 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
We’re a top 5 offense and a bottom 10 defense.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 18, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
I think that has more to do with the defensive line being young (specifically Nwagbuo and Martin) than untalented. I don’t think you can give up on those guys yet, considering they are and always have been considered “projects”.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 18, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Key word missing: "potentially"
All you guys know your stuff better, so forgive me for chiming in; I’d say the Chargers are without a doubt potentially a Top 5 offense, but they haven’t figured it out yet: too inconsistent with both play-calling and execution. The injury to Hardwick has been huge, but while they have been adjusting and trending better, they still aren’t clicking on all cylinders the way they could….
On defense, they’re potentially a middle-of-the-pack defense, but, I agree, are still a Bottom 10 defense when considering their body of work over the whole year.
The team clearly needs to draft lineman on both sides of the ball and a running back. Personally, I don’t see the need to draft a WR — unless they’re ridiculously stupid and let Vincent Jackson go….
I was referring to their then current rankings by Weighted DVOA.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 AM MST up reply actions
SD had a bunch of big plays against us.
Here’s a quick list of SD’s 10 longest plays from scrimmage sorted by quarter (from nfl.com gamebook):
Qtr Play Start Play Description
1 1-10-SD 45 (8:56) P.Rivers pass short middle to L.Tomlinson to DEN 30 for 25 yards (A.Goodman) [E.Dumervil].
1 1-10-50 (2:12) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to M.Tolbert to DEN 28 for 22 yards (C.Bailey).
1 1-10-DEN 28 (1:40) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass deep middle to A.Gates to DEN 7 for 21 yards (C.Bailey, R.Hill).
1 3-9-SD 25 (9:39) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to M.Floyd to SD 45 for 20 yards (C.Bailey).
1 1-10-SD 6 (10:49) P.Rivers pass deep right to M.Floyd ran ob at SD 24 for 18 yards.
2 3-3-SD 36 (4:35) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to A.Gates to DEN 47 for 17 yards (D.Williams).
3 2-10-SD 28 (11:40) P.Rivers pass short right to M.Tolbert to SD 46 for 18 yards (R.Hill).
3 1-10-SD 26 (3:39) L.Tomlinson right end pushed ob at SD 43 for 17 yards (B.Dawkins).
4 2-21-SD 9 (7:14) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to V.Jackson to SD 26 for 17 yards (C.Bailey).
4 1-10-SD 46 (2:05) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass deep left to V.Jackson ran ob at DEN 36 for 18 yards (A.Goodman).
What I remember was that SD was just gashing our D in the 1st quarter, but then seemed to go away from what was working (short passes up the middle). Was there a reason for this or was it just Norv being Norv?
possibly good defensive coaching for denver
i remember adjustments were being made on d to blitz and take away short/hot routes, leaving the deep stuff to be single-covered (not really a word) and hoping pressure would get to rivers before he could get it out there. it did, and that’s why SD was completely shut down and out of sync in the second half.
quite frankly, i don’t know why we haven’t seen more interior blitzes since then. even philly limited their blitzes last week.
quick follow-up question: why has the denver D been gashed by the run the past few games?
My guess: three factors
Three factors:
1. Normally we rotate a lot of people in and out on the defense to keep people fresh. Opposing offenses have been going no-huddle to prevent this. We’re thinner on the line than other spots so we start to wear down.
2. Our offense has been in a hurry to get off the field the last few games (and not by scoring). TOP from the last three losses:
Baltimore: 26:23
Pittsburgh: 26:57
Washington: 24:17
We haven’t sustained drives which puts even more pressure on our defense. We looked gassed by mid way through the 3rd quarter.
3. We were losing. Teams that are ahead run the ball more.
SD’s last place running game is an interesting match-up with our recently porous run defense. I have no idea what will happen on Sunday. LT could go for 150 or SD might only run for 30yds on the day. It could go either way.
Thanks for the post John,
however I am waiting to see how Orton does. That is if he plays.
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Merriman?
The consensus earlier in the season seemed to be the AJ Smith would probably not resign Merriman. Any news on this front especially now that Merriman is playing better. Any feeling that he will be or won’t be a Charger next year.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 18, 2009 8:44 AM MST reply actions
I don't think anything has changed
AJ Smith does not want to pay top-dollar for a player like Merriman. If there’s no CBA in place, and Merriman is a RFA, he’ll be back. If there is a CBA, and Merriman is an UFA, he’ll leave town and go for the most money.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 18, 2009 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
Denver putting pressue on Mr. Rivers
is the key to Denver winning. How much pressure has Denver put on opposing QBs during this current 3 game skid? How many sacks has DOOM gotten? 1?
