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Injuries and the NFL

Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall (15) makes a catch while being defended by New York Giants cornerback Corey Webster (23) during the third quarter of an NFL football game in Denver, Thursday, Nov. 26, 2009. Denver won 26-6. (AP Photo/Jack Dempsey)

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2 months ago: Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall (15) makes a catch while being defended by New York Giants cornerback Corey Webster (23) during the third quarter of an NFL football game in Denver, Thursday, Nov. 26, 2009. Denver won 26-6. (AP Photo/Jack Dempsey)

Hidden Injuries and Concussions:  The Direction of Healthcare for Players

"A man's own observation, what he finds good of and what he finds hurt of, is the best physic to preserve health." Sir Francis Bacon

It isn't news that football is a rough, hard-hitting sport. Our modern combination of the stratagems of chess and the violence of unarmed territorial warfare has a bare-knuckle history, in which simply being willing to use the forward pass was once considered a sign of weakness; in which playing hurt was and is a mark of excellence rather than a failing and which sometimes pits the health of the players against the financial and strategic considerations of the teams and the league itself. Football is still constantly finding and reinventing itself, just as it has over the past 100 years. One thing that has changed over those scores of years is the perspective of players and fans alike: We are discovering that while we will cheer on anything that brings victory a step closer, fans and the league increasingly also want the best for the health of the players. It's leading to a sea-change in the way that we observe and handle the issues of injury in the NFL.

The owners and players alike are also embroiled in a burgeoning snare on the subject of healthcare practices by the teams. The NFL has been guilty of fighting a rear-guard action against the rights of the players to obtain a fair and unbiased diagnosis when problems don't respond to the normal or entrenched processes of diagnosis and treatment. This has long been a serious concern within the league, but both the owners and the players' sides have generally avoided any actions that could threaten their own situations. While I'd prefer to see an even higher level of leadership on the issues of player healthcare, certain steps are being taken, and I don't minimize that fact. It's a welcome change, and it is getting more central to the situation each day.

Star-divide

In the past year, the AFC has brought forth a couple of prime examples of the difficulties and the contradictions that are created by this problem. Denver fans were treated to this up close as Brandon Marshall, last summer, chose to vent in the media about his issues regarding his hip injury. In San Diego, Antonio Cromartie also dealt with the subject of a hip injury that tainted his last season. The two cases, while similar on the surface, seem somewhat different as we dig deeper.

Marshall's case tells us something that is often hard for fans to understand. In medicine, even if everything is done properly there is no assurance that the league's doctors (or any others) will ever be able to spot and treat every problem, every time. Marshall complained of pain in his hip during the 2008 season, but despite two series of MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging, one of the most advanced diagnostic tests currently available) nothing appeared on the films. Marshall felt betrayed by this turn of events. While Brandon's disquietude about last year's injury is understandable, he was also ignoring something that people may misunderstand: Our current levels of diagnostic testing simply don't show all injuries. The magnetic resonance imaging process is a remarkable and valuable tool most of the time, but there are many kinds of joint injuries that simply don't show up on that scan. He received two such scans, and both came back 'clean', making it impossible for the team doctors to make a further diagnosis at that time. Marshall is expecting all tests to show accurately and fully the problems that he experienced, and that just isn't reasonable. But there is a precedent here that entitles him to wonder and to need reassurance on this subject: The NFL has been complicit in the past regarding poor diagnosis and care of injuries.

As is sometimes the case, Marshall should also reflect on the fact that he has a history of being less than fully concerned with his practicing and playing time. Ironically, this time he was actually injured.  In 2007, Mike Shanahan had to threaten him to get him back to practice during training camp. It seems likely that his previous incident influenced the coaches inappropriately but understandably. Moving forward, it's worth noting that neither side was at fault when he had physical issues last summer, and that's exactly what both sides want.

