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Horse Tracks 11/9/09 - Chargers cut Broncos' AFC West lead to 1.5 games; Denver hosts Pittsburgh tonight on MNF; Chiefs release RB Larry Johnson

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Good Morning, MHR Friends! Well, Phil Rivers led his Dolts on quite an impressive game-winning drive last night, as San Diego injected themselves right back into the AFC West and Wild-Card races. But no matter what happens tonight, the Broncos will remain in the driver's seat. Next Sunday, the Broncos head to Washington and the Dolts host the Iggles, and the following week San Diego comes to Denver. You can see where I'm going with this... As for tonight, put on some orange, get yourself to the Big IF, and make some NOISE for our Broncos!!!!!!

DB - Matchup: Broncos vs. Steelers - Broncos TV

DPP - Broncos' Dumervil, Steelers' Harrison make short work of offenses - Lindsay Jones

DPP - Krieger: Broncos' little changes on offense could make big difference

DPP - Steelers' crackerjack crackback master Hines takes on Broncos - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Steelers' Clark far from only player to feel Denver's altitude - Mike Klis

DPP - Broncos defensive end Smith eager for start vs. Steelers - Mike Klis

CSG - Dawkins fills Broncos' leadership void, too - Frank Schwab

Star-divide

DB - A Toast To Two Football Visionaries - Chris Gentilviso
Celebrating Bob Howsam's decision to start an AFL team in Denver 50 years ago.

DB - A Closer Look: Pittsburgh Steelers - Gray Caldwell

CSG - Broncos anniversary: Top 10 free-agent signings - Frank Schwab

CSG - Pittsburgh at Denver: Three things to watch - Frank Schwab

AP - Elite Pass-Rushers Take Center-Stage Monday Night - Arnie Stapleton

KDVR - Broncos will need Steely resolve on Monday - Zubin Mehenti

ESPN Insider - Football Outsiders - Kyle Orton has taken some time, but early signs of success were there for the Broncos quarterback - Bill Barnwell

Steelers News

PPG - Steelers-Broncos rivalry endures - Gerry Dulac

PPG - Steelers' Starks now a money player - Ron Cook

PPG - Some of the top games in Steelers-Broncos feud: - Gerry Dulac

PPG - Game 8 Matchup: Steelers vs. Broncos - Gerry Dulac

PPG - Head to Head: Steelers LT Max Starks vs. Broncos LB Elvis Dumervil - Gerry Dulac

PTR - Steelers seek solution to kick-coverage woes - Scott Brown

BCT - Tomlin and McDaniels: First-class coaches - Mike Bires

BCT - Game 8: Five Questions - Mike Bires

BCT - Game 8: Key matchups - Mike Bires

NFL Results

NFL - Kansas City Chiefs 21 at Jacksonville Jaguars 24

NFL - San Diego Chargers 21 at New York Giants 20

NFL - Washington Redskins 17 at Atlanta Falcons 31

NFL - Arizona Cardinals 41 at Chicago Bears 21

NFL - Baltimore Ravens 7 at Cincinnati Bengals 17

NFL - Houston Texans 17 at Indianapolis Colts 20

NFL - Miami Dolphins 17 at New England Patriots 27

NFL - Green Bay Packers 28 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers 38

NFL - Carolina Panthers 20 at New Orleans Saints 30

NFL - Detroit Lions 20 at Seattle Seahawks 32

NFL - Tennessee Titans 34 at San Francisco 49ers 27

NFL - Dallas Cowboys 20 at Philadelphia Eagles 16

AFC West News

CBS - Rivers gets redemption while making Bolts look smart - Clark Judge

CBS - Week 9 Judgements: People keep sleeping on Chargers' Jackson - Clark Judge

SDUT - Rivers-to-Jackson a sweet comeback victory - Kevin Acee

SDUT - It's a tall task slowing Jackson - Tim Sullivan

KCS - Chiefs get going too late in 24-21 loss to Jaguars - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs’ defense gives up too many big plays - Adam Teicher

KCS - Chambers, Long catch on quickly for Chiefs - Adam Teicher

KCS - Charles, Smith run well in limited opportunities - Adam Teicher

KCS - Succop gives Chiefs a chance on field goals - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs buzz: Alleman starts at guard - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs blitz - Adam Teicher

