Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations
Happy Tuesday, friends, if you can manage one. Welcome to another edition of Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations. Well, this was bound to happen, right? Since Sunday afternoon, I have been thinking about what the right tone is to take with this week's ST&NO. I still haven't decided, and it's Monday at 5 PM as I write this paragraph. I guess I am just going to go with it, and play it like it feels. We had an ugly loss, and to top it off, there were only 4 late games, and no Sunday night game, so I didn't see a lot of live football, at all. We'll make do, because that's all we can do. Out of the echo chamber, and into the fire y'all. Ready.... BEGIN!!!!
1. The two plays which set the tone for yesterday's game happened at the beginning of each half. On the Broncos' first play from scrimmage, Jarret Johnson came in untouched and unrecognized off the defense's left side, and creamed Kyle Orton for a big loss. As I watched the play happen, I couldn't help but think that the Broncos may not be well-prepared if they weren't expecting a lot of blitzing.
As the second half got underway, Lardarius Webb took the opening kickoff back 95 yards for a TD. That took a manageable 6-0 halftime deficit to 13-0, and essentially dictated that the Broncos start playing come-from-behind football. You see the picture of this play, and I used it because it sticks in my craw (whatever a craw is), and I want it stick in yours, too. I guarantee it bothers the coaches and players. You can't have that happen and expect to win.
The final score, 30-7, sounds like a blowout, but this game wasn't really that. This game swung on field position, and third-down performance, which was directly driven by down-and-distance situations. The Ravens made key plays on 3rd down, and the Broncos missed opportunities to make those plays.
There's an offensive concept called staying on schedule, and it means that from first and 10, you get to 2nd and 6, and then to 3rd and 2. All your down-and-distance situations are manageable if you stay on schedule. It's a really good thing to do every game, but it's absolutely imperative against a team like Baltimore, which can bring a bunch of overload pressure and force a QB to either throw way short of the first down or eat the ball.
Actually, the Broncos did a great job throughout the game with first-down defense, and getting Baltimore off schedule themselves. The Ravens, though, led by Joe Flacco, made enough plays to negate those early-down advantages.
The world didn't end, and all we can hope is that some lessons are learned from the experience by the players and coaches, and that those lessons are applied to future situations. Sometimes a loss is a growth opportunity, and I think that there is a solid reson to think that this loss was one of those.
2. Information From My Eyes. Denver Broncos at Baltimore Ravens:
a. I thought Mitch Berger was awul on Sunday, despite Josh McDaniels' charitable comments about his performance. Hang time is fine, but I want changes in field position. The Broncos lost the field position game the whole first half, in large part because of bad punting.
b. I disliked the offensive game plan and the play calling. The 3rd-and-5 sweep for Correll Buckhalter on the second series is an example. I thought there were too many screens against a team which clearly came to stop the screen. I wanted to see more use of Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal agains the Baltimore CBs, and I am perplexed as to why we didn't get more of that.
c. I was really pleased with the way that Mario Haggan was consistently setting the edge in this game. He has a physical style of play which is perfect for the position he plays. It's pretty shocking that he was basically a special teamer only in Buffalo, because he's a top-notch 3-4 OLB.
d. I don't blame Knowshon Moreno very much for the fumble (this time). That play was doomed from the start, with Jarret Johnson forcing a high throw and tough catch, and Moreno turning right into a thumping from Ed Reed.
e. Andra Davis is playing at a Pro Bowl level this season, when he is on the field. He plays downhill all the time and has a great sense of timing with the snap count. The great thing about him is that he seems to be cool with coming off the field on 3rd downs, and letting Wesley Woodyard play the long-yardage situations, which Woodyard's much better suited for.
f. There was a lot of dancing by Brandon Marshall on his four catches. I'd like to see him get upfield quicker after the catch. I'd also like to see him use his physicality to get open on some downfield stuff.
g. I was tired by 10:30 Monday night, when I re-watched this game, so I didn't tally anything, but anecdotally, the screen game was a complete disaster on offense for the Broncos.
h. Kyle Orton had two easy interceptions dropped in this game. One was on a play where he got crushed and the ball came out weakly, and the other was a terrible decision, with Jarret Johnson sitting in an underneath zone, and Dawan Landry right behind him. Orton needs to play better than he did Sunday, like the rest of the offense.
i. With the score 16-7 early in the 4th quarter, the Broncos had Baltimore in a 3rd and 12 near midfield. On consecutive plays, Elvis Dumervil and Darrell Reid jumped offsides. On the resulting 3rd and 2, Flacco escaped pressure and made a downfield throw to Derrick Mason. This basically ended the game, because soon after, Mason scored to make the score 23-7.
j. Renaldo Hill looked out of position on the aforementioned Mason TD. Andre' Goodman had outside leverage on the play, with good coverage, really, but Hill never got over the top to help him. He may have seen something that kept him in the shallow middle; but it was a bust, clear as day, because Brian Dawkins played the coverage like he had a deep half on the other side. Credit Flacco for seeing the blown coverage and making a perfect throw.
k. From the Ravens' side, I liked their use of the no-huddle stuff, and their attempts to vary tempo. The Broncos substitute very liberally, and are one of the most package-intensive defenses in the NFL. By having to hesitate on substituting at times, they assumed a disadvantaged position against the Ravens. Really, I think that the lack of freshness of some players, who had larger than usual workloads, is a lot of what got them in the 4th quarter.
3. Information From My Eyes, Other Games:
a. As I mentioned, I didn't see a lot of other live games, since most ran at the same time as the Broncos game. To make up for that, I recorded some Short Cuts Sunday night, and hurried home from Day 1 of month-end close Monday to watch them. I started with the Jets and Dolphins, and my first (Nearsighted) Observation is that the Jets played a dominant game on defense, which surprised me a little. I thought they'd miss Kris Jenkins a lot more than they seemed to, especially with all the Wildcat stuff going on. The Jets held the Dolphins to 104 total yards, 52 each passing and rushing.
b. It's really something to score 30 points with 104 yards of offense. Jason Taylor got a fumble recovery for a TD and Ted Ginn returned two kickoffs. I have highlighted Ginn's lack of suddenness before - but let me tell you, when he gets going, he's as fast as anybody in the NFL. He outran players who had good angles on both TD returns. He may never be a top WR, but he's elite as a kickoff returner.
c. I think Thomas Jones is the most underrated player in the NFL. He started slow in the NFL, largely due to his being drafted by a horrible Arizona Cardinals team, but once he got it going in Tampa Bay, he's been a consistently productive player. He's on pace for 1,400 yards and 14 TDs this season, and is a big part of the Jets' success on offense.
d. The most overrated player has to be Jason Peters, just ahead of Alan Faneca and Flozell Adams. The bloom is mostly off the Faneca and Adams roses, at this point, but Peters still gets a lot of love from the MSM. I have just seen him get beat too many times the last two years, and the jury is in for me. He looks like he'd make a good Right Tackle, but on the left side, he gets beaten constantly by quick pass rushers. Osi Umenyiora owned him several times on Sunday.
e. DeSean Jackson is already a great player, and he's improving. He needs to be played physically, because if you let him run free through a defense, he's going to shred you. He's not really a true number-one receiver, who's going to defeat double coverage, but he's a dynamic outside guy.
f. The Eagles have a pretty fearsome passing game, when their line isn't getting Donovan McNabb sacked. Jeremy Maclin is having a solid rookie year, but I'm especially impressed with Brent Celek, who does a great job of catching the ball in traffic. He's now on pace for over 1,000 receiving yards this season. Celek isn't much of a blocker, really, but he even had a good hold that didn't get called on Sunday, helping spring Leonard Weaver's long TD run.
