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Tim Tebow Running the Wild Horses?



Okay, so maybe I'm beating this whole draft thing into the ground, but quite frankly I don't care.  Read at your own risk, I suppose.

Sooner or later, I am going to convince you all that we should bring in a quarterback, but this time it's not to replace Kyle Orton.  I think this may be my most compelling argument yet.  I hope you enjoy!

Alright Broncos fans, here's the deal.  Obviously many are under the impression that Josh McDaniels' squad does not need a quarterback in the up-coming draft because of the emergence of Kyle Orton, and some with good reason.

Orton has completed over 62 percent of his passes for 2,447 yards, 12 touchdowns, and only six interceptions.  He has a decent rating of 87.9 and has been very effective in the Broncos' offense as a leader.  He has shown great toughness, playing through a devastating ankle injury and leading the Broncos to a gutsy Thanksgiving night victory over the New York Giants.

Personally, I still feel there is a persistent need for a true playmaker at quarterback.  To me, it feels like Chester Taylor is playing when Adrian Peterson is somewhere out there.  Is Taylor a good backup?  Yes.  Is he capable of starting whenever called upon?  Yes.  Is he smart?  Yes.  Is he tough?  Yes.  Is he Adrian Peterson?

No.

Obviously it's a little different with the quarterback position, and I know the Broncos are doing more than just getting by with Orton as they are on top of the AFC wildcard race and just as recently as last week they held sole possession of first place for the first two months of the season.

If the Broncos decide to pursue Kyle Orton in the offseason as a free agent, there will be no major change at quarterback without an injury.  He will be the starter, and likely for the foreseeable future.

This year, the Broncos added a new formation to their offense called "Wild Horses", which is essentially the team's version of the "Wildcat".  Currently, the player taking the snaps out of this formation is Knowshon Moreno, and while the rookie tailback is one of the team's most versatile players, he is not fit to run the "Wild Horses".

That is one of many reasons I believe the Broncos will give Tim Tebow a serious look in the NFL Draft.  Many people are giving Tebow a hard time when it comes to his NFL prospects, mainly because of his accuracy issues and release point.

Let me go on record as saying that I believe Tebow will be an extremely effective player in the NFL.  There are a variety of reasons I believe he is a good fit for the league, and the Denver Broncos in particular.

It is not because he already looks good in orange and blue.

1.  Versatility

If there is one thing I took from Josh McDaniels' first crop of draft picks, it is that every single player's main strength is versatility. 

  • Knowshon Moreno:  Very multi-talented back.  Powerful runner, willing blocker, excellent receiver.
  • Robert Ayers:  Able to play standing up or with his hand in the ground.  Excellent run-stuffer and powerful pass rush capabilitites.
  • Alphonso Smith:  Good cover corner, solid tackler, and an asset in the return game.
  • Darcel McBath:  Willing tackler whose main strength is in coverage.  Ball-hawking safety with speed to play cornerback.  Also a solid special teams player.
  • Richard Quinn:  Blocking tight end specialist with surprisingly reliable hands despite his college numbers.
  • Seth Olsen:  Strong, athletic, and quick.  Played both tackle and guard in college.
  • David Bruton:  Excelleng special teams gunner, and strong leader of a defense.  Great tackling safety.
  • Kenny McKinley:  Good hands at receiver, but maybe more promise as a kick return specialist.  Can be a good slot receiver and is deceptively fast.
  • Tom Brandstater:  Smart quarterback prospect with a strong arm.

Essentially, what my point is is that the Broncos love and clearly value versatility in players, and I have to ask--is there a more versatile player in the entire draft that Tim Tebow?

Some are saying he could be a tight end or h-back prospect.  Some are saying he will be a scrambling quarterback.  Heck, I have even heard that he might be a good fit for the linebacker position.

Tebow, statistically is one of the most dominant players in college football history, and may even be the best college player of all time.  He is a good passer with great escape ability, and he is a powerful runner who has set numerous rushing records from the quarterback position.

This guy has the chance to be a scrambling star at the next level, and is one of the best quarterback prospects on the run. 

