Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations
Happy Tuesday, friends, and welcome to another edition of Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations. Christmas is coming - and I, for one, am hoping for a much more joyous holiday season than I experienced last December. All I got for Christmas last year was the Broncos' historic collapse, and all I had to give was the one scenario that could possibly be worse than the season-ending Chargers game (it involved hypothetically cutting an apple, slipping, and stabbing myself in the groin WHILE watching that game).
I'm not much for moral victories, but today in Donny Deutschland, I will talk about why I feel better about Sunday's loss than I have about any Broncos loss in years. There's no time to waste, so let's not waste any time. Out of the echo chamber, and into the fire, y'all. Ready..... BEGIN!!!
1. I learned on Sunday that what I suspected was the case, was in fact, the case. That is, the Broncos can play with Indianapolis, at Indianapolis. It happened a little differently than I thought it would, but the Broncos competed, and got back in the game after getting down in really ugly fashion. Consider these statistics, as I pretend that I care about statistics for a moment. The Broncos outgained Indianapolis 357-312. They held the ball for 31:27, versus the Colts' 28:33. They won the turnover battle 3-1. The Broncos advanced into Colts territory on 8 of 12 posessions. These measures would tend to indicate victory, but in this case, the Broncos fell a little short.
For next time, we can internalize a few thoughts:
a. The Broncos have the players and schemes to cover the Colts receivers, pressure Peyton Manning, and generally disrupt their offense.
b. The Broncos have the players and schemes to move the ball at will against the Colts defense.
c. As a fan base, we all mistakenly thought to ourselves "Here we go again" when the Colts got up 21-0 after four possessions. We can take this game as a lesson that the past doesn't indicate the future. Those Broncos teams which got their doors blown off by the Colts passing game are definitely not these Broncos.
One general concern is that the Broncos could have run the ball better, and will need to next time. I felt the run scheme was too zone-heavy and horizontal, and it played into the Colts' plan to run-blitz the gaps. A smaller, faster team needs to be man-blocked with a vertical scheme. Those are guys you don't necessarily want moving laterally, because they're comfortable doing so.
The other concern is that at money time, Dallas Clark needed more and better attention. Josh Barrett needed to be on the field manning him up, because he's the best guy in the NFL at covering TEs man-to-man.
All in all, I am proud of the way the Broncos stayed in the game, despite some reasons that lesser men would take to quit. This was really a game which turned on a few plays, and I am pleased to know that the Broncos can compete with Indianapolis, unlike in past years. This week, it's the Raiders, and luckily, JaMarcus Russell will be under center again. Expect Elvis Dumervil to get some shots at him. The Broncos can take care of business at home, and position themselves well to make the postseason. Happy Raiders Week, friends.
2. Information From My Eyes, Broncos at Colts:
a. Andre' Goodman got beat on a crossing route by Pierre Garcon on the first offensive play of the game, and in the moment, I wondered if there was a major speed mismatch. Goodman settled down to play Garcon spectacularly the rest of the game, breaking up four well-thrown balls. Goodman has been terrific all year, but I'd call this his best game as a Bronco.
b. When the Broncos drafted Darcel McBath, I'd never heard of him. I'm very impressed with his play as a rookie, though, and he had a fantastic game Sunday. He separated Dallas Clark from the ball on a 3rd down, and also baited Peyton Manning into his third interception. It's a real bummer that he broke his forearm and is gone for the season, but he showed well when he got the opportunities. I look for him to make a serious run at Renaldo Hill's starting job next season.
c. I really "misunderestimated" the Colts' DTs, Daniel Muir and Antonio Johnson. They both played fantastic, and drove the Broncos' interior players backward consistently.
d. Ryan Clady didn't play very well in the running game, which was a departure from what we've been seeing lately. He got pushed backward several times when he lost leverage, and he misread a few run blitzes, and didn't hit the right guy. He's young and growing, and we can only hope he learns from this game.
e. Brandon Marshall was spectacular, of course. It's obvious that Kyle Orton really trusts him to make plays at this point. I wish he trusted Eddie Royal a little more, though. The truth is, though, Royal hasn't come up with some plays when he's had chances to do so.
f. I was happy to see Jabar Gaffney back in the mix this week. He's a pro's pro, and the Broncos offense is better when he is involved.
g. I was pleased with what I saw from Robert Ayers and Elvis Dumervil, despite the Broncos' lack of sacks. Both played well against the run, and generated pressure against Manning.
h. Peyton Hillis isn't a very good lead blocker, and I think a key part of the trouble the running game had was with the loss of Spencer Larsen. Larsen has been knocking heads the last two weeks, and he wasn't there this time, obviously.
Hillis is a good RB, but he's a true HB, not a FB. The truth is, he is where he should be on the depth chart; the third RB for the Broncos. Zappa said that some DP posters were calling for Knowshon Moreno to be benched, and Hillis to get the starting job. That's not going to happen, and frankly, it's asinine. Hillis could get more opportunity to make plays, but he deserves to be behind Moreno and Correll Buckhalter. There's no question in my mind of that.
i. The Colts' last drive was enabled by missed tackles by Vonnie Holliday (first play of the series) and Mario Haggan (3rd down inside the Broncos 10).
j. Oh, Dallas Clark. Ty Law did a good job on him, but he often was assigned to cover Austin Collie. Wesley Woodyard is a good zone player, but he can't cover a Clark in man-to-man. That 4th-and-4 was badly schemed, because Brian Dawkins shouldn't be manned up on Clark, either.
Finally, at the end of the game, the approach should have been to look at the formation. The power was left, and the only receiving threat was Clark, playing with his hand down on the right side. You need somebody to drive him straight into the ground, so he can't get out in the pattern. That's how I would coach that situation, anyway. Tackle him when he pretends to block, without getting called for holding.
k. D.J. Williams had a very good game, except for the one stupid penalty. Darrell Reid got (another) one of those too, while we're at it.
3. Information From My Eyes, Other Games
a. I thought Thursday's Browns-Steelers game was pretty riveting, and I almost wish I went (but not quite). Several of my friends tried to get me to go, because everybody in the world was trying to dump their tickets. It was 12 degrees, with 50 mph winds, and felt negative-7 in Cleveland that night. That's a recipe for freezing your hind-parts off, as Omar would say.
The Browns are changing for the better, and I wonder if it saves Eric Mangini's job. They're doing some very interesting things, like using Mike Furrey at FS. He's played both ways in his career, but has been more of a WR in the NFL, and caught 98 passes for the Lions in 2006, which was second in the NFL.
He did some nice things at Safety in the game, and it reminded me of Troy Brown playing defense for the Patriots, though, as I mentioned, Furrey has played defense at the professional level. You have to be impressed with a player doing what it takes to help his team win.
b. A guy who I have always liked, who the Browns found for free is Matt Roth. He got on the wrong side of Bill Parcells and Tony Sparano in Miami, and they put him on the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list, and then waived him in November. The Browns smartly claimed him, and he's played very well for the Browns thus far. The Sam position in a 3-4 is pretty hard to fill, because it's a unique skill set. Lamarr Woodley and Mario Haggan are both very good at it, and Adalius Thomas used to be, but like RT on offense, there are a lot more average 3-4 Sams than there are good ones. Roth is a good one, because he sets the edge well, and generates a good pass rush when he's called upon to do so. Finding a guy like him in-season is what a bad team has to do.
c. Two unheralded guys who the Browns have discovered on offense are RB Chris Jennings and TE Evan Moore. Jennings won a Grey Cup recently with the Montreal Alouettes, and looked like the best back on the Browns roster last Thursday. He ran with power and explosion against an excellent run defense.
I meant to mention Moore last week and forgot; but I know a football player when I see one, and he's a player. He was a big WR at Stanford for 4 years, and also played basketball for his first 2 years. His fluidity, body control, and overall athleticism jump off the screen, and really remind me of Antonio Gates. I don't know if he's as fast as Gates, but he looks to me like he could definitely be a Brent Celek-caliber receiving TE. He's been key to Brady Quinn's recent improvement, because Quinn does his best throwing work inside the numbers.
Jennings and Moore are two players who the Browns can be very excited about, as they figure out what their program is during the offseason. Like Roth, they came with no significant cost. Now the Browns just need to nail their offseason.
d. I had a friend who is a Steelers fan ask me what was wrong with his team, and I think I may have disappointed him by not having a real definitive answer ready. It's kind of a tough question to answer, really, because Mike Tomlin had it exactly right when he said it was a function of struggles in all three phases of the game.
The defense really misses Troy Polamalu, who I think might be the most irreplaceable defensive player in the NFL. No safety plays with the speed of Polamalu, and the Steelers are much more conservative in their blitz packages without him. Their CBs are also playing pretty poorly over the last five games. On offense, I think the Steelers play-calling has been suspect. Rashard Mendenhall has emerged as a good RB, and the Steelers seem reluctant to commit to letting him run. I'm not surprised at the rumblings Sunday that some offensive coaches are likely going to get whacked after the season.
e. Now, on to why the Browns won Thursday. There were two reasons. One reason is that Joshua Cribbs is a great football player, and he carried his team on offense and special teams. The other is that the Browns covered the Steelers' receivers at a shockingly high level. ST&NO Favorite Brandon McDonald was fantastic. He might have had the best coverage game I have seen from a CB this year (although Andre' Goodman was awesome on Sunday, too). Eric Wright was strong on the other side too, though he gave up a few completions to Santonio Holmes. As has often been the case with the Broncos this season, the coverage allowed the pressure to get to Ben Roethlisberger, who was sacked 8 times.
f. It was another annoying weekend when almost every game was early, including the Broncos. I had the Chicago-Green Bay game on at the same time as the Broncos game,. and as I watched some of it, I was struck by the fact that neither team showed me anything that I didn't already know about them. Aaron Rodgers continued his recent run of getting sacked less, and the Packers defense was strong again. The Bears had some flashes, but self-destructed at key times.
