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The MHR Denver Broncos Hall of Fame Committee: The Fight for Floyd

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Earlier this year the 2009 Pro Football Hall of Fame class was announced, and once again there were no Broncos inducted.  There was anger and outrage, it was called a travesty, then it was called a travesty again.  It was out of those posts a committee was born.  No more weeping and gnashing of teeth, we're taking action.  With John (Guru) advising and great help from Tim (Zappa), a committee consisting of Jezru, studbucket, and firstfan was formed with the purpose gathering data and opinions to create an organized campaign to get more Broncos in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.  To see the first post in this series, go here.  The second post can be found here.

As you may know, on August 25, 2009, Floyd Little was announced as one of the 2 Seniors Committee candidates for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.  That was 3 months ago, but we all need a moment to celebrate, right?  So take a step back from the computer, pump your fist and scream to the heavens.  Floyd deserves it, and even getting this far is an accomplishment, but there's much more that needs to be done for this mission to be complete. A lot has happened since our last update in August, and we have all of the information for you after the jump!

On a related note: The Committee will begin meeting this Saturday at 9AM est, with the announcement to be broadcast on NFL Network at 5:00PM est.  Have your browser locked to MileHighReport all day for up to the second coverage.  Be sure to follow MHR on Twitter as well - @MileHighReport

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How We Got Here

The first two posts we made as the HoF committee are linked above, but there has been a lot going on in the fanposts, in our committee, and by the HoF voters in the last 3 months.  In the weeks leading up to the 25th, we were aggressively engaging the members of the Seniors Committee through emails and Twitter.  Thanks to you guys and your help, we bombarded the voters with emails, as can be seen here, here, here, and here.  We'll never know if it can be completely attributed to our efforts, but when Floyd was announced, we had a pretty good feeling that we all made a difference in getting Floyd nominated.

What We Learned

There was a lot to be learned from this whole process, but there were two lessons we took away from all of the news items and feedback we received.

Lesson 1: It's a long road when you aren't a media darling

Immediately after the Seniors Committee nominees were announced, tweets and articles shot up all over the Internet and if you didn't look closely, you'd never know Floyd Little was a nominee.  A Google News search on the 25th revealed 2 articles on Floyd's nomination, while the articles for Dick LeBeau's nomination filled more than 1 page of results.  Peter King (one of the HoF voters) had to do a bit of research on Floyd to learn more about him, but had been pushing for LeBeau for a little while, as you can see below.

Peter King on Floyd Little:

Denver running back Floyd Little, on the surface, falls short. He had but one 1,000-yard rushing season, ran for just 43 touchdowns, averaged 3.9 yards-per-carry in his career and rushed for 54.0 yards per game. But he had the misfortune of playing for a team that had a winning record only twice in his career. He won the rushing title in 1972 and had more rushing yards (5,185) than any other back in football from 1968 to '73. He played behind Steve Tensi, Marlin Briscoe, Steve Ramsey and Charlie Johnson.

We talk in the Hall of Fame selection room every year about not discriminating against guys on historically bad teams, which this Denver team was. I guess when I think of jobbed guys on historically bad teams, I think of Tommy Nobis, Claude Humphrey and Cortez Kennedy. I'll need to be convinced a little more on Little.

And some more on Floyd here.

Peter King on Dick LeBeau (link 1) (link 2):

The man's not going to be hotter than he is now, and it's time. I am projecting him to come out of the Seniors Committee vote this year. Maybe that's as much hope as anything else, because I believe strongly in LeBeau's candidacy. And it's also time that assistant coaches begin to get recognized for their massive influence on the modern game.

I don't know if I can do much, but as one of the 44 selectors, I'll try everything I can to get LeBeau into the Hall this year, or very soon.

Rod Woodson even stumped for LeBeau in his HoF induction speech; Peter's right, LeBeau's not going to get any hotter.  What about Floyd, could he get any colder?  His car dealership in Seattle closed and nearly nobody was mentioning him, not even NFLN's own Rich Eisen on Twitter, as he congratulated LeBeau, but did not mention Little until Re-Tweeting studbucket's message about Floyd.

(Note: We feel LeBeau is very qualified for the HoF as a player and deserves to get in, our comments are strictly to highlight the disparity in coverage).

