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The Dude Abides...The Stats That Don't Lie, Week 8

"Sure, The Stats That Don't Lie could have stayed in the past. They could have even been king. But in their own way, they ARE king. Hail to the king, baby."

--Bruce Campbell

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Week 8 was Halloween weekend in the NFL.  There were some tricks (more teams rolling out The Wildcat), there were some treats (Brett Favre's saccharine-laced, I love Green Bay speech), but 8 week will be best known for the number of teams that got carved up like pumpkins.

Including your Denver Broncos.  In what appeared to be the most ghoulish of all acts, Denver dressed up like the Oakland Raiders and scared its fans by losing all of the important statistical battles.

Star-divide

Welcome to The Stats That Don't Lie for Week 8.   Your headless horseman of stats.  The razor blade in your statistical candy apple.   These are the stats that keep Freddy Krueger up all night.  Again, they are: Turnovers, Field Position, Time of Possession, and 3rd Down Efficiency.

As always, for those that need a primer, or want to look at the stats from previous weeks, just click on the following links (Raiders fans, just stare at the screen really, really hard):

As you can imagine, the Broncos took a nosedive after this week in their rankings.

WEEK 7 - Broncos' Rankings

Average Turnovers/Game:  1st (tied with Green Bay) 

Average Starting Field Position: 23rd

Average Time of Possession: 9th 

Average 3rd Down Efficiency: 12th

WEEK 8 - Broncos' Rankings

Average Turnovers/Game:  2nd (tied with New England and Indianapolis) 

Average Starting Field Position: 26th

Average Time of Possession: 13th 

Average 3rd Down Efficiency: 19th

These rankings reveal a dangerous game Denver continues to play.  On average, they are starting drives on the 26.92-yard line, so they are not helping themselves (or Kyle Orton) with a short field.   You saw this again against the Ravens on Sunday.  Denver's average starting field position was the 20.55-yard line.  For all of his juking and twists and spins, Eddie Royal would have done as well by simply letting the ball fly through the end zone.  In Eddie's defense, the return game was garbage.

Another disturbing trend is Denver's 3rd-down efficiency, which stands (avg. per game) at 37.18%, right at the league average.  If Denver is going to be an above-average team, its 3rd-down efficiency need to be above average.   Indianapolis stands at over 50% on 3rd downs and New Orleans is at 46.43%, in case you were wondering.  Both of these teams have Super Bowl aspirations.  If Denver has these same aspirations, they can begin with improving on 3rd down.

Others have pointed out the two-part problem in this.  One, Denver is getting less yards on 1st and 2nd downs, putting them in more difficult 3rd-and-long situations.   This is certainly the risk/reward you take when you pass on 1st down. Two, Denver is simply not converting the 3rd downs they should.  I'll leave it to you to decide if this is due to the transition from a zone-blocking scheme to a power-blocking scheme.  Lastly, it's clear from watching the game on Sunday; the Ravens were jumping almost every Level-2 route Denver was running.  I'm not joking when I say it was almost as if the Ravens had two weeks to study Denver's tendencies and routes...oh wait, they did.

On a positive note, Denver continues to do an excellent job of not turning the ball over, despite the Moreno fumble on Sunday.   Even Orton cannibals have to admit the preseason worry of Orton throwing pick after pick is not going to happen.

Through Week 8, here are the rankings of the 32 teams in the four statistical categories:   

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Notice how well-balanced teams like New England, Minnesota, and New Orleans are, ranking in single digits in all categories (except New Orleans in turnovers).  It should not be a surprise that these three teams are early favorites to go all the way. 

Before getting into the Week 8 numbers, a few of the games are of note.  Of course, the Broncos-Ravens game is a classic statistical domination and a good example of what happens when you get beat in all four of these categories.  The Ravens' average starting field position in the game was the 40-yard line (with the return for TD, the 35 without).  You simply can't give anyone in this league that kind of field position and expect to win (perhaps the Raiders, but that's it).   Also, Baltimore was a massive 61% on 3rd downs.  Throw in the additional turnover, and it became a sackful of tainted candy for the Broncos.

Another game of note and interest was the Minnesota/Green Bay game, and not just for the obvious Favre homecoming.   Minnesota's average starting field position in the game was their own 46.33-yard line.  That's how you overcome two turnovers.  Field position just kills teams, whether they are at home or not.

