We simply cannot look at historical stats when looking at this year’s team.

remains to be seen IMHO. But, during the Shannahan years of the past decade by midseason the league in general figured out the Shannahan offense and began shutting it down. 2005 is the exception not the rule on that. Most years the Defense couldn’t keep us in most of the games we lost. That and the conditioning of the current team seems to be much better that what it was with Shannahan and that will play a key role in how the Broncos fair down the road.
And really who cares what Crennel, Weiss and Mangini are doing anyway, different men in different situations period.

McD and other “Patriot’s assistants”. Each is their own man, and each makes their own history. None of them are dependent for success or failure on anything other than themselves and the scheme they have learned. If they had all succeeded, it would say othing about McDs potential. The scheme itself should not be in question, as it works well for the Pats. It is up to each of those who have been apprenticed in it to amend the lessons learned to fit his own strengths, weaknesses, and character in a manner to assure success for their team.

As to it being early in the process, of course it is. I like what I see so far. I would be surprised if we “fade”, although the record may not look as shiny over the next several weeks. I do consider it possible we will struggle with the stronger teams on the schedule, but doubt we will fall the the weaker ones. As the process of our make-over is still early, this is all I ask…… I was impressed with the personnel upgrades in the off-season and expect to be equally impressed with next year’s.

I am a life long Steelers fan. I post somewhat regularly at BTSC. I noticed a number of Denver fans showing up on that site and making bold, unsubstantiated predictions about this weeks game and the remainder of the season. I tend to find that a bit annoying.

I thought I’d reciprocate a bit, but try to base my post around some factual evidence and not solely on my opinion. The facts suggest that the Broncos have struggled on an annual basis. They also suggest that ex Patriots assistants tend to struggle after leaving that organization. Because of that, I’m going to adopt a wait and see approach with regards to this season’s Bronco’s team. After all, championships aren’t won in September and October. I think fans of both team’s should know that by now.

You are excited for a win and dissapointed for a loss. We have a lot to be excited about 6-1 is 6-1. If they fade down the stretch sure will be dissapointed but what’s the point of having a wait and see attitude. Just be excited for what they are right now and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts. I’m not going to “root scared” or cautiously because of past failures. But I don’t smack talk either.

Last year was last year… this year is a new team… seeking to establish it’s own legacy. I think he was right.

You can tie together historical events, when you have common contributing factors… such as the same Head Coach. The way Mike Shannahan developed his team and game plans had a consistent result toward the end of the season. You can certainly see that by looking at History.

But this team has a different coach, and a completely different philosophy… so you don’t have common contributing factors to compare.

Think of it this way…You can plant an apple tree in the ground, and year after year you will get apples. But if you plant an orange tree in that same ground, you can’t expect to get apples, just because “historically” you got apples from the tree in that ground. It really makes no sense.

Based on history, we knew what to expect from a Shannahan led Bronco’s team… history has proved that point.

However, with McDaniels, we have no History to base any kind of assumptions or expectations on, so to do so would be foolish.

If you find the link please post it. I’ll definitely read it.

The players change. Clearly there has been a bigger overhaul this off season than in most prior years. That still doesn’t prove anything. Maybe this team is better conditioned, better coached, better defensively and better overall than they have been in years past. Maybe not. There are still a lot of games on the schedule. You need to get it done down the stretch and in the playoffs before claiming you’ve turned the corner and all is right in Bronco Land. Does anybody seriously disagree with that statement?

Just a hard-core Steelers fan poking back at a rival. :D

not a troll. You are entitled to be a passionat fan. Understand, my argument was not if you are a troll. It is if you can compare previose years to a current year under a new coach? I just don’t think you can. Especialy when you have allot of new players. We will see.

I don’t know what is going on. I have hit the reply on every one of my posts but for some reason is does not seem to be working very well. My “Actually” post was in reply to “You’re not a troll”. My “Really” post was in reply to “Good point if” and “The Broncos are off to a great start” was in reply to “Whether McDaniels ends up being better…”

I have to get ready for work. I’ll check back later to see how many others I have offended with historical reality. ;)

I hope everybody has a great day. Seriously.

I’d be impressed if we go 5-5 down the stretch, given that we only have 9 games left. ;-p

The stats and facts I have presented are not “my” historical fact. They are real results that did occur during each and every year that I documented them. They are indeed historical fact and can not be disputed as much as you would all like them to go away. They are also the primary reason that the majority of the rest of the football world outside the Broncos fan base is not yet sold on this year’s team.

There have been some solid arguments and theories presented as to why the results of the past decade are no longer relevant. However, until Denver actually puts together a solid stretch run and makes some noise in the postseason, the doubters are not going to go away.

Let’s not try to spin my post into some wild figment of my imagination. The results are there, in black and white. I did not create them. Your franchise did.

I have interacted with the community just not on this site yet. I don’t follow the Broncos closely so I don’t show up to post about a team I know little about. Because PIT is playing DEN this week and because we had a bye week and because I had some time off from work and because there has been some legitimate trolling of the Steelers site, I decided to do some research.

Clearly your definition of trolling and mine differ. I would define a troll as somebody who showed up making outlandish comments based merely on opinion. A troll would contribute such incredible insight along the lines of “Donkeys suck!” “Our coach is better than your coach!” “Steelers rule!” blah, blah blah.

Clearly your opinion is that anybody who shows up during the week of a game is a troll no matter what they bring to the table. I haven’t belittled you personally because I find that type of innane behavior cowardly and childish. The only negative words I recall using in my orig post are that I thought the stretch run results of your team over the past decade has been pathetic and that a 23-29 record after the perennial quick starts was dismal. Do you disagree? Are you happy with the second half of the season performances your team has put up over the course of the last decade?

I guess I’m a troll because I dared to doubt the legitimacy of the mighty rebuilt broncos franchise until they, gasp, actually prove it on the playing field for an entire season.

Am looking forward to a difficult contest Monday night, and hope that both team’s fans can enjoy it.

The Broncos have had solid success against the Steelers. So have the Patriots. It doesn’t bother me to admit that we have struggled against either team. I do think your comparison would hold more water, though, if the Broncos had Brady at QB, Welker and Moss at WR and a team full of multiyear champions on your roster. Was there a trade that I missed?

As to your reach in comparing the Titans to the Oilers, let’s try to be reasonable. We’re talking about a gap of how many years between the Oilers and the Titans? Whereas I am comparing this years Broncos team to last years and all the years immediately preceding it.

I haven’t once stated the Steelers are superior to the Broncos. I haven’t made a prediction for this week’s upcoming game. I don’t know who will win. I hope PIT wins, but you are right. Historically PIT struggles with the Broncos. Of course PIT has also finished 39-8 (38-4 if you discount 2007) down the stretch over the past five seasons with an 8-2 postseason record. Whatever that means.