g. ST&NO favorite Alex Smith had a pretty nice game on Sunday against Indianapolis. He looks really comfortable in the shotgun, and led a great hurry-up TD drive at the end of the first half. For his part, Smith looked good for most of the game. The 49ers offense just repeatedly found ways to take bad penalties or give up sacks, (especially in the second half, after Joe Staley got hurt), which kept stopping the offense. Smith is showing a good rapport with Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, who looks like the real deal, already, two weeks into his career.
h. Peyton Manning was a little off on Sunday with his deep ball. That happens so infrequently that I thought it was worth highlighting.
i. I still can't figure out why the Colts cut Ed Johnson a couple weeks ago. They're very vulnerable to the inside running game without him. The Colts brass said the release was performance-related, but I don't buy that for a second. Johnson was definitely their best DT.
j. Very interesting news Monday evening that the Chargers had released Chris Chambers. He has been struggling to get the separation he used to get, but waiving him seems like a pretty extreme measure. You can't tell me that he couldn't beat nickel or dime CBs against most teams. I'd be very surprised if he isn't on a new team very quickly.
k. The Raiders had a legitimate shot to drive to a tying TD and 2-point conversion in the final minutes of Sunday's game against the Chargers. Then, something completely emblematic of the Raiders happened. Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey lined up on the offense's right side, and both ran vertical routes against man coverage. The inside receiver released outside of the DB covering him, and the outside receiver released inside. They bumped into each other, and both fell down. JaMarcus Russell had nowhere to throw the ball and got sacked, despite a 7-step drop and max protection on the play. The game was functionally over at that point.
l. Aaron Rodgers got beaten up mercilessly again on Sunday, particularly early in the game. I actually thought T.J. Lang was generally pretty solid at LT, but Jared Allen still got 3 sacks. He now has 7.5 sacks in 2 games against Green Bay this year, which is like giving him a handicap in the sack race with Elvis Dumervil.
m. I really thought that Arizona had gotten their act together, but they got hammered by Carolina on Sunday. They went into the game with the number-one run defense in the NFL, and then got run over by DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. I think it was an aberration, but that remains to be seen.
n. I've never liked Matt Ryan's arm much, and Monday night reinforced that feeling for me. Because the Falcons have a below-average line in pass protection, they max-protect a lot, leaving few receivers in the pattern. If the coverage is tight, as it was Monday, Ryan always seems to struggle to make throws to beat the coverage. He's really not too dissimilar to Kyle Orton in that way, though Orton throws the ball with more velocity. Ryan needs to have a lot of options, where he can pick a guy who is open. For that reason, Atlanta needs to focus on building their offensive line. Sam Baker, particularly, isn't good enough at LT, and would make a better LG. Baker got annihilated by Will Smith throughout Monday night's game.
o. My man Thomas DeCoud was at it again for the Falcons on Monday night. He had a sack that forced a TD in the first quarter. This guy is a big-time young player.
p. Jeff Triplette is the worst referee in the NFL, and it's not even close. He just couldn't figure out the clock on Monday night, and he has no command with the crowd. It always seems like he lets them rattle him. When you're a referee, a sheepish smile is a bad thing. You need to command the stadium, like Ed Hochuli and Mike Carey do. Gene Steratore is a good younger referee, too.
r. Marques Colston is having a fantastic year for the Saints. Prior to this year, I've always thought of him as a fairly-average starting WR who has benfitted from strong QB play, and a friendly system. I really see him winning a lot of one-on-one battles with his physicality now. He was targeted 6 times Monday night, and made 6 catches for 85 yards and a TD. He really battled for the ball on a few of those catches, including the TD.
4. Between The Lines, Denver Broncos at Baltimore Ravens
a. The Broncos had a very bad day in protection, and there's no way to sugarcoat that. The Ravens blitzed more often than what it seemed the Broncos were prepared for. Ryan Clady got beaten twice, which is twice more than usual, and got Orton hit. He was otherwise his normal self. The rag-doll was Ben Hamilton. I am getting tired of writing that every week, but if he's going to get his butt kicked, I'll keep writing it. Old friend Trevor Pryce destroyed Hamilton all game. Casey Wiegmann had his worst game of the year too, with Kelly Gregg beating him more often than not. I was pleased with Chris Kuper's play against Haloti Ngata, and I thought Tyler Polumbus did a very nice job filling in for Ryan Harris. The Broncos got Orton sacked twice (once by a DB) and pressured many more times than that. The passing game was a clear win for the Ravens defensive line.
b. The running aspect was actually better for the Broncos. They picked up a couple of 3rd and shorts, which was nice for a change, and generally held the line of scrimmage, and got a bit of surge against an excellent group for Baltimore. The only notable running play which was blown up was the 3rd-and-5 sweep. I liked the work of Clady and Kuper, and everybody was actually pretty solid in the running game. The Broncos only ran for 3.5 yards per carry - but against Baltimore, that's pretty solid. This was a draw, but one the Broncos would have been happy with if they'd protected better.
c. The Broncos did a good job pressuring Flacco throughout the game, and were beaten by some great throws and poise. These things happen. Jared Gaither held Elvis Dumervil repeatedly, but he didn't get penalized, so kudos to him, if he likes granola bars. Ben Grubbs and Michael Oher, the two best players on the Baltimore line, had good days, and the two weakest, Matt Birk and Chris Chester, didn't so much. A lot of the Broncos' pressure came from the Back 8, which is typical of them. The Ravens allowed a lot of pressure, but much like Ben Roethlisberger, Flacco showed a really good ability to evade the pressure, and make plays in spite of it.
d. The Broncos defense won big in the running game, until the last 10 minutes of the game, when it seemed like they wore down. The Broncos had 10 tackles for loss, which is the kind of performance that typically wins games. Unfortunately, Flacco's big plays negated a lot of this good work. When you consider it separately though, the Broncos won this battle for most of the game. Notable Broncos were Ronald Fields, Kenny Peterson, and Marcus Thomas. Ryan McBean got some penetration too, and Le Kevin Smith made a good play, also.
e. Overall, you have to give an edge to Baltimore, for how well they pressured Kyle Orton. It was the primary reason the Broncos never got untracked on offense. The Broncos did a more-than-respectable job in the other phases, though.
5. Word broke on Monday that the Browns had fired General Manager George Kokinis. I really can't imagine why they'd want to do that. Reportedly, Randy Lerner is displeased that Kokinis didn't take an active role in speaking to the media and communicating to the outside world. If that's really the problem, then I think it's clear that Lerner doesn't get professional football. During the season, the GM needs to be quiet and let the Head Coach be the voice of the team. This is the way it works everywhere, even a place like Baltimore, where GM Ozzie Newsome is the top football guy in the organization. That's where Kokinis came from.
Here in Cleveland, the Browns organization is really far too worried about public opinion. Remember how the Broncos organization ignored the DP message boards all offseason, and then the booing at the scrimmage? You have to do that, or you'll never get going in a coherent direction. I don't know if the Mangini plan is the right one, but it seems that Randy Lerner just canceled it before it even had half a season to work. Rumor has it that Lerner is trying to bring in Ernie Accorsi to join Bernie Kosar as a consultant. As respected as Accorsi is, this sounds like Lerner already blew the situation.
Phil Savage, who is still being paid for the next 3 1/2 years, had some interesting comments this past week. He said that the previous regime left this one with two quarterbacks, and that both of them look ruined at this point. The Browns will almost certainly be in the drafting-a-QB business again this coming spring, and that typically signals another full deep dive into rebuilding. While they're at it, they need a right side of the offensive line, two RBs, a WR, and a TE. Then they can turn their attention to the defense, which is currently solid enough to be part of a .500 team.
The team, led by Lerner, needs to definitively figure out what they want to be. They need to then formulate a plan to become that, and start executing the plan. Most importantly, though, they have to try to clearly articulate that plan to their stakeholders, and then prepare to stick to that plan, no matter what Joe in Berea, or Stanislaus in West Park have to say on the radio. You have to build your program, and winning will follow. As we all know, winning is the great deodorant.
