Is having tandem running backs the best option?
After watching a lot of games, I have to pose this question:
Is having tandem running backs the best option?
It seems to me that in a lot of games, neither of our running backs can get into a groove. I wonder if this is because they have a hard time keeping warmed up. From my time playing sports, when I had to sit for anything over a couple of minutes, I found my legs started to cool down and then I did not have the quickness as if I had been exercising the whole time.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
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Starting off this comment, I have no opinion. Maybe I'll develop one as I go through this.
I think you raise a good point, saying that neither RB can get in a groove. However, on the other side, I can see how it keeps both RBs fresh, which makes them effective later in the game when defenses are tired.
I think you have to be careful if you use a group of RBs to avoid them sitting too long. But at the same time, you don’t want them dragging their feet on the field and not hitting the hole as hard as they would with fresh legs. Nothing is worse than a tired RB.
So, I am conflicted, too. I will say this, though. I think that McDaniels does a good job with Buck and Moreno this year. A lot of times, rookies will get tired later in the season because of the short college season, then the combine and draft and rookies reporting early then minicamps then preseason and then a longer season in the NFL. I think that Moreno is more effective with a little bit of rest, especially considering that many rookies struggle with a full NFL season. Buck doesn’t seem to lack in production when he comes in, either.
At this point in the season, I really like the approach we are taking with our running backs. Now, next season, maybe we look at getting Moreno a majority of the touches if he continues to progress. Right now, I think we are good, though.
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Moreno seems to get better as the game goes on
Which fits his grinding style. But he must still keep his muscles sharp (not tired), which befits his slashing style. That’s why I like the balance we’ve got so far with him and Buck.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
Well said. Even my four paragraphs didn't get that. lol.
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
Tandem
Means all kinds of things: 80-20 to 50-50 in terms of carries, or just one guy between the 10s and one guy on the goal line (by this logic, the Ravens are arguably a kind of tandem).
Considering injuries, wear and tear, and fatigue, to say nothing of skill set, having two backs is almost a must any more. To my mind, the perfect complement to Moreno is either 1) a Brandon Jacobs-style bruiser or 2) a speedy scatback a la Jamaal Charles.
I don’t know what sport you played, but you’re right about muscle characteristics in a nonstop sport like basketball (what I played). In football, where one is constantly stopping and starting, a rest of a few downs is a very good thing to keep up the quick-twitch muscle explosion
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 PM MST reply actions
Basketball :-)
I played basket ball for the most part it might just be my not understanding how the muscles work with football! Thanks for the input.
They have found that by using a single back the wear and tear is a detriment to their career.
Years and years of abuse takes it toll on players, especially running backs. Using a tandum of 2 cuts this in half thus getting more production out of both of them. NFL condition is a lot more advanced than it was say maybe 10 years ago and with the way they get ready for a game is mind boggling. We see Moreno getting tougher as the game goes on because defenses get wore down some in the many reps of the game. Moreno and Buckhalter know where they are going on every play, the defense doesn’t and has to adjust during the run to make a play. The defense uses more enegy. So by the end of the game Moreno and Buckhalter are just getting warmed up and the opposing defense is playing on second wind.
I love it when I see opposing defenders with their hands on their hips and their mouths gapping open. That’s when you know who the real men will be.
With so much money invested in these players the team want to get every benefit out of them they can. Did Shanny wear out Terrell Davis? I have thought about that often. I don’t know if he did or not, or if it would have lengthened his career or not. That a tough decision for a head coach to make.
I think it's a very fine line.
Obviously, none of us have played the sport at this level, and don’t know what kind of a beating the guys really take out there. That said, I played all sports growing up but my main focus was on soccer. I always played my best when I was not subbed out during the game.
Like the OP said, when I was taken out I would go cold. It wasn’t just a physical thing either. Of course, there are issues with your muscles going cold, but for me, it was more of a mental/groove thing. If I sat for too long and wasn’t allowed to get my mindset in the game right and stay in that zone, I couldn’t play at my best. If I stayed in the whole game, my training and instincts would take over, I would stop thinking too much, and (with the risk of sounding lame) dominate.
I have similar feelings to Snoogins in this regard. I think that Knowshon hasn’t had a chance to really unleash on an opponent yet. I think he is capable of taking over a game and really taking the heart out of a team. Do I think this is a bad thing or that McD is handling the situation wrong? Nope.
