Pour Some Sugar on Me--What Happens When the Colts Lose
by TJ Johnson on Dec 12, 2009 3:30 PM MST
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PrintThe Broncos are like a bomb, baby, come and get it on.
What happens if the Broncos actually pull a miracle and beat the Colts tomorrow? How will they have done it? Is it actually possible?
Not only is it possible, I can already tell you what the game will look like. As the lead singer for the band Def Depard (one of the finest poets of his generation) would say,"Red light, yellow light, green-a-light go."
Since 2005, the Indianapolis Colts have finished 55-16, including the playoffs and Super Bowl season of 2006. That means the Colts have won 77% of their games. That's an insane number of wins in a 4-year stretch. If it helps you bend your mind around just how good this is, just imagine the Raiders losing percentage over the last 4 years and think about the exact opposite. The Colts have been as good as the Raiders have been useless.
Perhaps you'd like a Christmas analogy instead. It is the season, after all. The Colts are the guy at the company Christmas party who took the time to get everyone a give. He's classy and he's a winner. The Raiders are the guy who downed too much eggnog, got completely slobber-knocked, complains about not getting a raise, and hit-on everyone's girlfriend.
But we're not here to celebrate the ineptitude that is the Oakland Raiders (for that, every day is X-Mas). We are here to tell you what it looks like when the Colts are themselves inept. Of the Colts' 16 losses over this timespan, two occurred when they were resting their starters. So in reality, we have 14 legitimate losses during this time. This is enough to help us get an understanding of how to beat them.
I looked at all 14 of these losses from a statistical point of view, and, after averaging all of these games, generated what I believe is a solid statistical profile for what happens when the Colts fall. Quite frankly, I didn't need 14 games to do it. After about 5 games, the pattern became quite clear. However, I wanted to go all the way back to 2005 in order to at least get a reasonable sample size. I didn't want to waste time focusing on sample size. I simply wanted you to see just how teams, on those rare occasions when it happens, beat the Indianapolis Colts. Also, I have always wanted to say the phrase BC (Before Cutler).
The Games
First, you may be interested in knowing the dates and scores of the 14 games for reference purposes:
- 9/7/2008 - Bears 29, Colts 13
- 9/21/2008 - Jaguars 23, Colts 21
- 10/19/2008 - Colts 14, Packers 34
- 10/27/2008 - Colts 21, Titans 31
- 1/3/2009 - Colts 17, Chargers 23
- 11/4/2007 - Patriots 24, Colts 20
- 11/11/2007 - Colts 21, Chargers 23
- 1/13/2008 - Chargers 28, Colts 24
- 11/19/2006 - Colts 14, Cowboys 21
- 12/3/2006 - Colts 17, Titans 20
- 12/10/2006 - Colts 17, Jaguars 44
- 12/24/2006 - Colts 24, Texans 27
- 12/18/2005 - Charger 26, Colts 17
- 1/15/2006 - Steelers 21, Colts 18
The Profile
Now, we don't need to get carried away and automatically assume that the Denver Broncos must hit all of these numbers in order to win. We are talking, again, about an average profile of their 14 losses. And, it should be noted, that some of these numbers are rounded up or down. For instance, the sack numbers are actually 1.60 and 1.00. But getting 1.60 sacks in a game isn't possible, so one rounds up or down accordingly.
Now that the fine print is out of the way, what does this profile tell us about what the Broncos must do tomorrow to beat Peyton Manning? I've highlighted some key stats in predominately orange. Much will be what you would have expected, but now you'll have the numbers to back it up.
How to Beat Manning
First, notice what isn't important statistically in order to beat Manning. First, total yardage matters little. The same is true with total first downs and penalty yards. Lastly, while matching Manning on a average yards/pass seems important, total yards passing yards isn't important either.
What is important? Here now are the 5 keys to beating Manning, Def Leppard style:
1) From My Head, My Head, To My Feet. Denver must run. Then they must run. And when they are done running, they should run some more. For those of you that would like to see Kyle Orton shoot it out with Manning, you are going to be disappointed. For the Broncos to win tomorrow, they need to obliterate the Colts in the running game. In the 14 losses that I profiled, the Colts' opponents have averaged 36 rushing attempts and 165 yards on the ground/game. This contrasts to the Colts' numbers of 21 rushing attempts and 76 yards. This is a rushing differential of 89 yards.