More month-end closing activities are ahead for me this week. It seems like just last week I was closing September and complaining here about how busy I am. Now, it returns. The good news is that I will have a full Sunday of game-watching and channel-flipping next weekend, so expect a more-robust set of games which I'll be commenting on. Have a great week, friends, and remember to visit MileHighReport.com every day, for all your Broncos news and analysis.
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Ryan and Orton
My thought as I watched Ryan get picked off for a TD last night at the end of the 1st half is that is a nice thing about Orton. I saw a few people tagging on Orton again yesterday about not going downfield. I would have liked thAt also, but an int for a TD is a killer. It took Atlanta from down 7 to down 14 just like that.Things weren’t going our way, but spotting the other team another 7 points won’t get you back in the game. I do think something needs doing to go longer, but it’s nice to force the other team to beat you rather then beat yourself with costly turnovers.
by NDbronco on Nov 3, 2009 7:27 AM MST via mobile reply actions
The Broncos won!
… Or would have if they would have scored more points than Baltimore. :o)
Those woulda/coulda/shoulda’s will do that every time…
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
I get the point and there is no issue with you, Vel
Just having some fun with that alternate universe named “would have.”
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
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I’m there, it’s warm and the umbrella drinks are on my tab for the super bowl week!!!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
If not for Oakland, the Browns would be the worst organization in the NFL. Terrible clueless ownership, awful coaching, lack of player talent. The Browns are a joke and there is no light at the end of the tunnel for them right now. I bet they are on their 3rd QB by late November.
I’m glad you pointed out Orton’s poor performance on Sunday. There were some very smart bloggers that said he had a decent game, but he didn’t. He telegraphed several throws (one pass got Knowshon destroyed/caused a fumble, Orton didn’t step into a pocket a few times and showed some poor footwork, he didn’t recognize the blitzes and didn’t audible in several situations where it was necessary). That said, I thought the O-line, receivers and coaching were even more inept than Kyle. 200 total yards with about 50 of those coming in a last minute garbage drive. Our O really sucked on Sunday. And somehow our special teams were even worse. Berger was pitiful.
I felt bad for our D because they were fantastic for the 1st three quarters, but wore down when the O and ST kept flailing about the field.
But, the rest of the results were pretty good on Sunday. The Jets are dead to me as far as the playoff push. There will be no wild cards coming from the AFC East and I don’t think there will be a wild card team from the AFC South either as Houston has five tough games left on their schedule. The AFC North has to play itself and the NFC North so there will be a lot more losses absorbed by Pitt, Cincy and Baltimore. IMO, if Denver can win on Monday night (tie breakers over Cincy, Pitt and SD) we are pretty much a lock to make the playoffs.
Denver probably does have the best tackles in the NFL, but I’m done calling us the best O-line. Hamilton is a below average player and now Wiegmann is a liability as well. You can’t have the best O-line in the NFL with two soft spots out of five. It’s still good, but it’s not elite. I bet we add a 1st or 2nd round pick to this group in 2010.
The schedule maker is a real prick for giving us 3 back to back to back games vs teams coming off their bye week while not making SD play any. How does that happen?
My guess is that the Colts Ed Johnson is like a Mike Bell (Broncos version) or Randy Moss (Raider version) and is a cancer in the locker room. His arrest did his character concerns no favors. He’s probably a real punk and the coaches just couldn’t stand him anymore.
Jeff Triplette=bad joke. I can’t belief this guy is still employed by the NFL. No one likes him but swear he recently officiated a Super Bowl or Conference Championship game. He has naked pictures of someone.
Aaron Rodgers will land on IR at some point this season. BJ Raji should be a Bronco because Michael Oher should be a Packer. I love watching the draft because the fates of several teams can hinge on each pick or bad pick (like Heyward Bey).
McGeroge favorite DeSean Jackson has become a better player in 2009 than Eddie Royal. That makes me sad. Eddie has a bad case of the sophomore slump.
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I've also been pretty ticked about the 3 week stretch against teams coming off a bye,
BUT I’ve also come to recognize value in how the rest of our schedule has shaped up. I KNOW Cinci is a pretty good team, but I still think Cinci, Cle, Oak to start the season was HUGE. And the rest of it hasn’t been (or isn’t looking) that bad. I think I’m going to let this gripe (re: teams coming off the bye) go…
Orton
McG – you bring up some good points but I find it ironic that you only show up to post when Orton has a below avg game. That type of posting screams of a strong dislike for Orton no matter how he performs – good or bad. That’s not fair.
His performance was sub par no doubt but he has proven himself to be one of the top 10 QB’s in the league and one of the best – if not the best – in the fourth quarter when it counts. I’ll make no excuses for his play or the rest of the team. Which is the point: the TEAM got outplayed and we were outcoached and outschemed. Baltimore was the better team. Period.
I realized you pointed out some of our other ineptitudes Sunday. I agree. But in my opinion you are the typical fan who will find no good in Orton – no matter how well he performs and actually take joy in his bad performances so you can say you were right.
Of course, if it only happens once every seven games I’ll let you have your fun.
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"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
I get this crap about not liking Orton all the time. Look at my avatar. Give it up already.
I like Orton. He’s are freaking QB for goodness sakes. I’ve said the following about 150 times (dating back to April) “that I would NOT trade Orton straight up for Cassel, Jason Campbell or Brady Quinn”. I’d have throw in JaBust Rusell, Matt Leinhart and a few other names as well if I didn’t think it was already so freaking obvious that Orton was better than those guys.
Not to put words into Ted’s mouth but I wonder if he (as a Cleveland citizen) would have said that about Quinn for Orton back in April.
Orton played great vs San Diego and NE. He was pretty good vs Dallas as well. I don’t know if he is Top 10, but he’s been pretty damn effective for us and a BIG reason why we are 6-1.
Try reading and digesting what I write before firing off nonsense again.
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Not nonsense. Responding to your inept arguments. Perhaps you should back and read some of your posts. Nice try, though.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Ditto. At least you keep is short when you have nothing of substance to say. Props for that..
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by McGeorge on Nov 3, 2009 8:37 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh...
Did I strike a chord? I’m simply trying to point out your history of posting anti-Orton no matter what. To say that you wouldn’t trade him straight up for the aforementioned QB’s would be a given in anyone’s book and doesn’t make up for your history of unfairly judging the guy. When you have valid arguments I agree with you. But when you don’t I’ll call you on it. Try not to get mad. I’d like to have a decent debate with you but you’re starting to get a little snarky. No need.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Are you serious? Go read you initial post pal and think about your term snarky. You call that decent debate?
Stop being the pot that calls the kettle black.
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McGeorge
I did. My initial post wasn’t snarky. However, I did NOT read all of your response after you told me to ‘get over it’. I should have. You gave Orton some of the credit he has coming.
You were right about me getting snarky too. I apologize.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
by SSMT on Nov 3, 2009 8:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I have McG;s back on this....
Hes come a long way on his views of Orton, and he is not wrong regarding the weekend. There is nothing inflammatory about his remarks. They are spot on.
We only disagree on semantics…I say average….but he is correct that there were worse things in game.
I think EVERYONE needs to stop pilng on McG based on the past. Hes a passionate fan and brings legit arguments to the table.
We RARELY agree, but he is a good poster. Lets get off his back eh?
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Not Inflammatory
Boydy – I agree with you. I’m really not trying to pile on by any means. I respect McG for the most part and agree with a lot of what he posts. But, if I see something I disagree with I do try to call him on it. I don’t like being told to ‘get over it’ when I bring a valid argument to the table. But, I’ll be the first to apologize if I’ve crossed a line.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Don't take sides against McGeorge
He’s been adopted as a kind of MHR pet: by protecting him — and by going after those who snipe at the tone of his posts — certain people here get to pretend that they are more open-minded than those who call McGeorge out from time to time.
