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Potent Quotables - Ravens 30 - Broncos 7 - Post-Game Thoughts

**Courtesy of the Denver Broncos P.R. Staff(via Baltimore's P.R. Staff)

Head Coach Josh McDaniels

(opening statement) "Let me start by saying Baltimore did a nice job today. [They] deserve a lot of credit. We were out-coached, out-played, basically, in every phase. Coach [John] Harbaugh did a nice job, obviously, of getting their team ready to go. Anytime you go on the road against a good football team and you don't bring your ‘A' game, this is what can happen to you. We've got a lot of work ahead of us here, a lot of improving to do - which we knew we had to do anyway. This is the easiest way to see it come true."

(on if this was the result of any bye week blues) "No. They didn't have any bye week blues. No. That has nothing to do with it, whatsoever."

(on if the first play of the game resulting in a QB Kyle Orton sack hurt their rhythm) "Yeah. We missed a protection. It happened a few times today, I think. We think our protection in general was not as good as it's been so far this year. That was certainly an example of that - miscommunication, missed protection, missed block, whatever it may be. Again, it was not a good way to start any game, with a sack like that."

(on if the Ravens were more aggressive than they had been) "I don't know overall, numbers-wise, but we knew they were a pressure team when they want to do it. They kind of picked their spots, and really they hurt us with some different schemes and pressures throughout the game. I think they started more aggressively than they have, but it really wasn't about the free blitzers in the backfield most of the time. It was more of getting beat here or there. We've got to do a better job of coaching them, and we've got to do a better job of executing."

(on if a loss like this can be beneficial in the long run) "I think anytime you have a game like this it forces you to look in the mirror and really tell yourself where you're at individually and as a football team. We've got eight days now to get ready for the Steelers, and those are going to be eight hard days, good days hopefully. We need to... You can find out just as much about one another and your team and your staff through the adversity of a loss as you can through six wins. We're going to find out how we respond."

Star-divide

(on if he's concerned about special teams) "Yeah, I mean anytime you give up a kick for a score, and there were some other things I'm sure that weren't perfect either in the kicking game. That's obviously a big part of what we do and what we preach and how we try to win. Anytime that you lose that phase in a game, it really hurts your opportunities and chances to win the game as a whole. We need to do better, we need to coach better, and we need to play better."

(on what he thought of P Mitch Berger) "[He had] good hang time, gave our gunners the opportunity to get down there and cover some, create some fair catches. I don't think they had too many opportunities to just catch it and take it back on us. Again, we're worried more about the net than the gross, and I thought he did a decent job of giving us the opportunity to down the punt there before the half. But, that will get better. It will keep getting better."

(on what specifically the Ravens did well in the second half) "They ran the ball. I thought they made a nice adjustment at the beginning of the third quarter, and really ran the ball when they got the ball back there after our score. [They] ran the ball well from some different sets, different personnel groupings, a little bit differently than they had in the first half. And [Joe] Flacco really did a nice job. Give them credit, like I said. [He] did a nice job of hitting some things, and then he bought himself some time. There were chances where we had an opportunity to get him in the pocket, and just didn't get it done. He's a good player, we know that. He creates a lot of plays like that. Again, they executed better than we did, and they deserved to win because of it."

(on the Ravens being mindful of how the Broncos had dominated in the second half) "It doesn't surprise me that they're very aware of that. John does a great job of coaching this team. I'm sure that kickoff return right there really threw some life into them, not that they needed it. But, to really start the second half of the game against a team that had done well in the second half for the most part the whole entire season, that was disappointing on our end. Probably gave them a lot of energy."

(on what he thought of Ravens RB Ray Rice) "The same thing I thought about him before we played him. He's a really good football player, really good back, hard to bring to the ground. We probably missed more tackles against Ray Rice than we've missed in a while. He does that to you with his style of running: He's low to the ground and hard to get down. [We've] got to do a better job of tackling and wrapping him up, because he showed today why he's a great player in this league."

(on if he has any updates on T Ryan Harris' injury) "I do not. I do not have any report in terms of the overall thing. We're going to see how that... We're going to do some tests and all that."