As someone stated above, Rookies tend to wear down more often and more quickly than vets do because of the grind of the NFL season they aren’t used to. Also, I think it is good to limit his exposure while he is still learning. I think we have just seen a little bit of the talent and explosion Knowshon is going to bring for us, but i think he has turned that corner in the last couple of games. I expect more beastliness from him from here on out.
I’m not sure if this was meant in our context and how it was playing out with our RB’s, but I went there ;)
That pretty much summarizes my feeling on this subject
I think if Knowshon gets into a groove, then let it roll. I agree with the rookie conditioning a little bit though. In basketball, the rookies aren’t used to the Pro schedule, which is virtually double what they played in college. Also the skill set of their opponents is much better (boys to men). Obviously, the football schedules are closer, but in the pros, the work schedule is more constant and demanding then college life.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Thunder & lightning
Gash & Dash
Count me in for the Tandem.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
I'm dreaming of a Moreno/Toby Gerhardt tandem next year
That would be smashmouth run-first football at its most purest and delicious. With that, and an upgraded O-line, who really cares who our QB is?
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Miami – Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams
Carolina – Stewart and Williams
Tennessee – Johnson and White
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
Those are great tandems
But none of them have a Ring.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Well, Stewart, Johnson, and White haven't been in the league very long.
Ricky Williams took some kind of religious trip to Asia to find himself, after having the marijuana issues. DeAngelo Williams has Jake Delhomme as a QB. There is five of your six. Ronnie Brown has had a decent career, but he hasn’t really had much of a team around him to really do anything in the playoffs. Not to mention the Dolphins have to play the pats twice a year.
So, I’m not sure that we should count them all out, yet.
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Just realized my dream is more Thunder and Sonic Boom than Thunder and Lightning
A Gash and Dash pairing would be Moreno and Jahvid Best.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 2, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
Some sort of rotation
I think some sort of rotation is where we have to go these days. Very few running backs survive as a featured back. The only backs nowadays that are in the backfield for almost all of the snaps (that I know of) are Frank Gore, MJD and Steven Jackson. Those are some really special backs there. Otherwise, the backs get spelled (like AP giving up third downs to Chester Taylor or Ray Rice giving way to McGahee, McClain at times). I think it’s best for Buckhalter, with his history, to remain in the spelling/rotational role to keep him healthy.
Do we have a back in Moreno that can be a feature back? Perhaps in the future. One of the keys to a feature back is the ability to stay healthy. I’ve seen nothing so far from Moreno to show he can’t do this. Certainly a back must be able to handle all situations if he is going to be an every down back. Moreno can catch the ball and pick up blitzes, but perhaps he could work on both a little bit.
Finally, the quality that I think holds most backs out of “feature” consideration is the ability to get better as the game wears on. So often you see a guy like Adrian Peterson have something like 45 yards on 15 carries at half time. You think “wow, they’ve done pretty darn good on AP!” However, they don’t call him “All Day” for nothing. By the end of the game he has 150 yards on 25 carries and 2 TDs. AP has this ability, but Minnesota chooses to spell him still. I don’t know if his blitz pickup is poor or what the reasoning is, but that’s not the point. AP is one of those rare backs that gets better as the game wears on. Does Moreno have this? Jury is still out. I don’t think we’ve really seen a game yet in which he has been able to confirm or disconfirm this ability.
Moreno could be growing into a special back, but honestly, before the last three weeks his YPC was very pedestrian. I think we need to nurture him and continue to let him grow in a rotational or spelling system, and perhaps next year see if we’ve got a feature back on our hands.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Late last season, AP's game suffered, late, from overuse
He put in a lot of time in the offseason getting stronger and they have been spelling him more effectively this season, from what I’ve seen. It makes sense to me – balancing the attack as much as is possible is just good game management.
From what I’m seeing, Moreno is growing and developing nicely. That’s a big change, especially with a system as complex and specific as Denver’s. Watching his spin move on Thanksgiving was a sheer pleasure. I like it that we’re not trying to see how much he can carry alone. Right about now, you start to hear about the rookie ‘wall’. Turner/McD et al have made sure that it won’t be a bigger problem than it needs to be. Letting players rest more minimizes the build-up of minor, nagging injuries that every back will develop about this time of the year.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

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