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Horse Tracks 11/19/09 - According to AP, Kyle Orton has torn ligaments in ankle

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DB - Week 11 - Wed: McDaniels - Broncos TV

AP - Simms Gets The Reps, Orton Sits Out Practice - Arnie Stapleton
"The ligaments in Kyle Orton's left ankle are torn. He certainly isn't." WHAT?!?!?!?!

DPP - Broncos QB Orton hurting but hopes to play - Mike Klis
"His sore ankle — initially twisted two weeks earlier against the Baltimore Ravens — had not healed sufficiently to participate in practice."

DPP - Berger's net punting is Broncos' more important statistic - Lindsay Jones
"Elvis Dumervil has been credited with an additional half a sack in Denver's game at Washington, bringing his season total to 12...In addition to quarterback Kyle Orton, whose injured left ankle kept him sidelined, wide receiver Brandon Marshall (neck), running back LaMont Jordan (back), offensive tackle Ryan Harris (toe) and safety Josh Barrett (hamstring) did not participate...Rookie tight end Richard Quinn was yanked during a blocking drill against linebackers Wednesday and reprimanded for several minutes by position coach Clancy Barone."

DPP - Broncos in a rush to stop the run - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Q&A: Stokley no longer star receiver in Broncos' slot - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Analysis: Broncos looking to buck disturbing late-season trend - Jeff Legwold
"They lost five of their last seven in 2006, lost four of the last six in 2007 and lost four of the last six last year, including the last three games of the season."

Star-divide

 

DB - Quarterback Quandary - Gray Caldwell

DB - Bringing a Backfield Presence - Chris Gentilviso
"Denver forced four fumbles in its 34-23 Week 6 win over San Diego...Since that Oct. 19 game, the Broncos have forced a total of two fumbles in their three losses to the Ravens, Steelers and Redskins."

DB - Week 11 - Wed: Orton - Broncos TV

DB - Week 11 - Wed: Dawkins - Broncos TV

DPP - Woody's Mailbag: Broncos broken down
"I give my opinion, which is based on sound information, thoughtful research and observation, unlike some kid in Arizona who is a Broncos fan and writes a blog, without proper grammar or punctuation or understanding, from his mom's laundry room and think he knows what he's talking about, and people actually pay attention."

"People tell me Robert Ayers is sensational. He has made one play." Funny, the "one play" Woody credits Ayers as having made is the one play where he probably just happened to be in the right place at the right time (the fumble return for TD).

"Also, if you have a quarterback who doesn't throw down the field (until the Washington game), cornerbacks cheat up; the defense can put a safety in the box, and the defensive line can sell out on the run." Hasn't it been established on MHR that in the Broncos' losses, the opposing defenses have gotten a rush out of their front 7, therefore not needing to keep two safeties deep bring up either of their safeties? Or was I imagining things?

CSG - McDaniels doesn't say what injured Orton's status is - Frank Schwab

CSG - Broncos won't devise different game plans for quarterbacks - Frank Schwab

CSG - Broncos, Chargers going opposite directions - Frank Schwab

CBS4 - Hnida: Hard To Assess Orton's Ankle At This Point

DPP - Numbers: Broncos-Chargers rivalry hits the century mark

KDVR - Chargers vs. Broncos Round II - Chris Tanaka

KDVR - Insider's Blog: Broncos Ryan Harris, Robert Ayers; Redskins Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts - Josina Anderson

Chargers News

SDUT - Tucker to IR - Kevin ACee

SDUT - Denver aware of Chargers' second-half surges

SDUT - Gamer Gates - Kevin Acee

AFC West News

KCS - Passing game must adjust to life without Bowe - Adam Teicher

KCS - Chiefs buzz: Brown AFC defensive player of the week - Kent Babb

SFC - The future is no longer now - Russell's out - David White

SFC - RAIDERS' FUTURE - Team extends lease at Coliseum 3 years - David White & Carolyn Jones

SFG - Raiders Silver and Black Blog : Cable on JaMarcus - David White

NFL News

NFL - Survey: Players hide concussions, despite fear of long-term effects

NFL - Brown lost for season with bad foot; Williams now Dolphins' top RB

NFL - Childress close to contract extension with Vikings

NFL - Doctors see improvement in Eagles' Westbrook after concussion

NFL - Jets safety Leonhard's status vs. Pats unknown after thumb surgery

NFL - Double whammy: Seahawks CBs Trufant, Wilson suffer concussions

NFL - Lions put S Manuel, CB Williams on injured reserve, add two players
Yes, that Manuel.