(on if he was preparing himself for a loss that would be coming at some point) "It's hard to go through the season and not lose one. Certainly we don't go into any week thinking that's what's going to happen. It's very disappointing. I'm disappointed in myself, disappointed in the way our team played today. I think we're a better football team than that. But again, you're only as good as you play, and we didn't play very well today."

(on if it concerns him that the breakdowns were everywhere) "Any mistake is concerning, obviously. We've said, and again, this is always one of those things where you face a little adversity with a loss, and then you realize that maybe some of the things that you thought were good enough just aren't good enough. Even the things that you feel like you're doing well after a loss become more glaring, and you really take the time to evaluate what you are good at, and what you're not good at. Some of the things that you think that you're pretty strong in those areas, you need to address those and become stronger. Because, obviously, what matters the most is how you're playing at the end of the season, not in September. We've got a lot of work to do, and we can get better."

(on if he split time between CBs Jack Williams and Alphonso Smith because of reps) "We were playing them both. Going into the game, they both practiced at that spot, just moved some guys around. Again, there are some times where the coverage was very good early in the play, and then all of a sudden we'd lose contain in the pass rush, and their guy ends up with the ball, or somebody else's guy ends up with the ball. It looked like the coverage was poor, but we had some breakdowns in our pass rush as well as our coverage. Whenever you have breakdowns in both of those areas, it's not very good."

(on if Ravens QB Joe Flacco is about as good of a second-year quarterback as he's seen) "It's hard to say that in terms of everybody, but I think he's a very good football player. He's a good quarterback. [He] made a lot of tough plays under duress today, you know. He has shown the ability to do that before, it didn't surprise us that he was tough to get down in the pocket. [He] doesn't easily give up on plays. This guy is a lot like the guy we're going to get ready to play this coming week [Ben Roethlisberger] in that there's not much ‘give up' in Joe Flacco. He showed the ability to keep some plays alive, and really hurt us."

(on how much the running game has made Flacco better) "Anytime you have a good running game, that makes life easier on the quarterback, because if you've got to bring an extra guy down there to defend the running game, then I think that opens some things up in the passing game. They've got a good football team all around. We're not talking about a team that's a one-man band, or one of two guys are carrying this team. That's a really good football team over there in the other locker room that played much better than we did today, coached better than we did today, and deserved to win."

QB Kyle Orton

(on the Ravens' defense) "We didn't play our best ball. They're a very good team. They beat us good today on all sides of the ball. We just didn't really do a whole lot."

(on trying to go deep) "Offensively, everybody has to play better, myself included. I'm the leader of this offense, and when it doesn't go right, it's on me, so we'll go back to work and make sure we get things fixed for next week."

(on getting first downs) "We talked all week about winning first down and second down and getting into third-and-manageable, and we had a couple of third-and-short distances, and we didn't execute first down. As the game wore on, we were sitting on second-and-long and third-and-long, and when you're playing that kind of defense, when they dial up all of the blitzes, you're going to be in for a long day."

(on being sacked on the first play of the game) "That's not the way you want to start the game for sure, but we had a number of plays, its not just one play. We had a number of plays we didn't execute and a number of plays where they were just better than us. That's just how it went to bed."

(on the vulnerability of the Ravens' secondary) "They played the safeties pretty deep and we're always looking for things to take our shots. They were playing the safeties pretty deep. We tried to work inside on the linebackers but didn't have too much success doing that. We tried throwing outside and didn't have too much success doing that as well. So really not a good day for us, a good day for them, they were a better team today. We'll come back and play better next week."

(on Tyler Polumbus filling in for Ryan Harris) "He played fine, he came in, did his job. But just all around offensively, we didn't play our game. We didn't execute, we got beat by a better defense today."

(on Coach McDaniels being hard on him in the loss, compared to being hard on the wins) "Well, we're going to find out a lot about our team. And I know the type of guys we have in this locker room, we'll come back to work extremely hard, we'll play better on Monday. It is going to be a grind this week and we'll get back to work. I can't wait to get back on the field and get back at it."