 

2.  Leadership

Tebow is famous for his ability to lead a team, and people might remember him best for the shot where he is bleeding all over his face, and he has the look of "I'm going to kill someone" in his eyes. 

This guy commands the huddle without getting under his teammates skin.  He is a fiery competitor and he is willing to do whatever it takes to win a game or to gain an extra yard.

The Broncos clearly value leadership, as nearly every captain from the 2008 squad changed in 2009.  Brian Dawkins, the team's main free agent acquisition, was named a defensive captain along with Champ Bailey and Mario Haggan.

On offense, Kyle Orton, Casey Wiegmann, and Daniel Graham were all named captains.

Wesley Woodyard, a second year player who was undrafted in 2008 was named special teams captain.

Andra Davis was a team captain for the Cleveland Browns for a few years prior to signing with Denver, and D.J. Williams was a defensive captain in 2008.

Kenny Peterson also seems like he could be a strong candidate for a defensive captain.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the Broncos place a high value on leadership, and Tebow brings that to the table.  Here is a scouting report from ESPN.com on Tebow's leadership abilities:

Rare intangibles and work ethic. The ultimate team player. Exceptional mental and physical toughness. Temptations that can accompany NFL money and lifestyle will have zero affect on Tebow.

Rare mental toughness. Very few are blessed with his natural competitiveness, leadership skills and work ethic. Both a vocal leader and leader by example. However, there are some concerns regarding his mental aptitude in the passing game. He comes from a unique spread-formation offense so it can be difficult at times to differentiate instincts from inexperience. The bottom line is that he's nowhere near ready to make the kind of coverage reads necessary to succeed as a passer in the NFL.

 

3.  Intelligence

This one is basically self-explanatory, and unless you have been living under a rock for the last four years, you should know that Tebow is one of the most intelligent players in college football today. 

For two years in a row, he has been named an ESPN Academic All-American and likely will be named to his third straight after the 2009 season.  He is also extremely involved in community events, mainly related to mission works.


Tebow is an extremely mature young individual, and I think the Broncos will be hard pressed to come away from interviews with him without being impressed.  He is an outstanding young man, and it translates onto the football field.

So, if the Broncos are not looking at a quarterback to replace Orton, they most certainly will be looking for a backup as Chris Simms simply is not cutting it.  My question is, why not Tebow?

Versatility, intelligence, and leadership are three things that clearly the Broncos value in draft picks, and Tebow possesses all three at an elite level.

He brings the offense another huge weapon, and quite frankly another dimension with the wildcat formation.

So if not Tim Tebow for a replacement at quarterback, what about another offensive weapon?


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Beat you to it

HERE

Probably something we can agree on, though! Just never in the first round. Second round, maybe. And then, only if we trade down and get multiple picks in the second round.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Nov 28, 2009 8:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Oh no!

Very nice, and I like your takes on it as well. I don’t know if Tebow will slide out of the first round, though it’s rare to find a first round grade on him at this point in time.

I think he would certainly be worthy of a second round pick, and maybe even a steal at that point. It would be nice to pick up both Tebow and Spikes in the same draft!

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 28, 2009 8:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my good Lord

If we could somehow trade into the late first round and pick up Spikes, then get Tebow in the early second round, I would be completely on that bandwagon.

As long as our 3rd round pick/2nd round pick in our natural slot went to interior O-line, that is.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Nov 28, 2009 8:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

How about this:

The Pats seem like the best trade partner given their three second round picks. How about trading down to their 27th pick, going after Spikes, then taking my guy Javier Arenas with the first second round pick. If many of the draft projections I have seen hold up, we could get Tebow with our second second round pick.

Oh my goodness.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 28, 2009 8:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Freaking goodness...

Spikes, Arenas, and Tebow?!

No way that the stars align that perfectly, but good gracious, that would be so frakking awesome.

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Nov 28, 2009 10:28 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You two are getting way too excited about this! Deep breaths, fellas, deep breaths.