The only real takeaway from this, to me, is another reminder why I don't really like fantasy football. The number one player in the Official MHR League this year has been my QB, Rodgers. In real football terms, he played fine on Sunday. He completed 16 of 24 throws for 180 yards, and lost a fumble on a blind-side sack. His team won the game, so no worries, right? Well, in fantasy terms, he tanked. Not only that, I am playing Zappa in the playoffs this week, and he has Ryan Grant, who had a monster game with 137 yards and 2 TDs, because the Bears were playing coverage to prevent big plays in the passing game.
g. Speaking of guys who tanked on my fantasy team, Randy Moss, this skunky, warm Miller High Life is for you. One catch for 16 yards, and a lost fumble? Really? He really looked like he wasn't trying hard, too; it was a total flashback to the Oakland days. Good thing I had Brandon Marshall and the Eagles (TD scoring) defense.
h. I think the Patriots are in trouble, and that their culture needs an adjustment. I read Bill Belichick's sending tardy players home as a clear indication of that. Adalius Thomas lipped off in the media, and got benched for it, and Randy Moss did it with his play somewhat on Sunday. I wouldn't be shocked if both are gone after this season. Thomas is gone for sure, and Moss is a possibility. The Patriots have a lot of draft assets with which to restock the WR position, and they're pretty solid at LB anyway, with guys like Tully Banta-Cain and Rob Ninkovich making positive contributions.
It was pretty interesting how Tom Brady and Bill Belichick came to Moss's aid on Monday, after he clearly was dogging some pass routes. Michael Lombardi had a good point on NFL Network that Moss has done that his whole career, and that the Patriots probably weren't too alarmed by it. I think it's pretty bad, personally.
i. Scary moment in Arlington, Texas, when DeMarcus Ware was carted off the field with a neck injury. The Chargers had a false start, and then went right down the field in two plays to score the deciding TD afterward. Reports on Monday were that Ware would miss the next two weeks, which would really handicap the Dallas defense. Most casual fans think of Ware as just a pass rusher, but he is a rare player who stars against the run, and in zone coverage too.
j. I alluded to this thought last week, but it was well-articulated by Michael Lombardi last night; Dallas's struggles have nothing to do with what month it is. The same can be said of the Chargers and their success in the month of December. If you're playing in a lot of places where there's bad weather, then maybe the month is a semi-meaningful data point, but neither Dallas nor San Diego particularly qualifies. I know somebody is going to say that a game in December is a pressure game, but even that's not true a lot of times. San Diego has tended to be healthy in December, and Dallas has tended to be banged up. San Diego has tended to play weak late-season schedules, and Dallas has tended to play difficult ones. Don't get caught up in things which Peter King would incorrectly call a factoid.
k. That Radio Shack commercial with the sleeping scruffy dude saying "Dance, Sugar Plum Fairies" is bizarre. It makes no sense at all to me, and I can't imagine how it would make anybody want to shop at Radio Shack, or buy that craptastic phone from Sprint.
l. NBC lucked out with a great game on Sunday night between the Eagles and Giants. Neither defense looked particularly good, but both offenses lit it up. The difference in the game was a defensive TD from Sheldon Brown, and a punt-return TD from DeSean Jackson. Those plays also provided the difference in the Shallow Thoughts team beating Zappa's Sactown Beavers in the playoffs.
m. I would never let Jackson get off the line of scrimmage without getting hit. Teams just insist on letting this guy run free through their secondary, and he kills them. Little, fast guys like him must be re-routed off the line, and then you want over/under coverage on him after that. He's not the typical big, physical number-1 WR like Brandon Marshall, but he does need double-team attention, or at least Cover-3 behind him, so he can be hit at the line with confidence.
n. Brandon Jacobs, to me, is like a 98-mph fastball that's a little too straight, and rarely misses bats. Jacobs has been running harder lately than he was early in the season, but he doesn't make anybody miss. He takes so many hits, and this year, he's going down more easily than he used to. I think the Giants offense is better when Ahmad Bradshaw is getting more carries than Jacobs at this point, even as Jacobs has been better lately.
o. Speaking of the Giants, I want to share some ST&NO light with a Giants fan, because I've coincidentally been listening to his music as I wrote this part of the column. If you like hip hop, you ought to check out Nickel at his website www.SpotMeANickel.com. He's got a couple albums worth of MP3s available for free download there. I went to high school with the guy at Norwich Free Academy in Norwich, CT, and it's cool to see him doing well, and making good music.
p. As always, I watched 5 games on Monday night, and the one I learned the most from was the New Orleans-Atlanta game. Very simply, New Orleans deserved to lose the game, and I haven't seen or heard anybody acknowledge that. I take that as a reaffirmation that my effort is worth the time.
Brent Grimes got called for two horrible pass-interference penalties, on plays where he reached around his man to play the ball. Those two plays directly led to 14 points being scored, and the Saints won by 3. The officials bogusly penalized ST&NO Favorite Thomas DeCoud on an even better play in the fourth quarter too, but Garrett Hartley subsequently missed a Field Goal, so it didn't affect the scoreboard. The Saints are a very good team, and they don't need any bonus help, but apparently you can't breathe on their receivers. It reminded me of the 2006 NBA Finals, when Dwyane Wade got "fouled" practically every time he touched the ball, and it disgusted me just as much to watch.
q. Jonathan Vilma deserves credit for sealing the win for New Orleans. He intercepted Chris Redman with 3 minutes to go in the game. Then, after the Saints arrogantly tried a fake field goal, rather than taking the points and going up 6, Vilma tackled the formidable Jason Snelling cold in the open field, a yard short of the first down on 4th and 2. He made the plays that were there to be made.
r. While I'm on the topic of the Saints, here's an E! True Hollywood Story for you. Or maybe it's a Letterman-style Top 2 list. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Top 2 Things Ted Bartlett Currently Doesn't Give A Damn About (And Al Roker's Forecast Calls For No Change:)
1. Whether or not the Colts or Saints go 16-0, and on a related note, whether or not they rest their starters.
2. Who wins the NFL MVP Award.
Going 16-0 doesn't matter to anything. All it would do is create something which Peter King would someday mistakenly call a factoid (even though it's actually a fact). The only thing that matters is going 3-0 (or 4-0) in the Playoffs. Plus, the whole thing puts Mercury Morris back in the spotlight, and he's a jerk who doesn't deserve it.
As for the MVP Award, really, who cares? I may start caring if somebody other than a QB or RB can win, other than the rare Lawrence Taylor in 1986. (Since the AP award began in 1957, only DT Alan Page, K Mark Moseley, and Taylor have won the award from positions other than QB or RB. Taylor is the only winner for the Pro Football Writers Association award, which began in 1975. This is an absolute farce.)
Remember ST&NO Rule #1: If reporters vote for it, and decide it, it's usually not particularly worth paying attention to. That includes any and all power rankings, the NFL All-Pro team, all season-ending awards in all sports, and membership in all Halls of Fame. Reporters often mean well, and they add some value to the overall football discourse, but the value they add ends when they're not asking questions, finding things out, and reporting those things. When you ask them to judge something, most can't get past the very obvious, or what other people tell them, and nearly all are biased by what they consider to be the most interesting story. While that's understandable, given the fact that they're in the interesting story business, it's also self-serving, and represents noise rather than a reflection of truth.
s. The more I watch Chad Henne, the more I like his mechanics, all the way through the process of playing QB. I most especially like the way he carries out his fakes after he hands off the ball. You can tell that he's very well coached, both at the collegiate level and the professional level.
t. Speaking of good coaching, if Head Coaching jobs were being handed out based only upon excellence as a coordinator, Mike Mularkey would be looking pretty good for a shot at another job. People who know things about offense, and pay attention, know that Mularkey has been getting a lot of production out of some pretty marginal talent the last two seasons. It's equal parts scheme, knowing the capabilities of his players, and getting his guys to execute, but Atlanta's offense overachieves. Remember - Mularkey didn't get fired in Buffalo; he resigned in 2006 because he didn't see eye-to-eye with the recently hired Marv Levy. He's up there with Houston's Kyle Shanahan on offense, and the Broncos' Mike Nolan, Cincinnati's Mike Zimmer, and Arizona's Bill Davis on defense as guys who I think are adding a great deal of value to their sides of the ball.
u. I tend to dislike University of Texas players, because they have a well-known reputation for being coddled in Austin, and often coming into the NFL as soft players. A limitation of making evaluations from a distance is that you sometimes have to rely on information which may or may not be meaningful, such as the fact that coaches are prohibited from cursing at players at UT. That's pretty absurd in my opinion, like the urban legend about stress cards in basic training.