It was a very different case regarding Cromartie's hip-injury situation. As Michael Silver noted in his June 2, 2009 column, Cromartie suffered a broken hip in the second quarter of SD's Week 2, 2008 game against Carolina, yet he played out the season on that fracture. Cromartie's performance suffered greatly that season, and he's been on record as feeling that the hip injury was at the heart of that drop-off. The team, in degree, countered that it was up to him to make it clear how bad his situation was becoming. While it's fair to say that he needed to step up and be more proactive regarding his health, there are at least four reasons why that wasn't done:

  1. Because the owners and management don't want to hear it. Right now, the team's physicians are paid for by the individual teams. As long as that's true, the diagnosis can always be suspect if it later appears that everything necessary wasn't done. Since every team has to have a medical staff, those same dollars could be provided by an independent medical house operating within, but not as a part of the league. That would go a long way to creating at least an appearance of propriety. There isn't going to be a perfect solution to this one, but we can at least make an effort.
  2. Because the fans don't want to hear it. Spend a little extra time this season paying attention to the waves of accusations on the internet that this player or that one is 'soft'. People are people, and the willingness to believe that others should live up to a standard that none of us would want to is just an aberrant part of human tendencies.
  3. Because the coaches don't want to hear it. Coaches famously believe that letting another team know what your weaknesses are will mean more losses, and in a league where the coaches keep their jobs by winning, anything that smacks of a lost edge is going to be ignored whenever possible.
  4. Because the players themselves don't want to hear it. Players don't get points or paychecks for sitting on the bench or in the whirlpool. They lose their jobs. Just as difficult, the players who feel themselves to macho to admit how much pain they're in will often later argue that their pains should have received greater credence. They also are in a Catch-22 - if they don't say something, later that can come back on them. If they do, they run the risk of incurring the team and/or the coaches discomfort, as well as it influencing their own professional self-image. There is no perfect solution for human nature, but improvement should be possible with a better dialogue among the parties involved here.

Concussions and the Players

The most most important coverage that the players have been receiving of late has centered on the issue of head injuries. Long misunderstood, traumatic brain injuries have been a thorn in the side of healthcare because we have tended to take a particular position regarding them. In medicine, we have often been guilty of trying to apply 'scientific' standards that are contrary to common sense and personal respect. We have often claimed that if our testing doesn't clearly show a particular symptom or disease state, the problem doesn't exist. Because our testing abilities have lagged behind the severity of the problem in the past, we lacked a definitive test for head injuries.  Doctors have too often used this as a crutch to claim that we can't observe the symptoms and believe the patient regarding them. Problems with pain have presented us the opportunity to avoid the problem, rather than a chance to improve our diagnostic abilities. That has led to problems, since we like to claim that the players are 'faking' their problems. It's been a neat way to avoid accepting responsibility to the damage that the game has done to thousands of retired players. Finally, testing and research have improved, and the problem is being approached more directly. We are beginning to see that change.

Dr. Ira Casson has become a lightning rod for anger on the part of the players and the public. He was formerly the co-chair of the concussion committee. Casson has consistently taken the perspective that we can't diagnose mild-to-moderate traumatic brain injuries, that the major concussions are not the problem that many now feel that they present and that the NFL has done everything possible and reasonable under the circumstances. The only problem with his position is that he reached it before sufficient research was done and he has maintained that position despite mounting evidence that he's wrong. He's the problem in miniature, a perfect example of why not enough has been done, but things are happening that show people like him for the paid shills that some of them are. As a result of public opinion and even congressional distaste for their position, the owners are accepting of the fact that the status quo won't stand. On Tuesday, Casson and another doctor, Dr. David Viano, both offered their resignations. Goodell has promised to replace them with individuals whose agendas are based in medicine, rather than politics.

Even with the improvement offered by the replacement of these two men, it's important to note just how it was that they came to be heading this committee. They were brought in to replace Dr. Elliot Pellman, who resigned in 2007 after strong criticism of his work and indications that he had exaggerated several aspects of his medical education and professional status in official biographical sketches and a résumé prepared for Congress. Since the NFL let him go to bring in two more doctors whose professional ethics seem less than optimal, you can understand if the players don't embrace the new hires with open arms..


The Concussion Dilemma

When treating a problem, the first thing that you have to do is to be able to diagnose it. One of the problems in doing so is the crying lack of understanding of the concussion problem on the part of the coaches and players. Consider these quotes from AP, posted on nfl.com:

"You know how a bell vibrates? That's how my brain was going at that time," Cartwright said. "I think five minutes later, I came back to myself. I went back out there and played football."

"You get back up, and things are spinning," Giants backup quarterback David Carr said, "but you don't tell anyone."

Now the NFL wants players to keep tabs on each other and tell their teams if they believe someone else has a head injury.

"Part of the game," Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Deshea Townsend said.

"We're obviously concerned by the data and by the information," NFLPA assistant executive director George Atallah said. "We believe that there's more relevant data and information that the league has on these issues that we'd like for them to share with us in confidence."