So what does all of this mean?  Well, the Pro Football HoF voters are members of the media, and thus, by nature of their job, are publicity driven.  Whoever is the most popular or gets the most reaction from readers is going to get the most press.  With the Steelers coming off a Super Bowl win and the 50-year anniversary of the Lions last championship happening around the same time, it was like LeBeau had his own little media festival.  Floyd on the other hand received very little support from the national media or the HoF voters (publicly).  Many comments were about his 3.9 ypc or only one 1000-yard season, trying to find reasons to exclude him.  Nobody seemed to note his receiving or return abilities or what he meant to the Denver franchise, everyone seemed to be focusing on the negative.

The work to get Floyd recognition and into the HoF has been and will continue to be an uphill battle.  The stones of groupthink and ignorance will keep rolling down the mountain while the status quo, gravity, is pulling against us with every step.  We can do it, but we just need to ensure that Floyd's strengths and qualities are highlighted for the voters to see.

Lesson 2: Being overzealous could hurt Floyd's chances

Dave Goldberg is one of several HoF voters on Twitter (@deegle84), but about the only one that's also on the Seniors Committee.  Throughout the entire process he has been very forthright and informative about his thoughts and the process, exchanging tweets with studbucket and writing a very nice article on the voting process.  The article is a must-read, but we are going to focus on the Twitter conversation with studbucket (@jtkimbell), because that's where Dave gave us some fantastic information.

From studbucket: @deegle84 Thank you so much! On behalf of Broncos fans everywhere, I thank you! I am so happy for Floyd!

From Goldberg: @jtkimbell Please!!! We voted for Little on merit _ Broncos stunk when he played there. Too much pressure could hurt him later.

From studbucket: @deegle84 Definitely a concern. It was hard to contain excitement this AM. Wasn't sure if he would be chosen. Thanks again! :)

From Goldberg: @jtkimbell Tell ur friends. A lot of us, including me, respond negatively to organized campaigns. He's 70 % chance. Don't ruin it.

From studbucket: @deegle84 Consider it done. Thanks for the advice. Our enthusiasm and biases often get the best of us.

We were so excited about Floyd's nomination that perhaps some of us got a little worked up and told everyone that we knew.  Our excitement was good, but we can't overdo it and overwhelm the voters as it may very well work against us, and the voters know it may be coming.  Here's what Howard Balzer had to say after Floyd's nomination:

@HBalzer721: Denver fans are going to be out of their minds now with Floyd Little a seniors nominee and Shannon Sharpe being considered again.

The voters know we are excited about our Broncos, and I think they are a bit worried that they'll be overwhelmed by Denver fans.  In Floyd's best interest, we should heed Dave Goldberg's advice and not overwhelm the voters with a large campaign.  So what can we do?  Read on to find out.

What We're Doing Next

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Given the advice we received and the current perception of Floyd Little, there was a plan of action that immediately stuck out to us, the committee.  We would like to have only those who watched Floyd play write letters.  This would include individuals like the committee's own firstfan.  Because they saw Floyd play and lived through his tenure with the Broncos, they can write from the heart to the voters, explaining what he meant to the team and to them as fans, not just recite statistics & anecdotes.

So over the next few days we'll be collecting the names and emails of those who saw Floyd play and are willing to write letters/emails on his behalf.  We hope that these letters, written from the heart, by those who saw him, on their own schedule, will truly show the voters how great Floyd was.  The committee's only efforts will be directing these people to various writers to ensure good coverage of the voter base and to give the writers any resources they may need.

With a handful of great letters reaching each voter, there will be no appearance of a grand spam campaign, as all the letters will be different: the quantity is low but the quality is high.

A Note on Shannon Sharpe

Some of you may remember we actually have been supporting two candidates: Floyd Little & Shannon Sharpe.  So what's up with Shannon?  Well, we weren't sure that our efforts to get Floyd nominated and inducted would succeed this year.  When Floyd was nominated we realized this may be his last chance to get into the HoF, and while Shannon's exclusion so far has been extremely frustrating, he is going to get into the HoF, it's just a matter of time.  So while we will support anyone who wants to help Shannon get in by emailing and/or educating voters, this committee will focus all of our efforts on Floyd Little until the inductees are announced in January.

What You Can Do

Want to help?  While not everyone can help in the same way due to the nature of our compaigning, there is something everyone can do.  Go through the list below and see how you'd be able to help out.