I didn't take to Brian Orakpo much coming out of college, partially due to the UT factor. Turns out, he's very good, and he's brought a lot to the table for Oakland. He has had a very good rookie season, but he was dominant on Sunday against the Raiders' bad offensive line and indecisive JaMarcus Russell. I still prefer Knowshon Moreno to Orakpo for the long haul, and I still think the Redskins should have taken Michael Oher (after the Packers should have taken Michael Oher). Orakpo was a good choice though, and is a good player, so I missed on that one.
v. I said a couple weeks ago that I was pretty sure that the Chiefs didn't regret acquiring Matt Cassel, and he's proceeded to have the two worst games of his career the last two weeks. His ability is very clear, so I still don't think they regret it, but he needs to step it up, and buy Todd Haley and Scott Pioli some cover. Kansas City has an aggressive local sports media, led by Adam Teicher and Jason Whitlock. Whitlock has already renamed Pioli as Scott Egoli, so it would be mighty helpful to this regime if they and Cassel could finish the season stronger than they've been showing, and feel like there's something to build on.
w. A vital part of a 3-step drop passing play is that the outside blocker on the throw side (usually the Tackle) needs to cut the Defensive End and get him on the ground. The 49ers RT, Adam Snyder, failed to cut Darnell Dockett twice in the first half Monday night, resulting in an Interception by Dockett, and another deflection by Dockett, which Alex Smith caught himself, and promptly was tackled for a 6-yard loss. Neither play was Smith's fault; his job is to get to the top of his drop, and let the ball go. Snyder's job is to clear the throwing lane.
x. Speaking of guys clearly not doing their jobs (and jumping back to the Dallas game because of the topic), Tony Dungy was right on when he was asked if coaching was the problem in Dallas. He said that he knows Terence Newman has been coached to jam a WR and re-route him in Cover-2, and that coaching definitely wasn't the problem on the big Vincent Jackson 39-yard catch on 3rd and 12 (right after the aforementioned Ware injury).
That was the key play of the game, and Newman didn't make it. As the play happened live, I yelled out "Where's the f$%^&* jam, 41?" I was glad Dungy called him out, although I bet he wasn't moved to profanity like I was. I've always thought Newman was highly overrated, by virtue of being a Cowboy. It comes with wearing the blue star, I am afraid.
y. Usually, when a defensive lineman is drafted highly, you expect him to be a big sack guy. The Bengals once drafted Justin Smith fourth overall, in 2001. His career high in sacks, mostly as a Right DE in a 40-front, was 8.5 in his rookie season. He had 6.5, 5, 8, 6, 7.5, and 2 in his next five seasons, which are respectable numbers, but not for an open-side DE drafted that highly.
Smith signed a 6-year $45 million deal with San Francisco in 2008, and moved to 5-technique in a 30-front. It's the role he should have been playing all along, because he's always been a physical, block-defeating player more than a speed-rushing player. It's not too different than the highly drafted Derrick Harvey from the Jaguars, or Jamaal Anderson for the Falcons (who moved to DT eventually). Their skill sets are just better suited to playing with physicality than with speed. (Harvey got only his second sack of the year Sunday, and Anderson has 0.5).
Anyway, Smith was dominant on Monday night, and consistently held the point of attack, while often penetrating and disrupting the Cardinals offense. It sure seemed like he is earning his money. I was also very impressed with the pass-rushing skills of Ahmad Brooks, who used to be just a MLB.
z. Another rookie I criticized for seeming to be soft was Beanie Wells, and he continues to play like he isn't. His TD run early in the 4th quarter Monday night was a man's TD run, all second effort. He did fumble later in the 4th quarter, but it was on a kill-shot by Dashon Goldson, who had a couple of those in Monday night's game.
aa. Genetics are a funny thing. In my family, we have something called the Bartlett Calves. My dad and all his siblings have them, and all my siblings and I have them, even my 8-year old half-sister Abby. The Bartlett Calves are notable for being disproportionately muscular and large, compared to the rest of our bodies. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 235 pounds, and when flexed, my calves are 18 inches around, which is 3-4 inches bigger than the average man's calf, and an inch bigger than the average man's neck.
I bring up this genetic oddity, because it makes me feel a certain kinship with Frank Gore, who has thunder thighs like whoa. He's found out a way to make good professional use of his thighs, because they're what give him such impressive power in traffic. Mine don't really come in too useful as an accounting manager and blogger.
ab. The jury is in as far as I am concerned for San Francisco. The 49ers are on the right track, and ST&NO Favorite Alex Smith has definitely emerged as their long-term QB. They have 2 first-round picks this season, which are both going to be in the 10-15 area. They need a CB and an offensive lineman with those picks, or maybe even two offensive linemen. This team is not far at all from the playoffs, and they're not even going to miss by much this season.
ac. The Cardinals are still legitimate championship contenders, but they got their hind parts kicked Monday night. The result of the game was more a reflection of good play by the Niners than it was of bad play by the Cardinals. The bright spot for Arizona was the excellent Adrian Wilson, who baited Smith into a dumb INT, and was around the ball constantly, the whole game.
4. I couldn't agree more with TJ Johnson's piece about deferring the option yesterday, and a smart analyst got out ahead of me before I wrote about it, which happens once in awhile with a Tuesday slot. I'm always glad to see an in-house MHR guy do it. Big up TJ! If you haven't read his article, you should. So should Don Banks (and Dan Fouts.)
From Banks:
My two cents was going to be that each team gets the ball kicked to them to start one half, and there's no way around that fact, so if you consider just this fact, it's utterly meaningless which half a particular team gets their opportunity to receive. TJ goes much further, and finds that there is actually evidence that teams who get the ball to start the second half tend to experience more success. Very interesting stuff.
5. That first-rounder from the Bears is looking really good right now. Chicago fell to 5-8 Sunday, and I like them to finish 6-10. They play at Baltimore and home against Minnesota before finishing at Detroit. For the Broncos' playoff chances, I'd like to see the Bears beat the Ravens, but I doubt it happens. A 6-10 record is probably good for a pick in the neighborhood of 9th or 10th overall. I gave a cursory look at the remaining schedules of every team with a losing record, and this is what I came up with for season-ending records, and way-too-early possible picks.
1. St. Louis 1-15 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2. Tampa Bay 1-15 Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
3. Detroit 2-14 Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
4. Kansas City 3-13 Eric Berry S Tennessee
5. Cleveland 4-12 Russell Okung T Oklahoma State
6. Oakland 4-12 Carlos Dunlap DE Florida
7. Buffalo 5-11 Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
8. Washington 5-11 Trent Williams T Oklahoma
9. San Francisco Carolina 5-11 Joe Haden CB Florida
10. Seattle 6-10 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
11. Denver Chicago 6-10
12. San Francisco 7-9
13. Pittsburgh 7-9
14. Houston 8-8
15. Tennessee 8-8
With a 10th or 11th pick, you can get yourself a difference-making defensive player like a Terrence Cody, Rolando McClain, or Brandon Spikes. You could also go outside the box, and draft a guy like C.J. Spiller from Clemson, who projects as a major home-run threat, a la Chris Johnson, at the NFL level. You have to admit, he'd make a nice tandem with Knowshon Moreno. My move, though, might be to try to trade down, and enjoy some of the depth of this Draft. (I say try, because you can't always do it.) I am treading kind of lightly with this line of thinking, because I am a well-known believer that players are better than draft picks. (A player is a real asset, and a draft pick is a derivative asset; when you're needing to operate now, it's better to have a barrel of oil than a contract guaranteeing the delivery of a barrel of oil at a future date and price.)
To me, the Broncos could get back once or twice to #20 or so, and take someone like either Mike or Maurkice Pouncey from Florida, if they elect to enter the draft. (Incidentally, I think Florida is going to lose a bunch of underclassmen.) Both are 6-5 320-pound interior offensive linemen, and would fill what I think is the Broncos' biggest roster need. The overall point, though, is that it's good to be in the position the Broncos are in right now, with this pick coming in higher than their record would earn. For those who were sure the Broncos erred in trading their own pick rather than Chicago's, I'd hope they remember that you don't know how things are going to play out until they play out.
6. Bad news emerged for QB-needy teams yesterday that Washington junior Jake Locker will return for his senior season. It was not altogether unexpected, but I believe that Locker would have been the first QB selected, and maybe the number-1 overall pick. His talent as a thrower and runner is way ahead of the other guys in this class. The guy who benefits is Sam Bradford, because if he checks out healthy, his size and arm are both a bit better than Jimmy Clausen's. I, personally, am not in love with either guy. Bradford looks like a young Matt Hasselbeck to me, while a comparison for Clausen doesn't come to me so easily. Clausen is short, average athletically, looks like he needs to get a lot stronger, and has an average arm. He looks a bit like a young Drew Brees, before Drew worked so hard to become what he became. I am reluctant to make that comparison, but it's the best one I can come up with.
7. Retired for John Elway.
That's all I have for this week. We'll be back next Tuesday with more Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations. Until then, have a fantastic Raiders Week, and Go Broncos!
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Great Ted!
Thanks!
When u talked about Orakpo, you said he brought a lot to the table for Oakland… assume u mean Washington there, and got them mixed up because they play oakland…
Oh and love the draft talk. I was wondering however: is DT a bigger need for the Lions than a good tackle?