During the AP interviews, some players quickly replied that they never had a concussion, then realized they weren't sure, such as Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive tackle Chris Hovan a 10-year veteran, who said: "I probably was just too young and too dumb to realize it."

Not that it's necessarily easy to miss -- or mask -- the symptoms.

"Everyone can clearly see that you have a concussion: You are walking around like you are drunk," Seattle Seahawks' defensive back Roy Lewis said.

Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Bobby Wade told the AP he has never tried to hide a concussion but is sure it happens frequently in the NFL.

"You see guys with their eyes rolling in the back of their heads," he said. "You see guys shaking their head trying to get it together. If there was a doctor evaluating them, I'm sure they would say, 'Your brain has taken trauma.'"

In addition to these quotes, Vonnie Holliday, defensive end for the Denver Broncos stated, "(It's like) being in a car crash 20, 30 times a game. I do often think about the damage I'm doing to my brain and my nervous system. When does it catch up with you?"

What these quotes show concerns me deeply: There is still a great deal of misinformation out there. Contrary to what Roy Lewis and others believe, everyone cannot see that you have a concussion. Quite the contrary - one of the great problems with concussion is that many of them have hidden perils. People who know you may not understand why you've begun to become less focused or more irritable, but the symptoms may be hard to separate out from day to day life. Players believe that if they had a concussion they'd know it, but the reality is that most concussed individuals really can't tell at all. As the number of concussions - and this includes the so-called 'minor' concussions, which can easily become cumulative - the player himself may not have a clear way to tell if he's not improving or is getting worse.

One part of the solution has been identifying cutting-edge clinical environments like the University of Pittsburgh, where first Michael Westbrook and then Clinton Portis went to have their concussions checked and their future play considered. There is no lack of good facilities that can help the NFL with this problem. The problem has been getting the NFL to make use of the independent programs that are already in existence. By adding their expertise to the formula, the players can be assured of getting high-quality, independent healthcare advice. That provides a precedent that should be widely applied.


A Word from The Dude: Gambling, Fantasy Football, and Injury Reports

The NFL is no stranger to gambling. Even its founders had links to legal gambling with the likes of bookmaker Tim Mara (grandfather of Giants owner John Mara) and Art Rooney, who, in part used his winnings from gambling to buy the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124511421029417367.html). The recent NFL, however, has tried to distance itself from the gambling industry, while at the same time benefiting outrageously from the NFL's popularity with gamblers. In any given year, there can be in upwards of $100 million wagered on the Super Bowl alone. And there are hundreds of millions more being wagered during the season.

The somewhat recent popularity of fantasy football has also provided a boon to the NFL. It's estimated that almost 20 million people play fantasy football and it's annual revenues are somewhere in the range of $3 billion (http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201804513). Fantasy football encourages fans to watch more games until the final whistle, and follow more teams and players--all in turn benefit the NFL's lucrative TV deals.

Which brings us to the weekly injury reports each team puts out during the season. Have you ever asked yourself why they exist at all? Sure, on one level, they exists to make sure each team has a "level playing field" as they prepare for each other. But that's hardly the real reason. The real reason injury reports exist is for fantasy football and for gambling, not for player safety.

Before we assume nefarious behavior on the part of the NFL, there's a legitimate reason for this. As Mike Sliver points out in his excellent column from Yahoo Sports from June 2nd, 2009, "...the NFL's [injury] policy isn't a principled stand for truth and transparency. Rather, the league is looking out for the interests of gamblers - not altruistically, but in an effort to keep them at bay. If injuries are reported in a uniform and reasonably accurate manner by all teams, there is a far lesser chance that high-stakes gambling interests might be empowered to purchase inside information from, say, an assistant equipment manager in the know."

In other words, the NFL is the ultimate want-your-cake-and-eat-it-too league. On one hand, they are happy to gorge themselves on the TV deals, advertising revenues, and merchandise sales that are driven by a gambling and fantasy football crazed populace, but at the same time, they don't want to be influenced directly by these powerful concerns. Unfortunately, player safety hasn't been included with the cake. That is slowly starting to change. - TJ


NFL Spine Centers

There are good steps being taken that I want to support and publicize. In one, the NFL has opened a series of what are being called Spine Centers. Spinal impacts also can have extended neurological effects. Given the nature of the sport, that is going to happen in some cases, but such problems have to be expertly diagnosed and extensively monitored. I wanted to take this opportunity to extend my thanks and appreciation to the new NFL Spine Centers. These centers may end up providing a partial template for addressing concerns like the one's listed here.