Lastly, our lives would not be complete without talking about the Bears.  Cutler threw another red-zone pick in the game against Cleveland, but when the other team is 9% on 3rd downs and you start your drives (on average) at the 40-yard line, you'll do just fine in the NFL.  If only Jeff George had had such luck (draw your own conclusions).

Here are the Week 8 summaries:

2-Turnover Rule  (Turn it over more than once and you're going down, sucka!)

  • 5 teams had 0 turnovers.  4 won (80%)

  • 8 teams had 1 turnover.  4 won (50%)

  • 7 teams had 2 turnovers.  Only 3 won (42%)

  • 3 teams had 3 turnovers.  1 won (33%%)

  • 1 team had 4 turnovers.  None won (0%)

  • 2 teams had 5+ turnovers.  None won (0%)

Week 8 Game Summaries:

  • The team that won the turnover battle  won 9 of 13 games played (69%).

  • In the previous category, remove the ties and this changes to 54%

  • The team that won the time of possession battle won 9 of the 13 games played (69%).

  • The team that had better third down efficiency won 10 of the 13 games played (77%).

  • The team that had better average starting field position won 9 of the 13 games played (69%).

  • There were  4 games this week in which a team won all four categories.  In 4 of the 4, the same team won on the scoreboard (100%).  For the season, this stat is 41 out of 42 games.

  • The winning teams this week averaged 1.31 turnovers, 32:28  in time of possession, 48.05% on 3rd downs, and their average starting field position was the 33.60 yard line.

Top 5 in Week 8:

  • Top 5 in giveaways: 5 tied with 0

  • Top 5 in time of possession: 1.TEN    2.HOU   3.CHI   4.NYG     5.DAL 

  • Top 5 in 3rd downs: 1.SD    2.BAL    3.NO    4.PHI   5.DAL/HOU (tied)   

  • Top 5 in avg. starting field position: 1.MIN    2.PHI    3.BAL    4.CHI    5.GB

Running Totals, Season (through 8 weeks):

  • 116 games have been played this season

  • 83.62% were won by the team with less turnovers (counting ties as wins)

  • 68.97% with a better time of possession

  • 68.10% by the team who won on 3rd down

  • 72.41% by the team that won the field position battle.

8-week Averages for Benchmarking This Week's Games:  

  • 8-week running average/game, turnovers (all teams): 1.70

  • 8-week running average/game, time of possession (all teams): 30:12 (thanks to numerous OT games)

  • 8-week running average/game, 3rd down efficiency (all teams): 37.13%

  • 8-week running average, starting field position (all teams) 29.41 yard line

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    Here are the individual game stats from Week 8:4074780544_57dfec0c7a_medium

    Looking ahead to Pittsburgh, here is how the two teams stack up in the four statistical categories (keeping in mind these are averages/game):

    Team                    Turnovers/Game          Time of Possession          Field Position          3rd Down Efficiency

    Denver                  .86                                    30:51                                    26.96                         37.18%

    Pittsburgh             2.00                                   32:42                                     28.10                        43.21%

    Given the significant correlation between the turnover battle and winning, you have to like Denver in this game. Pittsburgh just gives it up (on average) way too much.  Add in the fact that the home team wins about 60% of the time generally, this one certainly bodes well for Kyle (that's Mr. Orton if you're nasty) and the Hoodie.  

    Go Broncos!!!

    Last Stat:  68.5% (percentage chance that Brian Dawkins can kill a Raiders fan just by staring at IT)

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    The content on this site keeps getting better and better...

    Nice work Lebowski— er TJ— and congrats on the staff promotion. It proves once again that John knows what he’s doing around here.

    by ButteBronco on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Wait, man. I'm not Lebowski, You're Lebowski. I'm the Dude man, so that's what you call me.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Hey Butte

    I can tell you John made me an “offer I couldn’t refuse:”

    1) Woody Paige worry doll
    2) Higher writing standards and less typos
    3) Some neckbeard shavings from Kyle Orton
    4) His word Romo would stop spitting in my face
    5) A chance to arm wrestle Dumervil
    6) A Marcus Nash Jersey
    7) Dale Carter’s last practice water bottle
    8) A gift certificate to IHop (sans Daryl Gardener)
    9) Maurice Clarett’s email address
    10) A chance to interact with MHR members

    I threw out 2 and 10 and really slobbered on number 7,8,9 ;-)

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    WOW, what a deal.