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I think he meant
that Orakpo brought a lot to the game for Oakland to defend.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you so much, Ted
I was 200+/- words into a FanPost yesterday when I realized you’d say it for me, and better. And you did, in spades.
Your conclusion that the only thing worse than watching the Broncos lose to SD in December is autocastration WHILE watching the Broncos lose speaks for all of us. Lest we forget in the stinging days following a loss, just HOW BAD it felt last year….
"Aggression, discipline, accountability, effort" Brian Dawkins 9/29/2009
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by PositivIntegral on Dec 15, 2009 7:06 AM MST reply actions
Interesting thoughts, as always!
Quick question: As far as QBs go in the draft, where do you think the top four or so will place? I assume Tebow will drop quite a bit, but wouldn’t Colt McCoy remain fairly high?
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Thanks Ted (16-0 Question)
I totally agree on your 16-0 point (who cares…?). Does anyone actually believe that the ‘72 Dolphins were the greatest team ever? Which is a moronic but fun debate anyway. Take the ’85 Bears for example (or dare I say the ’98 superbowl champion, 14-2 Denver Broncos!), would anyone debate that for one season, they were not the most dominant team you have seen? The “number of wins” in a season isn’t the real debate, is it? While I’m at it the Pats of a few years ago were more dominant than any of recent memory, but couldn’t get the job done in the Super Bowl. THAT is what’s important, not 16-0…stupid, I agree.
You remember the '72 Dolphins
Do you remember who won the Super Bowl that year? I don’t but the undefeated record is seared unto everybody’s mind. Winning the Super Bowl this year is BIG. A year from now it will still be BIG and in a couple of years it will be somewhat big to those caring about statistics as well as the fans of the actual winner. For the rest of us it will be nothing but a footnote. I say a strong argument can be made for tbestowing significance upon a record commonly known by nearly everybody 37 years later.
by warmick on Dec 15, 2009 11:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This may be obvious but...
In 1972 the Dolphins won the superbowl, they never lost the entire year, which includes the postseason.
by Fan in Exile on Dec 15, 2009 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, you are right. I misstated it
What is remembered though is the undefeated record rather than the championship
I gotta say, I agree with warmick to an extent on this one.
Someone wins the Super Bowl EVERY year. Undefeated seasons are so rare. Even the 16-1 Pats (hahahhahahaha) did something that will always be remembered.
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Nice post TB....
I think DJ’s penalty though was a farce…..he did nothing wrong.
Refs seem out to get the Broncos this year, as we have had MANY strange and ticky tacky calls go against us!
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The penalty on Reid was pretty lame also
He took his helmet off, then put it right back on. that’s not what the rule was designed to prevent. Refs ignore all kinds of stuff worse than this.
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what he did was lame
He broke the rule. Stupid, and he was penalized for that.
agreed
Reid owned it… he knew he was wrong, and he was cut up about it. I like the way he handled himself about it, and he came out and made more plays.
But the DJ penalty was completely bogus, and it changed the game, in my opinion. Instead of a big stop, it was a big gain. In fact, I would have been upset if DJ didn’t dive after the ball. I did enjoy the next play where he laid the wood on Addai after an incomplete pass.
by SkinnyPB on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
On that one
I couldn’t tell when the whistle blew, so it’s hard to say, but from what I dismember, it looked like DJ was either already off the ground, or on his last step when the play was deemed ‘over’.
I can’t wait until we’ve paid our apparent karmic debt for Ed’s horrible call last year against SD.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 15, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
It looked to me like he was going for the loose ball.
He came in behind the receiver so he didn’t know if it was a fumble or incomplete pass.
Lame.
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
He was undoubtedly going for the loose ball
But as far as the legitimacy of a penalty, I think he was either off the ground (attempting to be on his way to the ball), or on his last step before leaving the ground (to head for the loose ball) – when the whistle was blown – so I don’t think it should’ve been called, was my point. Not to mention (and I didn’t) that he was going for the ball and it was obvious, so the fact that he hit the other player should be irrelevant as it was incidental.
The main problem (besides the officiating crew seeming to be paid off sometimes), is that the whistle isn’t blown in a timely manner most times (especially lately in the NFL, anyone else notice?), so how they have the nerve to call that a penalty is far, far beyond me.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 15, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t like to talk about officiating, but it sure seems to me like Denver has been on the wrong side of several incorrect/bad calls recently (recently being most of the season).
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it seems to be a leaguewide phenomenon
unfortunately bloggers are from able to procure the resources for a decent officials audit.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
"far from able"
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
ST&NO, FTW.
Great stuff as always. I don’t take your Tuesday morning writeups for granted, keep it up! A couple questions:
1) “Josh Barrett needed to be on the field manning him up, because he’s the best guy in the NFL at covering TEs man-to-man.” That is a BOLD statement. Can you elaborate on this? What makes you think he’s the “best” at covering TEs? If this much is true, where was he in the last SD game?
2) Re: Terrence Cody. A lot of people in Broncoland have been (and will continue to) clamor for a NT, as it’s one of the biggest roster needs right now. But is Cody the answer? The guys over at Mocking the Draft have questioned his hype, and did so again leading up to the SEC Championship game: “The shine started to come off Cody against the Gators last season. He’s proven to not have good lateral movement and doesn’t break double teams. He’s mostly just a space eater, and a big one at that.”
3) Rolando McClain has been touted as a top-5 talent, and the next Brian Urlacher. Is this a reasonable projection of him, and if so, should he be taken without pause over guys like Taylor Mays or Joe Haden?
4) I agree that the 16-0 debate is stupid, but it’s funny that you bring up Mercury Morris. While Denver is always my #1 team, Indy and NO are #2A and #2B for my picks to win the Super Bowl, if only to see one of those teams go 19-0 and (hopefully) shut up Morris for good, lest he want to open his mouth in the future when teams are “in his neighborhood.”
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NO and Indy interesting high scoring SB.
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which means
it would probably be a 10 -13 game…. :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
Hate to say it, my thoughts on Hillis...
Remember when Rush Limbaugh was fired from ESPN? Substitute McNabb for Hillis, QB for RB, black for white and media for fans. That is your answer.
Granted Hillis did some good things last year, but so did Tatum Bell straight from the mall. Where is he now, the UFL…Hillis is still on the team so that say something about how McD feels. And people who think the Broncos should play him or trade him…what team would trade for a 3rd or 4th string RB?
Look, I like the guy and glad he is on the team, but I cannot for the life of me figure out some of these comments except for the above explanation.
Oh please
Ridiculous. Hillis isn’t on the field because he hasn’t played his way there. It’s no more complex than that.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 15, 2009 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed, that is what I am saying...I am commenting on his myth
Look, I knew the would stir the pot a little. And I am not calling MHR user racists, it is slightly more nuanced than that.
I just feel that their needs to be an explanation to why a guy who no one knew was on the team until week 11, and had 2 good games and then was injured sells that many jerseys. At the end of the day he is the back -up FB, and can be a decent emergency HB.
I would like to see Hillis in more goal line situations..
I don’t care what color he is. He just runs over people and Moreno struggles with that.
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I was there when Hillis got stuffed on the goaline by the Raiders on 2 consecutive plays…if he punched one of those in I am sure it would have been a regular occurrence. Now granted, Jordan got stuffed on 4th down so I think our short yardage situation is more arrow than indian.
Wow somebody remembers
that Hillis got some looks early in the season from the goal line and was unable to punch it in just like every other Den RB this year. It is not the guy carrying the ball it is the O-line getting blown up.
OK I see
Best not to go down that road at all- nothing to be gained.
Anyway, I like the guy because he runs hard and gives it his all. I’d like to see him earn some time, but I’m not watching him practice every day so I’ll leave those decisions to the guys that do.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 15, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, that is certainly a bold statement.
Personally, I don’t think that assertion holds water, at all. If we, at MHR, were all racists, why aren’t we screaming for someone like Brandon Stokely to get starting time over Royal or Marshall? Why aren’t we yelling when Daniel Graham steps on the field instead of Scheffler?
I doubt that the Hillis callers are urging for 22 to play because he is white. People think that Hillis would add a punishing, power element to the offense and give Moreno some time to catch his breath on the sidelines. Moreno is a good back, but should not take the entire load of carries, not because of his race, but because RBs aren’t as efficient taking that many carries. Someone needs to split with him to get his carries down and if Buck isn’t there to do it, who else can we put back there?
Maybe Hillis stayed on the roster because he was better than Tatum Bell? McD figured he could use Hillis in different ways, whereas Tatum was a very poor man’s Knowshon Moreno. Also, wasn’t Hillis the starter before Bell? Bell was an afterthought, signed when Shanahan ran out of RBs. Hillis was a drafted rookie, who was already on the roster.
To insinuate that the people who want Hillis to play are racists is a very bold statement and it borders on irresponsible to throw out a claim like that without some sort of evidence to support it.
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by kentuckybronco on Dec 15, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
My point...
was that last year Tatum Bell came in from working at the mall and had decent numbers…not that he should be on the team this year. Just trying to put in perspective Hillis’s success in the 2 1/2 games he was playing RB.
You are right I have no “proof” just anecdotal things: number of fanpost, comment, jerseys in the stadium etc. It seems borderline fanatical.
I have to jump in on this one because it's the second or third time someone has brought up the race thing.