NFL News

PFW - Mangini unlikely to survive Browns' disarray

FH - Mike Holmgren on Cleveland's Radar - Matt Snyder

FH - DeAngelo Hall Accuses Falcons Assistant Of Throwing Punches - Knox Bardeen

NFL - Dungy says Bills are a potential option for Vick's services

NFL - Redskins' Portis doesn't return after concussion against Falcons

NFL - Bengals' Henry breaks left forearm during win over Ravens

NFL - Colts QB Manning breaks 40,000-yard barrier in a decade

NFL Opinion

NFP - Sunday rewind: Week 9 - Matt Bowen

SI - Divison races take shape and more snap judgments - Don Banks
"Like Glenn Close's whack-job character in Fatal Attraction, never make the mistake of assuming the Chargers are dead, even if they look submerged in the bath tub."

SN - Week 9 Checkdown: Defining each division at midway point - Vinnie Iyer
"Here we go again. The Chargers' comeback win over the Giants brings them within 1 1/2 games of Denver. The pressure is on the Broncos to beat the Steelers tonight, especially with a San Diego rematch looming in two weeks."

Y! - Far from pretty, Colts rack up another win - Mike Silver

ESPN - Last Call: Wrapping up Week 9 - John Clayton

FH - Four 'Contenders' in Serious Trouble - Dave Goldberg

Y! - Giants officially have reason to panic - Charles Robinson

NFL - It wasn't easy, but Colts and Saints each improve to 8-0 - Bucky Brooks

FOX - Colts survive another close call - John Lynch

NFL - Bengals silencing the critics with each significant victory - Vic Carucci

CBS - Take off the blinders -- time to believe in Bengals - Gregg Doyel

Y! - Bengals CBs keep lines of communication open - Jason Cole

NFL - Texans among rest of pack still chasing the lead horse - Steve Wyche

SI - Dallas Cowboys make amends in Philadelphia - Don Banks

SN - In 'statement game,' Cowboys prove their toughness - Clifton Brown

FH - Older, Wiser Tony Romo Leads Key Win - Kevin Blackistone

FOX - Think you have Cards, Bears figured out? Think again - Alex Marvez

Mid-morning update

ESPN - Kansas City Chiefs release troubled running back Larry Johnson

 

SI - Patriots-Colts hype begins; 15 best NFL unrestricted free agents - Peter King
"I like the Ty Law signing, even if he has very little left. He's been there before in big games and won't be cowed by getting a little physical with the Hines Wards of the NFL in the next eight weeks...I worry about Ben Roethlisberger having time to throw with outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil storming in all night, and I don't trust Pittsburgh to be able to run. I'll take Denver, uneasily, 20-13."

NFP - Diner morning news: Things I know at the halfway point - Mike Lombardi

NFP - The race to sign college prospects - Jack Bechta

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Crackerjack crackback master?

Really?

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Nov 9, 2009 6:04 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

hahaha, I was wondering the same thing.

That’s quite a long nickname. Hines “Crackerjack Crackback Master” Ward.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 9, 2009 6:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Crackmaster H

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 9, 2009 6:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Nov 9, 2009 7:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Nov 9, 2009 7:11 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice collection of articles for the game

I am so eager I might not make it through work!

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Nov 9, 2009 7:18 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

True that, Johnny_S!

I can’t believe I have to wait all day for kickoff!!

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Anybody Else Here Really Angry?

Our boys have played smart football and beaten a lot of good football teams. Lots of them. But after one loss, it’s like we’re in a time warp: Kyle Orton has a noddle arm. The players lack talent. The coach has been lucky. I even read one infuriating analysis that went like this:

Take away Stokely’s tip reception.
What if Tony Romo doesn’t throw the INT to Champ?
The ST play against San Diego was an abberation
The Patriots should have won the overtime coin toss.
Beating the Raiders and Browns? Doesn’t even count.

That’s right. Take away everything they’ve done well, and they haven’t done well. On a related note, if I were stronger, taller, younger, harder-working and a great football player, I’d be Ben Hamilton’s ideal replacement.