NFL Opinion

NFP - Tavern talk: Scoring too early can hurt - Mike Lombardi

SI - Saints, Colts remain on top - Don Banks

NFL - Let's get wild: Playoff races heating up heading into Week 11 - Steve Wyche

SI - NFL regular season would be fine if more games added - Ross Tucker

SN - Week 11 picks: Chargers surging for a Mile High pass - Vinnie Iyer

CBS - Sorry, Colts/Saints fans ... Super Bowl highly unlikely - Clark Judge

ESPN - More coaching firings likely on the horizon - John Clayton
"Certainly, the idiot -- that would be yours truly -- who said the Broncos would finish the season with a 3-13 record won't be overly critical about a team he miscalculated."

FOX - Week 11 Cheat Sheet: NFL picks and predictions - Peter Schrager

FH - Dirty Dozen: The Mysteries of Rankings - Dave Goldberg

FH - Steelers Kick Coverage Team May Break Records ... In a Bad Way - J.J. Cooper

FH - How Might Miami Replace Ronnie Brown? - Chris Burke

NYT - N.F.L. Week 11 Probabilities, and a Forecast for Jets-Patriots - Brian Burke

Y! - Disruptive behavior a winning formula route for Johnson - Charles Robinson

NFP - Wednesday whys: Concerns send Westbrook to specialists - Andrew Brandt

NFL - Lofty expectations have played into Ryan's sophomore struggles - Bucky Brooks

NFP - The NFP Super 30 - Wes Bunting

SN - Mock draft: Mays the solution for Giants' struggling secondary? - Russ Lande

Shanny/Bills/Browns

NFL - Shanahan likely to meet with Bills officials next week

DP - Memo to Shanny: Just say no to Buffalo - Jim Armstrong
I was stunned by this, too - at least Shanny is checking out all his options. Maybe he's bored and wants to get out of the house for a couple days?

NFP - Crank up the coaching carousel - Robert Boland

NFP - Diner morning news: No magic wand for Fewell - Mike Lombardi

NFP - Can Perry Fewell win in Buffalo? - Matt Bowen

NFL - Bills interim coach Fewell reinstates Fitzpatrick as QB, fires up team

NFP - Why Quinn should pay big for hit on Suggs - Matt Bowen

NFL - In trouble again: Quinn stumbles in second chance with Browns

Poll
Why do you think Mike Shanahan is going to meet with the Bills?
He's actually interested in the job
111 votes
Out of respect for Ralph Wilson
223 votes
Needs to kill a day or two
79 votes
I have NO idea
98 votes

511 votes | Poll has closed

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It is interesting Stapleton says he has ripped ligaments

but never reveals how he knows that to be a fact. Never refers to that again in the article.

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Nov 19, 2009 6:25 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

It's almost like a throw away line at the beginning of the story.

If he really had the MRI information, that would be the story. Wierd.

by ButteBronco on Nov 19, 2009 9:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Woody

Whew! Arrogant even in defeat.

by Endzone on Nov 19, 2009 6:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

The fact that he brings up the blog comment is telling. A couple of things:

1) He sees it as a threat
2) Gives it more legitimacy

"Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

by TJ Johnson on Nov 19, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Very Telling, Dude

painting the picture of some out-of-state kid blogging about the Broncos from his mom’s laundry room really shows how defensive Woody is about the blogosphere (and probably MHR in particular). He should be defensive. Lord knows I don’t read him with much better alternatives at my fingertips.

Did you hear that, Woody? You are right to be afriad.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 19, 2009 12:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I usually avoid trashing the local Denver media much

The national clowns are just as easy, as targets go, and I know John has to work with the Denver guys, and I don’t want to hurt his ability to do so, since I represent the site.

But Woody Paige is just ridiculous, and I can’t hold back. This site covers the Broncos 10 times better than the Denver Post, at a miniscule fraction of the cost. We are not some kids in a basement in Arizona, obviously. At the staff level, we’re all professionals at something else, who happen to do a better job than the professional writers.