I think Hillis’s popularity with a large portion of the fan base has to do with the fact that he came in without many expectations as far as running the ball, and he proceeded to rip off our first 100 yard game rushing in what seemed like forever. A week AFTER he had a 100 yard receiving game. So, versatility and ability. Always traits fans like. Then he appeared to play his tail off and give a crap, in stark contrast to Jay Cutler. I distinctly remember the team gaining a spark, a swagger when Hillis took over. It was a spark that had been missing for awhile. Then he was humble and likeable when interviewed. The biggest thing that endeared the fans…as silly as it sounds…he brought back the Mile High Salute. He gives a crap not only about the game, but about the tradition of our Broncos. After watching Javon, Cutler, Henry playing for themselves, it was refreshing to see Hillis’s old school, tough style AND to see him honoring the Denver RB legacy in a classy way. Remember how everything fell apart when he got hurt?
And if we think it has to do with him being white, that’s BS. Reuben Droughns drummed up the same hysteria when he became our lightning in a bottle RBs. Fans LOVED him, and many were despondent when he was let go. Then look at last year. After ONE game, Eddie Royal was anointed a premier player.
And comparing Tatum to Hillis as far as last year is apples to oranges. By the time he came back, Tatum had earned a “soft” label that many fans were just not going to let go, whether he was black, white, purple, or green. Fair or not, he had made his bed. To me, dragging race into this is the obvious move, and it has zero credibility.
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At the end of last year
Casey Wiegmann was asked why the Broncos had gone into the tank the last several games. His answer: we lost Peyton Hillis.
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by bradley on Dec 16, 2009 7:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to scoff at this claim, then I looked at the numbers. Last year, Hillis averaged 4.9 yards per carry. That’s pretty good. Bell averaged 5.7. That’s much better.
I don’t think overt racism can be the charge. I do think that The Hammer’s size and running style endear him to the fan base. That much is obvious. So much of the push for him, and the perception that he’s the best back in short-yardage situations, comes down to his size and his one-cut (sometimes no-cut) running style.
Still, ince we’re mostly white at MHR, it’s also not a stretch to say folks around here likely feel some affinity for him — just as I’d be enthusiastic about a player from Chicago, or a guy who used to be a union organizer. You didn’t call anybody a racist, which I’m grateful for. But there’s no denying that race shapes these things for everybody.
That's exactly how I see it
I don’t think there’s any overt racism at play either. But historically the best white player on the team (aside from the QB who is always popular) has been a fan favorite. for example, Hillis, John Lynch, Ed McCaffery, Karl Mecklenberg etc.
And it’s not just a white thing. I know one Latino who is a huge Tony Gonzalez fan primarily becuase he’s a fellow Latino. As a Latino myself, I joke with my white freinds that the broncos need to draft more Mexicans.
Like it or not, skin color plays a role in how we relate to people we don’t personally know, becuase that’s feature that’s immediatly obvious, and we don’t really know these players very well, at least not on a personal level. I think it’s natural to a certain extent to root for someone to whom you relate.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Dec 17, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
Rod Smith made a particularly astute comment about race...
When he was asked if race was a factor in Ed McCaffrey’s popularity.
He said that it was a factor, and that he wasn’t bothered at all by it. People weren’t cheering for Eddie Mac because he was white, but because he was different.
Here's some video on Hillis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjDe0WDuCg
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From looking at those highlights, I saw nothing that showed he would have been better in short yardage than KM.
First of all, most of the highlights were passes or outside runs.
On most of the interior runs, the offensive line dominated the line of scrimmage, and first contact was made several yards past the line of scrimmage.
There was the amazing 4th down play where the blitzing defensive back hit him a yard behind the line of scrimmage and Peyton drove the defensive back back for the first down putting the defensive back on his back.
Upon further investigation, it appears that that guy was a defensive back.
Those short yardage dive plays failed because the line lost the battle at the point of attack… not because of who was carrying the ball.
I love the guy, but the highlights show that he was best when he gets the ball in space.
Okay
So put him in on third down and let him catch the ball. I still say even if Hillis just ran ahead, with the same breakdowns on the O-line, he would still gain more (or lose less) than a KM who is tired, injured, and for some reason stopping at the line of scrimmage…or juking out of a 1 yard loss into a 4 yard loss.
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Difference in race
The only difference between a European American and African American is pigment. Now if I had a problem with someones pigmentation then I would have to a problem with everone who doesn’t have blue eyes that are sometimes green.
I would imagine that a person that would bring race into something like this is a person with a problem about race. To understand that comment IMO the African American Vice Principle that I had in High School that incouraged African American students not to hang with me because I’m white is just as big a biggot as some of these hillbillies in Missouri. Bottom line IMO is race is only a problem because of the racists no matter what race they are.
Hillis didn’t play on 3rd downs because Larson was hurt.
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apparently my point is cloudy...
I agree with how McD/Turner utilize their backs as THEY are the most qualified to make that determination based on their personal observations at every practice.
I unsuccessfully, or convolutely tried to compare the “Hillis Hype” here at MHR to the subconscious identification of users (and fans) with Hillis and the idea that he does not fit they typical mold for the position.
Sorry
I believe a better answer for your question rather than race is the fact that football is a violent sport and most football fans tend to like the more violent players. Hence, that is why a fanbase would like Hillis who would run you over than Bell who would avoid contact if possible.
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I've been thinking the same thing
You can’t say that Hillis being white has nothing to do with his popularity. He’s not even in the same league as Moreno. The short yardage problems are not KM’s fault, he has been pretty impressive so far. The short yardage problems are caused by the interior of our line getting blown up when it counts.
Hillis’s popularity reminds me of Chris (Birdman) Anderson. Another white guy who does FAIRLY well at a predominatly black position. He is the most popular Nugget and comes off the bench.
I hate saying this but the Chargers look pretty awesome right now. Unlike some of the other contenders that enjoy the benefits of biased officiating (Indy) or lucky breaks like backup QBs, and missed 22 yard FGs (Saints), the Dolts are winning because of excellent play. . Unlike the last few years, I think they could win the SB this season. Itās painful, but true. My hand hurts just writing that. OHHH.
Cassell is not a Top 20 NFL QB ā not even close. There is no way the Chefs give him that huge deal in retrospect. Now they are going to have to draft an LT too early in order to protect their bad investment in Cassell. That team is miserable and their future does not look bright either.
If Stafford is back for Detroit, I think the Lions will win the home finale over Chicago and Denver will be picking #7ish overall – which would be great if a QB were still around for trading down purposes. I love the idea of trading down because Iād rather Denver address both C and OG by the end of round 2. Wiegmann and Hoch/Hamilton are NOT cutting it while guys like McBean, Goodman and Andra Davis are playing capably. Our biggest need is major upgrades in the interior O-line. There may not be NFL football in 2011 so I hope Denver can go for big things next season.
If we do end up with a top 10 pick and donāt trade back, we need to hit a home run on a guy like McClain or Joe Haden. I see value adding a potential pro bowl talent to the D to help bring balance to our roster, which is more top heavy on offensive stars (Marshall, Clady, Harris, Moreno and once upon a time Eddie Royal)
Dunlap is a BUSTer and wonāt go in the top 20. Whoever wastes a pick on him will regret it.
McBath was awesome in the Indy game. When I watch him, I certainly see a starting NFL player in the near future.
Iāll take you word on Ayers. He did flash a few times early in the game, but I didnāt see much after that. The guy has not been a play maker as a rookie, but of all the rookies, he has the biggest transition. And again, Iāve seen flashes.
Alphonso Smith is a liability and needs to remain on the bench. Teams actively seek him out and attack him when he is in the game. He whiffed on a tackle in space that turned a 2nd and 10 into a 3rd and 2. It was not the first time he whiffed in run support. He stinks and only flashes one poor play after the next.
Why didnāt we play Andra Davis more on Sunday? I like Woodyard, but he had an awful game. The Colts were constantly turning 2nd and 10 into 3rd and 3ish with inside runs.
I was kind of worried about the Raider game until JaBust Russell became the starting QB again. Now I suspect another 20+ point victory for the Broncos and a big sack day from Elvis.
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Dunlap
“Dunlap is a BUSTer and wonāt go in the top 20. Whoever wastes a pick on him will regret it.”
I also think Dunlap will be a bust. Maybe Ted did too – after all, he did stick him with the draft-genius Raiders…
we didn’t play davis because of the hurry up with Manning and Davis is a liability in the passing game
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This makes sense.
I’m afraid Woodyard was also a BIG liability in the passing game last Sunday.
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he came in as one of Nolan’s adjustments later in the game. But to start the game, having him out was part of a package-counter for the Colt’s quick playcalling and no-huddle. He was one of two defensive keys for me, and when I didn’t see him early, Nolan’s strategy was clear. the other key was Dj, since he is in on every play, so you can watch where he lines up in sub packages in order to determine what the play call is going to be.
Early on we just ran a consistent 4-2-5, and Peyton passed well on it. Haggan did a good job on the first series of sitting on his guys and finding the ball in the running game, but Manning and Co must have felt that during that drive he was the weakest link in the Broncos coverage unit, so they got their TE (85) isolated against Haggan, but Haggan’s decent coverage forced the player to run his route to close to the sideline and their wasn’t enough room for a reception in the endzone.