  1. Are you old enough to remember watching Floyd play?  If so, you are awesome and we really want your help.  Please mention this in the comments, email studbucket at jtkimbell [at] gmail [dot] com, or do both (as long as we get a way to contact you).  We would like longtime Broncos fans to write heartfelt letters to the voters, and we'd like to direct this effort to ensure equal distribution of mail across the voters and so we can be in touch with you to see how they responded to you.
  2. Do you have any contacts in the "main stream media"?  This could be columnists or TV/Radio personalities.  Perhaps you can get them to discuss Floyd Little to help raise awareness.  Perhaps they can interview Floyd or our own John Bena.  Anything to inform the public and help sway opinion on Floyd would be fantastic.
  3. Do you have a personal blog or website?  It's your very own platform, and whether your only reader is your mom or if you get 2000 visitors a week, you can educate others about Floyd Little.  Garrett from BroncoMadness wrote a nice article explaining the Floyd Little efforts by this committing and conducting a short interview with studbucket.  John or anyone on the committee would be happy to answer your questions.
  4. Do you hang out or post on any other online football communities?  Perhaps it's a general football forum, maybe it's a Chargers forum (yep, studbucket ventures there), perhaps it's just Twitter or Facebook.  Anywhere that you have a voice in a community, you can make a post educating people on Floyd and how important he is and was to this franchise.
  5. Do you & and your friends know much about Floyd Little?  Heck, even if you do, it never hurts to learn more.  The mothership posted a fantastic blog article back when Floyd was nominated, and we learn from it every time we re-read it.  This one article could be the one and only resource you need to become a Floyd Little guru (though I recommend checking out other sources as well).  44 Reasons to Elect #44.  However, here are a few other things you could do:
    1. Check out Little In the Hall of Fame and sign the petition.
    2. Learn more about his stats on Pro-Football-Reference.

Thanks again MHR and Broncos Country!  By uniting on this effort we've made great progress and have given Floyd a fighting chance.  The Denver Bronco Hall of Fame Committee really appreciates all the support we've received so far.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Very well stated JT.

This could very well be Floyd’s only chance. Let’s do it right guys.

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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Nov 27, 2009 10:52 PM MST reply actions  

Good job guys!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 27, 2009 11:02 PM MST reply actions  

Great job guys and you deserve a big hand clap...

I hope Shannon makes it because he deserves it being the BEST tight end of his day. Only to be surpassed by Gonzalez.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 27, 2009 11:06 PM MST reply actions  

Both

If Floyd and Shannon could make it in….wow, what a day! We’d have an MHR meetup at training camp, then we could all caravan to Canton for the ceremony a few days later :)

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Good strategy for Little.

The MSM are by nature into the flavor of the week, but some on the HOF comittee are like many with power, they crave the attention it brings them more than the good they can do with the responsibility they’ve been given.

Its a delicate dance, coddling those with influence without putting them off.

I have a feeling that through tha patient effort of the fans Floyd willhave his day. Broncos fans are as devoted as they are because they have to be. When your team gets as much automatic attention as say – Dallas – its more tempting to be fair weather.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Nov 28, 2009 12:14 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Count me in

I saw Floyd play back in the day. I also went to school with him and played softball with him. He is why I have been an avid Denver Broncos fan for 37 years (since 1972). Just tell me where to send some stuff. Also, you may want to enlist the help of prominent former Syracuse players, like Donovan McNabb, to weigh in.

Lets make it happen.

by opinion8r on Nov 28, 2009 7:14 AM MST reply actions  

Awesome!

Can you send me an email at jtkimbell [at] gmail [dot] com or post your email so I can get in contact with you? Thanks!

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Also

Good call with former ‘Cuse guys….let’s see what we can do. Anyone have any connections we can leverage?

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Good idea
Also, you may want to enlist the help of prominent former Syracuse players, like Donovan McNabb, to weigh in.

I wonder if Jim Brown and Larry Csonka would help.

We will now discuss in a little more detail the Struggle for Existence.
Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)

by bradley on Nov 28, 2009 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

Its a nobel cause...

…but its hopeless. When Terrel Davis— who would have been a first ballot entry out of Chicago, Dallas, the NY’s, NE, etc— doesn’t have a snowball’s chance, I think the discovery of living Dinosaurs in Newark is more probable.

As I pointed out to Peter King, its the Hall of Good Players Lucky Enough to Play in the Right Place. That earned me being the guy he mocked in his letter bag edition, as he pointed out that the election of Gary Zimmerman, who made two all decade teams and pretty much made himself impossible to ignore, the poster child for the Hall’s inclusiveness. You can’t reason with guys like that.