It’s a way to score some cheap grace.
Personally, I think McGeorge is an asset to the site; the problem I have with him is the hyperbole he often engages in — most of it toward the negative. To wit: it doesn’t take much for Orton to be “terrible”; but it takes a nearly flawless game for him to have played “great.”
Having said that, I’m tired of people defending McGeorge when he doesn’t need defending. Just as these defenders make a show of respecting McGeorge’s opinions, they should try to respect the opinions of those who don’t necessarily respect what McGeorge says or (more importantly) how he says it.
It’s not “open minded” to allow arguments you don’t agree with to go unchallenged just because the person making them represents a different viewpoint. If the argument is wrong, it’s wrong. And saying so doesn’t make you close-minded or a hater; instead, it fosters debate — even if in so doing, you don’t get to bask in the warm and welcoming glow self-congratulation for being so non-judgmental.
by JeffG on Nov 3, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
How is this "Orton played excellent vs NE and SD"
You of all people know I don’t have any problem defending myself. I held up just fine today vs. SSMT. Resolved peacefully BTW.
I am more interested in how you achieved double spacing?
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Goes both ways
Clearly a top 10 qb and possibly the best in the 4th quarter? You would really take Orton over Manning, Brady, Brees, River etc in the 4th quarter? He has proven he is a top 10 qb in the 1st part of the season but lets wait until he has a whole season and hopefully successful playoffs under his belt before anointing him one of the best in the game (and paying him as such).
Orton has done a great job this year but it is time for the training wheels to come off this offense. Either McD does not trust Orton to challenge down the field or Orton is uncomfortable doing so. The Ravens decided not to respect his ability to go down field and most likely the remaining teams will do the same until the offense proves they can. When you got a large guy like Marshall that has shown he can play D on a deep ball if need be, you need to take occasional shots down field knowing that a completion, pass interference, or incomplete is the likely outcome when you have a 6’ 5" receiver going against a 5’ 11" corner. A great opportunity awaits Mcd, Orton and the offense. I suspect they have learned alot in Baltimore and it will show on Monday night.
Downfield
Orton has the ability to throw it downfield and I think if McD ever had trust in Orton – it had to be sky high before the Baltimore game. I think not stretching the field was more of a result of our gameplan (as it has been all year from what I’ve seen).
Marshall and Royal are more YAC guys. Plus, Orton was on his back a lot or pressured. From what I saw it was just an all around poor game from the scheme to the players actually carrying our their responsibilities. Time will tell. Whatever the case, we’ll see if they get things fixed against a very good Pittsburgh team Monday.
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Deep Ball
At the post game presser McD said they had their safeties playing very deep and basically took away the deep ball. That’s something you almost never see on TV because they always frame the area around wherever the ball is in play, and basically crop out the down field action unless/until the ball goes there.
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McGeorge...you are a little black and white today my friend....
I AGREE regarding Hamilton. His time is done, and we need to blood Olsen. Polumbus was solid and will do fine rotating with Hochstein if needed. In fact, would not be surprised if they move Kuper to RT.
You cant write Weigmann off after one game. He played badly against Baltimore, but he was trying to cover for Benny half the time too….and there is not a bigger front than Ngata and Gregg with the rudhing ability for Pryce.
Eddie needs to be playing WR only….and he has been getting marked on this year.
Good post though my friend!
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You bring up an interesting point, boydy.
So you’re postulating using Clady at LT, Kuper at RT, Wegs at C, and Polumbus at RG and Hochstein at LG?
Of course, this would be the case only until Harris gets back from the toe injury, right?
That’s an interesting thought…
What worries me about getting Hamilton some help is that it would seem to leave us more susceptible to the A-gap blitz off the right of the center, since Kuper wouldn’t see as much help from Wegs. Stunts would seem a worry as well if teams know that Hamilton is going to get consistent help.
I agree about Olsen. Let’s start getting him involved. ‘Blooded’ if you will… :P
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Polumbus is tall and kind of lien for an O-linemen. He is not built stout like a guard and Kuper is. Polumbus was a tackle in college and that is the position he knows. Kuper is also really coming on as a guard and I’d hate to see us mess with a good thing like his progress.
I’d rather just throw Hochstein or Olsen in for Hamilton if Ben keeps getting smoked every week.
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Agree
Which really sucks. I like Hamilton, but it’s difficult to watch him getting his arse handed to him.
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I’m not ready to write Weigmann off, but (IMO) he was much better last season.
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The interior of the OL has got to be a priority in the offseason.
We’ve only got two young interior O lineman – Olsen and Mitch Erickson. It’s likely that Hamilton and Weigman will both need to be replaced next year (if not this year in Hamilton’s case)
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
DeSean Jackson
He is pretty good player but he can be a real knucklehead. He might make a great play but it is just a matter of time before he has a stupid celebration penalty or something and costs the game.
My biggest complaint about Eddie and the other WR right now is anytime they don’t make a catch they seem to be lobbying for pass interference. Cut that crap out, I’m sure you were interfered with but I don’t know that it helps are cause any to call for a flag to be thrown. My feeling is they will either throw the flag or they wont.
Great post and rec’d
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by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 3, 2009 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
I dunno
On the one PI called down field came in late and kind of seemed to be thrown after BM put up such a fuss. To me, I see no problem with it. Just like when a QB gets tapped after a throw and starts hollering at the ref for a roughing call or like in basketball when a guy gets brushed and goes flying across the court to get the charging call. If you can get that little bit extra (or in that PI case with BM, a LOT extra), why not try? Worst thing that happens is you get no call but the refs watch closer the next time.
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by EastCoastBronco on Nov 3, 2009 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
Was Mike Bell a bad guy in Denver?
I never heard this about him. Interesting, if it’s the case…
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
Mike Bell publicly admitted just a few weeks ago that his attitude was terrible during his 2nd season in Denver and that “Denver was right to cut me”.
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Good tidbit
Thanks, McGeorge
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
Bell
He may have said that, but I think his standard of “bad attitude” and Randy Moss’ standard of “bad attitude” don’t even belong in the same sentence. He always conducted himself publicly with class and deference.
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I wasn’t trying to compare Mike Bell to Randy Moss. Just saying both were bad locker room guys and teammates at one point in their careers. I suspect this is the case with Ed Johnson – formerly of Indy. I don’t think he was resigned elsewhere so we can probably make some accurate inferences about his character because he is a legit NFL talent.
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Gotta admit
I never heard the stuff Bell said before today. It surprises me because of the way he handled himself publicly. I’m glad you don’t think Bell=Moss.
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Yes
When Shanny moved Bell to FB he admitted he stopped caring and did not try anymore, packed on the pounds and gave up on the team. He said he was basically a cancer in the locker room that needed to be cut.
never heard that
That’s good to know. I always wondered why he got cut. I always thought he had talent and heart.
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by EastCoastBronco on Nov 3, 2009 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
Great points as always McGeorge
You always bring a lot of good stuff to the table. Thanks for your contribution
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Thanks for STNO. It’s the new and improved MMQB for me. My favorite piece at my favorite website.
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Now that you mention it, McG, Ted’s STNO is like an improved version of King’s MMQB. Nice!
Actually, it’s like King’s MMQB minus coffee tidbits, minus travel plans, minus endless Favre drivel, and plus more Broncos content… So that makes STNO a win-win-win-WIN situation! You’ve got to take that type of deal when you can get it!
by aLuffabo on Nov 3, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for your work Ted!
Great stuff as always (even if a bit abbreviated).
Good luck with month end!
STNO is the cure for Tuesday morning productivity.
Much appreciated, Ted!
A few quick points:
Overall, I think if anyone has to be the goat after the loss to the Ravens, it would be the O-line first, followed by the special teams.