Normally, the time of possession statistic is skewed to the team that is winning in the 2nd half and is trying to kill the clock at the end of the game. It goes against the traditional wisdom of establishing the run, dominating time of possession, and winning the game. Many others, including the Football Insiders, have busted this myth, and in fact, have maintained the opposite, that in today's NFL, teams use the pass to set up the run. However, in these 14 losses, the conventional wisdom is actually true for once. Most of these 14 games were in question up to the final quarter. Teams were not running the ball with big leads in the 2nd half in order to kill the clock. They were running the ball to keep Manning's butt off the field and establish the run. This is clear from the time of possession statistic, which is 1.2 to 1 in favor of the Colts' opponents.
2) Livin' Like a Lover with a Radar Phone. The Broncos need Kyle Orton to have a radar arm on Sunday. They absolutely must--and I mean must--get over 45%--on 3rd-down conversions. Currently, they are around 35%. When the Colts lose, they lose the 3rd-down battle, and generally, their opponents are above 45%. If Denver can't do this, they obviously won't sustain drives and they will be opening the door to Manning's quick-strike offense.
3) You Got the Peaches, I Got the Cream. Mitch Berger--yes, that guy--and Eddie Royal are key in this this game. Why? Field Position. Notice the differences in Average Net Punting Average and Average Starting Field Position for the Colts in these 14 losses. The punting statistic was most surprising to me of all the statistics that I studied in these games. The punting differential is a full 6 yards! This may not seem like a lot, but it really is.
Manning can score from anywhere on the field. There's no reason to hasten this through bad punting, bad coverage, and a field in which the Broncos are starting drives from inside their own 20-yard line. Currently, the Broncos start drives (on average) from their own 28-yard line. From the data above, everyone would agree this number needs to rise faster than Tom Cable's temper in a coaches-only meeting.
4) I'm Hot, Sticky Sweet. The average turnover margin (rounded) in the Colts' 14 losses has been -2. This means Denver needs to pick up fumbles when they hit the ground, and when Manning throws an errant pass, Denver needs to have hands like Lester Hayes (and people say I don't love the Raiders). As with any NFL game, turnovers have a massive influence in who wins games. For those of you that are missing some correlation coefficients, the correlation between team wins and turnover margin over the last ten years is .62. That's not a one-hit wonder with make-up and hair spray.
5) Lookin' Like a Tramp, Like a Video Vamp. Elvis Dumervil (and Co.) needs to be completely filthy in this game. He needs to make Lita Ford look like a church girl. In the Colts' 14 losses, their opponents have doubled them in the sack total (rounded). While getting 2 sacks would be nice, Denver also needs to pressure, hurry, and disrupt Manning all day. The Colts don't give up many sacks (less than 1 per game on average), but if there is ever a time for Elvis to show us he is "The King," it' s now.
Getting Some Sugar
The five keys to winning this game are not novel. In fact, many pundits and fans have been screaming for a pound-the-rock, control-the-clock, turnover-laden frenzy tomorrow. The statistics back all of this up. Mitch Berger (and let's not forget Prater) was a pleasant surprise, however. It reinforces why Josh McDaniels brought him in.
And I know how much Peyton Manning likes idiot kickers influencing the outcomes of football games.
Sometime, anytime, sugar me sweet.
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Great write up Dude.
I love it!
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Thanks, CJ, a little humor before game day never hurt.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
thanks, man, always appreciated
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
That was a great post. I truly think that we can win this game tomorrow. I can't wait.
That’s not a one-hit wonder with make-up and hair spray.
I just had a mental image of Peyton Manning shredding a guitar on stage with KISS, for some reason.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
I really like your sterling wit TJ
Hello America. Watch out for the Rock Brigade!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Thanks Kap, Great analysis this week as well.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Close to perfect
Seems like we have to play our best game, for someone who was at the New England game it is possible.
bleedorange, good analogy....that was an exceptional effort, and I think that is the kind of effort that could get it done.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
+1 on that...
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!! (April 2009 prediction)
Revised to 11-5 due to reality!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
speaking of miracle...
just saw this tweet: " @thegarymiller – movie on Bronco charter to Indy “Miracle.” Plane landed with USA down 3-2. They kept it going so Broncos saw the finish before de-planing. "
A sign?
haha, nice.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Intriguing!
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 12, 2009 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
What about Rocky 4? Ivan Drago?
“I must break you.”
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
They saving that for philly
It fits better that way.
by BroncoInExile on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
but this isn't necessaraly what would beat them now.
it seams it is more what has to happen to beat them in general over this span. what teams have done to beat them over the span but doesn’t take into account what they are doing this year. or much of last year when we were winning those last 9 games. if i am wrong about this TJ please let me know id love to discuss it. i think you guys have a chance tomorrow dont get me wrong i just dont necessaraly believe the numbers you got would necessaraly lead to a win.