The NFL Spine Centers are a response to the adage that an ounce of prevention will save a ton of greenbacks, not to mention a life of pain. Early diagnosis and treatment is the cornerstone to an effective approach to minimizing the difficulties of living with long-term spinal damage by the retired NFL players. Each medical center provides an orthopedic spine surgeon who serves as a program director and coordinates the services of a team of healthcare professionals in the evaluation and treatment of the former players. The team includes a neurosurgeon and a physiatrist as well as a wide spectrum of other professionals. While the next step can and should be the formation of similar centers for current players, I want to applaud all sides for putting together and funding this project.

It's a good first step and it may provide a template for a way to improve the situation. Each team currently maintains its own staff of paid doctors who are responsible for decisions regarding the players' health. Since those physicians are paid by the teams, questions of conflict of interest are inevitable. Anytime you see a situation like Marshall's or Cromartie's, you have to question whether or not the doctors involved let their loyalty to their source of income overcome their oath to the profession. Since you cannot fully discern where such a line gets drawn, it becomes necessary to consider the possibility of having a neutral party in on the decisions. In this case, the Spine Centers provide that party. Congratulations, folks. Well done!

Solutions

There has been considerable movement on this group of subjects, those that involve the health and healthcare of the players. Rodger Goodell has been making an attempt to be fair in his handling of this circumstance. A committee of current and former coaches, led by legendary former coach John Madden, a master of malapropisms, speaks by phone with Goodell every three weeks about safety issues and reports to the league's competition committee. Madden's group will make formal recommendations in February.

Tony Dungy has also stepped in -- The league selected the former player and coach to coordinate the Player Advisory Forum. Dungy, who brings an instant air of respectability, will select players to attend meetings in various cities around the league to receive input, comments and criticism about various league matters, including the NFL's player conduct policy and player safety issues. Among those whose knowledge he is drawing on are Broncos safety Brian Dawkins, linebacker Ray Lewis and quarterback Kurt Warner.

USA Today's Jarrett Bell has reported that the NFLPA has formed its first committee on head injuries just in the past few weeks. While long overdue, I applaud the steps that are being taken. Their committee is being headed by Arizona Cardinals special teams ace Sean Morey. The NFLPA has identified head injuries as a priority that they will continue to address during the new CBA negotiations. The recent congressional hearings also have shown a public spotlight on the problem and that makes it less likely that the owners and management group will be able to sweep this under the mat any longer.

The plight of retired NFL players has drawn increased scrutiny as well. Former Chicago Bears head coach Mike Ditka has been instrumental in getting this problem into the public spotlight. Punch-drunk ex-players, many (most) of whom are also suffering rheumatic and degenerative physical conditions are a substantial and growing problem and that has now been accepted as fact by all but the most recalcitrant doctors and authorities. Funding the solutions will be a constant fight, but the simple agreement that a problem exists is a step in the right direction.

All parties will now agree, at least in principle, something needs to be done to address this. The NFL has drawn a lot of well-deserved flack for the fact that they battled against admitting this problem to exist, but they have been exposed recently. House committee hearings served to remind the owners that they have an anti-trust exemption at the whim of Congress and that violations of the public trust can lead to changes in that exemption.


Where Do We Go from Here?

As the Collective Bargaining Agreement lapses, this is a good time for the NFLPA to bring the subjects to the bargaining table. Otherwise, fully funding insurance, health care costs and retirement for players whose bodies have been decimated by the game of football could eventually bankrupt the sport. Look at the situation with General Motors for a down-the-pike, real-world example of the issues that the NFL may end up facing. It is essential to the long-term health of the sport as well as its players that the situation be looked at objectively and that steps must be taken to solve this growing problem.

Making sure that players have access to outside, neutral second opinions is a minor step in this process. Establishing protections for players who admit to the severity of their injuries will at times be difficult, but initial steps in that direction should be considered. The game is tainted when players are forced to play when dangerously injured. Giving them a chance to deal appropriately with their injuries when they occur (rather than after the site of injury has been increasingly damaged by playing through them) would save big dollars down the road. It would also permit those athletes the recognition of a measure of decency and humanity.