When the first offensive snap results in an unblocked, blind-side sack (which should have been a fumble), you know the OL is going to have a LONG day. I hate to say it, but our OL looked much like the SD line in the second half against the Broncos D. Bad communication, poor footwork, and weak angles. The good news is that Dennison and McD can fix most of those things, and either get Ben some help, or start rotating in Olsen or Hochstein.
As for the ST effort, I have been whining about Berger since the gameday thread. One extremely close near-block, and at least one more that was danger close, does not bode well. His windup has got to get faster, but how do you teach that to an older punter? Between him and the anemic offense, our stellar defense was forced to play handicapped the entire game.
That’s about as doomsday as I’m going to get, though. McD, Nolan, and Dawkins will use this as a much-needed wake-up call for the team. If anything, it pretty clearly crystallized our weaknesses in the span of one game. Now that we know what isn’t working, we can move on to getting it fixed.
Also, as a Utes fan, I’m glad to see Alex Smith doing a little better. Go figure that putting him in shotgun would help his game! Weird.
You have to love the play by Ayers where he’s bullrushing the RT and the runner is cruising by and Robert just reaches out IN MID-RUSH and grabs him for the stop. Loved the effort and the result. The kid is getting better and better on the strong side.
Oh, and I just noticed McGeorge’s post, and can’t agree more with the scheduling issues. Besides the fact that we are perennial visitors to Arrowhead in December, it seems a bit funny that we get so many teams coming off byes. Guess you just have to play ’em when you play ’em…
Thanks, again!
- Jason
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I like how you lump Dawkins with the top two coaches.
But that’s proabably how it really is:)
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by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
Good point...
The good news is that Dennison and McD can fix most of those things, and either get Ben some help, or start rotating in Olsen or Hochstein.
That’s what I’m hoping, as well.
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I'm not about to defend the O-line, but that sack was Orton's fault
Moreno was the hot read on the play since the guy lining up across from him came in on the blitz, but Orton didn’t even glance that way. I don’t know if Moreno’s job was to chip him before running his pass route, but if so he’d bear some responsibilty too.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Not as much as in prior weeks.
Audibling and caling out adjustments to the OL has been something I think Orton’s done well this season (he’s lightyears ahead of Cutler in this regard). But the Ravens just seemed to get him completely off his game.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Nov 4, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
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What jubei said...
2a. Our net is up, so on the whole the kicking game is better than Kern’s. Dunno about the stats from either half, though.
Doom is to blame for both of these plays, and essentially those were the last straw.3r. How you’ve seen Marques Colston is not dissimilar to the view most people outside of Denver have of BMarsh
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Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
This stuck in my craw too...
“As the second half got underway, Lardarius Webb took the opening kickoff back 95 yards for a TD. That took a manageable 6-0 halftime deficit to 13-0, and essentially dictated that the Broncos start playing come-from-behind football. You see the picture of this play, and I used it because it sticks in my craw (whatever a craw is), and I want it stick in yours, too. I guarantee it bothers the coaches and players. You can’t have that happen and expect to win.”
My heart dropped to my knees on that play. :(
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Revised to 12-4 due to reality!
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STICK IN ONE’S CRAW – “When you can’t swallow something, when it won’t go down, or you are loath to accept it, it sticks in your craw. The craw is the crop or preliminary stomach of a fowl, where food is predigested. Hunters centuries ago noticed that some birds swallowed bits of stone that were too large to pass through the craw and into the digestive tract. These stones, unlike the sand and pebbles needed by birds to help grind food in the pouch, literally stuck in the craw, couldn’t go down any farther. This oddity became part of the language of hunters and the phrase was soon used figuratively.” From the “Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins” by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997).
by Jenna Talia on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
You beat me to it Jenna
IDIOM:
stick in (one’s) craw
To cause one to feel abiding discontent and resentment.
Good observances Ted. i especially smiled at:
so kudos to him, if he likes granola bars.
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Brandon Marshall
Let me preface this by saying I really like Marshall, no one was happier than me to hear that the Broncos decided to drop the fines for his preseason suspension and the fences look to be fully mended.
My concern is Marshall on the long-ball. It was briefly mentioned last week after he floundered on one in the SD game, but this week it reared it’s ugly head again. I don’t remember the point in the game when it happened, but he had a shot at a long pass and did not look good going for the ball. Even though the defender was called for PI, he should’ve been able to make a better play on the ball than sticking one arm up at it. Maybe it’s because I had noticed it the previous game, and then on Saturday night watched a kid at Notre Dame, Golden Tate, who has a round-baller’s ball skills, go up between 3 defenders and take in a 50 yd Hail Mary before the half, but it’s become a glaring weakness in his game to me. He doesn’t have to be Larry Fitz, but he’s got to find a way to improve his ability to get his hands on the ball off a long pass. I know there are many here who have a coaching background, is this something that is coachable? I know a lot has to be natural instinct, but is there a way for someone who is pedestrian at best to improve in that area? He has the strength of hands to do it, it looks more like being able to adjust to the flight of the ball, gets his hands there and clutch it.
Any thoughts?
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It seemed like we had a hard time bringing Flacco down
I can remember a couple of plays where a rusher would come flying up to Flacco and get a hand on him when Flacco would just sidestep and complete a pass. This seemed like it was happening in the SD game as well. Are we trying to hit the QB instead of just tackling him or is bringing down the QB more difficult than I think it is?
This worries me as we are facing Big Ben on Monday. I have visions of Doom bouncing off Ben just before a 30yd catch and run for a TD.
Flacco just had a great day,
and a big part of that was his pocket presence. He was elusive, but he’s also a bigger guy, like Big Ben. Even when you get a hand on him, sometimes it’s just not enough. You also have to credit the Ravens OL. They negated any attempt a middle pressure, so that when Doom, or the other edge rushers got close outside, he just stepped up and into his throw while avoiding the rush.
Rivers was doing the same thing until Nolan dialed up the A-gap pressure. But the interior of Baltimore’s OL did a much better job than SD did in that regard. Let’s hope that Nolan finds a way to pressure Ben without losing containment (‘contain’ if you’re a bonehead booth commentator). If not, he’ll run around and eventually make a play.
But I have a feeling that more than a few of those runs are going to end in the loving embrace of Doom and Ayers though. And by loving embrace, I mean abrupt and violent punishment, resulting in loss of yardage and perhaps loss of the ball as well.
- Jason
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I love BDawk, but...
he needs to stop leaving his feet for the highlight reel tackle. He would have had a critical sack on Flacco if he had broke down for the tackle. Instead he left his feet, and in midflight Flacco stepped to the side. Dawkins still got a hand on him, and started to spin him to the ground, but Flacco wasn’t covered up so he was able to do that killer pitchout to Rice that felt like a knife to teh heart.
It was an example of a team taking our best shot , from our best player, and getting a huge gain out of it. Psychologically devestating.
We also had tremendous issues with maintaining containment with the pass rush, which will get us slayed against Big Ben. We lost contain eraly and often during the first half, but did a much better job int eh second half, until that last drive came around, where we basically went tit for tat: we would have a big play, followed by a bad play. Problem is, a big play can only gain you 3 to 6 yards, while a bad play cost you 10+ and gives the team a first down.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
+1 regarding the BDawk Superman move.
Love it when it works out, but as you said, a better choice may have been to put his right shoulder pad in Flacco’s gut.
- Jason
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I saw that too
And said essentially the same thing to my wife: I love BDawk’s highlight reel superman tackles, but this time it cost us … and cost us big.
Dawkins is a smart player and wasn't 'whole' problem on defense.
It could have been uglier if not for BDawks inadvertent out stretched arm deflecting the bombs away pass. But you are absolutely right in that sometimes they try too hard to make a play when they should look at the whole picture and make wise plays. There were others who stunk up the field in that game also.
I don't doubt that Dawkins will see taht play on the tape
And take full accountability for it. If he did anything, perhaps he underrated just how tough it is to bring down Flacco. He is a great player who would never make the same mistake twice, so I don’t worry too much about that.