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
I tend to be wrong and miss the point, but from a statistical analysis point of view...
it’s pretty obvious that if you keep even in 3rd down %, offensive stats, you’ve got a shot of being close.
Combine those stats above with winning the turnover battle + field position you win. Seems like stats that don’t lie. :)
I’ll say that I think Manning & Co. can overcome any deficit of sack/rushing/TOP differential with such a high-powered offense. There are few quarterbacks/offenses in this league I would see being able to convert (even multiple) Second & 15, Third & 15 downs.
by BroncoInExile on Dec 12, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks, Angel. Appreciate the input.
If the box score looked like this tomorrow, I would say that whomever Indy played would be on top, but I think you are rightly pointing out that in an individual game, Indy could pull the game out, despite losing the battle in some of these categories. I would tell you that in all of the games I’ve looke dat over the last several years, if team wins TOP, TO Battle, Field Position, and 3rd, down, they are well over 90% in the win column.
But your point is right on. The Miami game is a perfect example of that.
This profile is certainly an average, but you can be pretty sure it would be a winning profile.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
umm bfree no negative waves man i asked question i dont see how that is negative waves lol
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 12, 2009 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
Nothing about you, it was a line from Kelly's Heroes...Starring Donald Sutherland as Odd Ball.
No…No…nothing could ever persuade you or the fan-dome at BigBlue that the Denver Broncos are going to win this game tomorrow. Nobody, so leave it as is.
by bfree2bronc on Dec 12, 2009 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
One of Sutherlands strangest characters
Great movie!
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
We gotta play our game offensively which has been whatever is there take it . We get into trouble when we try and be a certain thing offensively.
The Colts will gear up to stop the run and try and force Orton and the passing game to beat us so at the end of the day I believe it will fall upon Orton not to win the game by himself but to play elite for us to win this game .
Every team over the last 5-6 weeks have ran the ball well against the Colts and tried to control the clock .Heck the Titans had a 6 minute advantage in T.O.P but in the end not being able to take advantage of of the opportunities that presented themselves is the downfall of each and every single team the last few weeks. Turnovers in the redzone ,bad play calls and tentative play have done more damage in November and December to the Colts opponents than the Colts have .
We should focus on playing our game which is basically opportunistic football and making opponents pay for every single mistake they make on both sides of the football.
Hoopforia, don't disagree with anything you say here...
…all that I would add is that even though teams try and try, they have only been successful 14 times in the last 4 years….and this is what it looks like when you are successful with that formula.
The other 55 times have not been successful. If it falls on Orton, you can make it 56.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I'll tell you one thing that makes me feel better as a Colts fan,
better special teams. We’ve been dead last the last few years, but this year we’re better. Still below average, but just better enough to make a difference in the games.
Colts allow the highest 3rd down %, so it’s not that hard to complete 3rd downs against us. We’ve not consistently won that in our games.
We rarely win ToP. We’ve won while losing ToP, turnover battle, and the 3rd down percentage. In two games all of those things combined.
To me, the special teams and the pressuring Manning will be the key for the Broncos. Peyton has not been harrassed the entire game yet nor have any special teams been consistently good against us. The STs single handedly have won two of those Chargers games while pressuring Peyton (a lot) lost us at least five of those games. Then there are the fluke games like the 60 yarder that won the Tenn game in 06. sigh
I remember every single one of those 14 losses. The ones I hated the most were the 389 yards game against the Jags and the Green Bay game last year where the Packers definitely played really well, but it was just an attrocious game by the refs. There were so many nonsensical holding calls in the first ten minutes… I’m getting angry just thinking about it.
You should feel good about being a Colts' fan.
I agree, every week you generally lose TOP and Field position. But your quick strike offense (last in number of drives, but first in yards/drive) doesn’t mind. Imagine what would happen if you had a Darren Sproles type of player on Special Teams?
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
right
But i think everything is relative, maybe the lack of a good ST and or return man is why we are this good on offense , one thing feeds the other, Gonzalez injury allowed the development of Garcon, you cant always have everything, teams that are rushing teams usually dont know how to come from behind ,is hard to have balance and maintain that balance for years you could have it one or two years but then the balance starts tipping and affects the skills on the other side and there after is a constant battle to try to even it again , Favre and AP fu%k each other skills over time.
There are many that are still mourning over not getting Cribbs,
even though Cleveland never wanted to give him away. The Pitt/Cle open thread was full of this.