Woody ought to be happy that he can still get paid to write his self-serving drivel, that advertisers haven’t figured out that consumer demand has shifted. The day where the marketplace of ideas values a person like him is coming to an end, and I am proud to be a part of the movement that is leading the way toward that day. Woody’s descent into bitter old manhood is in progress, and it will be a nasty fall when it has completed.

He and Gil Whiteley will soon look back on a time when their bile-filled ramblings mattered, and wonder what happened.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 19, 2009 6:50 AM MST reply actions   4 recs

The choice is simple

I read MHR because the overall quality is much better including the comments. I think some of the writers at the Post add some value (but not Woody), and Horse Tracks makes it so much easier!

by Quietone on Nov 19, 2009 7:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

MHR:

More knowledgeable voices.

More knowledge.

Broad spectrum of choices, opinions, and views.

interaction and therefore accountability with the writers.

educational as well as entertaining.

MHR: the best site for broncos stuff. Period.

"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.

by denver_diaspora on Nov 19, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I would also like to add that sites like the DP are the prototypical fair weather, bandwagon fans. At the first hint of something bad, they jump off and start bashing anything they can think of. I would swear Woody was bipolar by just reading his articles… nothing against people who are bipolar. I have a friend who is and I would feel bad puting him in the same category as Woody.

Anyway, this rubs off on the people that read what these idiots have to say and results in 1/4 of season ticket holders selling their tickets to opposing fans. The media has a lot to do with how the public feels about things…. annoying

by DieselDan on Nov 19, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't stand it either

when a MSM person rips the people who write on blogs as if they don’t know anything. They should do their homework before they rip blogs. However maybe they have because they wouldn’t be so bent out of shape if they thought we were clueless. The MSM is threatened and don’t like it one bit.

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by weazel on Nov 19, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys here at MHR and at the Broncotalk site

are must reads in the morning for Bronco fans, and the Denver Post – not so much.

Blogs are the future of media. Keep up the good work.

by margabelle on Nov 19, 2009 6:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Mornin Doug, Thanks for Tracks...

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Sensitive much, Woody? Sounds like he must be reading MHR and seeing the criticism, because that came out of left field!

by tunga77 on Nov 19, 2009 7:30 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

He has PMS

Post Martini Symptoms.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 19, 2009 8:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That torn ligament thing scares me

Orton had an MRI done. Has anyone from the local media mentioned the Broncos’ report on the results?

Oh. And Woody Paige is essentially saying that having an editor is the mark of legitimacy — that relying on someone else to correct your mistakes, check your facts, or fix your grammatical errors proves your professionalism and speaks to your worth as a writer.

Think about that for a second…

by JeffG on Nov 19, 2009 7:30 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Well, if that’s the case, then Woody still doesn’t have something we don’t, as that’s my other main responsibility here at MHR…

formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan

by Douglas A. Lee on Nov 19, 2009 7:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Today's editors are nothing more than proofreaders

And not very good ones, either.

Woody should have spent more time analyzing the Broncos and less time trying to come up with clever lines to scribble on his Around the Horn blackboard.

Maybe then the Denver Post wouldn’t seem so out of touch with what its hometown team was doing in the off season.

by JeffG on Nov 19, 2009 7:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And Doug does it well

I’ve often been incredibly impressed with his edit skills. It’s a rare article that I don’t run past him – his insight, critiques and comments are as helpful as his metaphoric pen.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 19, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And I don't know if I have ever said thankyou

but definitely thank you! It is impossible for a writer to catch all of their own mistakes under limited time constraints. Doug does an all around awesome job as both a content editor and factchecker.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 19, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Doug is a great editor

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 19, 2009 7:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s the right sentiment. But when there’s a daily newshole to fill, an editor is important and an asset. I mean, who else is going to tell you that your story about how the earth revolves around the sun — and not the other way around — needs some balance in the form of prominent quotes from naysayers? I kid, sort of.

If a municipal services reporter (assuming the Post hasn’t bought them all out) wants to make this claim about an editor, I buy it. Although blogs, especially the newsier ones, have editors too, right? In that case the claim is basically that’s it’s better to be employed by a daily newspaper owned by a corporation whose adherence is to the bottom line, not the quality of the product.

So there’s something to be said about Paige’s argument, I guess. But what serious journalism has to do with a guy whose columns consist almost solely of indecipherable rhyming puns is beyond me.

by Chibronx on Nov 19, 2009 7:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Readers act as editors

Particularly on blogs that allow comments.