But he does leave his feet a lot for the tackle, which is a fundamental no-no. I can’t complain too much, because I love it when it works, and in terms of technique, it is part of what makes him such a quick closer on tackles (flying through the air is faster than running), so I can see why it is part of his arsenal.
After that play, several other players also whiffed when going for the hit on Flacco…I can’t help but think that if BDawk had gotten the original hit under control, that the others would have followed his example, but that is just me.
I know this whole defense would love another shot at the Ravens though, and if the Ravens play like this the rest of the season, and Denver keeps chopping wood, we may get that opportunity…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 3, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
You're totally right...
And it’s a symptom of a great portion of the league, imo. Too many times you see the blitzing LB go for the highlight reel take-the-head-off-of the QB, instead of simply wrapping up and bringing him down. It’s been a trend ever since those “greatest hits” type video highlights started coming out…
Infuriating to say the least…
Not sure
I don’t know if I agree with that. If I am getting this right, you are talking about when he’s coming at the QB. In that case, the majority of QB’s in the NFL will stand in, deliver the ball and take the hit. I’ve seen Dawkins lauded for jumping in the air because even if he misses the tackle, he has altered or completely stopped the throw. The QB then has to find the receiver again, go somewhere else or pull it down and run. The problem with doing it against guys like Flacco and Rothlesberger(sp) is that it’s part of their game to pull it down and improvise.
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To tell you the truth, I was shocked that Flacco hung onto the ball.
I could just see it flying out…ha.
Are there any Browns that would look good in orange?
If the Cleveland FO is having lots of turnover a firesale before the draft might get us some good value, so I’m just curious.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
The thing I like least about about the changes to our team so far has been, and I hate to say it because I love McD, the offensive play-calling in some games and the overall design of the offense. I understand game management, and can appreciate the fact that our system is designed to reduce turnovers, improve TOP, and take advantage of defensive weaknesses… but when the heat was finally turned up on us by the Ravens, we had no answers.
Maybe someone can help me with this question: Why does it seem like all of our receiver routes end up with our receivers standing still waiting for the ball to be delivered? Where are the short crossing routes, slants, deep post patterns, etc… I know Orton is capable of delivering a quick, crisp pass to a crossing receiver in rhythm… why don’t we do this? It just seems like we make things difficult for ourselves on offense at times. I’ve also noticed that we tend to run predictably… The defense knows we are going to run, and they know where we are going to run.
I am sure that the entire offense is still getting used to and mastering the new system, and that this could be a reason why the play-calling wasn’t effective. But it seems like McD should be able to recognize when things aren’t working (IE the screen game, as Ted mentioned) and be able to tailor the game plan from that point forward to get better results. Isn’t that the whole point of the Amoeba offense we run? To be able to make adjustments and role out the perfect offensive package to attack a defense…
All I know is, we have too much talent on our offense to be held to 7 points in a game, regardless of what defense we are playing. It’s time to open up the playbook, methinks.
I'd love to see some expert input on this as well...
Just no imagination on Sunday… you can’t think that this is the offensive product McDaniel’s wants during week 8. If nothing else, we need to see if Orton is the long term solution, and I shudder to think that this is the complete offense.
by legendarywalton on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
We had about 9 different screens run in that game
they were clearly the heart of the offensive game plan, and they make sense. Denver looked like they were expecting a blitzing, intense, fast Ravens defense to be fielded across from them, and the screens and long pursuit plays looked like an attempt to catch the Ravens overpursuing into the backfield and running side to side on the field. There was even a great play I haven’t seen before where a WR screen ran to one side with Scheff, and another TE screen was developing on the other side with Graham, and Orton could choose between them. It went to Graham and got 3 yards.
On the first drive Lewis bypassed the blockers and stuffed a TE screen, on the next play they bypassed the blockers and stuffed Marshall on a WR screen. Great defensive plays both time, with players staying at home despite an opening play blitz.
On the second drive Denver opened running the ball, but a dropped pass by marshall put them in a 3rd and med they didn’t convert with a 3rd down rushing attempt that was stuffed by Landry. Failed execution on 2nd and 3rd down. The rusher on this drive was Buckhalter, and so far I am seeing the biggest difference between Buck and Moreno is how hard Moreno runs in between the tackles.
The third drive was all runs, with a converted 1st down, followed by a fumble on the screen pass where Ed Reed blasted Moreno. Denver was working on establishing the run already through three drives. They were a balanced 5 and 5 run to pass, and when you consider that screens are a method of establishing running game principles from the passing game (physicality, hitting, ball safety), Denver was 8/2 run to pass in principle.
The next drive was also balanced run pass, and ended on an Eddie Royal drop on 3rd down (also the drive where we lost Harris). Lack of execution.
The next drive featured my favorite call of the game, running 27 out of the shotgun, right off of Polumbus’ hip on Polumbus’ first play of the game. Great way to foster confidence in the kid, and Moreno showed both shiftiness and power, with a nice stiff arm. Great call, great run. This is followed up by a penalty on Marshall, then a WR screen to Marshall that is set up on a bootleg play action. Amazing athleticism shown by our Oline on that play, but Ravens reacted perfectly again, and the play was stuffed. Followed up with a tipped pass in a collapsing pocket. the next play is another well designed screen that had yards in front of it but rookie LB Dannel Ellerbe, made a phenomenal play (the first of several he would make in the game) behind the line of scrimmage to blow up the play. Again execution is the issue.
I could keep going, but it is the same pattern and trends right up until the kick return for TD. At that point, the screens are reduced in frequency significantly, 4 deep passes are executed with 2 being successful, and the run pass balance remains solid at 9-12 leading up to the final 2 drives which were all passes. I’m not sure what fault can truly be found in the playcalling, except that some might have wanted more deep passes towards the end, which in my mind is a dangerous proposition if the safeties are playing deep. Calling for more runs seems odd as well, since it was well balanced right up until the end.
As to why we didn’t abandon the screens earlier, that is tantamount ot abandoning the run, since they establish a lot of the same principles. I would guess the Denver coaches were looking at the plays feeling like if the players would execute them better they would start capitalizing . That execution never really came, mostly in the form of the downfield blocking. The Ravens almost always had at least one player charge in unblocked to blow up the play, and the Broncos didn’t break any tackles in the backfield.
Think about how much pressure the Ravens were bringing, and then consider how often that pressure backed off when Denver ran their screens. They were a key piece of the gameplan puzzle, and unfortunately, they weren’t successful.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 3, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
Awesome analysis...
Thanks for the response.
So, you broke it all down, now what are you opinions? I’m curious to hear if you actually liked the play-calling, or just see why he called the game the way he did? It was thought going into the game that the CB’s were the weakness of their defense… why do you think we didn’t air it out more with quick passes and more multiple receiver sets to spread the defense out? My thoughts are that if we went to more 3 and 4 receiver sets, we would be able to find quick mismatches and be able to get the ball to an open guy (Orton’s strength, IMO). To go along with that, if we go with a spread formation, doesn’t that remove another linebacker from the defense and give them less blitzing options? The only reason I would see McD avoiding this scenario is because he thought (correctly) that we couldn’t handle their interior defensive linemen. So why not run 4 wr’s and leave Moreno in the backfield, put Orton in the shotgun and let Moreno play protection and move the ball down the field? One of the strengths of our offense is depth at WR with a great receiving TE, and it is frustrating to me to not see it used very often. What are your thoughts on why we didn’t/don’t go this route?
Sorry Styg, didn’t mean to bombard you with questions there!