Since the dollars are going to be spent on doctors and equipment which have the responsibility for giving unbiased diagnosis and rational treatment to players when the players are injured, it behooves the sport to lock into the next agreement a provision that will establish a system that is independent of the owners purse strings. We know from history that such system are flawed from their inception: healthcare has to be independent of financial rewarding of the doctors by one side or the other if it is to be accurate and fair. Whose pockets this comes from is an important question: the players will benefit the most from such a change and they should look at their own responsibility in funding part of the costs. The owners now cover such costs and they should not be permitted to foot-drag in donating a similar percentage to the solution. Again, the Spine Centers have provided a basis to discuss this further. We also have the growing influence of Sean Morey's group, Dungy's group and John Madden's committee. Ditka and other have brought the problems of retired players into the public eye. There is a growing sense of optimism regarding the direction the circumstances are going it.

Whatever the final solution or solutions may be, it should live up to the following standards: It must be financially independent of either side. It should take advantage of facilities, clinics and programs that already exist and which are considered at or near the top in their fields. There must be a high level of transparency, with the results available to all appropriate parties. Last, all new research must be openly explored and embraced in an attempt to continue to improve the quality of care for the players, past, present and future.

You can see the change beginning. The NY Times had this to say:

"George Atallah, the players union's assistant executive director for external affairs, said in an e-mail message that his organization had been speaking with N.F.L. officials for two weeks about implementing some sort of independent scrutiny for players who receive concussions - perhaps including an outside doctor present at every game. He said that the union's medical director, Dr. Thom Mayer, "has personally approved and reviewed doctors for roughly one-third of the teams," suggesting that the union would cooperate on the program."

In addition, Commissioner Roger Goodell has agreed that bringing in more outside specialists is in everyone's best interest. These are decisions that are going in the right direction for the players and for the sport.

On Monday, November 23, 2009 Thom Mayer announced that 1/2 the NFL teams, plus the players union have agreed upon independent specialists (up from 1/3) to evaluate head injuries. While the other half of the teams need to get on with their obligations, this is a wonderful step in an important direction. Using this same approach to redesigning the medical system in the NFL is an ongoing challenge, but moving in the direction of independent examination and treatment is a huge step.

Whatever decisions are made will influence the lives, health and happiness of generations of NFL players. For their sakes, the sake of their families and for our own moral responsibilities, we have an obligation to get this one right. The enjoyment that we receive from watching this dynamic and remarkable sport should not be diminished by a realization that we are skimping on the quality of care that the players receive.

Finally, we have to see this as an opportunity as well as an imperative. Individual opinions will vary in different situations, but the overall road map to the future should not be drawn, as it often has been, in the blood of the players themselves. Our willingness to demand, as fans, a quality system for caring for the players will influence Congress, balance the preferences of the ownership and management groups and provide an impetus for the improvement of the current system to improve and to emphasize an openness to future changes as well. The field of healthcare is moving rapidly and many changes are being made that will provide a higher level of care for everyone in the future. We must demand that such advances be implemented whenever they are discovered.

Finally, the players themselves must see that they are a great resource for further research into the problems created by trauma and impact. They should make themselves available for such testing as may provide clues to better methods of diagnosis and treatment as time unfolds. This hasn't been employed sufficiently to date, but the demise of the Collective Bargaining agreement will inevitably create an opportunity for improving the lives and care of the players and for the rest of society, which may benefit from what we learn by studying the problems that players experience.

Fans, doctors, owners, management and players all bear a responsibility in this circumstance. Each group needs to step up and to provide the best effort they can, so that the game can be enjoyed for generations yet to come. I salute their efforts.

Many thanks to The Dude for his contributions to this article

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Is the NFL doing enough to protect its players' health?
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It's hard to achieve, but they're trying
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What are the symtoms of a concussion?

Headaches, nausia, blood from the nasal passage, unequal pupils, ringing in ears, lose of memory. I don’t know, but you being a doctor could give us the symtoms. That is my biggest gripe about the nfl handling injuries, the concussions and how fast they let the play come back and compete. Should there be a mandatory set amount of time that a player with a concussion has to sit out? And who would regulate it, the team or the nfl?

by bfree2bronc on Nov 29, 2009 1:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

the main thing that i seem to be reading about is higher risk of dementia...

… which often leads to alzeimers and other mentally debilitating diseases.

by march20 on Nov 29, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You ask a very good question.