I wonder if Coach McD is reading our keys to the game?
lol
Great work as always friend. You rock!
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
Thanks HT! Is McD a Def Lepard fan?
ha
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Awesome Analysis and Rec'd
Especially love the Def Lepard quotes. Lebowski, you da man!
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
Rzeppa, wondered where you were at!! Respect,man!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
GREATTTT
Nice job you have done here TJ , it seems that this has been the formula that most teams had try to use against the Colts this year and previous, but it seems that the Colts have been working on making it hard for teams to execute this, for example this year run defense is much improved and finally we have a top 5 defense as we improve the window gets smaller ,
it will help if you TJ could add where our defense ranked on those games cuz i have seen that with your formula the teams that have executed this well (like miami) had encounter another brick wall that wasnt there previously(the games you mention) and it is scoring , teams have been able to control TOP but had to settle for FGs and thats been the difference this year.
Idk its my take to think that this formula still works but now it is more difficult for teams to score on us using this formula, so to add to your list of must do’s i would add redzone performance of 75% or better.
Nonetheless this was a great read great job there TJ, and win or lose as a Colt fan for many years i feel flattered reading this and i wish your team luck but i hope the Colts dont let this formula develop on sunday :).
How many QB’s in the NFL deserve a scientific analysis on how to beat them?
tbs, good points, this is why I love MHR, I get good input from everyone, which I would have done it..
As I was saying to Angel above, I think you have a valid point. Your defense is pretty fast this year. And the MIami game is an excellent example of what you describe.
I think, however, no matter the ranking, if the box score looks like this tomorrow, no matter who it is, they will have probably beaten Manning and not have settled for FGs (ie, 3rd down percentage).
This was excllent input, my friend. Thanks for blogging with us this week.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
what's the craziest...
Is that if you look at all of those losses, they’ve only by more than 10 points only 3 times. Three “blowout” losses in 4 years is damn good
i wasnt aware of that
and is pretty damn good as you say, and i must add that i think all 3 blowouts have been on the road . well im not 100% sure.
You don't happen to be from Oxnard, ca?
by BroncoInExile on Dec 12, 2009 5:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
oxsnard, I saw the same thing and thought...
…COLTS FANS HAVE BEEN SPOILED!! Ha!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
As we take a look at the Champs, the Pittsburg Steelers, they won 5 regular season games last year
with a little over 3 points in favor. Yet they won the Super Bowl. It all boils down t o a solid defense that keeps you in games until the end. They (Steelers) could have been 7-9 very easily if their defense didn’t dig them out of the mess Big Ben “The Great” got them into. You see, a lot of times it takes a lot of luck to get where you are, and when that luck runs out watch out…
by bfree2bronc on Dec 12, 2009 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
haha what you doing here Marima?
ohhh i see , you dont want your lil record to be broken tomorrow… :) , hows Brady doing?
what? who me?
Don’t you know, I’ve always been a Bronco’s fan. ; ) Wouldn’t matter about the record, it’s the Colts we love to hate lol. You all can follow the Pats’ blueprint (up until that pesky fourth-quarter-shut-down thing.)
Looks like Brady will play but like most of the NFL, he’s banged up a bit with his finger and bruised ribs, and probably a bit sleepless thanks to his wife giving birth this past week. What was he thinking back in March? (Never mind.)
Keep the faith!
I totally agree with this
Look at where the Colts big time players are: QB, TE, WR, DE, DB…. They throw their money at these player, and they win with them.
Not A bad startegy, hard to argue since its worked, but what we need to do is exploit the DT’s. They are bigger than they have usually been this year, but they dont have a big presence there. Thats where Moreno has to exploit them. I think there are 4 players who need to hav big games: Moreno, Weigmann, Hochstein and Kuper. We need to pound the rock with dives and traps. I also wouldn’t be opposed to running some off tackle, as Freeney and Mathis arent exactly run stoppers.
DB, I'm with you 100%...if not more...can I squeeze out 110%?
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I also agree
we also might see more of Hillis this week. His punishing style of running might be effective against the smaller Indy linebackers.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
Great job dude...
I realy HATE how you have to bring common sense and facts into arguments.
by reading everyone’s take we should think about not showing up.
I give us a GREAT chance!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Broncoas are a good team with a great chance
i think the Colts will lose 1 or 2 games this season, it will not surprise me if this is the first one, but to be honest i would like this one , not for the sake of going 16-0 or for Mr. Coyer revenge :) , just to get both records the 22 regular season wins from the pats and to be the team with most wins in a decade of any decade, so please dont run on us too much.