I liked the playcalling and the overall gameplan
The CBs had been exploited in previous weeks, but like the rest of the Raven’s defense, they played much better Sunday.Early in the game Denver was trying to isolate Marshall against those undersized corners. Marshall had one drop early, and on a screen he was tackled and brought down cleanly by Chris Carr… a tiny KR/CB from Boise State. There is no good excuse for either, in terms of defending Marshall’s ‘Beastliness’. Royal also had 2 drops (one was the Ray Lewisinterference non-call… Denver had places in the gameplan to take advantage of the corners, including the deep pass to marshall and 2 deep passes to Gaffney, but none of them worked out except for the interference call on Foxworth. So Denver WAS trying to take advantage of the corners, but it just didn’t work, and Washington in particular played an inspired game after his benching two weeks ago.
Outisde of those errors we had two great drives, one at the end of the first half, one at the begining of the 2nd half where we had all the things you are talking about: Scheffler caught a quick pass for 9, Gafffney caught a quick pass for a long first down, Hillis had 1 play called especially for his number, and then he made another play down in the red zone where he barely got tripped up or he would have scored (we ended up scoring on that drive anyways). Outside fo those two drives the executions simply wasn’t consistent enough, but the plan was the same, and could have resulted in points. We also had a number of the multiple receiver sets you are asking for, and we called a lot of plays from shotgun. Denver was almost baiting the Ravens into bringing pressure so they could take advantage of it, but there were numerous missed assignments in the pass protection schemes.
Out of the first 50 offensive plays (all of them except for the the final two drives at the end of the fourth quarter) 19 were what I would call “bad” plays. Here is my list of what i thought were the biggest factors that sunk those bad plays:
Play 1: Missed pass protection assignments. (Probably Moreno)
Play 2: Missed blocks by releasing 2nd level olinemen. (This was a busted screen)
Play 3: Missed blocks by releasing 2nd level olinemen. (another busted screen)
Play 5: Dropped pass. (Royal)
Play 6: Missed WR blocks on stretch run. (stokley. Marshall also looked like he was in the wrong place. NOTE: I corroborated a Denver tendency today that I was worried about. When Marshall lines up as a near flanker in a trips set, he always blocks a lineman on the inside. If the Ravens knew about that tendency, then they knew it was a running play to the left.)
Play 10: Playcall doesn’t have a blocker to account for Reed. (this was the blown up screen with Knowshon’s fumble.)
Play 13: Missed edge blocks. (This was a sweep play that Clady and Hamilton both failed to get the edge sealed on)
Play 14: Dropped pass. (marshall)
Play 16: Bad protection call by Orton. (he recognized and pointed out the first blitzer, but the second blitzer creamed him through the B gap. Hamilton picked up the first blocker and Clady was already 1 on 1, so the RB should have been kept in to block, but he was allowed to release into a route).
Play 17: Missed block. (This was a screen, with Clady riding the LB out of the play. Clady fell down and the LB made the tackle).
Play 18: Missed block. (Hamilton falls forward expecting a power rush from 97, who delays and then runs around the toppling Hamilton. 97s pressure forces a quick throw that is tipped)
Play 19: Missed block: (Weigmann misses a block on a screen against LB 59, Ellerbe, who makes the play)
Play 27: Missed Block on bad line call. (Hamilton whiffs on 95 in the B gap. The protection should have slid one gap to the left, with Weigmann chipping 95 into Hamilton’s block. As it was, Weigmann had no one to block, and 95 shot the outside edge of the gap, about 3 feet outside of Hamilton.)
Play 29: Pressure forces quick throw. (Not a terrible play, but Raven’s pressure is steadily collapsing the pocket more and more. On this play Hamilton is driven into the pocket quickly. he holds, but the pressure forces a quick throw that is too short for a 1st.
Play 43: Missed blocks. (Basic loss of control all along the line of scrimmage as the Ravens blast the Oline back. No one failure stands out.)
Play 44: Dropped Pass. (Marshall with Ray Lewis closing)
Play 45: Missed blitz pickup. (linemen all accounted for, extra blitzer forces quick throw short of first down again.)
Play 46: Dropped Pass. (Gaffney near the sideline. Touch catch, but no room for error at this point)
Play 50: Dropped Pass (Royal, Lewis pass interference no-call)
Note that there are two large lulls in the bad plays, whcih represent the two good drives bracketing halftime. Note also how many bad plays revolved around the Raven’s defense getting around Denver’s blocks… That is definitely a function of intensity, and some of scheming. The players were just getting beat one on one, whether it was WR blocks, TE blocks, RB blocks, or linemen blocks.
Also, Hamilton had his share of goofs, but he wasn’t alone. Singling him out isn’t a worthwhile exercise, and I don’t think he is the achilles heel he is being made out to be.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 3, 2009 4:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
My problem with Hamilton is the run game...
But the more I look at the running game scheme the more I feel like this is the only part of our play where McD and Co are NOT playing the players to their strengths.
Is it just a coincidence that Benny is looking shaky because he is not a fit for the POWER running game that McCoy and McD crave? Moreno is not a fit either.
Check this out as a theory: McD is wanting a run game like Carolina’s (thus the reason for McCoy) but look at our personnel.
The lightest guy on the O line for Carolina is 296lbs…..and they have a couple of 330lb bruisers. This compares to guys like Hamilton at 290lbs and Weigmann at 280…they are not built for a power run game….Polumbus and Kuper come in just over 300lbs…..these guys are zone guys.
Same with our running backs….Moreno is 5’11 and Buck 6’0 and they come in around 210 and 220 respectively. Compare that against Deangelo Williams, Johnathon Stewart and Tyrell Sutton that are all under 5’10 yet tip the scales at 220, 235 and 215….they are POWER running backs.
McD has preached putting the players in schemes and positions to succeed…..I am plaeding with him and McCoy…
PLEASE GO BACK TO THE ZONE BLOCKING THAT SCHEME THAT IS A FIT FOR ALL THESE PLAYERS…
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
patience Ben
there is more than enough zoneblock in this scheme, and the great thing is, the more effective it might be against and opponent, the more likely we are to use it against them. In the meantime, take heart in knowing that when we face a team that can dominate against a zoneblock, that we don’t have to run it, we can run something else that is in our scheme…
As to height, weight etc… I don’t think you are giving the players enough credit. These are tough, smart plyers who can play football, whether it is zoneblocking or pulling and trapping. I wouldn’t argue that certain somatotypes are more typical of one scheme than the other, but I also wouldn’t argue that any of our guys aren’t up to the task. And Moreno fits that description as well…he can run in whatever scheme gives him the best chance to win in a particular matchup, which is part of what makes him so special.
I don’t think it is accurate to say that McD wants a running game like Carolina’s because I don’t think McD would ever think of the running game like that, as an entity seperate from the rest of the offense. Remember Bear and Doug’s 3 part article during the offseason, which described many likely aspects of what would be Denver’s offense? They described something that is very similar to what we are now seeing, and once the player’s execution in the early game gets consistent, I think we will see the same early game success that they described from our offense.
I think right now that our offense is simply still unfriendly to the quarterback, despite how well Orton is progressing. What he sees and the line calls he makes are so important, that I don’t think we are quite seeing the offense at peak efficiency. Let’s revisit the subject after week 10 or so, which historically seems to be a benchmark of sorts for the QB in McDs system, and see what issues continue to plague the offense. In the meantime, lets just call it how we see it: when a player doesn’t make a block, it doesn’t matter what scheme it is, he didn’t do his job, and that is our biggest problem on offense right now…everyone getting their job done consistently.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 3, 2009 6:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks mate...we will see....
I hope you are correct. I have my doubts, but hope I am wrong for sure…..thanks for the great posts!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Appreciate you writing down what I was thinking.
Too brain dead to translate it into words. Great analysis styg.
My main problem with the screen game
was that it seemed to me that Baltimore was so prepared to stop screens that they weren’t going to work, no matter how well we executed them. Generally a screen is successful in a large part due to the element of surprise: the defense believes they are about to massively sack the QB, then suddenly, the ball is gone. The blockers are out ahead of the runner, and generally the defenders that are near the ball are outnumbered by the blockers, and usually these defenders are “reactive” instead of “active”. It is much easier to block a man trying to recover on a play than it is to block Ed Reed who is thinking screen from the get go and is tearing in on a bee-line.