Acutely- headaches, neck pain and stiffness, loss of ability to correctly recognize your environment, confusion, dizziness, unfocused vision, and inability to process information are all common. Subacutely – irritability, headaches, dizziness, nausea with exertion, inappropriate anger or depression, low attention span are typical. Long term all the same symptoms with progressive loss of cognitive skills and what are termed “executive functions” – the subtle decision making and judgment necessary for everyday life.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Nov 29, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i like what the steelers did and i think this should be required of every team.

have the team physicians look at him yes, but also have an independent source who is not under their pay roll. ironically, the team physicians cleared him and the independent source did not. they are taking teh advice of the independent source though.

Great post!

by march20 on Nov 29, 2009 1:26 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for a nice review of where we are and where we need to go.

I think I’ve made my position on this subject very clear in several posts about team doctors and the NFL’s lack of accountability on concussions and chronic traumatic encephalopathy. This is a serious matter which must be addressed in the new CBA. I applaud the resignations of Drs. Casson and Viano who while they may have been well meaning were too polarizing and lacking in medical backround to be able to fairly judge the data. Neither had any training in neurological injury and tainted their interpretation of studies by biasing them towards NFL. Team doctors have an inherent bias because they are paid by the team and players also have secondary gain to continue playing with injury. The whole culture of toughness likely leads to poor medical decisions in many circumstances. We as fans may have to accept that changes to our game may need to be made which may fundamentally change how it looks to us to preserve our players health and that of the game itself in the future.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Nov 29, 2009 2:13 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for addressing this issue Em

This is something that needs serious attention ASAP.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 29, 2009 2:32 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

knee jerk?

It has been many decades that we have been watching this sport. Along with boxing, baseball, rugby, soccer. Many sports involve injuries that may be life changing. These are the challenges that player face. Can we as fans tell the players what they may and may not do?? I for one do not think that is in our area of choice. Nor do I think the NFL has a choice. Dangers exist for many of us in our professional lives that we are expected to take and survive without extra efforts taken. Should we really expect these highly paid athletes to be protected above and beyond what we ourselves get?

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Nov 29, 2009 3:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

a multibillion industry?

yeah we should expect that lol

by march20 on Nov 29, 2009 4:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you work as a roofer or drywaller, or in a meat-packing plant, there is no meaningful comparison between your occupational health risks and those of a pro football player. Sure, every occupation has physical health risks — and if OSHA enforcement were better funded, we’d find that people miss lots of work time because of occupational health issues. But the health risks in football are intrinsic to the work, and go a degree beyond.

Nobody is saying that we as the fans should tell the players what to do. The question is if we the fans want to make our displeasure heard to force long overdue changes in a risky profession. Every industry, everywhere, deals with these kinds of pressures every day. It’s part of living and operating in the world. The idea of some kind of trampling of rights is very abstract. Mike Webster, Justin Strelcyzk and the many shortened lives we’ve seen as a result of the game are very concrete.

by Chibronx on Nov 29, 2009 6:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Interestingly

I have worked as a drywaller. I also currently work as a “flagger” for construction crews. I stand on my feet 8-12 hours a day in the heat of summer and the cold of winter, in the rain, in the snow. I breathe exhaust fumes all day. I have almost been run over I don’t know how many times. The dangers of football? Really? Highly paid athletes getting their dream job and we need to worry about them getting health care? What about my health care? Workmans Comp? I don’t think so, that wont pay the bills. My employer goes out of their way to convince workers to NOT go to the doctor. Seriously, they will try to convince you that you are not THAT hurt. It happens everywhere. Let these millionaires get their own doctors and let’s focus on those who can’t afford one.
Really this whole thing sickens me as much as the Auto workers union and their rediculous contracts.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Nov 30, 2009 5:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The great thing is that it’s not an either/or choice. We can lobby the states to better enforce workers comp laws, push for better workplace training and more OSHA inspections, AND ask the NFL to do something about concussions. It shouldn’t be surprising that on a football fan site, we talk about occupational health issues in football. Nobody is saying to look out for NFL players at the expense of other workers.

by Chibronx on Nov 30, 2009 8:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

My post was inappropriate and I let my emotions and hangover do my thinking.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Nov 30, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No apology necessary. I’ve done a lot of work on legal enforcement in construction, and definitely want the same things as you….

by Chibronx on Nov 30, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Your comment was not inappropriate Sean

As a soon-to-be retired Union Pipefitter, I understand where you are coming from. There are eminent dangers in many occupations, some more lethal than others. The fact that our country has very real medical coverage and economic issues makes it hard for anyone to feel sorry for people in the “Entertainment” business. Especially when their salaries exceed the average Joe by leaps and bounds.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 30, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

These two remarks pretty much cover the gamut

Can we make better rules? Yes. Will they reduce the severity of certain injuries? Yes. Should we?