I vote no on Tebow. Great kid, great COLLEGE player, but I don’t think he will translate as well into the pro’s. That, and our picks will be used elsewhere, no QB’s high in the draft.

by aLuffabo on Nov 28, 2009 11:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I’ll have to disagree. This is an enticing option to me!

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 28, 2009 8:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it happens

I don’t think we draft a QB, not because of Orton, but because of Brandstater. I wouldn’t mind getting Tebow if he drops to the 3rd round, but no way do I spend a (likely high) first round pick on him.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Nov 28, 2009 8:39 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Typically

We will probably keep three quarterbacks, and Simms is out of the picture. Bringing in a guy like Tebow would be stellar to me, especially if we could get him with a second round pick.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 28, 2009 8:50 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Tebow

I agree Simms is a goner after this season. But with Tom Brandy still on schedule to be developing next year, I see them grabbing a veteran backup, hopefully one who works better in this system than Simms has. A lot of unknowns with a rookie coming in the next time Orton sprains his ankle, we need to try to get someone who can come in with his head on straight. Also, you can’t play your 3rd string QB unless you take up one of your active roster spots. Would Philly be doing better with Vick as emergency inactive QB and another player active? I sure think so.

Indescision is the key to flexibility

by akbroncosfan on Nov 28, 2009 10:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

No first-rounder, but second-rounder is very much a possibility (as long as we have either multiple 2nd-rounders or a high 3rd-rounder via a trade out of our top-15 first-round slot)

"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox

by Sharpe as a Tack on Nov 28, 2009 8:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

A seldom used formation

At the moment, the wild horses has not been used much.

I just don’t see why you’d spend such a high round pick on a player not destined or not envisioned to be an every snap player. Just because we may have multiple 2nds, it doesn’t mean one of them should be treated with less value and can be gambled or treated with less importance than if you only had one.

Not to mention the controversy of bringing in another high round QB pick. I’d prefer to have an off-season without that kind of talk thank you very much!

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams

by orange&blue_aussie on Nov 28, 2009 8:59 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Clearly

I don’t think Orton would care in the least. He is a competitor, and has had to deal with that is whole career. Heck, he even dealt with it with Simms.

As for the formation being seldom used, I think that would change if we brought in Tebow. I think he could take 20 offensive snaps a game out of it. That would be fun to watch, and likely effective with his athleticism.

You say you don’t see why you’d spend such a high round pick on a player not envisioned to be an every snap player, when we have four of them on our roster at the moment in Ayers, Alphonso, McBath, and Richard Quinn.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 28, 2009 9:04 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

On your last point

They may not be every snap players now, but they were drafted assuming they would develop into every snap players, wouldn’t you agree?

I can image Ayers was hoped to develop into a player in a position that was at the time perceived to be up for grabs.
Phonz is the eventual replacement for Champ or Andre
McBath for Dawkins
Quinn for Graham.

But with Tebow, the balance of the offensive system would need to change for Tebow to get more snaps. To become an everyday player, the intention would need to be that he is Orton’s eventual replacement and was drafted to sit and learn.

"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams

by orange&blue_aussie on Nov 28, 2009 9:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

But I could also see McDaniels molding Tebow for two-three years while Orton stays at the helm, then becoming our starter. McDaniels came here with the pedigree of an elite quarterbacks coach. If he can’t mold Tebow, then no one can.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for Tebow.

1. Here is the deal, I bet my left ball that he will not last past the first round. People are bagging on his accuracy but I happen to think he throws a very catchable and accurate ball. His motion can be odd but that is not unlike many other NFL QB’s. His footwork is not consistent but that can be taught. I would rather take someone like Bradford or possibly McCoy but I would be intrigued by Tebow.

2. In my opinion, the spread-option offense will be in the NFL one day in a greater version than the current Wildcat. Maybe Tebow is the man to do it.