Blogs are self-correcting in that way.

by JeffG on Nov 19, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Many blogs do have editors

I personally did a few hours a week on the side a few years back editing a travel blog website’s submissions.

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 19, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

High-Quality Reportage from Bloggers in Mommy's Basement

To take an example, this piece from the National Football Post covers the issues with less drama and equivication — and far more detail — than anything you see at the Post.

And man, oh man, is the NFLPA right to look into this.

by Chibronx on Nov 19, 2009 8:03 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Detroit...where Broncos go to die??

Sheesh….ex-Broncos are dropping like flies over there.

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)

Revised to 11-5 due to reality!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Nov 19, 2009 8:13 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug,

Shannahan sees a possibility and wants to get a head start on other candidates.

Woody just needs to go away. I don’t even stop to read him anymore or anything else form the DP for the most part.

If Orton has torn ligiments then his season could also be done. Is there anyway to verify this is true or just someone else’s opinion?

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Nov 19, 2009 8:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

So after re-reading the Orton ligiment article

I’d have to say that is probably a false statement. Orton sure doesn’t seem to indicate it is anything serious at all. His statements give me the impression it isn’t as serious as his ankle injury last year actually.

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Nov 19, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

all ankle sprains involve some sort of ligament damage

The fact that he was able to stand up on the sideline the entire second half makes me think that its not a fully torn ligament as a fully torn ligament would mean the ankle was unstable and he was not able to put any pressure on it .

by Hoopforia on Nov 19, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

if there was severe ligament damage (TORN) the Broncos would move on as quickly as possible, and I would think Orton would be on the IR, similar to what the Dolphins are doing with Brown right now. The way he walked around afterward I can’t believe it was worse then last years, and at least its not his plant foot.

by cptmorni on Nov 19, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Details and diagnosis

Regarding the ‘torn’ ligaments:

In any sprain, there is some tearing of tissue. In the ankle, it’s likely to be the ligaments, but this is misleading (probably deliberately so). The Dx (sorry – that’s shorthand for diagnosis) is not ‘torn ligaments’ – ligaments that are torn all the way through or are torn to the point of requiring surgical intervention. It’s a sprain, and ligament damage in some degree is part of that. He’s exaggerating for effect instead of giving people accurate information – cheap thing to do, but it gets him attention.

Doc

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 19, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Woody..

At least when you write i don’t have to hear you. We will win this sunday. Go Broncos and MHR!!

by wisco on Nov 19, 2009 8:43 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

Excellent job as usual. Thanks for spoiling us.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 19, 2009 8:58 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Woody is a tool.

I do not read his stuff anymore and will not watch Around the Horn either. It’s time for him to move on.

I think Shanny is keeping all options open. Refuse one interview and maybe another team won’t offer. Not completely sure. I don’t see Shanny in Buffalo.

Heal quickly Kyle.

Thanks Doug for the work you do.

by Beer30Bronco on Nov 19, 2009 9:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Boydy, check out the article on Berger, my friend;-)

I wonder if there was anyone at MHR who was on to this, let’s say, hmm, 3 weeks ago?

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/11/6/1118440/getting-the-berger-picture-why

I’m just sayin’, Mate!

"Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

by TJ Johnson on Nov 19, 2009 9:20 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Paige has it totally wrong with Ayers

I’ve broken down his tape on more than one occasion. Although he doesn’t have the repertoire of moves that he will in another year or two, if you’ve watched his juke move and edge rush, he is solid. He’s been very close to 5 sacks and also has hurried the QB numerous times.

I guess Woody defines “making a play” differently than we all do.

"Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

by TJ Johnson on Nov 19, 2009 9:26 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good points, TJ

That comment just shows that Woody doesn’t know that much and hasn’t studied the game film. Exactly as Don Martindale has told the fans and media, Ayers has done a very good job and continues to improve quickly. his function is often to collapse the pocket, for example, letting Doom reach the QB and cutting off lines of escape. He may, on other plays, hold the edge, even though someone else gets credit for the tackle. It’s an aspect of gap control that is essential to this defense and Woody doesn’t seem to know that. Superficial knowledge doesn’t cut it anymore — if you don’t understand the game, don’t write about it.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 19, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I just went to Broncotalk.net

it appears Woody’s comments were directed at their head writer Kyle who lives in Arizona is only 25 years old and lives with his parents I guess. Anyways Kyle wrote up a rebuttal to Woody’s comments pretty good.

by cptmorni on Nov 19, 2009 11:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Kyle over Woody any day

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 19, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 19, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Well I don’t live with my parents. I own a home in Arizona, and yes, I’m 25. Thanks for the love everybody. MHR and BT, keep proving the DPO wrong…

by kmonty on Nov 19, 2009 7:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget woody....