Boydy, don't get my wrong, I am hopeful...
I just wanted to show what the box score would look like if they went down, mate!
Go Neckbeard!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Didnt Lester Hayes use stickum?
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Confusion
Geez Zappa…between you and TJ I losing track of some of my favorite posters. Keep putting in the reminders of your old handle would ya?
by BroncoCUbuffs on Dec 12, 2009 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
Zappa is a safer bet, BCU. I'm just trying to keep my mind limber.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I'm still here. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Does Al Davis Need a GM?
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
wow, Nike should roll this back out...Be Like Lester
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Zappa never lies
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
well, i suppose it could be urine.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
lol
-Richee
-"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
by BroncoSense72 on Dec 13, 2009 7:03 AM MST up reply actions
Amazingly consistent
Your posts are ALWAYS a pleasure to read. Win or lose I am finding this year’s version of the Broncos is by far the most entertaining over the last 8 to 10 years. I love the individual and team improvements as the season progresses.
We still haven’t put together that complete game, especially offensively, but we are THIS close! I’m looking for the offense to win one or two of the remaining games. God willing and the creek don’t rise this will be one.
Thanks, man. MHR has allowed me to find express humor and football in the same space.
With the Raiders lurking around the corner, it shouldn’t be hard to keep that up.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
hey TJ do you know if playing in a stadium for the first time has any influence on the game at all?
The Colts have won 12 consecutive games in the Lucas Oil Stadium but the Broncos will be playing in it for the first time sunday. would it be a factor?
TBS, Another good point. I think it can only work in your favor.
Home teams are 60% statistically in general anyway. Add to that the quality of your team, the fans emotion at being undefeated, and the “newness” to the Broncos (although I’m not sure who on their roster has been there), and I would say it assuredly adds an extra 3 points (the generally agreed to advantage for home teams). Perhaps as much as 5.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
there's a reason the line is what it is...
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Even the Colts didn't do so well at Lucas Oil the first time. :p
No thanks to Cutler. That’s the only home loss on that list by more than 10!
(Of course we all like to blame it on Manning coming off his knee surgeries.)
no worries, man...if it was Culter, you would have had 56 for sure....and an even better..
turnover margin
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Nah, the Colts offense was totally out of synch. Peyton not playing in any pre season games
and lack of time in training camp really showed.
I’m also not a man. :)
diagenesis, my sincere apologies...believe me about Cutler, he knows picks like John Madden knows RVs
now, young lady, about your propensity for Vodka…..
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Also, um, I ....was umm, using the royal "man." sense of the word:-) haha
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
My best friend's Russian.
Heh on Madden and his RVs. :)
--
So, have you ever attended any of the Lebowski Fests?
No, I wish I had made it to the one in which Bridges showed up! Goodman wold be hilarious too.
If you are looking for some other great Cohen Brothers movies that don’t get a lot of play, check out Goodman and Turturro in Barton Fink. Great movie. Miller’s Crossing is also an underrated ganster movie they made.
I also think intolerable cruelty is underrated too.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
you gotta
squeeze a little, squeeze a little, tease a little more
easy operator come a-knockin’ on my door…
sometime, anytime, sugar me sweet
little miss innocent sugar me… whaa-oh.
Ox, obviously you're not a golfer!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Totes Magotes, man!!! I just looked at the NFL distribution map and I'll get the Den/Indy game in Louisville.
I was a little worried after finding out that Cincy plays at 1 oclock, but I lucked out this time. Thank God the Colts are undefeated, otherwise I may have been watching a Bengals game, tomorrow.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
hey do you have a link or something for the NFL distibution map?
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 12, 2009 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
No problem
Here you go
For me, I was a little concerned because I couldn’t see where Louisville was. It’s right on the Cincy game and Indy game line. You might need to check the tv listings if you are still not sure if you’ll get it.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
darn i only get bengles vikings and falcons saints
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 12, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
Bummer. Well, there are still internet links you can get.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
yea i know that usually how i watch the colts cause i rarely get them
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 12, 2009 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, me too.... except for the broncos.
Thank God that the internet at college is super fast.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
Louisville has gotten all Colts game in the past three years except two or three The Cincy/Baltimore
game earlier in the year and there was one too years ago that they didn’t get. I heard a lot of people complained about the cincy/baltimore game over the Indy/Houston game since the Louisville market covers a lot of Indiana.
Early in the season the Bengals wereshown here because of how they played so well earlier.
Pretty much any time the Bengals play someone in their division, Louisville gets that game. Lately, I’ve gotten lots of Colts games because of the winning streak and what not.