3. With regard to your analysis of our 2009 draft class, I would say you have overstated their qualities. I don’t think I would be overstating my case to say that Ayers, Smith, Quinn, and to a lesser extent, Moreno, have all underachieved this year.

by swg777 on Nov 28, 2009 9:30 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm the lone wolf on Ayers

I think he’s played some very good football. This isn’t an everybody-run-to-the-ball defense. They rely heavily on stunts and blitzes to generate a pass rush, and the run defense is designed for the ILB’s and Dawkins to make plays. From coaches all the way down the roster they emphasize how when they struggle, its guys freelancing, and when they’re good, its guys playing their role. Every time I key in on Ayers, he’s either being asked to hold the edge or to contain the pocket. On the few times Thursday when he was set loose, he generated pressure. He has been playing very unselfishly and with a lot of energy. I’ll even go so far as to say that him being scratched against SD was more about rewarding Moss (and giving a rookie a rest) as it was about Ayers’ overall performance.

He was probably my least favorite pick coming out of the draft, yet I’ve been pleasantly surprised all around. I think we got a good player and a very promising pro.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 28, 2009 10:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

agree with point 2

but it’s going to take some team like Miami does with the wildcat to fully commit to it. I don’t know if there’s a team out there going to do that. Of course, even if you’re thinking about it, a guy like Tebow would push that decision over the edge towards trying it.

I’m gonna vote no on Tebow because I think his innate talents would be wasted in this “system” in place here. I would love to draft a center or guard before tebow after trading down into the late first round. I’m sure I’m crazy to say draft OL that early, but I love the prospect of getting the best player draft wide for a position in need at the same time.

on point 3 swg… have they overachieved as rookies or were the over valued preceding their role and requirements this year?

by BroncoInExile on Nov 28, 2009 11:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your first two points

I think our draft class is a little underrated at the moment. A lot of guys are just waiting in the wings right now, and that gets passed off for being not productive, which to me is unfair.

Moreno is the most productive rookie back, by far.

Ayers has been alright, but he doesn’t start yet. This is his first year EVER at LB, keep in mind. Alphonso has the tough task of overtaking either Bailey or Goodman in the starting role, and Ty Law as the nickel back.

Quinn has Scheffler and Graham in front of him, two of the most underrated tight ends in the game today.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I just finished breaking down the NYG game film for the first time

I agree with your overall assessment of the draft class and perhaps can add a little bit, here and there. A. Smith showed a flare for tackling that’s promising – it’s one of the few weaknesses that I’ve seen in Goodman, which makes it even better to see. David Bruton was, well, David Bruton. Ayers had a good game and seems to be developing good awareness in zone coverage. He’s becoming very disciplined but is also getting more comfortable out there – he seems to know exactly where he should be. McBath also made a couple of very nice plays, by the way.

Moreno is developing into a sheer pleasure to watch – his spin move against two Giants was something to see. He made that TD on pure willpower and lower body strength. I didn’t see Quinn and he might not be active – he’s a project, but if Graham can remember to keep his hands inside or refrain from throwing his man to the ground, he’s going to stop getting those bad penalties and Quinn has some time.

So, of our top picks, Moreno, Ayers, Smith, McBath and Bruton contributed nicely in the last game while Quinn (and Olsen) need to develop. That’s very good, at this point in the year.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 29, 2009 1:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, bfree

I didn’t catch him, but it was the first time through. If he’s contributing too, that’s quite a draft class.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 29, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see us trading with New England.

How often does Belicheck move up in drafts? His MO is to move down where there is more value. He usually amasses picks and I don’t think this year will be different. McD (from what I’ve seen) may be the same way unless there is a prospect he really loves as in the Moreno case this year. I don’t think he’ll grab Tebow because he will be gone by then and it seems he favors QB’s that people overlook that have his desired skillset that he can develop.

Also I can’t see us drafting Tebow because he will most likely go in the first round to Jacksonville (since he is local and will sell tickets). I think the price is too high for us to pay. That may put him out of our range.

On a completely separate note, I would be stoked if toby Gerhart lasted until the 2nd or 3rd round and we were able to grab him to complement Moreno. That would be the running tandem for the ages.

by BroncoMath101 on Nov 28, 2009 9:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I could see it

I’ve far from seen it all on draft day, but I’ve seen a lot of crazy things. A lot crazier than trading down with New England. They would be willing to move up to get maybe Dez Bryant, Carlos Dunlap, or Joe Haden. In fact, that’s a very strong possibility.