That was a big reason that Denver was 6-0 to start, but it seems that Offenses have adjusted to preventing that, and as a result, have been gashing the Defense. It’s not pretty.
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It’s not pretty.
But enough on Philip Rivers.
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 18, 2009 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
Doom has slowed down on the sacks but he’s still putting pressure on the qb…the main thing I see is they are not stopping the run. They gave up over 100yds rushing to each of the last 3 teams…can you say they just didn’t control the tempo of the game? Plus, they couldn’t get the run game going themselves.
Against SD, they need to go back to what gave them that 6 game winning streak. They need to be aggressive on both sides of the ball and not let up.
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Denver despite being a good running team is one of only two teams the Chargers have successfully stopped in the running game. Denver won that game on the strength of their passing offense and return game. The Chargers’ kick coverage has improved since the last game and they have to hope an injured Orton or a lousy Simms keeps that passing game in check.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 18, 2009 9:45 PM MST up reply actions
The D
How many sacks has DOOM gotten? 1?
1.5, but your point is well taken. The biggest changes that I’ve seen are problems in coverage and issues with gap control. After coming out and being very disciplined early on, the D has struggled over the past three games to stay in their gaps. That lack of discipline has created problems .
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by Doc Bear on Nov 18, 2009 10:32 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
What’s your theory as to why they’ve been so undisciplined and has the team made any changes to address it?
The Chargers, a few weeks ago, identified Antoine Cason as somebody who was not playing great team defense (even though he led the team in interceptions) and replaced him with somebody who would. The defense, as a whole, has gotten much stronger because of that move.
Can you identify anybody on defense that has been undisciplined?
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by John Gennaro on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
DJ Williams if you ask me
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by dmitchell624 on Nov 18, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Agree
He looks like he’s back to the “almost always hits the wrong hole, engages the blocker instead of the ball carrier, wtf is he doing?” DJ Williams of a few years ago. He looked good earlier in the season. I wonder what is going on?
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 18, 2009 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
I've been out on medical stuff John
Love to hear from someone who’s had more time for that – I don’t have a specific answer, but that pattern stood out on the little tape that I got to watch.
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Sorry my question is so late....
What is your view on Eric Weddle? He seems like a solid safety but we were able to expose him a little in the first game with Tony Scheffler. Do you see them making an adjustment and putting someone else on him?
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Yes yes yes
Weddle has always had a problem defending TEs. Let’s just say that the 5’11", 200lbs he’s listed at is probably generous. That means against most TEs he’s giving up a half-foot and at least 25 lbs. In 2008, his weakness covering TEs (especially in jump-ball situations) was exposed over and over again.
I believe the Chargers spent that game trying to get Kevin Ellison (6’1", 220) matched up on Sheffler and were successful most of the time doing that. They’ll try to do that again, and Chargers fans just have to hope that Weddle doesn’t end up covering Sheffler near the end zone again.
Besides his problems with covering big, strong TEs…..Weddle is fantastic and a cornerstone of the defense. He excels in coverage, has spent this season laying big licks (knocked Kevin Boss out of the Giants game) and is the definition of a “ballhawk”.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 19, 2009 3:51 AM MST up reply actions
Rivers
Judging by my eyeball test over the last 3-4 years, he has consistently gone at Bailey more often and with greater success than has any other QB in the league. I know part of it last year was our absolute lack of anything even remotely resembling a pass rush, but what’s your take? Is it scheme? Is it just Rivers being Rivers and asserting his ego, willpower, whatever?
(You have no idea how much it kills me every time I point out to someone…especially my co-worker and best friend, who happens to be a Bolts fanatic…that Rivers has kind of owned Bailey in recent years.)
No clue
It could be Vincent Jackson being a poor matchup for Bailey, it could be Rivers not giving Bailey any of the “tell-tale” signs that he’s always looking for to get a jump on the ball. I have no clue.
Contrary to his reputation, especially with Denver fans, Philip Rivers does not have a big ego. He would not risk the success of the offense and the team (which he knows rests on his shoulders) just so he could say he beat Champ Bailey. With the consistency that he’s thrown at him, there can really only be two reasons why:
1) He sees some sort of “tell” in Bailey’s game, some weakness that nobody else has picked up on, and he’s not sharing the info.
2) He has 100% confidence in Vincent Jackson to either catch the ball or defend the pass, so the CB he’s going up against doesn’t really matter.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 19, 2009 3:55 AM MST up reply actions
Thoughts on these guys?
Larry English
Brandyn Dombrowski
Scott Mruczkowski
How do you feel they have done so far, do you expect them all to contribute more the rest of the year / next year?
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