I think the Broncos read their press clipping last week. They finally got big ups from around the league, and played with a sense of entitlement that a team in year one of re-scheming can’t afford. That’s not going to happen this week. They’re being treated like the Village Idiot who stumbled across an investment banker’s wallet. If they don’t come out violent and angry, something is wrong.

by Chibronx on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

I hope they are fired up after basically being dismissed this week. Most prognosticators I’ve been hearing are picking the Steelers. Thing is, they have to do it on the field. Even then, they’ll probably be underdogs again most of this season. Not the worst position to be in. Gives them motivation to keep striving forward.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I like that though- I think the team plays better when everyone is dissing them.

Seems like some of these so-called experts are still emotionally tied to their pre-season predictions, thus still have an interest in seeing Denver fail. Then they can say “See see see see, toldya! Toldya they’d suck!”

All these types have come out of the woodwork since Denver lost to Balmer. Watching the Ravens-Bengals game yesterday, it was pretty clear that the Ravens were super-jacked to play Denver- I’ll make the prediction now that the Denver game is their best performance all year.

I hope the team knows this and comes out angry and motivated to beat the Steelers.

by AllBroncsallday on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Bronco fans in the inland empire

come join me for MNF at Trevi Entertainment Center in Lake Elsinore

"It's okay to eat fish, 'cause they don't have any feelings" - Kurt Kobain

by JChase8410 on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 AM MST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Just a quick question

Are we wearing the orange alt.s tonight? I know we’re going to bust them out pretty soon for a primetime game, but I can’t remember if it’s tonight or against the Gints on Thanksgiving. Man, imagine if it WAS tonight. That combined with the Steelers’ yellow pants would be, um… bright.

"In the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful." -Ian Faith

by papigrande on Nov 9, 2009 9:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Dunno about that

All I know is I’ve almost forgotten what the home blues look like.

"I clearly miscalculated how popular it would be to show Calvin urinating on a Ford logo"--Bill Watterson

by frightenedinmate#2 on Nov 9, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC!

Excerpt from the PPG – Head to Head: Steelers LT Max Starks vs. Broncos LB Elvis Dumervil – Gerry Dulac article:

Dumervil has had two or more sacks in four games this season, including four against the Cleveland Browns in Week 2. None of those sacks, however, came against Browns Pro Bowl tackle Joe Thomas. After getting shut down by Thomas in the first half, Dumervil was moved to the left side in the second half and got all four sacks against right tackle John St. Cl

My recollection was that DOOM did get 1 of his 4 sacks against Thomas. So I went back and watched the game again (gotta love DVR!) and sure enough on the first play of the 3rd quarter DOOM got the first of his 4 sacks. That sack came against Pro Bowl tackle Joe Thomas.

Good attempt at trying to discredit DOOM’s 4 sack day performance though. Too bad that statement was not the truth.

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 9, 2009 9:26 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

You’re right about that, C-Style. The sacks started piling up after he was switched onto St. Clair. But he beat Thomas once.

I think the bigger point is important, though: Take away Doom’s sacks, and he’s not a very good player. Hard to argue with the logic of that.

by Chibronx on Nov 9, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure I agree

I think DOOM is underrated when it comes to stopping the run as well as dropping back in coverage. He has 26 tackles which is 6th on the team and he has a couple of passes defended which is valuable to the team. You can also argue that he’s good at getting pressure on the QB even when he doesn’t get a sack. Besides, that statement is somewhat like saying; if you take away his catches, Brandon Marshall is not a very good player.

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 9, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, CS

Your sarcasm detector seems to have malfunctioned…

formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan

by Douglas A. Lee on Nov 9, 2009 9:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We're on the same side on this one C-Style

See my above comment about my own potential role as Ben Hamilton’s replacement for clarification. By the way, I could also be president — if I were older, smarter, wiser, had a less French name, more moderate politics, good speaking skills, a law degree, the ability to go days without sleeping, lots of rich friends and lots of luck. Totally true story.

I mean, what does the Steelers’ D really have without Dick LeBeau, James Harrison and Troy Polamalu? Sure, Casey Hampton’s good, but he’s up there in mileage. The other linebackers are good, but if they made fewer plays, they wouldn’t be as good.

by Chibronx on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha now

As Doug pointed out, my sarcasm detector definitely malfunctioned : )

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Morning everyone

Thanks NYC for the links. Well KC fans should be happy that LJ was released because now he won’t be the all-time KC rushing leader.

I am pumped today. Come on Broncos, let’s get back on the right track.