Sharpe isn’t even going to make it, and that’s a far bigger travesty than Little, IMO. It speaks to the real tragedy of letting the laziest and most smug cabal on earth make decisions over the life’s work of other men.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 28, 2009 9:17 AM MST reply actions  

Obviously, I disagree a bit

Given that Floyd was actually nominated, I don’t think it’s hopeless. I’ll give you that I did not expect him to get nominated this year, it was an absolute shock to me, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he was nominated.

I think I emailed/IM’d or told anyone who would remotely care the morning Floyd’s nomination was announced, it showed that we could perhaps make a small difference.

By keeping the Broncos in the minds of the HoF voters, it can only help out, so they don’t forget about the team, fans, or players.

And we had 5+ HoF voters email us and absolutely assure us Sharpe is going to make the hall, they have no doubt. They said it may not be this year, but he will make it. I hope it’s this year, as that would be fantastic and he deserves it, but we’ll see.

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Well done, guys!!

Yeah, we have to be careful not to oversell the pundits. Those guys respond much better when they can have room to argue that selecting a player was their own idea. ; )

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Nov 28, 2009 11:40 AM MST reply actions  

Yep

Stroking egos was one of the main things we kept in mind when sending emails, trying to be respectful and acknowledge their experience and intelligence.

We think it’s worked out OK so far :)

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

10th rec

And you should get a lot more. This is a very important campaign and Broncos fans should show how classy they are while still supporting ‘our guy’. Great work to all on this committee – thanks to all of you!

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Nov 28, 2009 12:57 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

The problem is

the people in control did not watch F. Little play. They’re mesmerized by the Patriots and Steelers of this past decade.

I think he’s decades overdue to be inducted into the HOF. Since the team’s inception, Floyd Little put the Broncos on the map. With all the east coast bias out there, I hate to say it, but I don’t expect much. Maybe someday.

Shannon Sharpe has a slightly better chance to get in. Having what, 3 rings ought to help his case.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on Nov 28, 2009 1:21 PM MST reply actions  

IMO, this is our ONLY chance

Floyd was nominated by the Seniors Committee…guys just don’t get a 2nd go-around from the Seniors Committee if they get shot down the first time because the backlog is so big.

So, unfortunately there is no “someday” for Floyd. Given that he was nominated, it’s now or never. Sharpe obviously played more recently, has 3 rings, and has a high profile.

We need to greatly stress what Floyd did for the Franchise, how he was a great player, and use those who saw him play to give anecdotes. We’re just gonna work hard and hope for the best. Getting 80% of voters will be tough, when some people have pretty much made up their minds.

Shannon will make it in and has a better chance, but he has 13 more chances….Floyd has none after this.

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Best of luck

I really do hope it happens. In my book, he should’ve been the first Bronco to make it.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on Nov 28, 2009 2:17 PM MST reply actions  

you may notbe able to approach teh voters as a committee

but by emailing prominent voters who aren’t voters, it may be possible to get Floyd into the spotlight in general. I really wish I had seen him play, as i would love to write an article about him, but as of right now, I couldn’t put anything better together than what DB.com already did with their wonderful summation of Floyd’s career.

This is basically a marketing campaign, and those with more marketing savvy than I will hopefully weigh in and help you guys with additional strategy moves. I think the voters tend to be more sympathetic to the feelings of their colleagues, almost regarding Ted’s echo chamber as their own firsthand thought sometimes. That might be a tool we could use…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 28, 2009 2:17 PM MST reply actions  

first sentence should be

“…prominent writers who aren’t voters…”.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 28, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be nice

Does the MHR brass have anyone they know who could write some articles?

Outside of the HoF voters, I’ve never contacted any writers and generally don’t read many newspapers, just NFP, PFT, MHR, etc.

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I will try to help, but I think Floyd has an incredible uphill battle since the other

contender is Dick Labeau, who has influnced defense termendously and has been active in the game for so long, I think that the name recognition will be tough for Floyd to break through, since outside of some old time guys, nobody remembers Floyd, and Labeau is mentioned on every Steeler broadcast.

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by Broncoman on Nov 28, 2009 3:20 PM MST reply actions  

Question

Does

I will try to help
imply that you saw Floyd play and can write letters, or you’ll just help how you can?