That’s the big question. If you spend a few days, as I have, with people who can’t walk, can’t think straight and/or can barely raise their arms, that question takes on a very different connotation. Can we, in good conscience, continue to ignore the plight of the retired players who live with terrible health issues and assure than that it’s all ’part of the game?"

If you just look at the issues of the spine centers and the move to independent docs for the players, you’ve taken a couple of big steps. If we improve helmets and change the rules on tackling, we take two more. Neither of these will decimate the game – they are simply inconvenient. Thousands will still throng to the games. Billions will still be made.

My own feeling, colored by my years in clinic, tell me that generally, folks don’t like being reminded of the consequences of the game as it stands now. I don’t blame anyone – it’s just human nature. However – many people are going to live much shorter, far more painful lives due to issues that are in our ability to change. I’m in favor of making those changes.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 29, 2009 5:40 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

An interesting sidenote:

I watched Real Sports last night, and they had a chilling feature on paralyzed high school football players. One kid— now 21— started an outreach for other paralyzed high school players. Membership is a whopping 18— and its membership is limited to kids who were paralyzed in Texas alone.. They showed footage of two of the incidents, and the thing that immediately struck me was that both kids were hurt breaking basic fundamentals— they led with their heads and did so head down.

Anyway, after I got over the shock about the number of kids hurt, I tried to make sense of how something that has only happened three or four times in the bigger, faster, stronger NFL has happened at least 18 times in Texas alone. I eventually could only conclude that the obvious applied: NFL players are professionals and, by and large, have learned to tackle correctly and thus are much less likely to harm themselves.

The reason I bring this up is that maybe one part of the bigger player safety issue is the league mandating fundamentals. What if ‘literal’ personal fouls were integrated into the rules. For example, a player tackling head down or leading with the head would be flagged, even in instances where they ‘do no harm’. This would be different than more malicious fouls like spearing or a blow to an opponents head. ‘Harmless’ breaches of fundamentals— a head down tackle to the runner’s thigh, for example— could result in a five yard foul enforced with dead ball parameters. In other words, a harmless fundamental breach might cause the loss/gain of minimal yards (5 yards) but not cancel the preceding play. Such nuisance fouls, over time at least, might encourage an improvement in fundamentals without having huge initial impacts in game outcomes.

Its not perfect or a solution in its self, but its one idea, at least. These guys have proven that they are already capable of learning self-preserving techniques. Maybe an attempt to focus on self-protection from less catastrophic injuries would lead to a decrease in the occurrence of ‘minor’ and acute injuries that become chronic conditions over time.
   

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 29, 2009 8:29 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Good points, PO

Thanks for contributing. Those are worth considering

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 29, 2009 9:00 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

PO, what if they went back to leather helmets? Do you think this would force better tackling?

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by TJ Johnson on Nov 30, 2009 1:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny you should ask, because I've pondered that.

I know old school NHL players say that they didn’t have concussion issues until helmets came along. With helmets, the argument goes, other players could play with less regard for their own safety, which, in turn, put the other guys’ safety at higher risk. I think it’d be to dangerous at this point in the NFL. If you went to leather helmets, then you’d have to take the plastic out of the rest or guys would suffer grave injuries in the short term, at least.

In football, I think if you could weed out the self inflicted concussions and neck injuries, you’d be off to one heck of a start. Al Wilson’s final injury, for example, came on a poor tackle. That kid that almost got paralyzed against Denver— very bad fundamentals. Most of us could probably come up a with a huge list of self inflicted injuries off the top of our heads with a little thought.

by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Riddle Me This

The NFL seems to be the focus of all concussion injuries, but why is it that MMA and boxing don’t get more attention, where the goal is to beat the other guy’s head in and to knock him out.

And why is this always reffered to as a KO, but whenever a guy gets knocked out in football it’s called a “concussion”.

When the brain slams in to the skull, bruises, and then short-circuits for awhile, whether it’s from a guy’s helmet slamming to the ground or from a punch to the cranium, it seems to me that we’re comparing rabbits to hares here.