    I bet you had to really twist his arm for him to throw in that gift certificate to IHOP. Was it a 25 dollar gift certificate??? That’s a lot of pancakes, dude.

    Just don’t spill pancake syrup on your laptop when you’re writing the stats that don’t lie from the booth by the window.

    If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

    by kentuckybronco on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Now I have to give you even more respect.

    You must not be a golfer.

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

    by Ponderosa on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    OMFGZORZ

    Lebow has a name?!!!!!

    CONGRATS TJ!!!! and always a great post as usual

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Nov 4, 2009 11:15 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Oh and Don't ever stop

    Given us some Stats that don’t lie Sugar, baby!!

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Regarding Denver's stats from the Baltimore game

    You found The Stats That Don’t Lie beautiful, once.
    Honey, The Stats That Don’t Lie got real ugly.

    "Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

    by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 4, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    ROFL

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Nov 4, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    CK!!!!

    You have me rolling now in my meeting at work. Someone just asked me, “What are you laughing about?” I simply said, “pirates.” And then, “Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart,” or “Come Get Some.”

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    hahahaa

    “Gimme back my Stats That Don’t Lie! GIMME BACK MY STATS THAT DON”T LIE!"

    Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

    "That's MR.Styg..."

    by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Well hello Mr. Fancypants!!!

    Thanks DB. I am just the Dude. So that’s what you call me!

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    and I will continue to do so

    El Duderino!!

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Good stuff man.

    It may be a scotoma of mine, but I didn’t see the Den-Bal game anywhere in your post…though there were a few spots that seemed to be blurry – is that a new kind of font?

    ;-)

    Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

    The guy formerly known as ZAPPA

    by Tim Lynch on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Zappa

    They simply should have had Ray Lewis and Brian Dawkins meet at mid field, back to back, then turn and run into each other. The guy who woke up first would have had their team declared the winner.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Just love this stuff Dude.

    I am way beyond concerned about our starting field position. Royal just doesn’t seem to take the ball up the field with conviction and the blocking for him (with one game exception in SD) has been mediocre. When you add average 3rd down conversion to this it spells trouble to me. The special teams just have to get a lot better the rest of the season.

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

    by Ponderosa on Nov 4, 2009 11:35 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Ponderosa

    It’s troubling when you look at the other 5-2, 6-1, or 7-0 teams and they more balanced in these categories. Lucky we have this D. But how many games are we going to rely on them to generate our scoring opportunities?

    What is your answer at returner?

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Ponderosa

    The other top teams appear much more balanced, this is clear. Look at NO, Min, NE, etc.

    What is the answer at Returner?? Or The Kick Return team?

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Methinks that Preifer

    deserves a closer looksee…

    Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

    "That's MR.Styg..."

    by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Gosh, I'm not really sure I know the answer.

    How about trying Peyton Hillis again. Even though he fumbled once I think that can be corrected in kick offs. I can’t recall if Gaffney has ever returned punts or kickoffs, but he might be an alternative.

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

    by Ponderosa on Nov 4, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    why not mckinley or smith?

    a KR needs to accelerate fast and be decisive and generally make small changes in direction. royal starts out sloooowly as if he’s studying the coverage, and he dances too much.

    get mckinley out there getting game experience. let him get hit. let him get used to the lights and the pressure.

    i’m generally not a fan of using an offensive starter on returns. too valuable and too physically demanding right before he’s taking the field on offense.

    by ssc on Nov 4, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

    I like it!

    Let’s give them a chance. Couldn’t really be much worse could it?

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

    by Ponderosa on Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Eddie might even

     get a spark in the passing game… Historically players who do both tend to drop in production in one or the other

    Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

    "That's MR.Styg..."

    by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Who are you....

    And what have you done with Lebowski??? Just kiddin bro. Nice work as always. One of my must read segments of the week.

    by T.Dot_Bronco on Nov 4, 2009 11:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Wait, man. You're Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me....

    Thanks t.dot . Now, let’s bowl, Dude.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    61% on 3rd Down ?!?!?!

    I knew it was bad, but sheesh…

    Anyway, great post as always. I love me some stats, and I love me some Excel, so gracias for getting me my fix.