Denver immediately substituted Woodyard in for the next two plays, and the first one was a curl route by Clark where Woodyard swung about him like a glorious white and blue cape. It was equal parts strength and savvy on Clark’s part to manipulate Woodyard like that. The next play was a run, and then Haggan came back in for the goal to go situation, where he covered an outlet out of the backfield. Unfortunately Peyton found a softspot between Dawkins (over) and Law (under) which let the WR sneak over the goalline. It was a great playcall and the receiver put his route on exactly the right line between two zones.
That first series provided two key points for the Colts going forward: Clark was a good matchup against Denver’s second LB, but it needed to be the inexperienced Woodyard, not Haggan, and they might be able to cross something underneath Dawkins later for a gain (which they did). Denver also showed a corner blitz that got hot read for a first down…no surprise there.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
funny thing
I was watching the Charger-Cowboy game on Sunday and I had the same thought. I thought that maybe this is their year. It pains me to say it but put them up against other top teams in the league right now and they beat them all.
Another one of your points about the needs of our team being on the interior line rather than on the front 7. It’s amazing how far we’ve come and how much has changed. Before the season we all thought we were fine on the O-line. “Best in the league” we said. Wrong. “Our front 7 needs help we haven’t upgraded we will suck up front” Wrong. Who would have thought that? Amazing.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 PM MST up reply actions
Someone, i forgot who made an interesting comment.
We will all forever remember that the dolphins won the 1972 Super Bowl but we have to think hard to even won it 3 years ago.
Its true and when you think about it like that, it mind tend to change thinking.
The MVP is exactly like the heisman
al davis will start drafting nonspeed players before a defensive player wins
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I’m even going to itemize my responses, in case anybody cares. No Xs and Os here, since my feed was down and I didn’t get to see the game after the first quarter.
1) Fantasy football stinks. I like fantasy baseball as much as, and maybe more than, the real thing. I don’t have time to watch baseball, and more important, good fantasy players = good baseball players, especially if you Jimmy you league settings. You have none of this tradeoff where a run-heavy game hurts a proficient but numerically pedestrian performance by a quarterback. Getting a hit is always good. Driving in runs is always good. Stats never reflect the real world, but they’re much closer in baseball. Besides, who on earth needs side action to make football more exciting? It’s football.
2) Factoids are like truthiness. Anyone who uses the word is either a) mocking the concept or b) too stupid to argue with. I have a good idea which camp Peter King falls in to.
3) I wholeheartedly endorse the trading-down strategy. The way to maximize value out of a deep draft is quantity. To me, the ability to trade back depends on the availability of quarterbacks and left tackles around the Broncos’ spot. Those are the players teams get desperate for. If somebody thinks Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford or whomever is worth the #11 pick, the Broncos should be able to move down. If they let Marshall walk for restricted free-agent compensation (I wouldn’t like it, but it’s a decent possibility), they could have a ridiculous number of draft picks in the first 3 rounds of a very deep draft. That would really be something.
4) Orton will be the top free agent quarterback on the market. His price will really go up. I’m banking on the fact that he knows he’s got a good thing going, and that no team trying to juice fan interest will throw big money at a quarterback who’s routinely mocked for having a weak arm. I love it when the Broncos get praised, but from a personnel standpoint, it’s better for your players to be underappreciated.
Sorry McGeorge
I see you beat me to the punch on the QB-trading-down point. Didn’t mean to plagiarize. If I wanted to do that, I’d just say Alphonso Smith sucks.
by Chibronx on Dec 15, 2009 9:06 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree. Alphonso Smith does suck. Rookies with promise usually have good and bad games. Not Smith, he just has bad ones and bench ones. I’ve heard all the excuses for his poor play and I’ll hear them again next week and the one after.
But I have a hell of a lot more to say about the Broncos than Alphonso Smith sucks. That was a cheap shot.
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Come on, don’t have such a thin skin. I start conversations with you about all kinds of non-Alphonso Smith topics all the time. I’m even going to do it again below. I just fear for your mental state when it comes to Smith. The dude has gotten under your skin to a remarkable degree.
Phil Rivers gets under my skin.
Alphonso Smith just bums me out since we wasted a good 2010 draft pick on the guy.
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Patience
I think next year we willl see what #33 truly has to offer.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 15, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
But why not this year. The guy is 24 years old. Same age as Ryan Harris, one year older than Eddie Royal. This guy had several years of college ball and such under his belt. He is about as physically developed as he is going to get. But he doesn’t look ready at all does he. If he doesn’t come around by mid season of 2010 (by coming around, I mean looking like he doesn’t suck ā so I’m really not asking much), it will be time to move into a new direction.
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Agreed
However, this type of defensive scheme is a huge change for him.
From what I gathered, in Wake Forest he didn’t have much scheme to adhere to, it was mostly man-situations – and I remember his combine interview, he was (for good reason) confident in his ability to cover any receiver.
The main reason I say next year, is not only to gel his understanding of the zones/schemes, but to gel with NFL playing speed. As is, he only gets ‘garbage’ time for the most part, and I personally, don’t think he has fully absorbed the ‘new’ system (new for him).
Then again, I like the kid – and the fact that he used to catch rabbits, with his own hands and feet, to better his agility/skills. So, in other words, I do have a bias LoL
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 15, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Ted
Always look forward to your article each week
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Another great ST&NO.
I said a couple weeks ago that I was pretty sure that the Chiefs didn’t regret acquiring Matt Cassel, and he’s proceeded to have the two worst games of his career the last two weeks.
Why don’t you start to say that the Chargers didn’t regret acquiring Philip Rivers? Maybe he’ll have some of the worst games of his career, soon after.
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alphonso smith
too early to write him off. not easy playing secondary as a rookie, although obviously mcbath has looked a lot better this year. but his college experience probably prepared him better for the NFL. The Phonz is going to get it together and I am pumped for next year. Wouldn’t mind seeing him return some kicks to let eddie rest up and return to dominance at WR.
When he gets a new job
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"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Frankly,
I’m stilled amazed he made the 53 man roster. There were a couple of rookies I would have brought up in his place.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
The obvious difference
Is that Moss has now been in the league for what, three full seasons?
That’s enough time to judge. 12 games isn’t.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Dec 15, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
I think 3-4 seasons is enough to call someone a bust.
Can you think of any non-quarterbacks who only started being good after 3 years or so?
KO and BMarsh
Bmarsh will NOT be taking a hometown discount and will have crazy amounts of money thrown at him. My gut says he wouldn’t choose another team over the broncos if we match the $, but, will we want to match the $? will we have more glaring needs? will he be playing as hard as he has so far with serious $$$ in the bank? on the whole though i say bite the bullet and pay the man to keep him in orange.
KO, on the other hand, I can see wanting to stay put with Kid McD, and I don’t agree (maybe this is wishful thinking) with Chibronx that he’ll command top dollar on the free agent market. I think we’ll be able to resign him at less than what he should be making, because for whatever reason people STILL aren’t convinced he is a top QB. Which I don’t agree with! I see plenty of arm strength, pocket presence, offensive IQ that will only get better with more time in the system, and I think the knocks on his mobility are exaggerated, especially when he’s got serious ankle problems. A smart, team-first guy who reportedly has one of the highest pain thresholds in the game for QBs? Thinking KO is the problem is just being unable to move past the winning formula we had with Elway. This is a totally different scheme and needs different qualities. And we need help elsewhere way worse than a pricey upgrade at QB. I say, KO for 3 more years at least, and then we’ll reassess where Brandstarter is.
I think we do agree. I didn’t mean to say he’d command a premium price on the market. I was just trying to point out that he’ll be the best signal-caller for sale, and that market dynamics can do crazy things to the price of any good.
I think we should all complain about his noodle arm more, just to keep the price low.
Marshall was our offense vs Indy. I don’t know how Denver replaces him if he leaves. Eddie Royal has proven he is not the answer at #1 WR. Is Gaffney?
Maybe we become a running team if Marshall leaves? I don’t know. Losing Marshall would make us instantly much worse on offense. He is far more valuable than the other WRs/TEs on our roster. Adding a Dez Bryant wouldn’t make up for the lose of Marshall, not in year 1 or 2 anyway.
Losing Orton would not be good either.
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by McGeorge on Dec 15, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think anybody is saying that Marshall’s departure would be good in football terms. But yesterday you put out the number of $10MM per year for him. That’s a lot of money, especially for a guy with an injury history. A guy who tried to start a fight with his starting running back one month ago. I don’t want him to go either, but I think we all need to consider the fact that he might be out the door.
I haven’t heard anybody say the receiving corps would be OK without him. I have no faith in Royal right now. Stokes and Gaff are high-mileage and clearly not starters. Who knows what Kenny McKinley’s doing. But if Doom and BMarsh each cost $10MM per year, no part of me believes that McDaniels and Xanders will tie up 1/5th of their cap in two players. And recent NFL history says that WRs are easier to replace than good pass rushers. Maybe they take the comp picks for Marshall, draft CJ Spiller and a guard and try to become the 2008 Panthers/Titans. I don’t know, and I don’t like the idea. But what does the team look like if they keep Marshall and let Doom go?
The question isn’t whether we want Marshall to come back, it’s whether management is going to do it. I think we all need to brace ourselves for some changes.
Maybe I simply don't get it...