S Brian Dawkins

(on the difference in the game)  "The Ravens did a better job of executing down the stretch. I know Coach Harbs [John Harbaugh] from my time in Philadelphia, and I knew they would be well-prepared.  He does a great job preparing teams. Sometimes, you just have to give the other team credit, and they deserve a lot of credit for the way they played."

(on the way the Ravens converted on third down)  "We were ready for the stuff they like to do. We knew what to expect. They just beat us on execution."

(on exchanging jerseys with Ed Reed) "We agreed to exchange jerseys after the game. I always try to do that when I play against guys that I respect."

(on the way Joe Flacco played)  "He was the quarterback we were expecting to play. He's a big, tough guy, and he won't back down. He has a lot of heart and a lot of courage. There aren't many young quarterbacks who have the composure to take hits and deliver the ball on time. He is always calm, no matter what the situation is. He is someone a team can follow."

(on how the Broncos will react to their first loss)  "You always hear players say, ‘we'll have to look at the film,' but most of us know where we messed up. Now, we just go back to practice and work on correcting our mistakes. I've lost games before. Everyone on this team has lost before. The goal is to learn from this game and move forward."

(on the Broncos' vision for the season) "All I say is that next week we want to be 1-0. That's how you do it in this league. We don't look ahead to anyone. Besides, it would be very foolish to look past Pittsburgh."

(on whether the Ravens were desperate for a win) "I don't think that had any effect on the game. If they were 6-0 and we were 3-3, the result may have been the same. That's something that you guys [media] and the fans talk about, but it didn't have any impact on the game."

LB Mario Haggan

(on losing to the Ravens) "To lose like this, it's very hard to take. But the Ravens outplayed us in every phase of the game. They made more plays than we did and they deserved to win. We have to give them credit and move on to our next game."

(on next week's game) "For the first time, we are facing adversity, so we will find out what we're made of. We don't have a lot of time to dwell on this game because we have a huge game coming up against the World Champion Steelers."

(on the way Joe Flacco played)  "We knew he was tough, and we knew he's a hard guy to tackle. He is big and tall and tough, and he moves around well. There were a few times I thought we had him, and he would escape and complete a pass. He made a lot of plays for them, and that's why they won."

ILB Andra Davis

(on the defense) "We have to go back to work. Who said we'd go 16-0? So we have to go back to work tomorrow, watch the tape and learn from our mistakes. We have a huge game next week against Pittsburgh on Monday night at our home so we have to go to work."

(on things to focus on) "Everything. Everything that gave us problems today. We're going to focus on what we did well also. So we have a lot of work to do."

(on the upcoming Monday night game) "Monday, Thursday, Sunday - it doesn't matter. We just have to come back and play better ball."

S Renaldo Hill

 (on the Ravens offensive performance) "They did a good job. They were well-prepared for this ball game and well-coached. They did a good job today. They executed what they needed to do in order to win the game. I tip my hat to them, but we're going to get back to the drawing board and learn from this."

(on what he takes from this loss) "I felt guys continued to play even though they were able to run the ball at the end. Everyone still gave 110 percent. That's one of the things that we'll have to watch the film because I'm sure there are a lot of things to learn from. And I definitely think it will make us a better ball club."

(on the third quarter kickoff return) "It doesn't matter. We know things are going to happen in the game, and we continue to fight. We always find a way to create something on our end. We just didn't create enough on our end today. It definitely helped them out.

DE Elvis Dumervil

(on Ravens' offense) "The offensive line played very well. And [Joe Flacco] had great poise in the pocket. He was able to scramble and keep the play alive. Give them credit, they went out and were the better team today."

(on whether the Ravens were more desperate to win) "I don't call it desperate. I'm sure they wanted to win as much as we wanted to win. They were the better team today and they won. We have to bounce back and get ready for Pittsburgh."

(on the defense being unable to get off the field) "They did a good job of making short third-down distances. So they were able to not be one-dimensional. That was difficult. So we have to do a better job on the early downs."

WR Jabar Gaffney

(on the first loss of the season) "I don't like it. I don't think nobody likes it and that should push us harder, so that we'll never feel like this again."