It’s really difficult to predict which game is shown here, though. It’s in the middle of Cincy, St. Louis, Indy and Titans fanbases. Oh well. The internet is the place to go.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
were shown*
My thumb was getting lazy, for a second, and missed the space.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
Dude so mad I do not get it in SoCal
who the hell wants to watch Min-Cin in southern cali. The people that run CBS are morons. And I get NO-ATL on fox. Great last time I checked we are not the east coast. Much rather watch Oak-Wash or Sea-Hou. Love how these suits at these networks make us watch this crap every week
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 13, 2009 12:10 AM MST up reply actions
KB, please link this. I've never seen this before, although obviously, in our area, we always get Denver
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Sure, Dude. I just replied to angelsfaith as you commented this. Just pass go and you'll receive..... a map.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
ah, I see it KB, thanks!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I'm stoked too -- getting it here
in the SF Bay Area. Now make it worth my while, Broncos! ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
My eyes lasered to the TO line
All the other stuff is cool, but you gotta win the turnover battle with Indy. It takes possessions away from Manning and gives them to your own offense. And underneath the turnover numbers is probably pressure on the quarterback – rushing the passer may be more critical than rushing the ball.
ClarkFan = Truth
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Even more with Manning, losing the TO battle is deadly
Giving him extra possessions is like playing Russian roullette with 5 chambers loaded.
I'm thinking...
…D.J Williams and Andra Davis will play as big a role as Doom. Sacks will be nice, but pressure up the middle, hurries and knock downs are more valuable against Manning. Hit him enough, get him confused, and the rest will take care of themselves. Conversely, sack him a couple times but otherwise let him feel confident and comfortable, and 250 yards rushing, a couple of picks and a tipped ToP will go for naught if he gets in a groove. The only bad Manning is an annoyed and nervous Manning.
Thanks for another revealing article, T.J.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 12, 2009 6:02 PM MST reply actions
Thanks PO, and, as always, you add some other layers for me to think about....it's why MHR is la bomba!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Do you know if they track knockdowns and hurries?
Or is that just something the TV guys do game by game?
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 12, 2009 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
PO, here you can get some info about the passing attempts for individual QBs
I’m using it right now to develop a “Gunslinger Index.”
Here is another place that gets close too.
Just remember that this data is subjective. One man’s bad pass is another man’s "the receiver ran the wrong route!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
100% Agreed
Chase him from the middle and force him to run into one of our OLBs. Could we see Davis and Dumervil blitzing the middle with Williams dropping back and lay the wood on Clark???
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
wow this is ridiculous
every week i get a colts game but this week i get a minnesota game instead…….this sucks, i also get to see the bears get destroyed by GB
Zappa, Perfect.
As always. Many thanks.
by PoorPoppy on Dec 12, 2009 6:30 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Zappa wrote this? Dude, how dare you take credit?
lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
If I was Zappa, my IQ would have added a few points...and I'd know HTML!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Not surprising. If you can take over the body and mind of another person, then you'd probably have a pretty high IQ......
or if you hacked into zappa’s account………….you might know HTML.
So, you’re right on.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 12, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
I use the word Dude alot...
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Dude, My applogies
I’m easily confused. And, I don’t have the avatars on my iPhone to cheat with. Please forgive me
by PoorPoppy on Dec 13, 2009 5:59 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Bears victory vs Colts in 2008
Does anyone know if this game was played in Lucas and who was the QB for the Bears?
i dont dont know but i think it was in the luke that was our opening game i think and i think the
QB was grossmen but cant be sure. such a help arnt i lol
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 12, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
diagenesis
referred to Orton winning in Lucas Oil earlier in the thread I believe
something about vodka and cutler as well?? LOL
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
I can tell you two things: :-)
1) The QB was not Jay Cutler;
2) They did not play in the RCA Dome
I can’t remember anything….
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
It was the opening of Lucas Oil Stadium that was ruined by Mr. Orton and the Bears.
The first game of the season, Sunday Night Football on NBC.
Peyton's pre-season
We really are nothing without a 80-100% Peyton, one of the reasons he won MVP, hes hurt = team lost.
By the way the contents of this thread made me aware of how deserving Peyton Manning is of another MVP this year, of this league leaders he is simple the most valuable for his team, the saints can win without Bress they are that balanced adn the favres have AP and were a playoff team with out him.
+1
When people mention the best QBs of all time, I won’t have a problem with him stepping ahead of Elway. He’s one that will have earned it—unlike some other fakes.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
maybe beside Elway
Manning is great, Elways athletisism is his trump card to Mannings brains
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
I honestly think the Colts...