…but I don’t understand the logic that Denver has to choose between the two. Neither is scheduled to be a UFA, and history seems to suggest that there isn’t a big market for tagged players. I think the controversy this offseason is going to be a new round of McX is ruining these guys by not treating them ‘fair’ with market value contracts. Tough t’s, I say.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
That’s what I get for running with hypotheticals and not double-checking the details. I was taking as a starting point the argument that each would get open-market contracts at $10mm per year. That’s probably not a good starting point. I’m trying to remember when the last time a team paid the multiple-pick price for a restricted free agent was. I guess we’re looking at one new contract and one franchise tagging. The going rate for the Franchise last year was around $9mm for both positions.
The focus on next year is probably off, but if they keep producing, it still seems unlikely they’ll both stay long-term.
Do you know Denver's cap situation?
Because Bowlen’s history suggests he’ll spend right up to it.
I also believe that McD has ‘won’ the locker room, so to speak. Throw that Denver is a quality football town and market (a good place to play), and I can’t help but to be optimistic that Doom and Orton, at least, would be open to some home-town discounting. In other words, I’m hopeful that everybody but Marshall will strongly consider something under ‘fair market’ for UFA’s. I’m not ready to rule out Marshall having that mentality either.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
I guess that I’m taking at face value comments about Bowlen being cash-poor in the short-term, owing money to Shanny (he didn’t think he would when he fired the guy), and listening to Joe Ellis, who, family history aside, is urging Bowlen to cut spending and run a tighter ship. The Broncos didn’t spend to the cap (or even close to it) this year.
I like Bowlen, and I’d like to believe he’ll spend plentifully. I guess I’m just girding for disappointment.
I'm not trying to be argumentative...
…sorry if I come across that way. I’m just curious.
I don’t think he spent to the cap last year because they didn’t have any veterans worth retaining…that hadn’t already, at least, been retained.
I guess I’m not used to worrying about whether the Broncos can and will do everything possible to sustain and improve.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Tend to agree
I think Bowlen has shown he’ll spend when he thinks it’ll get him wins. I was under the impression that this past season he wasn’t shown a need to spend a bunch more than he did. And I think that’s been proven correct. Could he have been planning on the future? I like to think so, but then I enjoy the KoolAid so some may think less of my opinion.
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
You’re not being argumentative. I think we’re just reading the situation differently. I hope you’re right, but I can’t shake the feeling that the team has been trying to lower the bar for acceptable spending levels in recent news stories. Maybe the issue is that reporters are lazily interpreting “no more hugely expensive free agents” as “we don’t want to spend.”
Thats my theory.
I think reporters are way overestimating the pain of the dead Shannahan money and misinterpreting their activity last off season. Last offseason, they didn’t know if Marshall would grow up, if Doom could translate to the 3-4, etc. I think it was just good business, not a trend towards cheapness.
I hope, at least.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
I think Bowlen's directive to McDaniels
Was do anything and everything to improve the team. I think McDaniels did for the most part, but McDaniels is smart enough to be cost conscious and not run the team into the ground through bad FA acquisitions.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 15, 2009 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
Marshall
Iām not ready to rule out Marshall having that mentality either.
Marshall might be disinclined to give Denver a home team discount because he’s an east coast kid – from Atlanta, and maybe he’d like to go there. but I bet Orton would like to stay, and Doom also.
We will now discuss in a little more detail the Struggle for Existence.
Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)
One thing
I think Marshall has shown that he has a loyal streak in him. I don’t think he liked that Shanny was fired. And I see reasons to think he’s developing that loyalty to, as much as this may be a shock to the MSMer’s… McD. I think he genuinely believes in and likes playing for Josh McDaniels. How that’ll translate is still to be shown, but I am convinced he’ll at least WANT to stay in Denver.
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
I think Marshall has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he’ll go where the money is.
If that is Denver, that is where he’ll be.
Being restricted will certainly give Denver some leverage as to where he ends up and how much we are compensated if he goes elsewhere.
Marshall has a lot more leverage today than he did in August, but Denver is still in a pretty good spot here.
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By behaving like a complete jacka** in several interviews this offseason and even some comments made in recent weeks.
The guy loves football (no doubt about it), but he has also made it so very clear that he loves money and knows this is a business.
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My impression is that Marshall is willing to stay in Denver IF
and only if – The Broncos will pay him more than he can get anywhere else.
Neither guy is a flash in the pan player, but Elvis would fit this bill more so than Marshall.
Marshall has dominated the NFL for three seasons in a row (100+ catches). Elvis had an off year last season.
As such, me thinks Marshall will get a new deal since he would likely draw more interest as a franchise player than if we tagged Elvis. Every team needs WRs, but not every team needs 3-4 OLBs. Plus Elvis is just so-so vs the run.
So I think we may tag Elvis and sign Marshall LT. $10/MM per year, but I’m sure our cap guys in Denver will pro-rate this differently and backload a lot of that money.
We can’t afford to lose either player. All NFL teams have to have stars, including the Pats. Bailey was paid like our star and now Marshall and Elvis will be those guys in the future taking a big bite out of our salary cap. I hope Bowlen has the financial capabilities to pay-up to the very high end of the salary cap for the next few years.
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In fairness to Elvis
The Scheme we used last year gives him in Mulligan in my eyes
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by dmitchell624 on Dec 15, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
It's entirely possible
that Bailey may be the one on the chopping block in order to make room for bigger contracts for others. Bailey still has a lot of value though and could even be a saftey convert in the near future ala Sharper.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 15, 2009 10:06 PM MST up reply actions
I’d agree if Alphonso Smith had come around this season, but either Smith is not yet ready or Smith just stinks. Either way, we don’t have a guy on the roster that is ready to step into a starting CB role.
I don’t like it, but I understand why we drafted a CB in round 2 of the 2009 draft, I just think we took the wrong one.
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I think the salary cap is $128MM so your 20% cap number on two guys is no quite accurate.
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If they don't agree on a new CBA before March,
there’s no salary cap next year.
did you actually type that mcGeorge?
“Losing Orton would not be good either.”
I agree completely, jus didn’t expect you to concur
you already know.
That made me laugh
‘What?’
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 15, 2009 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
I “jus” don’t know who that guys is coming out of the woodwork like that.
Next thing I know, people will be telling me I never liked Champ Bailey or John Elway.
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:-) you don't like Elway or Champ?
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by dmitchell624 on Dec 15, 2009 5:40 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Ted...
I read ST&NO every week; I was wondering if anyone else on here is down on the short yardage play calling? Iām a big McD fan, and will continue to be, but when I was watching the game my brother and I were on the phone during several short yardage situations, and we were calling the plays…Now if just a normal fan knows what play is coming, I donāt see how Indy wouldnāt. I understand our O-line was getting pushed around, and I know it all comes down to execution, but when it fails consistently, Iād like to see some variation in play callingā¦
I'm a conspiracy theorist
I’m not saying McD isn’t trying to win every game, but right now we’re not at risk of ending our season with a loss to Indy. A few years ago, we Beat Indy late in the season, only to get rolled up two or three weeks later, and embarrassed in the playoffs.
Right now, we can’t afford to give up on our short yardage running game. We need to give our guys the opportunity to get it done in those situations. Though, when the playoffs roll around, or even when we get into a clinching scenario, I expect to see play calls that give our guys the best chance to win. And if the tape says we will run on 3rd and 1, then that’s good for BMarsh and the play action.
Maybe, but I doubt it
I admit the idea went through my head too — maybe McD was avoiding pulling out all the stops in order to lull a potential playoff opponent to sleep, or at least to keep his cards close to his chest. But unfortunately there’s a lot to argue against that type of thinking.
First and foremost, as the sun rose on Week 14, Denver was 1 game out of the division. Win the last four games and if SD stumbles once they’re on as #2 seed. With Dallas, Cinti, and Tenn on the dancecard, a single stumble is quite possible. Playing conservative (ie, not to win) takes the pressure off. I have trouble beleiving settling for a wild card when the division was very much in reach.
That said, I have noticed the offense doesn’t seem to be as wildly imaginative for the past six to seven games. During the NE game, we saw some major all-stops-pulled offense which we not seen since. Play that offense against Indy and we see a very different game.
Where has the imagination gone?
by DCJ on Dec 15, 2009 1:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That guy would go down as the best...
…player in history if he could just be judged on his production against Denver. If he were the Third Reich, Denver would be Poland in the analogy.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
I remember Clark destroying Ian Gold a few years ago, now he lays waste to Woodyard.
I hate him.
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you hate with respect right?
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by dmitchell624 on Dec 15, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
hahahhahahahahhaha
Intelligent humor! Love it!
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Awesome as always...
I especially like:
Remember ST&NO Rule #1: If reporters vote for it, and decide it, it’s usually not particularly worth paying attention to. That includes any and all power rankings, the NFL All-Pro team, all season-ending awards in all sports, and membership in all Halls of Fame.