(on running the 2 minute offense at the end of the game) "We're not going to quit. I mean, there's time on the clock. We still have to play. No matter how far down or up, we still got to play."

(on the offense being one dimensional) "I don't really think we became one dimensional until that last 2 minute drive. We stayed with our offense. They just had a heck of a game plan for us defensively and we just have to go back to work and get better."

(on the Ravens game plan) "I mean the way they got pressure, they did a great job."

(on the offense) "We just didn't execute. We put ourselves in some bad situations, long yardage situations. That's not the way to beat this team. You can't get behind in down and distance."

(on playing Pittsburgh next week) "They're a great team. They're coming off a bye so they'll be well-prepared, and we're coming off a big loss, a very bad loss, and we don't want to feel like this again."

RB Knowshon Moreno

(on his first pro loss) "When you lose, it's not a good feeling. It definitely hurts. They played a really good game, and we have to rebound and come back next week. Play our ‘A' game."

(on the Ravens' defense) "They're a good team. They played a real good game. They made more plays than us and came out with the victory. That's all you can really say about it."

(on the Broncos running game) "They [the Ravens] just played their ‘A' game. We didn't come out and do our part. That's part of the game. We've got to readjust and come back and  play a really good team next week."

RB Correll Buckhalter

(on the Broncos' offense) "We didn't sustain any drives. We didn't put drives together. We didn't play complimentary football today. We just got out and played today. They're a good team and they outplayed us. We have no excuses. We have to regroup and prepare for Pittsburgh."

(on next week playing Pittsburgh) "We have to play complimentary football. The offense has to help out the defense, and the defense has to help out the offense. When you don't play complimentary football, you're going to have days like this. None of us showed up today. We didn't do our job."

(on being 6-1 this season) "Anything can happen. It's a long season. It's important that you take it just one game at a time. Anything can happen. That's the approach we're taking, and we're going to continue to take that approach.

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My favourite quote from McD
You can find out just as much about one another and your team and your staff through the adversity of a loss as you can through six wins. We’re going to find out how we respond."

These were my thoughts exactly after we lost. Let’s see if McD is as good a coach as we think he is, and if we can play better next week at home. I think it’ll be a very tough game and that we will lose, I just want them to play better than this week. If they do that, they can certainly win, but I just want the game to be more competitive. I hate being blown out.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

by solace on Nov 2, 2009 6:43 AM MST reply actions  

+1

I hate losing. period. :(

by march20 on Nov 2, 2009 6:46 AM MST up reply actions  

I read McD's...skimmed through the rest.

I can only focus on a loss just so much.

Favorite quote of this post…the very first one by John Bena:

**Courtesy of the Denver Broncos P.R. Staff(via Baltimore’s P.R. Staff)

lol!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

by Tim Lynch on Nov 2, 2009 7:41 AM MST reply actions  

Easy.

Step 1
Catch the ball.

Step 2
Don’t get blasted by Ed Reed.

Honestly, there wasn’t a lot he could do about that. He just turned his head around and saw number 20 flying into him. It was just a great hit by Reed. That’s why he is one of the best safeties in the game.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 2, 2009 8:32 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, agree

even the best players in the league fumble now and then. That was a huge shot right on the arms and ball at a time when Knowshon wasn’t completely ready for impact.

It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

by Trogdoor on Nov 2, 2009 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

On the fence...

…because Reed made a great play, but Knowshon’s job is to hold onto the ball. Once it’s in his hands, he needs to expect that 11 guys are going to try to hit him. Especially against a D like Baltimore’s, he needs to know that 11 guys are coming after that ball.

Everyone does fumble from time to time, but Knowshon is putting it on the ground TOO MUCH. It’s a completely fixable problem (ask Tiki Barber). I just hope it gets fixed soon.

by ncm42 on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Someone should have told Kyle Orton

To not stare at a target for 3 seconds, pump fake to him, then lob the ball so a perfectly timed hit could take place.

Not soley on Moreno.

by _Atwater27 on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

and not entirely on Orton

either. More on the Ravens D and Ed Reed than anyone else.