Did anyone else read the comments from denver “fans” after his write up? My goodness. I didnt realize that there was such an uprising. Why does woody and all these fair weather fans hate this team so much?

by Broncoferg on Nov 19, 2009 9:26 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

I give up on Woody, the best line in Tracks today is Clayton calling himself an idiot. Thats priceless!!!!!!!!!!!

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Nov 19, 2009 9:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I did appreciate that a lot!

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 19, 2009 1:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Woody's just trying to fire up "negative fan guy"

I’m convinced he doesn’t believe what he’s writing. Chumming up the waters for negative fan guy is the only tool he has left in the bag (or ever had). It’s sad on a couple levels. For one, it’s embarrassing to read a grown man behaving in this manner. For another, it’s a depressing glimpse into the state of the fifth estate— it’s not only sportswriters behaving this way.

by ButteBronco on Nov 19, 2009 9:35 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

"it’s a depressing glimpse into the state of the fifth estate"

+1000

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.

by MrFNSunshine on Nov 19, 2009 10:13 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Bravo, Strawman

Now you are moving on to ad hominem. Right up (or is it down?) the totem of logical fallacy.

Here’s a quick note, Woody: if, in responding to a reader letter, you are going to pretend someone knows less than you about football or that their opinion is based on something less legitimate than your “thoughtful research and observation” by claiming they have poor grammar or punctuation, you better make sure you use proper grammar at least in that letter, if not the whole article. Please read up on the proper usage of numbers under ten in a sentence, and note that it is considered a grammatical error to begin a sentence with a contraction like “but”.

Also, Strawman, if you wish to criticize the play of rookie draftees, at least take special teams into consideration. McBath (first) and Bruton (tied for third) are two of the leaders in special teams tackles on this team. McBath also made a key block on the Royal punt return TD (Hillis made the first key block on that play). Perhaps you could take a look at Quinn’s blocking? I guess if you aren’t looking at special teams play, you probably aren’t looking at blocking either.

Furthermore, please don’t make the conclusion of “not starting = useless”, especially for rookies, it’s just wrong. The only defensive players taken ahead of Ayers that are really making any sort of big impact on the defense are Curry, Orakpo, and Cushing, who, not surprisingly, are all linebackers in a 4-3 defense, a position relatively easy for a rookie to instantly contribute at. For the most part, I believe it is actually a good sign when you are not forced to start rookies all over the field. That means you are drafting for depth and allowing time for the rookies to develop and adjust.

Oh well, perhaps Strawman doesn’t have access to the resources these bloggers have in their mothers’ laundry rooms, like game film.

by poorboywilly on Nov 19, 2009 12:40 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Another great irony...

Is that Woody wrote…

“I give my opinion, which is based on sound information, thoughtful research and observation, unlike some kid in Arizona who is a Broncos fan and writes a blog, without proper grammar or punctuation or understanding, from his mom’s laundry room and think he knows what he’s talking about, and people actually pay attention.”

As Kyle pointed out in his retort, “think” should have been “thinks.”

formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan

by Douglas A. Lee on Nov 19, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Ayer's use

I dumped on Woody last time so I won’t bother.

We drafted Ayers with certain duties in mind and it’s that versatility that makes him valuable in the McDaniels (N.E.) scheme. Moreover, anyone who doesn’t understand how useless the defensive statistics are needs to look at the losses and notice that tackles go up when we lose. I don’t think some of the other defensive players who were drafted around Ayers’ pick, such as Cushing, Orakpo, etc., were poor picks, but they’re in different systems and surrounded by different personnel. Most of the picks are going through the same kind of controversy over why they’re not producing. Fans might find it enlightening to look at the progress of some of those alternate draft choices that people were touting and see how well they’ve done so far this year.