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by weazel on Nov 9, 2009 9:32 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Doug

I think its funny KC cut Johnson, he didnt want to be there any way. My 2 keys to the game, we must throw more to the TE and we have to cover there TE

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Nov 9, 2009 9:39 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I’d be thrilled if we cut LaMont Jordan and signed L Johnson on Tuesday morning. He’d be great in short yardage and goal line.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

omg

this has to be sarcasm !

by Jenna Talia on Nov 9, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately not,

I’ve been very disappointed in our current RBs in these short yardage situations. It might be a setback for Moreno, but if we are all about W-L in 2009, we could use Johnson at RB because he has proven to be able to move chains/score TDs in short yardage that our current RBs have proven they can’t.

If we cut Jack Williams for Ty Law (clearly a move for 2009 and not the future in mind), why not cut Jordan for Larry Johnson for 2009.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Travis Henry

How did that baggage laden guy work out for us?

by Endzone on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Larry Johnson is a much better player than Henry. Watching the Chefs O-line play, even Barry Sanders and Walter Payton would have sub 4.0 YPC.

Johnson is a D-bag but I highly doubt any team is going to splash the kind of $ or contract term Denver wasted on Travis Henry. If we signed him to something like Ty Law got, Johnson may blow up for us in order to play for a bigger payday in 2010 from any NFL team.

This is my favorite website.

by McGeorge on Nov 9, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i understand your disappointment and agree to an extent

but i think its still the adjustment the offensive line is making to the new scheme, as well as super vanilla play calling and Hillis not getting on the field, for whatever reason.

we are so predictable on 2nd and short or 3rd and short it isn’t even funny. an occasional sweep or bootleg would be nice to see !

i maintain that it isn’t a personnel thing, but i’m so not an expert. still, Larry Johnson ? pls no

by Jenna Talia on Nov 9, 2009 2:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

the chefs...

just released rb larry johnson. just got a text from espn news about it. just as info.

by s.west.railroader on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 AM MST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

"Feud"?

The Broncos and Steelers have had some great games over the years and both are traditionally successful AFC franchises, but isn’t calling their series a “feud” a bit much? It’s not exactly Patriots v Jets…

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Referring to

the Pitt Post-Gazette article linked above, btw.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

"Chargers cut Broncos' AFC West lead to 1.5 games" Really?

This kind of statement annoys me. I know The Broncos has played one game less and that this is then called a half game as it can go either way. If they win the half is turned to a whole and if they lose it turns into a zero. A game not played is not a game half won. The Broncos are ONE game ahead of The Chargers. Period. There are no half games in football any more than there are half strokes in golf. If Phil Mickelson is in the clubhouse at 8 under par and Tiger Woods is on the course at 6 under with four holes to go, do you then say that because of Tiger’s four half holes, (i.e. two points) potentiel, they are actually tied? Of course not. Tiger is 2 strokes back regardless of how many holes he has yet to play and San Diego is ONE game behind Denver regardless of how many games each club has played.

by warmick on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

It's more a baseball term than a golf term.

When there are 160+ games in your season and teams play most nights, you need a frame of reference when teams haven’t played the same number of games.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Kentuckybronco. That is easy to believe

Appreciating baseball is, after all, a lot more about stats, number crunching, tally comparisons and records analysis than it is about enjoying the actual game.

by warmick on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I agree and I don’t. If a team scores a tie, it makes sense for a team to be a game and a half behind. But it doesn’t make sense when one of the teams has not played yet that week.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Nov 9, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it will all be resolved tonight.

Usually they don’t have one of these unless there is a bye week, but since the broncos are playing a full day later, statisticians will use the half game to indicate the potential win/loss of the broncos on the schedule. It really isn’t a big deal in the end because every team plays the same number of games.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they're just trying to

build suspense, even if we’re hoping there is actually none. Both readership and TV ratings are increased when there’s a tight race, a battle, etc. When someone runs away with a game or with a division they don’t like it because they think interest wanes. But that would be fine by me! ;-)

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it doesn't bug me like it does some here

We are 2 games ahead of them in the loss column so it’s not accurate to say we only have a 1 game lead. We are however only 1 game ahead of them in the Win column so it’s not accurate to say we have a 2 game lead. Hence, the 1.5 game lead.

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Doug.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM MST reply actions   0 recs


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