It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

by Trogdoor on Nov 2, 2009 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

someone should have blocked Ed Reed

What no one has mentioned — but which I think is impressive — is that Orton didn’t fumble on the first play of the game.

An untouched LB has a free, blind-side hit, and Orton was hangs on because he’s got two hands on the ball.

It turned out not to make a difference in the game, but that was impressive nonetheless.

Less impressive was the missed assignment.

by JeffG on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

Amazing actually.

- Jason

Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI

by jubei on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

No one can ever say you aren’t loyal to the orange and blue 27s. ; )

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

A whole lot of it was on Moreno . . .

I ran that replay several times. In my opinion, Moreno carried most of the blame for that fumble . . . not necessarily that he couldn’t hang onto the ball because Reed blasted him just a split second after the ball got there. Where Moreno goofed up was that, instead of getting out to where he was supposed to be right now, he just sort of drifted that way, forcing Orton to double-pump his throw because Orton saw Moreno was not ready.

On the other side of Orton, Clady had whiffed his block on that play, and the pass rusher was breathing down Orton’s neck, so Orton knew he had to do something in a hurry. He didn’t have time for his eyes to go anywhere else.

Orton actually did a fine job on that play. Trouble is, so did Ed Reed . . .

BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Nov 2, 2009 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess the bottom line is

Ed Reed should be in the conversation of Top 3 Safties of the Decade and guys like that just find a way to make plays.

by _Atwater27 on Nov 2, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

what is really interesting about the purple 20

is that he wasn’t supposed to be there. He freelances for the Ravens, something which they actually wanted him to cut down on a little, since they felt it was hurting their pass defense. Well in this game, he was a screen busting machine. We can’t overestimate the man’s instincts when it comes to sniffing out those misdirection plays, he simply isn’t fooled. He is their DEEP safety, yet he was still the guy who came in to break up not just that screen but also a couple of others, because he saw immediately what the play was (instincts and film study, and he is one of the best at film study). He wasn’t blocked because there isn’t a blocker at that level for the safety, that is the job of some 2nd level pulling lineman or TE, probably from the other side of the formation.

My guess as to why Orton laid it in there the way he did? The pump and lob was forced by Jarrett Johnson, who was a terror all day and was int he throwing lane on that play, and the hesitation came from the recognition that something wasn’t right over there. I don’t know what other options Orton had, other than to just try for a completion, but methinks he didn’t have any. Reed was pivotal in keeping a lot of our field stretching, long pursuit, screen-style plays from being productive.

I am curious as to whether that was by design, or whether he was being his usual badass freelancing self…. with the talk coming out ofthe organization that they wanted him to stay at home more (since it helped the players around him more) I tend to think he was given a sort of “screen-spy” role against Denver…

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish..

He would have gone with his initial ‘something wasn’t right’ inclination but that’s neither here nor there at this point.

Atleast he didn’t turn the ball over 6 times like ole Kurt Warner did yesterday huh?

by _Atwater27 on Nov 2, 2009 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Last week...

When McDaniels gave the team the rest of the week off…I thought it was a mistake. They should have come down to Pikes Peak and dragged tires up to the top through the snow!

It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

by Trogdoor on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 AM MST reply actions  

And then....

come down to Pueblo and swim the entire length of Lake Pueblo!!!!!

by CyberSpartacus on Nov 2, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

And then....

come up to Montana for a soak in our hot springs and a nice relaxing stress free vacation.

Wait, what?

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by broncosmontana on Nov 3, 2009 6:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think he fumbled at all at Georgia.

Now he has 3 lost ones in seven games.

It didn’t cost the Broncos the game, but it is just a matter of time.

Hold on to the rock!

by precisiontint on Nov 2, 2009 10:57 AM MST reply actions  

this is what matters

Moreno isn’t a fumbler. Obviously, a player can always develop bad habits, but this isn’t like Tiki, who carried the ball in a way that had to be corrected by coaching. Moreno carries with contact on three points, he instinctually covers in traffic, he switches hands instinctually.

More than anything, he has that elusive McD characteristic of “character.” The more Moreno fumbles, the less likely he will be to fumble, because he is cognizant of how much it hurts the team, and the fact that label or no label, it is his responsibility to address this growing concern.