Expectations usually outstrip 1st year performance, which is why I detest someone like Paige because he plays on the psychology of his readers. The whole point of bringing in these players is to develop them as talents, and that’s a multi-year project. It’s not about how good they were or whether we misjudged the draft; it’s about a training process that takes time to complete.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Nov 19, 2009 11:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

totally agreed

And it is far better to be able to keep these young, new players mostly as depth, and be able to ease them into the game. Do you really want multiple rookies starting on your team? I think that speaks ill of your overall talent base. We’ve got one rookie starting at RB, arguably the easiest position to make a first-year impact in the NFL. The rest of them are learning the game and have all impacted positively so far, except Olsen, who has clearly been reserved for depth all along—and it is extremely valuable to have solid depth on the o-line. This means our veterans are playing well and injuries have not stacked up too much.

by poorboywilly on Nov 19, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

added comments

You’ve made the point I thought of making. RBs and LBs (LB43) can demonstrate their value through statistical measures but many players can’t. Ayers, although a LB, isn’t used in a way that would facilitate putting up big numbers.

Fantasy football has produced a situation where the accumulation of statistics is the point, and that’s exactly what Martindale said in an interview regarding Ayers.

What POs me when hearing comments by Paige and his ilk about the supposed lack of contribution by Ayers, etc., is that it implies that we’d be better off if we took the unwise course of development. High tackle numbers often speak to a situation where a player is thrown into the fire early on a bad team. This is the major rebuilding scenario in which a team decides that things are so bad that they’re willing expose their young talent to baptism by fire. Teams in this situation are in such bad shape that they willingly forgo possible current success in order to give young talent experience.

Taking Woody’s analysis on it’s face — our problem is having Dumervil, since he’s preventing Ayers from accumulating more statistics. In other words, Ayers would be a better player (purportedly) if we were a worse team.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Nov 20, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It's also a classic run-on sentence, badly composed and meandering

Any HS-level editor would have rejected or changed it on that basis alone. If someone wants to put on airs as a ‘real professional’ I’d expect their attack on another writer to reflect that in language, usage and composition. In point of fact, where a person does or does no live has nothing at all to do with their expertise or the quality of their writing. ‘Strawman’ indeed. Ad hominem attack? Absolutely. Debate a rational point or leave off, please – no one really cares about what other writers you don’t like.

Kyle’s site does well. Perhaps that’s how he’ll make his living – or even does so already. The ‘Father of HS Scouting’, Tom Lemming, started his business of writing a publication of HS scouting results and selling it to whoever would pay back in the 1970’s. It was years before he made a living at it, but his expertise has become legendary. This kind of attack, by Paige, is meaningless. Following your dream is a bad thing? Starting up a website is a bad thing? Nonsense.

The fact that some of the ‘facts’ of football escaped Paige on that day also seems relevant. If your personal opinions are based in sound information or understanding they should reflect that understanding of the game. His attack on Ayers completely ignored the information that Don Martindale gave the press when he was interviewed about Ayers performance, about 2-3 weeks ago. Jason is correct regarding the special teams play of McBath and Bruton (did anyone miss that great ST tackle that Bruton made in WAS?). Smith has shown great promise and has had some issues, but that’s common in a rookie and is meaningless in and of itself. This is just bad writing. That’s not because he’s paid for it, but in spite of that fact.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 19, 2009 1:35 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

My Ankle Was Once Run Over By A Car

but I walked away from the accident with hardly a scratch. Let me just say El Paso, Texas drivers SUCK (it was a Steelers fan that ran me over and I had a Denver Broncos tie on, go figure). As one who has had ankle trouble, it all depends on how you feel, or if you can walk on it. Orton obviously has been able to walk on it and perhaps McDaniels was just giving Simms more reps because Chris sucked so badly against the Skins that Coach took pity on him. I’m pretty sure Orton can go Sunday. Screw the MSM.

Brad James

by the Bradfather on Nov 19, 2009 3:20 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Woody Condemns the BCS

so that’s his saving grace. Paige, once again, I seriously adjure you, quit writing about the Broncos and the NFL in general. It’s embarrassing for Broncos fans, your editors and most importantly, you when you keep flubbing things.

Brad James

by the Bradfather on Nov 19, 2009 3:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me

or is Woody Paige starting to get pretty annoying?

by NxtYrNvrArrives on Nov 19, 2009 5:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Don’t answer that…

by NxtYrNvrArrives on Nov 19, 2009 5:56 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Since it hasn't been done yet

Welcome NxtYrNvrArrives.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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