It just seemed their defense was never taken off guard by the screen, and that is when the screen is succesful: the blockers are hitting multiple people who are reacting, and the runner is letting these blocks develop to slowly move down field. He is generally caught from behind (albiet 10 or more yards down field) by a LB or lineman who initially thought he could sack the QB and is now pursuing. IMO when this isn’t the case, it’s time to ditch the screens and I think the right call in this game was to keep running the ball. I agree that screen play is essentially running game, but our actual running plays were gaining well in the first half (4.3 YPC) so I think we should have gone to more runs, especially off end where they were working well: by my count, we made 34 yards from 7 runs off end (4.9 YPC).
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
appreciate the breakdown, Styg! Rec'd
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by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 3, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
Ridiculously detailed analysis!
Thanks for that… My question then is, why not run any draws or slants? There are other ways of mitigating a blitz. Also, if we were getting pressured up the middle, why not run some two back shotgun sets to help pick up the blitz? That’s what confused me— we obviously knew that the Ravens would blitz heavily, and that’s why the screen play was the key play, but why not adjust to other methods of dealing with the blitz?
by legendarywalton on Nov 3, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
I'm glad someone else
noticed he constant holding. Thomas and Holliday were also obviously held on plays that it appeared they could have sacked Flacco (though you never know, there were several plays we SHOULD have sacked him and he made positive yardage). Kind of infuriating. Maybe we should have tried it too.
In regards to the screen play, I don’t know why the adjustment wasn’t made earlier. From the first screen on it was quite obvious that Baltimore spent A LOT (somewhere near the whole bye week) diagnosing and stopping screen plays, because they blew up just about every play, including one for a fumble. Orton had negative yardage for some time due to the screens failing, and at half had only 35 yards. At the half, we had 4.3 yards per running play and only 2.33 yards per passing play (10/15 completions). We only ran 12 times in the first half. With the success we had running it is fairly inexcusable to not keep establishing the run game. What have we got to lose? The first half drives were 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, and 10 plays long, all ending in punts except the fumble. Could we really have done any worse than that had we tried running the ball? IMO you’ve got to take the physical Ravens and punch them with the running game, with key plays to their weak corners once the safeties and LBs are trying to stop the run and not so keyed on blowing up your screen game.
Berger was terrible. Of 8 punts, none were really in danger of going in the end zone except the punt at the end of the half. Without worrying about the touchback, even the worst punter should be able to gross 40 yards per punt. Berger did 38.4 with a net 36.3, which puts him a whole .7 yards above Kern’s net for the season. And that would be less than Kern’s career net. Small sample size though, I’m willing to give Berger one more game to show he shouldn’t be immediately cut.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Couldn't have said it better.
The gameplan was totally flawed, and I’m OK with that in the first half. For all the “phyiscality” McD wanted to display, he took a completely opposite approach to the offensive game plan— totally finesse based. Keep running the ball!
I had total faith that we’d diagnose the problem and come back strong. Unfortunately the Kickoff return forced us to continue throwing the ball, and honestly, I think McD either panicked or saw something that wasn’t there. If nothing else, you need to give your D some rest. If we finish off one drive for 4 or 5 mins by just running the ball, the final score is somewhere in the neighborhood of 16-10, not the blowout that it appeared to be. Poor, poor defense.
by legendarywalton on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
QB Rating versus the Blitz
Does anyone know of a stats site that can give you QB rating versus a rush of 5+? Peyton Manning makes his living off of it, and as a result, no one blitzes him. It’s a way of making a defense one dimensional, and that’s why they’re such a consistent offensive team.
My question is… How is Orton fairing against the blitz? Anecdotally, he looked flustered, and unable to stand tall and deliver crisp passes to the hot reads. Despite how bad your OL is playing, he should still be able to respond to a team that blitzes him nearly every down.
BTW, Orton wasn’t the problem on Sunday. It was the OL and the scheme. So no, I’m not hating on him again!
by legendarywalton on Nov 3, 2009 12:14 PM MST reply actions
And I second 3p
I’ve never seen an NFL ref as consistently bad as Jeff Triplette. I’m flabbergasted that this guy keeps his job and shudder every time I see him get assigned to a Bronco game. There simply has to be better out there.
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I agree, the punting was poor
I was hoping Berger would give us a step in the field position game but he failed to deliver every time,after he initial punt, my heart was in my mouth every time he kicked. I’m not putting the L on his head but I fail to see how he improved the squad on this performance
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by Orange & Blue Badger on Nov 3, 2009 1:39 PM MST reply actions
Here is a question about our punting unit...
After the pressure brought on the first punt, why didn’t we try to draw the Raven offsides on punts? Was it because our unit isn’t well coached enough to tackle a kick returner, let alone execute a unique situational play??
I think it is!!
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Not sure if there is a cadence on a punt
Pretty sure the upback just waves his hand and the Long Snapper lets go
Ref's need to watch more game film
I was continuously flabbergasted at the lack of holding calls on Doom. I saw him at least three times on an outsude rush clearly beat his blocker around the corner, only to see him jarringly pulled back in front of the blocker. This is physically impossible without holding. What is the incentive to quit holding like that? Nothing. What if the refs spend 30 minutes a week watching some game film (prepared by someone in the officials office to keep it neutral)? Maybe they already do something like this. But it would be a great chance for the refs to catch next time what they missed last time. Possibly even some scouting footage of their upcoming game’s participants, for what has been missed previously. I always appreciate the refs, it is a thankless job they they do right far more often than they do wrong, and for no glory whatsoever and a tiny paycheck. Perhaps they already do something like this, they do seem quite professional. Our defense played well as usual, but those 2-3 big second half sacks we have been getting all year were prevented by holding in my opinion. A few drive stoppers/forced fumbles would have put the Broncos in a position to take a chance at the end.
Indescision is the key to flexibility
One play in particular springs to mind
Doom is rushing on the offensive left side, and the tackle (Gaither, I believe) basically has him in a head lock. Give Gaither ten more seconds and Doom might have had to tap out! I’m no world traveler, but where I come from that is offensive holding.
I figure if the pass rusher’s legs suddenly leap out in front of him like he’s been clothes-lined, then there is a likely hold in progress.
- Jason
Horton is WIN - HORVIL TIKI
Great post Ted!
I thought that our line had problems all day long. Our offense was out of rhythm, the play-calling wasn’t as good as it had been, and our starting field position was terrible.
On defense, I agree, at the end they just sort of wore down. I guess sometimes teams run into a QB that is good enough to avoid pressure on a consistent basis. We had plenty of times to sack Flacco, but he used his “Roethlisberger instincts” to get the ball to one of his receivers. I also noticed that our guys over-pursued a lot. That kind of concerns me. Nevertheless, I thought the defense did okay up until the very end.
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One play really bothered me yesterday
B Marsh on 3rd and 4 or less. I’m not sure if he knew Baltimore was offsides or not, but he catches the ball and tries to make a double spin move.
If he just drives his shoulder into the DB he gets 6 or 7 yards, instead he gets stuffed for 3 and without the penalty its not a a 1st down.
I’d love to believe he saw the flag, knew it was a free play and in turn, tried to make something big happen, but I think the coaching needs to make him a 1 move after the catch WR during short yardage situations.
was that the ed reed offsides play? If so, that was a free play inside the ten yard line. Still, I agree with you. Marshall needs to lay some wood with that big body of his.
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Yes, it was that play...
When that play happened I yelled “MARSHALL!!! YOUR 6’5”!!! Just FALL FORWARD and you HAVE THE FIRST!!!"
Maybe he was auditioning for a spot in the next season of Dancing with the stars?
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by EastCoastBronco on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 PM MST up reply actions

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