Jacksonville is a strong possibility for Tebow, and that would probably also be a good fit.

I would also love Gerhart, he is a really hot prospect right now.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I still think you're in a rush to replace the engine when its the spark plugs that are bad.

I’ve seen Orton make every type of throw and NFL QB has to make this year. I’ve seen him side step the rush, roll, move…display all the athleticism that any NFL QB needs. Most importantly, I’ve seen the Denver Broncos respond to him, respect him, and be led by him. IMO, this offense has been hindered only by time in system, some poor interior line pass protection, and maybe the lack of a true deep threat. You might notice that Denver stretches the field vertically when teams are desperate or cocky enough to play Marshall in press coverage, or when the S’s bite on double-moves or jump the under routes. They rarely send Royal deep, probably because press isn’t his strong suit and he lacks the deep speed to consistently beat off man/zone variations (remind me of how many times JC threw deep passes to ER?). This is a take what they give offense, so if Jay Cutler was still here, he’d be expected to make the same throws that seem to frustrate an element of the Broncos faithful.

Long story short— IMO of course— I think people need to start getting used to a nice long career in Denver for Kyle Orton.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 28, 2009 10:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Orton

I think he will be here for the next three years or so, not including this one. I think he knows the offense, and our front office will do whatever it takes to re-sign him. That being said, I’d like to get a kid like Tebow to replace him when he is in his thirties, especially if his play becomes stagnant.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:40 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess at this point...

…I’d rather see the premium picks going to areas of greater need. Age issues at CB, for example, are more looming than QB. A. Davis and Peterson are getting up there. The interior Oline still has some problems. They need to free up Royal for slot duty. Buckhalter has been a great addition, but he has crossed the historical grey-line for RB’s.

That said, when it comes to recognizing and developing QB’s, no finer resume exists than Josh McD. If they draft a Bradford, Tebow, McCoy, whoever, I’ll be cool with it.

I don’t think its a reach, however, to suggest that people remain intent on judging Orton by his post-trade press clippings despite mounting evidence to the contrary. I don’t know what the guy has to do to get some of the faithful off his back.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 29, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Um, you're talking about spending a 2nd round pick on a guy who won't start for 3 years

That isn’t effective draft management. A #2 pick should be in contention to start as a rookie and be a starter by his second year. If the Broncos already had good depth at other positions, spending those years for a QB project could work out. I just believe that they have too much other work to do now.

That said, Tebow is interesting. He doesn’t fit the NFL’s standard physical/position niches, but he’s a football player in the broadest sense of that term – a guy who makes actual plays instead of throwing a football 60 yards through a hoop. But at this state in the Bronco’s roster remake I wouldn’t want them to take him before the 3rd or 4th round. If his versatility perplexes the scouts enough, he may fall that far.

by ClarkFan on Nov 29, 2009 6:13 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm on the replace Orton Bandwagon

but maybe you can talk me out of it.

1) He’s 30th on the yards/attempt list with a pretty high accuracy which means that it’s a lot of shorter throws. 6.2 for his career 7.1 for this year, one is bad the other is okay.

2) He can make all the throws but he needs everything to be right. He needs time and protection and he needs to have his footwork right. He’s more comfortable in the pocket now and that’s helped things out but I want a guy who can throw it even when the rush is right in his face.

3) I want a guy who is accurate on the deep pass. He gets the ball there but it doesn’t seem to be in the right place.

4) I’ve heard people blaming the WR’s and the offense a lot but we aren’t just talking about not having a deep passing game, we’re really talking about not having a medium passing game. If you take a look here you’ll see that even in the 10-19 yard range his accuracy drops to 50.7%. Maybe the Wr’s aren’t the fastest but they are faster than that.

by Fan in Exile on Nov 29, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested in seeing how his drop in midrange accuracey compares to other QB's, I guess.

The thing is— and its been surprising to me— is teams are playing a lot of two high safeties, which has as big an impact on the midrange game as the deep game. Now that KM seems to be on track, I wonder if it will open up a little room in that area— with S’s keying on the run more.