…would be barely mediocre without Manning. Its not just the tangible stuff, but also the nuance— Addia is largely ineffective when teams key run, Freeney and Mathis are one dimensional (although Freeney does make it hard to run outside on his side), their secondary looks a lot better because the pass rush gets to tee off most the time, Wayne is pretty good but probably not as talented as his numbers suggest.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 12, 2009 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
Good laughs, good article
Rec’d for deft stats and Def Lepard ;-) Nice chuckles, too.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
You mentioned SDs success against the Colts
Do you think having former Bolts defensive line coach will help tomorrow?
NYCBronx, another excellent point.
From a strategy perspective, I am sure it will help. He will be able to give Nolan and his guys some ideas about individual matchups.
Do we have the same kind of quality of D-Lineman as the Chargers have over the last 4 years?
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
.
Infected with limerickism
With clear thoughts caught in a prism,
I think we will win
If we use this spin
We give Indy’s defense a schism.
We feed them a running attack,
Using a tail and H-Back.
With Hillis involved,
One problem is solved,
They can’t go all out for a sack.
Our defense must move with a ‘Hush’,
Not showing the blitz ’till we rush.
We will win this battle,
If Manning we rattle,
And hurry his throws with the flush.
I have a good feeling this game,
despite stuck in limerick lame,
As later Bolts lose
Which gives Phill the blues,
We catch them our records the same.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Dec 12, 2009 8:07 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
Nice Mike!
-Richee
-"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
by BroncoSense72 on Dec 13, 2009 5:17 AM MST up reply actions
Most excellent (channeling monty burns again)
rec’d
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Orton Vs Colts video (2008)
Orton and the Bears play against Manning and the Colts last year and beat them 29-13. Despite having a horrible OL and receivers, Orton made 3 key plays and several long throws to beat the Colts last year and ended their 21 games winning streak. here is a video of Orton game against the Colts, notice that Orton had about 3 to 4 seconds from the time he take a snap to the time he have to release the ball.
Burn That Sucka Down
As long as we’re using music lyric analogies….. When it comes to the Broncos play’n in the Indy dome, the immortal words of Pink to mind: “Burn that sucka down….”
thanks, dw805!!
I’m down with that!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
2003 game blueprint for success
I am referring to the 31-17 regular season game on Sunday night football not the playoff debacle.The Broncos contriolled TOP for three quarters of the game(I believe it was around 45:00 to 15:00 for the Colts),ran the ball 54 times for 227 yards led by Quentin Griffins 136 and disguised the blitz and confused Peyton Manning.Now I would say it is an impossible task to confuse Peyton Manning again but the other two goals of dominating TOP and running the ball are definately attainable.In a 2006 Broncos loss at Mile High the Broncos also rushed for 227 yards led by Mike Bell’s 136 yards.The difference in 2006 was that Denver left time at the end of the game for Manning to drive down the field and enable Vinatieri to kick a late field goal for the win.
Looking forward to a great game tomorrow morning and hopefully Denver will find a way to defeat the Colts
by OrangeCrush4082 on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM MST reply actions
Good points, OC. you jogged my memory for sure.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
NFL Scouts Inc breakdown of game
I don’t have ESPN Insider so I can’t read the rest of this Scouts Inc breakdown of the Colts Broncos game but was wondering what people thought of the edges they give each team. Most of them I can’t argue with but is there really a clear edge at WR for Indy?
Hard to argue against Reggie Wayne, and I know that Manning is the one throwing them balls, but overall, the two team’s WR corps would seem quite even, no? Marshall, Royal, Gaffney, Stokely. But I guess Wayne is the best of them all so that may be where the edge comes in.
Anyway, if anyone with Insider sub thinks there’s anything else in that report worth hearing let us know.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
u sorry a#ss broncos fans
you thinkk youhave a chance playing at indy. if you can, tell mel the last team to be the colts at los n the reg season. breakitdown, everyway you can concieve and it all coms out to a colt victory. i read all tthe lame posts from week 2 until now and every team thinks they have a chance/ thta’s all they have is a chance,. like rolling the dice and the
broncos will roll up craps, like they did against diicent teamsl, balt, pitt sd and whoa,
holy chit batman, maybe p,macafee will throw for a score againgst these pretenders. don’t get your’re hopes up den fans, u wil still be fighting for a ploff spolt when all is said and done, and u wiill hope the colts are not in your\re ploff future, not talking sh\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\1t, jst laying down the facts. ask flaco, and shaub and young
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"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Brahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, now the real intelligent Colts fans come out. Un-freaking believable.
by bfree2bronc on Dec 13, 2009 12:23 AM MST up reply actions
hahaha
-Richee
-"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
by BroncoSense72 on Dec 13, 2009 5:21 AM MST up reply actions
Pride cometh before the fall.