    Field position. It seems like this has been an issue for the Broncos for a LONG time now, and it looks to be one of the areas that McD might have some trouble fixing near term. My belief has always been that poor special teams likely has much to do with poor overall drafting. We’ve had trouble retaining the guys we’ve drafted over the last five years or so (because they weren’t that good),and it shows in this phase. You must find guys that can contribute on special teams while you groom them to start. That’s why seeing guys like McBath, Bruton, and Larsen shred it up on the coverage units warms my heart. These are guys that will possibly be good players on defense when their time comes, but they’re contributing RIGHT NOW on ST.

    Out of all of the new coaching hires, Priefer was the one that had me a bit confused. KC wasn’t fantastic or even very good on ST under his watch, and that appears to be the case for the present here. IMO, we need ST to be considered of equal importance as the other two phases. Perhaps the argument could be made that it’s even more important, given the potential for disaster or exultation on a ONE play basis. Regardless, it needs attention, and soon.

    BTW, you’ll always be the Dude to me, bro! Congrats on a well-earned promotion!

    - Jason

    I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

    by jubei on Nov 4, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    We have the same issues that KC did

    and nearly identical rankings in punting, kick returns, punt returns and kick coverage.

    Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

    "That's MR.Styg..."

    by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2009 12:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    "Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

    by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 4, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Jubei, first, thanks!!!!

    Regarding your points, they are spot one.

    There have been several articles about how much ST contributes to the overall strategy. Let me grab a few of them shortly for you. They are interesting.

    Berger is a smaller part of a bigger issue. I’m going to be focusing punting stats later in the week, but let me get you the articles first.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    That would be fantastic, Dude!

    I’m sure I’m not the only one here that could use some edification on the subject of special teams.

    Agreed regarding Berger. I was part of the mob brandishing torches and pitchforks after the game, but after some time to reflect, I think coaching is the biggest issue right now in this phase of the game.

    Slower windup by the punter + poor blocking and missed assignments by the line + great special teams play by BAL = close calls on punts.

    The point being, Berger is one term in the governing equation, so to speak, and definitely not the sole factor.

    I just find it amazing the extent with which the return team can impede the offense, and the coverage team, the defense. One of the big reasons I love football is the interrelation between the three phases. A thing of beauty when they’re cohesive, but cringe-worthy when they aren’t.

    Perhaps it’s time for McD to become more involved in the special teams game. Priefer looks to need some oversight. Also, I’d love to see Smith and K-Mac get another shot at returning kicks. Eddie isn’t cutting it, and the SD game may be more of an outlier, rather than the norm. I’d rather not see him get injured in the process of being ineffective.

    Thanks again in advance for the links!

    - Jason

    I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

    by jubei on Nov 4, 2009 1:06 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

    I think you're on to something here.

    See ssc comment above.

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

    by Ponderosa on Nov 4, 2009 5:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Jubei

    There is a section on here about Special Teams. Read that and also read the article on field position being fluid. Fascinating.

    You will be immediately addicted to this page:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/FO-basics

    Remember, there is debate on the conclusions to all of these articles. For example, FO became famous with their controversial article about passing to set up the run, instead of the conventional wisdom.

    I particularly like their article on kickers (it will change your view of Matt Prater) and running backs that carry the ball over 370 times in a season.

    This page is highly addictive for stats guys.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 5:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Much obliged, hombre.

    Are the MHR articles you’re referring to contained in the MHRU section? I just did a quick run-through and saw that there were something like 40+ pages of content there. Time to use the search function. Frankly, I should start going through all of those articles anyway and get in on some of HT’s wisdom.

    I am somewhat familiar with FO. I always liked the approach that they used for their DVOA ranking scheme. I may not always agree with why they do certain things, but I’m always impressed with how they use the numbers to support their findings.

    It’s funny, but until I started checking out MHR, I thought I had a pretty good football knowledge base. Only now do I know the depths of my ignorance!

    My only issue at this point is finding the time to break down film. Between the family, the job and school it’s tough to make it happen. Someday, perhaps.

    Thanks again, bro!

    - Jason

    I gather speed by you f***ing with me - EV

    by jubei on Nov 4, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    This is good stuff except ...

    The comment that our Broncos were dressed up like the Raiders caused me to lose my lunch.

    by Hank44 on Nov 4, 2009 11:39 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Thanks Hank! Every day is Halloween if you are Raider fan

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Congrats on the promotion dude!