Remember how orton said it was refreshing to have a coach who understood that his game wasn’t about turnovers? Well, Knowshon’s game isn’t about fumbles. I, for one, have his back, and trust him.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2009 12:13 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

I agree for the most part, but...

…at some point, if someone fumbles enough, they become a fumbler. I just hope we aren’t seeing warning signs of a bigger problem. I agree with your bigger point, that he has the right character to overcome these little hiccups…

by ncm42 on Nov 2, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

what I'm saying is that you are wasting your hope

these aren’t warning signs. If there were warning signs, they should have cropped up before the first three fumbles of his career, college or pro. It was a special play by Ed Reed, nothing more, nothing less.

I agree that if someone fumbles enough, they deserve the label of fumbler. But let that issue take care of itself… what I am seeing from several commenters is a backhanded way of applying the label, and then saying, again in a backhanded way, “I hope I am wrong to apply that label to Moreno.”

No one has to to ‘hope’ if they aren’t applying the label in the first place.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2009 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I should have said

“your hope is misplaced” rather than wasted. Also the use of the word “backhanded” gives my comment an implication I didn’t intend for it to have, though I can’t think of a different word right now… this is all said with due respect.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahahaah....

noted, and you absolutely don’t have to explain yourself to that degree. I know I’m on MHR, and not the DP! ; )

please take any negative connotations in my posts with a grain of salt too, as I am typing as quickly as possible before the boss sees, and not giving as much thought to my words as I normally would….

by ncm42 on Nov 2, 2009 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Well...

I may be splitting hairs, but I feel three fumbles lost in 7 games is too many. In my eyes, it is on the line of earning someone the rep as a fumbler. But I hope this is an aberration, and that his ratio of fumbles per carry decreases as he gets more carries. I still believe in the kid, and think he can be a special back. But I also am not going to just ignore the fact that he fumbles too much. If his name was Hillis, 3 fumbles may have already earned him a spot on the bench, and I think he is too talented to be risking that…

by ncm42 on Nov 2, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

see Portis, Clinton

for an example of a superstar that fumbled a few times early in his career. He didn’t turn out too bad for us. ; )

Faith my friend. Knowshon is being coached by Bobby Turner, the best in the business.

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Thank you!

That’s exaclty what I’m trying to say, just none too eloquently! The “hope” to which I refer is that this 3 fumbles lost in 7 games is one of those little hiccups that a young guy sometimes has, but turns out to be nothing, a la Portis. (Thanks to montana for the assist in helping me figure out what my point is. Unfortunately, I often have that problem, of not knowing the words for what I’m trying to say.)

by ncm42 on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

I know that feeling well, compadre! No worries!

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Adrian Peterson

had 9 fumbles in 2008 (only lost 4, but still put it on the ground 9 times) and he seems to be pretty good.

The one yesterday was a great play by Ed Reed. I am more concerned with how no one blocked Reed than I am Moreno fumbling. More players would lose the ball on that play than not IMO.

by DieselDan on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe an NT!

lol definitely jk

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

or we could pay 100 million dollars for an injury prone D lineman!!!!!!!

Good ideas all around. lol

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 2, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

+27

My thoughts exactly

"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno

Knowshon Moreno=ROY

by stedtfeld on Nov 2, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm more worried about Marshall fumbling than Moreno.

In all fairness, I love what the guy can do when he gets the ball. But he holds the ball in a way that just makes me nervous. Combined with his patented change-of-direction and the fact that there are multiple defenders converging on him, I just kind of hold my breath when he’s making all of those moves.

As for Knowshon, I’m not concerned yet. After fumble #2, I noticed a huge difference in his handling of the ball. He covers when he sees (and sometimes senses) the defenders arriving, and he keeps the ball high and tight when it’s one hand or the other.

Credit Reed for great timing and a great tackle. (Although he was early on the pass to Royal).

- Jason

Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI

by jubei on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I will say this about Moreno...

He never got hit this hard, this often, in college. These hits have been something else, and he is a fighter, so he takes a bit more of a pounding than some others, who go down quicker, might.