That is interesting, though, and thanks for pointing it out. I’ll have to admit that I’m not much of a stats guy.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 29, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I was told I would have a "nice long career in Denver" too

Then they hired Skippy, and next thing you know my Dad tells me to put my house up for sale. I would say Kylie is the guy as long as Skippy is the guy.

by Cutler's Ghost on Nov 30, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What is the greatest need?

We have one pick so far in each round. You have to use your first pick for an area of greatest need – preferably, your top three picks will be in areas that are specific to your greatest needs. So far, McD has gone with a ‘short board’ when he drafts.

A short board takes the approach that there are only so many players that we really want, that we feel will fit our systems as perfectly as possible. When we talk about versatility in the player, it has to mean that he fits, as well as is possible, our current system and how we are going to execute it. When I look at draft options, that’s where I’m gazing from.

This post takes a very different tack, and it’s not an unreasonable one. The theory, if you wanted to do this, is that you would be moving to a very different offense than we are currently running and that we already have the other pieces that we need or have enough of them to have the flexibility (and interest) in running a different scheme. Otherwise, you’d use your resources differently.

I honestly don’t thing that we are going to do that, but that’s just one opinion and yours is just as good. I think that we’re going to continue our current plan, but again – McD forgot to call me for that intimate planning meeting, so…;-)

Interesting thoughts, as always.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 28, 2009 11:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the comment

I think if our picks stay “as is” right now, we would have some troubles. Not that we wouldn’t get good players. If we stay with say, picks 10, 54, and 86 in the top three rounds, I would love to get:

Rolando McClain
Javier Arenas/Toby Gerhart
Jordan Shipley

I think any combo of those three would please me very much. I love McClain because of his size/speed combo. He would give us, IMO the top young group of LB’s in the game today with Dumervil, Williams, Ayers, and then McClain.

I love Arenas’ return ability, but even more I love his tenacity on the defensive side of the ball. So far this season he has nearly 60 tackles and five sacks from the cornerback position, and he’s only what, 5’8"?

Gerhart is simply a beast. He just will not go down. It seems once again that we have problems punching the ball in in the red zone. Penalties can be part of the problem, but I like Gerhart from 20 and in.

Shipley is my sleeper of the draft. He is an excellent receiver with great return ability. Very versatile, smart receiver.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think McD stays with those picks

I would agree with that part of your original post. Given where the Broncos need talent/depth right now, a #10 pick just won’t be that useful. Trading down to snag one or more #2s and #3s and maybe a couple of high round picks in 2011would probably serve the team’s needs better.

Maybe even pick up a #1 in 2011 to bring that QB possibility into play then if Branstater isn’t looking like a future starter. I don’t think you are wrong, just early.

by ClarkFan on Nov 29, 2009 6:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't the needs actually

Beef up o line: draft to replace Hamilton, Wiegman. Upgrade at Royal’s WR position by cutting Stokely, moving Royal over, drafting a Harvin or DeSean Jackson type. Get a powerback to upgrade Hillis and Jordan.

Need depth/talent/size at defensive end. Probably need another stud ILB.
Still need a nickle/dime back if Jack MF Williams wasn’t good enough.

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Nov 28, 2009 11:29 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Needs

I think we could pick up a reasonably solid center in the fourth. Check out our current starting O-line:

Clady-First round
Hochstein- Acquired for 7th round pick
Wiegmann-Free agent acquisition
Kuper-Fifth round
Harris-Third round

We don’t need to spend that high of a draft pick for quality, especially for a guy that is going to be a backup this next year anyway.

I think Shipley is a guy we should/could target on draft day. I love trading down and picking up an extra second round pick. It gives us so many options.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a problem spending a high draft pick on a guy who would be a backup next year.

At any position, and most especially on the O-line.

I certainly trust McDaniels’ judgment regarding who starts and who sits, and once that premise is established it follows that the best players giving us the best chance to win are out on the field on game day. I’m very much OK with that. Now consider that if we pick a guy who is going to start for us in one or two years at some critical position (i.e., C), we have 1) excellent depth for their rookie year, and 2) the future at the position. Neither are bad situations, especially at a high-impact position like interior O-line (I’m setting the Olsen argument aside for the time being because at this point he is at best an unknown quantity).