    Those that cant coach, compete!
    Failing to plan is planning to fail.
    All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
    "Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
    Calijoefornia.

    by boydy2669 on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Boydy, Thanks man! You are one of the reasons why I wanted to do this. MHR members are awesome.

    And they tend to be better looking and score higher on IQ tests.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    MHR: A community of Broncos Fans where

    all the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average

    "Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

    by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 4, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Nice work TJ "Dude"

    I’ll rec anything that starts with an Army of Darkness quote.

    by bowma101 on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Clatto Verata Nicto. :-)

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    umm.....

    Clatta….Verata….Necktie?

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Nov 4, 2009 11:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    That verse should unleash the Stats That Don't Lie

    “Why the hell would we want to do that??”

    Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

    "That's MR.Styg..."

    by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    bowma, I can't tell you how glad I am that others are as warped as I am...

    Come Get Some

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 5:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Good, Bad...

    Your the guy with the Stats That Don’t Lie!

    "Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

    by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 4, 2009 7:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Dude, I think we could get Harris another toe and he could play on monday.

    You want a toe? I could get you a toe. Believe me. There are ways, dude. You don’t wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I could get you a toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon, with nail polish.

    Dude, are you still the dude?

    Great post, as always. Rec’d………as always.

    If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

    by kentuckybronco on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Wait, man. I'm not Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me.

    KB. You can call me anything you want, just don’t call me Al Davis!

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 12:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Fair enough, dude.

    I wouldn’t even call my worst enemy, Al Davis. Well, actually I would. My worst enemy IS Al Davis.

    If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

    by kentuckybronco on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    I'm afraid I just can't take you seriously with the name TJ

    You commanded much more respect as Lebowski, or the Dude, and now you’ve gone and thrown it all away. And all for what? A couple of pancakes? Some hair clippings? You’re a sell out, man. A Sell Out!!

    j/k

    You’re awesome by whatever name you go by. Thanks for another edition of the Stats that don’t lie, I really appreciate it. I sure hope McD reads this stuff and comes up with a plan to solve third down percentage and the field position game. Its worrisome.

    This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
    Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

    by solace on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Does the dude still abide if he goes by TJ???

    That is a million dollar question. That and who peed on the rug?

    If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

    by kentuckybronco on Nov 4, 2009 2:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    The craps gotta stop right now!

    The field position that is. If it doesn’t there will be heads rolling, I guarantee! Great job “DUDE”.

    by bfree2bronc on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Bfree

    1) Mckinley?
    2) Royal?
    3) HIllis?
    4) Other?

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Thanks Dude.

    Busy week over here so not a lot to add. Very happy, though, to see your promotion to Asst. Head Coach. I wondered how long that would take to happen. You add a lot.

    I sure would like to seem some action taken to improve special teams. I’m not certain what that action looks like, but something is needed. And some help on the O-Line seems like it would help the 3rd down conversions. It would be great if Olsen could step in/up and provide some protection.

    Looking forward to a major rebound on Monday night!

    by NedBronco on Nov 4, 2009 1:27 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Thanks, Ned!

    Hopefully the bar won’t eat me…

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Congrats, I think

    I know how it is, volunteer work, you volunteer, and suddenly you have a full time job.

    Glad to see that you do count kick returns in the Field Po as 100. Makes sense.

    It would be really fun to see this kind of breakdown from the 1996-97 Broncos vs. Packers.

    It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

    by Trogdoor on Nov 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Trog

    Thanks for giving me the input on the TD on KO = 100 yards. It makes total sense.

    When you say Broncos vs. Pack, you looking for the full season? Don’t tempt me!!!

    I am jonesing to do it now.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Yep!

    That’s what I was saying. Ever since I was a young boy child, my favorite team was the Broncos, and my 2nd favorite team was the Packers. So that year was a dream come true.

    It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

    by Trogdoor on Nov 4, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    but akshuly

    if you really wanted another perspective on statistical analysis, you might have to throw out any outliers, or the high and low, and then do all that quartile crud I learned when I took statistics in college. But again, I think your stats are fine by me.

    It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

    by Trogdoor on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    What? El Duderino is really TJ Johnson

    It’s hard for me to get used to these real names. I had put you guys up on some godlike abstract Olympian pedestal; turns out you are real people… well, I wish you good luck with that.

    Back to our Broncos – I thought maybe McD was being a little harsh dressing down Priefer on the sidelines a few games ago, but maybe Priefer is deficient in preparing the special teams. My question is this – what did the special teams do differently to set up the two touchdown runbacks against the Chargers? – or was it bad coverage by the other team and not really our superior blocking schemes?