Just curious :)

Thanks for the feedback, it’ll be tough to outdo LeBeau, but at least Floyd isn’t directly competing with him, only with the voter’s perceptions.

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I think they can both get in

If I remember correctly the discussion of some months ago.

We will now discuss in a little more detail the Struggle for Existence.
Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)

by bradley on Nov 28, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep

They are not competing with each other, they just need 80% of the HoF voters to approve of them getting in. Technically Floyd’s chances are independent of LeBeau’s…let’s hope it’s true and not too swayed or biased.

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I can help

My experience starts in 1968 with Floyd Little when I was a kid playing sandlot football.

First Fan and I are friends. I sent him the highlight films of the Broncos from 67-72. They are on DVD’s. I suggested that we edit the plays by #44 and put them into one dvd to send all the HOF Committee members. What do the guys here on MHR think of that? Will it help?

About playing against Joe Namath "He's the best in the Business, he can do everything, but I've never seen a Quarterback yet that can throw on his back." - Dave Costa 1969

by Denver Diehard on Nov 28, 2009 4:29 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

Fantastic

1) Can you send me an email or have firstfan give it to me so I can contact you about helping?

2) I’ve seen the video idea brought up before, and it’s a fantastic one. Getting Floyd’s play onto a DVD for the voters would be fantastic, and I’d be happy to help with finding addresses and mailing the voters, firstfan could probably work with you to get all that done. I think that would be a very impressive step.

by studbucket on Nov 28, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

could I get a copy of the DVD?

I have special software and I would like to use it to scout the plays. I can then prepare a report for the actual play content…

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

"That's MR.Styg..."

by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 29, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Willie Lanier

I bet he’d give Little some help. Lanier played MLB for the Chiefs from 67 to 77 so he played against Little twice a year. Lanier was inducted into the HOF in 86. I know he had a lot of respect for Little.

We will now discuss in a little more detail the Struggle for Existence.
Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)

by bradley on Nov 29, 2009 8:01 AM MST reply actions  

Saw this in Peter Kings MMQB today
9. I think it’s getting to be the time of year when we 44 voters on the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection committee get bombarded with the pleadings of fans and teams about their candidates for the Hall. This is how silly it gets: I answered a Tweet Friday from a follower who asked why Floyd Little isn’t in the Hall of Fame. I replied: "1 1,000-yard season, career 3.9 yards per carry, 54-yard average rush yds per game.‘’ I didn’t say I didn’t support him, or he wouldn’t he get in this year as one of two Seniors Committee nominees. I was asked a question about why he wasn’t in and answered why, in my opinion, he has never been voted into the Hall.

I’m going to guess that the next three or four hours brought 50 responses, most of them outraged that I would dare to question Little’s qualifications, many of them offering reasons why he should certainly be in the Hall. Thanks for your input, folks. I have a Floyd Little file at home. Most of those reasons are it. Haranguing doesn’t help. Calling me names doesn’t help. Reasoned arguments are good; I’ll take those. I’m not saying some people don’t respond positively to being called a know-nothing dillweed. I’m not going to shout back at you, but rest assured your point doesn’t get better the louder and angrier you get. Thank you.

Not too good…

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by BroncosNL on Nov 30, 2009 7:39 AM MST reply actions  

Ouch.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Nov 30, 2009 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Arg

I was one of the people who responded to his tweet, and I obviously did not call him a name. 2 notes however:

1) His exact tweet was:

RT @blumpkinfarts: @SI_PeterKing Why isn’t Floyd Little in the HOF? … One 1,000-yard season, 3.9-yd ave carry, 54 rush yds/game.
Given his previous stance on Floyd, I assumed that meant he didn’t want Floyd in the Hall.

2) My response, please let me know if this was too snarky or anything…it’s hard to say much in 140 characters.

Do receiving & return yards not matter? He averaged 100+ all purpose yards per game. Also saved franchise.

Hopefully I didn’t do any damage…I imagine those calling names were worse than me…and I hope they don’t do anything too stupid.

by studbucket on Nov 30, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll dig through my old memories...

and see what I can come up with. Door’s kinda rusty though, lol.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Nov 30, 2009 10:01 AM MST reply actions  

Awesome!

Can you send me an email at jtkimbell [at] gmail [dot] com ? Or the email on my profile page, either one works. Thanks!

by studbucket on Nov 30, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

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