"We own you"

by BroncoFan112 on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 PM MST

This is a quote from our headcoach towards Chargers linebackers before the game yesterday. I won't rehash my previous post about the arrogance of McDaniels, but it does prove my point regarding to the thought that HE could actually win with Sims even though Orton at 80% is 1000% better the the previous stated qb. All I want for Christmas if for our new young headcoach to be knocked off his pedestal and to start game planing and preparing with the MASSIVE chip on his shoulder that he obviously had in the beginning of the year and sense has lost. "WE" don't own anybody. Happy early Thanksgiving to all. Here's hoping for the "tough,physical,smart football" we all have heard so much about yet haven't seen in 4 games. Your thoughts?

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by jubei on Nov 23, 2009 12:50 PM MST reply actions

I read it in the Post this morning.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions

He was joking!

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM MST reply actions

I'm not going to read too much into this

First of all, we are only going to really get one side of the story because McDaniels isn’t even going to talk about what really happened here. But I believe our coach before I would every believe SD cocky linebacking corps.

Funny how confident the Chargers are. Here’s the truth. As many issues as the Broncos need to fix, the Chargers have some issues to fix too. The truth is neither team is great right now because neither team can stop the run.

Earlier this season I didn’t think we would need to draft Terrance Cody for Vince Wolfork, I am now convinced we must do one or the other.

And Go Broncos, I love you no matter what.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 23, 2009 1:50 PM MST reply actions

Another Fouts made me want to hurl moment

Yesterday was when he said the Coryell should be in the HoF. Because of all of those SBs that you won, Dan? Yes, SD is the absolute cockiest team that I can ever recall that has never won a damn thing. And it only adds to the hate factor.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 23, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions

I'm fine with Coryell in the Hall

Coryell and Walsh are the architects of the two dominant passing systems that are used in the NFL today. That’s Hall-worthy to me

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Nov 23, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions

Quit sleeping with the enemy here, Emmett! But Walsh had much more success, no?

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions

i watched Air Coryell

It was fun to see and tough to stop

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Nov 23, 2009 5:49 PM MST up reply actions

Though ...

As my boy said above: it didn’t win the chargers anythang! If that’s the standard then anything that touched the 80s Broncos Super Bowl teams should be in the Hall! And even with Orange and Blue lenses I can’t even believe that!

~me

by vincerelli on Nov 23, 2009 11:13 PM MST up reply actions

Fair enough, vince

But keep in mind that applications of his passing approach has won over 10 SBs. That has to count for quite a bit. Remember – the issue on getting into the Hall is, ‘Would the game be different without this player/coach/owner? Did they influence the game?’. In Coryell’s case, he’s influenced the game for generations. We tend to be obsessed with Super Bowls, but that’s not actually the mark of someone making the Hall.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Nov 24, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions

Sort of depends

I don’t favor Coryell because of his teams’ records. I’m in favor of him making the Hall because he created the dominant system for much of the NFL’s passing game – the vertical aspects, such as Baltimore has moved to. As far as HC functions go, yes, Walsh was a much better HC in terms of record.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Nov 23, 2009 5:51 PM MST up reply actions

hmmm...

i would like to see wilfork and/or ndamkong suh in orange and blue next year. that could be fun… a lot of fun.

dkn if i like cody, though… he’s big, but when i saw game tape of him, he doesn’t do very much right fundamentally and isn’t as big a factor on the field as people make him out to be.

by bailey disciple on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions

Cody

True about him needing to learn better fundamentals but he is a phenomenal raw talent in my opinion. If giving the tools, he could dominate the middle of the field, and he has made some terrific plays on special teams blocking field goals. He reminds of Shaun Rogers which is good if he can have a better work ethic/attitude because he will need to work on his game some.

I think Ndamakong Suh will be gone in the top 5. I wouldn’t mind Wilfork.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 23, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions

We'll never sniff Suh.

He’ll change a franchise. He’ll win a defensive player of the year, be a perennial pro-bowler, and possibly even win an MVP award. He’s absolutely freakish, and I’d trade everything to move up for him.

by legendarywalton on Nov 23, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions

Suh is going to be one of two things:

One of the most dominant defensive players in history

Biggest bust ever.

I’m leaning towards dominance. His skill on the field is awesome.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

Formerly known as Calijoefornia

by Joe Medina on Nov 23, 2009 7:44 PM MST up reply actions

I agree 100% RMT

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Nov 23, 2009 5:50 PM MST up reply actions

As I see it

No team that has a ‘roided up linebacker that does a stupid dance every time he makes a tackle should ever talk about someone being cocky. Just sayin’.

"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson

by wtnelson on Nov 23, 2009 2:17 PM MST reply actions

You must have read only half the story.

Before he said that, some of SD’s players were jawing at him first.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

Formerly known as Calijoefornia

by Joe Medina on Nov 23, 2009 7:43 PM MST reply actions

Jawing or no,

our coach had the mindset to speak his mind….which was way off base. It gave insight to what he really though about that charger team….which again was WRONG. He overlooked em’, thinking he could rest Orton and win with Sims…..really? c’mon. Still a hard core bronco fan am I, but I’m down on our coach right now, he needs to get his act together and come back down to earth, which is where the rest of his team is.

by BroncoFan112 on Nov 23, 2009 9:07 PM MST reply actions

How is that different

from anyone else who talks smack?
All I see is an angle for a story that the media can exploit to the hilt.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 PM MST up reply actions

And, for "fans" that were McD haters from the start can use as fuel for their vitriol...

by BroncoSense72 on Nov 24, 2009 6:21 AM MST up reply actions

It's not different

But I don’t think that a coach should be talking smack. It gives the other team too much incentive, and it gives a bad impression in general. It’s one of those things about leadership that other people can do it, but he can’t. To be clear I wouldn’t want anyone on the team doing it. Fans can talk smack but the team should do their talking on the field.

by Fan in Exile on Nov 24, 2009 8:38 AM MST up reply actions

I've been away for a while, but....

I think this story is more than just a media creation. I think it’s an unusual and interesting situation, brought on by McD’s age and coaching style.

Regardless of how much media coverage it got, McD’s trash talking ignited locker room talk around the league, for the simple reason that coaches are not players. (Save for a few, like Ditka, who’s rep during his playing days earns respect from today’s players).

Trash talking is all about status and credibility. It’s an earned right — those who talk without the play to back it up are not respected and targeted on the field.

So what to do about a coach who never played professionally is a new, unresolved conflict. Coaches normally don’t go there. McD has trespassed over a cultural boundary. Jeff Fischer’s quotes in the Stapleton article (http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/josh.mcdaniels.denver.2.1335996.html) demonstrates the type of respect that coaches normally hold for those boundaries.

Now that McD crossed the boundary, the normal way of getting back at out-of-line trash talking (on-field aggression) is not available for players. So not surprisingly, the players want the right to openly fight McD. Of course, that’s ridiculous, but quotes like that just go to show players’ mentality.

Which really leads to the most interesting part of the whole issue: How players across the league will respond to McD over time. Fischer’s last quote in that article is one potential way: “Good luck in free agency,” if the grudge is held. But David Bruton, Vonnie Holliday, and Payton Hillis express a competing interpretation: that players would actually prefer to play for a firey coach like McD.

So what happens from here on out will be interesting. Maybe the issue will just fade with time and McD will earn his respect.

by ZooTown on Nov 27, 2009 11:38 AM MST reply actions