But he is a fresh-wheeled, talented young back who is being tempered with every hit. And just like when you temper steel, the energy from the blacksmith’s blows are settling into the very fiber of Knowshon’s being, mingling with his passion to play.

When Ed Reed nailed Knowshon, we as fans saw the sparks. But on a much deeper level than the eyes perceive, he is being strengthened. Not all steel is created equal. Sometimes, it fails to temper without shattering. Sometimes it can’t retain the heat of the forge. Often, the steel cracks and becomes brittle when it is finally quenched, a sign that it was worked too much.

But something tells me that a finer steel has rarely passed beneath the hands of a master smith like Reed. A tension of spirit is being built up within Knowshon, and someday, some team is going to put that tension and strength to the test. When that day comes, I kow who my money is going to be on…

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

With your comparisons of Moreno to tempered steel, are you saying Knowshon should have been a Steeler???

haha just kidding.

Great comment, Styg.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed!

My wife said “Did Knowshon bounce right up after THAT hit!??!” I just smiled and said, “Yes, he sure did. Bounced up quick too!”

by ncm42 on Nov 2, 2009 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks John

It is nice to have these posted. We get a good sense of what Josh is thinking from these. At least as much as he lets us. The Line was definitely offensive.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM MST reply actions  

They were playing the safeties pretty deep. We tried to work inside on the linebackers but didn’t have too much success doing that. We tried throwing outside and didn’t have too much success doing that as well.

I’m really looking forward to seeing the film breakdowns and considering how we will evolve from this in the future. Thanks in advance to all you contributors who study such things.

Also, I’ve seen some things in the press indicating our defense has now been “solved,” but I can’t imagine how that could be if we game plan so differently week to week. Thoughts?

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 11:05 AM MST reply actions  

Not solved

Defense is fine but got zero support from the offense. I think if anything the Ravens came up with a blueprint to ‘solve’ the offense. Knowing that Denver is not willing to throw many medium or deep passes the defense can focus on defending the short passes and screens, attack the running game and attack the qb. Essentially the Ravens said we are going to force Orton to beat us deep and now allow the running game or short passing game to get anything going. I imagine the Steelers are going to go that same route so the offense better be ready. Be interesting to see how McD counters it. Too much talent on this offense to not produce more points than they have so far.

by AKfan on Nov 2, 2009 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

ah yes

I think it was that the offense was “solved.” It will be interesting playing another top team with a dominant safety so soon after the Ed Reed Experience. Seems like a pretty even correlation between Ravens and Steelers Ds, no?

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

In all fairness

I really don’t think Knowshon had complete control of that ball to begin with. I know it was reviewed but I thought it could have been overturned. I don’t really feel the team got beat to a better club. I know the Broncos are capable of playing with anyone in this league. It looked like there was a real lack of intensity that was seen in the previous 6 games. If I had to target one thing that has to be improved on, I would say the special teams need to become special again. I believe this team is smart enough to react accordingly to this loss. There are just too many experienced veterans and talented players too just play submissively on a regular basis. I expect a sound degree of accountability for this game and believe that The Broncos will use this loss as fuel for the coming game.

If we cannot find a way, we will make a new one. -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM MST reply actions  

Enough of this Nonsense

and let’s continue to be the team we really are. The Broncos are a team that can win 11-12 games this season and this was a setback but we’ll bounce back. McDaniels will look at the film and everybody will continue to play at a high level. We’re not losers, so we’re bouncing back.

Brad James

by the Bradfather on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Enough is Enough…On to getting ready to do some damage to the Steelers!

by BroncoSense72 on Nov 2, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ll tell you what, I definitely wouldn’t want to be a member of the Broncos this week….but I DAMN sure wouldn’t want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler next Monday night!

by JarredBroncos88 on Nov 2, 2009 1:14 PM MST reply actions  

haha, the italics went wild, I only wanted to italicize the word “definitely” :)

by JarredBroncos88 on Nov 2, 2009 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

still, the emphasis as written works for me! ; )

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by broncosmontana on Nov 2, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

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