Of course we have a chance of winning. As fans, why wouldn’t we believe we have a shot of winning? That’s why we play the game. Ever heard the term “any given sunday”? Well, that expression was created for games like these.
On paper, you guys have the advantage. Peyton is a beast and everyone knows that, but the Broncos do have a legit shot of beating him.
Now, if you wanna crown em, then crown their arse. But the colts are who we thought they were, and that’s why we took the dam field.
Also…….. grammar much???
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 13, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks, Ox, couldn´t have put it better myself. These are the times that try men´s...grammar.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
you're all class all the time, Dude
sure is good to have you around, my friend.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Dec 13, 2009 4:01 AM MST up reply actions
Grammer was a Broncos fan too
Gramper went for the Bears, but we still loved him…..I just love illiterate trolls. Such fun to read – well, decipher, at least
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
u know
iv en been following fball along tme and for along long time and 4 once i agree with bbshoe saying that j.mcdaniel is a fool, if not another adjecjtive. so what u beat a pats and dallas teams that were struggling, also sdiego who i personnaly hate also. you’re loses to pitt and bal signal all the colts need to know how to beat and dominate you’re second tier team. we will send you back to the 2nd level and you will think you won the game, how’s that bronco faithful. no matter what u can come up with the colts will adjust and peyton will exploit and monday u willl be wondering how your’re team lost. dont feel alone, 12 other teams fans have felt the same way jmho
Wow is this guy for real
I know 5 year olds that are more literate then this guy. He obviously knows nothing about football. Just flag him for being a troll.
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 13, 2009 12:06 AM MST up reply actions
correction,
housto lost twice to us, so it is just 11
it's okay den fans
i’ve been wondering why, why, why do i follow a team and support all their moves off/on season. yes, it will make me feel better about myself and give me an air confidence that was lacking. if i just support my local pro football team, i have something to talk about at the cooler or break time or lunch. j.mcdushebag has provided that for some, and i can relate to their sense of belonging. in the real world, football is played for only 13-14 weeks a year,and you are not resbons1sible where you live, in fact you choose it. why is a damn football game so important to u people, when your concerns should be gobal warming, the housing crisis, the bank failures and high unemployment. just curouiusss18
Oh, the irony.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 13, 2009 8:11 AM MST up reply actions
haha "on season"
“Off/on season”. That made me chuckle. When has anyone ever called the season “on season”?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 13, 2009 8:52 AM MST up reply actions
its okay
you don’t have to respond. football is just a game played by men who some earned their degree and some didn’t. the fact is, the colts will not draft/play a guy who has sandbagged their playing experience. they are that smart. if you can’t cut it in weekly drills, you are out, no matter what your previous experinece is. ask ed johnson. they are serious about their football, and if denver thinks they have a chance at winning this game, it will be thru special teams, and being effective in the red zones, off or def. u see, the colts will let you move the ball between the 20s, but you better make it payoff or u will suffer the fate of the ravens. nshit
The actions you take only prove that you are worried.
If you weren’t worried you wouldn’t waste your time trying to start something with all of us here.
We’ll find out in the morning won’t we?
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Oh yeah, I never thought Jamie Dukes would come on our site and blog...Wow...Thanks man..
by bfree2bronc on Dec 13, 2009 12:28 AM MST up reply actions
haha, that explains everything.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 13, 2009 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
All Ind, it appears as if your spelling and grammar is getting better with each post....
by the end of the season, I think you’ll be writing War & Peace
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Maybe he will be writing an obituary...
Here lies our undefeated season.
I’m going to the game with a Dolphins fan, maybe he’ll bring some champagne.
Rocket yeah!
Such a shame that
extra boost in confidence following your local pro team has not helped your trolling abilities. No real bait here but a good laugh indeed.
Have another beer Dude!
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Being a Colts fan talking to a so-called fellow Colts fan you are a embarrassment.
You are just a troll looking to disrupt logical football conversation.The posts you made on Stampede Blue and your inquire on how to be able to post here, for no other reason than to talk trash, proves all your intentions of trolling.
You sir/madam are a Colts fan in need of a route to the clue factory.
Charger fans are like this too
You never know…he could be a pretender, bleeding powder blue underneath it all.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
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