    When asked about the ST problem McD implied that is was lack of speed and urgency. I don’t know . Anything you have to say about special teams would be appreciated. rec’d and congrats with your new status here at MHR.

    Was ain't Is.

    by oncobronco on Nov 4, 2009 2:50 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    First, thanks, man

    I think McD also talked about the fact that he keeps so many WRs and LBs on the roster, this affects special teams. The instinct is to say, great, a ST comprised of many WRs and LBs is great, but he did not mean it this way.

    Regarding the differences, I love MHR, because it gives me great ideas for research. I will look at that tape again of those two plays and see what the differences were.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    In a world, where one man....

    Unveils the truth about the stats that don’t lie… Against all odds – will liberate everyone who hates stats….

    Or something…. I can’t type in that guy’s voice, so it might not come across as it played out in my head. ( ;

    Another great edition, thanks Dude – and Congrats!!! Now we can really give you a hard time if we don’t hear from you for a while LoL!!! (though I don’t see that happening)

    - Much appreciated, as always.

    First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot : )

    by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    that's why

    you and me, we will just be pjbgf and trog.

    It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

    by Trogdoor on Nov 4, 2009 8:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    and some other

    burninating dragon type dude stole Trogdor, so I had to go with the double oo.

    It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. -- Thomas Sowell

    by Trogdoor on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Hey man, You are more than a trog to me, buddy.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 5, 2009 5:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    IMO 3rd down efficiency is overrated. You can still get it done on 1st and 2nd or even 4th down!!!

    by LiloFue on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Agreed, man. You just gave me another research project!!!

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Thanks BS

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 5, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Congrats Lebowski!

    A well deserved promotion. You’ve done a good job of providing stats that truly define good teams and separate them from the bad ones. Do you think McD uses your stats to prepare the team?

    Take it from me…your stats have been the insecticide to my ant problem.

    "All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

    by Horsepower on Nov 5, 2009 6:58 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    HP

    Since McD was a math major (and I’ve also read he studies stats a lot), I am sure he has people who are charting all of this stuff. I would be very surprised if he also doesn’t have someone charting his tendencies (for example, how many bubble screens have we run on 2nd and 7,8, or 9) . Also, if you hear interviews with him, he “gets” the value of Special Teams and field position better than a lot of people.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 5, 2009 5:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Probably so

    His immediate concern with the 2009 Broncos needs to be 3rd down conversion %.

    If that doesn’t go up, especially in the first half of games, we will continue to:
    1. Start slow
    2. Have to come back against our opponents in the second half
    3. Will see more ~35 yard punts from Berger, and
    4. Give the opposition the ball on their ~40 yard line.

    Dude, your stats are the Nitrogen to our atmosphere. The bowl of cereal to our milk. The pistons to our engines’ cylinders. Sorry, I can’t resist.

    "All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

    by Horsepower on Nov 5, 2009 10:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    TJ, The Dude, Lebowski....

    I’m only slightly confused. Another great ‘Stats’ my friend and congrats to becoming a regular front pager……….Question. Have you looked at how or maybe if the returns for TD skew the field position stat?

    by bchiper on Nov 5, 2009 8:29 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

    Bchiper

    They will skew them slightly, to be sure, 4 or 5 yards during one game as with the Ravens. Without the TD, the Ravens started on the 35 yard line. With the TD, it was pushed up to the 40.

    I think it’s accurate, however. Imagine, for example, if a guy was tackled twice at the 1 yard line. The NFL would could log that as 99,99. If you got those two extra yards, they would not log it as a drive. This was my thinking in doing it this way.

    One can also make an argument about when a team takes a knee. You could say this skews the data as well and that one should take it out. Good question.

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 5, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Right on Dude

    Just don’t change the Rug.

    Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

    by KaptainKirk on Nov 5, 2009 1:24 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

    the dude justed wanted his rug back

    "Wait, let me explain something to you...I'm the Dude. So, that's what you call me. You know, that, or 'His Dudeness,' or 'Duder,' or 'El Duderino,' if you're not into the whole brevity thing."

    by TJ Johnson on Nov 5, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

    Are you kidding Kaptain?

    Do you know what he went through to get it? LoL

    First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot : )

    by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 5, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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