These guys in MMA are getting knocked out all the time, and nobody seems to have a problem with that.

What’s the deal?

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by Fried Donkey on Nov 29, 2009 8:46 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Glad to, FD

1. Actually, lots of folks are concerned as heck with the MMA issue. The NFL is vastly larger, far more money is at stake and it has an Anti-trust Exemption, which makes a difference.

2. As a former martial artist with a group of black belts, I also know how badly concussions can affect folks in that area. The MMA approach, by it’s nature, is the pursuit of brain injuries. If you get into that ring, one of you will frequently/usually come out with one. It’s not very smart. Most fighters will have some level of brain damage over a career. From a medical viewpoint, it’s actually quite barbaric

3. But at least MMA fighters, like boxers, train extensively to learn to strengthen the neck muscles to take those impacts. Can the NFL? Yes. Is there a better approach? Yes.

4. A major difference is that in MMA, you are going in to knock someone out or get knocked out. It’s inherent in the contract that you are consciously entering into. In football, it’s a side effect that is repeated, perhaps hundreds of times. No MMA fighter has that many such impacts – they couldn’t stand or dress themselves. And, some of them will end up that way, in the future. That’s a matter of fact, not opinion.

5. Last, in MMA, you can’t really change the sport without ending it – it would become a different sport altogether. In football, there is a lot that we can do – early detection, baseline scans, careful monitoring, independent medical counsel, better helmets, better education and different techniques, to name a few. Also, thousands of retired NFL players had to suffer before we made the changes that need to be made. I hope that’s not the case in MMA, but it probably will be.

Many venues have begun to ban MMA on the basis that it’s simply a barbaric blood sport. I tend to agree with them, but as a doc, you’d probably expect that.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 29, 2009 8:58 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the insight

I used to watch MMA occasionally, and still do every once in a while, and I just find it so odd that I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone mention the word concussion on any of these shows.

Some of those guys get rocked early on and you know that they are fighting with a concussion. It just seems like it should be a bigger saftey concern on their part.

Weird how the perception of injuries varies so dramatically between sports.

The-eBook-Reader.com

by Fried Donkey on Nov 30, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Doc, and perfectly timed.

I saw a couple of players had concussions today: Warner of AZ and I think, DeSean (can’t remember his last name) of the Eagles. Glad to see attention being given to this.

I had to end my HS football career mid-season my Senior year because of this. I didn’t have many of the symptoms that were listed but when I couldn’t remember anything, I felt that that was from a concussion. It took me about 7 years to get back to the level that I was at before.

Thanks for taking your time.

by Blackknigh on Nov 30, 2009 12:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

BK, I am sad to hear of this, but glad you are back to your old self.

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by TJ Johnson on Nov 30, 2009 1:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ill fitting equipment.

Concussions would be a lot less prevalent if the players and kit men bothered to get set up with helmets that fit correctly.
A helmet should not come off one handed and it should not twist around their head like a hula hoop when the face mask is grabbed.
It should not bobble about when they are running.

Why do i continue to see this happening on the field?

It bothers me greatly that these pro-athletes do all sorts of work on their bodies to make them as perfect as possible for the job and then don’t even bother to get their equipment correct.

by AlleyCat. on Nov 30, 2009 2:58 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I will agree with your statement AlleyCat

but when I read “A few seconds of Panic” by Stefan Fatsis, I doubt that this happens with the Broncos. He spent the better part of a chapter explaining the process of being fitted for his uniform, including the helmet shell.

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 30, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He was using Jay's helmet!

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by KaptainKirk on Nov 30, 2009 5:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 30, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you guys see how many times percy harvins helmet came off v’s the bears.
He might as well have not bothered putting it on :)

by AlleyCat. on Dec 1, 2009 2:15 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hines and Big Ben

It is an uphill battle when current players question a guy who sits out due to a concussion. There is so much on the line each and every week that the only way out is for the league to step in and take the playing decision out of the hands of the team or players. It will be difficult to administer but well worth it.

by The Wad on Nov 30, 2009 7:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good point, Wad

You’re exactly right. We just saw how entrenched the idea that the players should play even if it harms their health is. Warner also missed a game due to concussion. There is more publicity about the problem than there was, but changing the culture is a long process.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Emmett Smith on Nov 30, 2009 8:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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