I grant you, I’m not for using a top-15 pick on a C/G. Having said that, I don’t think that a high draft pick absolutely must start his rookie year to be considered “worth it”.

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by Sharpe as a Tack on Nov 29, 2009 9:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I predict that Tebow will be gone before we even pick.

He is not our greatest need btw. A big WR and a C.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 28, 2009 11:47 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

I don’t think we need a big WR early, but maybe Shipley in the second or third.

I think a center could be had in the fourth.

by Sayre Bedinger on Nov 29, 2009 12:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That is one of many reasons I believe the Broncos will give Tim Tebow a serious look in the NFL Draft.

As much as I like watching Tebow now I dont think and dont hope that the Broncos will look at him… sure… he’d be a great fit for the wild horses…. but that play does not define our team. We’ve only seen it in 2 or 3 games this year, and the amount of plays we used it can be counted on 1 hand if you disregard the Patriots game. I dont want to spend such a high draft pick on a player that can only contribute to such a small number of plays

Then ofcourse, people say: get the wild horses more involved in the game. Thats an option, but I dont like it. I love me some wild horses on total surprise, but it shouldnt become a regular, because then it wont work anymore.

Sure, maybe Tebow will be a great QB, but until I see him work out and actually do things NFL QBs do then I’d rather pass and draft players on actual positions of need

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by BroncosNL on Nov 29, 2009 12:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Agree with ur points on intelligence and leadership and maturity, you wont find a better player….
And if u could get him for a 3rd rounder i’d immediately pick him up…
I just dont think that the cost of drafting him (high draft pick as well as large contract) compared to the relative need of him on our team makes drafting him worth it…

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by BroncosNL on Nov 29, 2009 2:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep up the good work Sayre

While I am not ready to begin the draft talk. I see these posts as a learning tool for me. I like your scenarios and the tenacity to which you stake your premise. Thanks.

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 29, 2009 8:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Sayre you may be right about a quarterback, but we have seen progress in Orton from the onset.

Even with the injuries he has shown a desire to make good decision with lesser errors. Orton is a pocket passer with limited scrambling ability and depends on a solid OLine to protect him. I just don’t know if McDaniels is the type of person who would go after a 1st rd QB thinking he has the ability to teach a 5th or 6th rd guy the ropes and turn him into an NFL star. I just have that feeling.

A question for everyone. How many quarterbacks are there coming out into the draft next year? You all know we had people clamouring for John Parker Wilson, where is he now? First rd picks Stafford and Sanchez struggling just as I thought and projected them to. I am not a proponent of starting a rookie quarterback in his first year, seems like it back fires more often then it works.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 29, 2009 11:12 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

John Parker Wilson

Plays for the Falcons, but hasn’t taken a snap in the League to date. although, Matt Ryan hurt his toe in today’s game and Chris Redman came in, so he may get some duty this year.
I was one of those clamourers. =)

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 29, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we have something special in Brandstater and should look at othher positions to draft....

I guess time will tell.

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by Mike Clark on Nov 29, 2009 1:49 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.

I don’t think we need to be going out and getting first or second round QBs at this point.

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by kentuckybronco on Nov 29, 2009 1:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They don't know either

That’s how you get to 1-10……

by ClarkFan on Nov 29, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 29, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

grin

Well played, Clark!

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by Emmett Smith on Nov 29, 2009 9:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Tebow will , IMHO, be

a starting NFL QB over a reasonably long career, perhaps even a great one. I think he will be a variation on the Big Ben model, and just needs the right slot in order to develop into something special. Even so, I don’t think the stars align well enough for him to be a Bronco (our offensive system, draft availability, team needs, etc.——- just not a good fit, IMO) Best of luck to him, and I will be a fan of his, but I SERIOUSLY doubt he ends up here, no matter how one massages the predictive model.

by idahobronc on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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