However, I would go so far as to say that reporters having anything to do with the HoF is a travesty. Its like letting a Printer’s Union hand out the Pultizers. I will forever maintain that had Davis, Sharpe or Atwater played in the right place, they’d of been first balloters— and they’re just the tip of the iceberg of players who deserve to be there, yet probably never will. For a man’s life work to come down to regional bias and back room politics amongst of a bunch of smug, and largely superficial judges, is just flat wrong. Peter King or Woody Paige deciding a football player’s legacy is like a McDonald’s cook handicapping chefs. It just doesn’t make an ounce of sense.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 12:35 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Or Gradishar
I don’t harbor the Peter King disdain many do, but his arguments against Randy Gradishar drive me nuts. Put that beast on the Chicago Bears, and his name ranks somewhere along with Butkus and Singletary. That is an absolute crime, keeping him out of the Hall. The world is bass ackwards when Ray Lewis is worshipped, and Gradishar is basically unknown outside of Broncos circles….
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
No doubt
It goes both ways. The Gradishars of the NFL are forgotten, and others are remade and reinvented— the warts are lazed and the beauty marks magnified. The most important intangible a player can have when it comes to his legacy is geography, and that falls on giving that type of power to guys that are really too lazy to do their job and venture outside the protective pack.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 16, 2009 10:11 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
NFLNetwork announced that Mike Holgren is interviewing with the Browns.
Looks like there will be a new dog in town.
might be more ina GM capacity...
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
Great read, yet again Ted
Thanks and great points, all around.
I always dig readin’ your observations of Ours and other games as well.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 15, 2009 1:41 PM MST reply actions
THIS ISN'T REALITY...
TH BRONCOS CANNOT PLAY WITH THE COLTS…
Take away Brandon Marshall and your offense was nonexistent. The fact is Brandon Marshall was held in check pretty much the entire game. None of his passes were for over 10 yards. My son who plays little league if you threw him the ball 21 times could gain 200 yards.
The Broncos running game was held in check and in some cases embarrassed by the Colts defense. Did Kyle Orton throw more than 5 passes to any other reciever?
Your scoring drive to bring the game within 5, took nearly 13 minutes.
Dinking and dunking down the field isn’t going to beat the Indianapolis Colts. The score in this game is quite miss leading. If those two tipped interceptions are taking away, this game isn’t even close.
I’m not a stats guy, which I admire those who are… but I watched this game in its entirety and not one time during this game did I feel you guys were ever going to win.
You guys will need to throw the ball down field if you’re going to beat the Indianapolis Colts.
Are you a colts fan?
Because if so… you need to watch your own team. Forcing balls downfield is exactly the way to lose to the colts. Controlling the clock and playing good defense in the secondary is exactly how you beat the colts. a 13 minute drive is exactly what I want to see.
Secondly, orton completed 8 passes to other receivers, but it hardly matters… he only threw 12 incompletions the whole day. which is 10 less than Peyton Manning. It doesn’t matter who he threw them to, it just happens that nobody on the colts could cover Marshall. And I highly doubt your son could catch 21 balls in the NFL. I doubt he could catch 2… even if he’s a stud. Nothing against him, personally of course. I am 6’7" and I don’t think I could catch 2 balls in the NFL in a game.
Thirdly, you can’t take away tipped interceptions. Passing lanes and tip drills are part of the game. The broncos played well in the secondary, and they capitalized on mistakes. If you can take away those picks, then you could also take away 2 of Peyton’s pinpoint TD Passes, and we all know that’s not fair either. The game was what it was, and the broncos didn’t stop the colts on their game-sealing drive.
All in all, it was a great game. The colts looked really good, but the broncos looked like they belonged in the game (though I had doubts in the first quarter).
by SkinnyPB on Dec 15, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So what you're saying is
that a little leaguer could gain 200 yards against the Colts defense?
OK, just stretching a point. I understand that you’re trolling and using hyperbole (look it up in a dictionary — that’s one of those thick books without pictures to color in). You’re right that catching 21 receptions for 200 yards is just so easy to do, that’s why it has been done so many other times by all sorts of players. That, by the way, is an example of sarcasm (another big word you can look up).
The Colts are clearly the class of the league right now. Perhaps if you cheer for them long enough, some of that class will wear off on you.
by DCJ on Dec 15, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Why did their comment remind me of this for some reason

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
He's already got one, you see?
It’s verrry nice.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 15, 2009 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
You mean throw the ball down field to the waiting safeties playing over the top?
You know the Colts run a Tampa-2 defense, right? And you know that defense is set up specifically to take away the deep ball, right? I’m sure you know more about the Colts and the type of defense they run than people on a Broncos blog would know, right?
Right?
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
"Iām sure you know more about the Colts and the type of defense they run than people on a Broncos blog would know, right?"
Ummmm….what?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Never mind
I had to read it a few times, but I got it now. Sorry.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Uh?
Take away Brandon Marshall and your offense was nonexistent.
That’s like me saying “Take away Peyton Manning and your offense was nonexistent.” NFL games don’t work like that.
We will now discuss in a little more detail the Struggle for Existence.
Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)
(editors note:
Marshall caught passes of 23, 19, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12 yards). Not that I’m a real editor. And not that I think it actually matters if he caught any passes over ten yards. Just have an urge to spew a fact or two every once in a while.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Dec 16, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
corny talk
Take away Dallas Clark and your offense was nonexistent! Reggie Wayne and Garcon = SHUT DOWN!
I'm not trolling... I'm just stating the obvious...
Look,
Today is my day off and I rarely get a chance to interact with other fans. I watched this game and what I saw was a team that never took the lead and never looked like they were going to take the lead.
Oh,
Because I say your team can’t hang with mine, I’m all of sudden lacking class? Come on…
Yes Peyton made errant mistakes. Yes he tried forcing the ball into tight coverage to Wayne and Collie. But the fact remains take away those 3 interceptions, which you all failed to turn into scores and the Indianapolis Colts, blow you guys out.
I’ve got you all as a great pick to play New England in the wildcard round and beat them. I even hope you guys take care of San Diego for us, so that we don’t have to go through another week of “we match up well this and we match up well that… blah blah blah”
But in Indianapolis you guys do not beat us…
Pretty cocky..
It’d be one thing if you saw Denver’s A game with the same result. If Kyle Orton’s one unforced error of the day didn’t happen in the end zone. If we hadn’t lost two crucial elements to our running game very early. If Denver didn’t tackle poorly early and late in the game. If KM hadn’t been seeing that type of defensive speed for the first time. If Darrell Ried didn’t pull off his helmet for .5 seconds. If D.J. Williams didn’t get a drive prolonging personal foul for trying to recover a loose ball, etc.
Granted, I’m pretty comfortable that Indy is the better team— which isn’t especially a news flash, by the way— but I’d be careful with the woulda-coulda-shouldas and qaulifiers. Anybody who watched that game knows that there are a lot more of them favoring Denver than Indy.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
I just had to grin and bear it
with that DJ call. Seeing the flag come flying in on that play after Marshall kept getting hit out of bounds had me a bit irked. It’s one thing if you are going to “let them play”. It’s entirely different if you let one side play.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Dec 16, 2009 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Terrible posts. Both of them.
Lacking class isn’t saying Denver “can’t hang” with Indianapolis; it’s doing it in the dismissive, blatantly ignorant manner in which you did that makes your kind of commentary unwelcome in SB Nation. You cherry-pick aspects of the game, saying how the game would have gone if this play or that play didn’t happen. But they did. Manning threw 3 interceptions (the clean pick by McBath was just a terrible throw, period). Oh, Denver didn’t score after the turnovers? Neither has anyone else this year. And I’d say scoring 16 unanswered points to Indy’s 21 counts as threatening to take the lead; your biases to the contrary are…well, dead wrong.
Not only did you display lack of knowledge for the game, but also act like an Indianapolis victory was a foregone conclusion. Leave that sort nonsense to John Clayton. It’s a shame that you came here to cheaply deny that an opponent didn’t beat your team only because of missed opportunities. Almost every Colt fan I’ve met, as well as those I interact with on here, show nothing but class, even after Sunday’s win.
You, Sir, are not part of that distinguished group.
"I'm a Michigan Wolverine, which means I'm the only one who watches 'Rudy' hoping he pulls a hamstring or pops a quad." - Rich Eisen
Take away the 3 interceptions and it's a blow out.
Take away the effects of aging and retirement, and Elway rolls up 600 all-purpose yards and TD rushes for another 150 yesterday. Take away two of the Colts linemen, and Doom has at least 12 sacks.
Or, leave everything exactly how it played out, and stop with the “take away” garbage.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
If, if, if...
“If” Dallas Clark doesn’t play, the fact remains, you take away those 3 TD’s…Colts LOSE!
Sorry homer
I don’t buy that viewpoint at all.
Denver made MANY mistakes in this game that could have turned it around. I not only think we could beat Indy, I WELCOME the opportunity. My hopes for our playoffs go through Indy and win or lose, I love our chances there.
Your point about throwing the ball down field is just silly and shows you don’t know much about the defense Indy runs 99% of the time.
Back to your bridge. :)
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Just so I've got it straight
Your thesis is “take away Brandon Marshall (completely) and take away three interceptions Manning threw and the game would not have been close”. Well, you’re probably right. Pretty weak statement you’ve made, but it is probably right.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Dec 16, 2009 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Don't bother "taking away" anything
The Broncos is a pretty good team but if compaired to The Colts, they are completely outclassed. Denver would not win one in ten games against Indianapolis this year. We all hope we will get to the playoffs. It will be a great achievement for The Broncos but if they last long enough, there is no way they won’t get eliminated by The Colts. As many others before the game, I thought that just maybe they had a chance but the undeniable reality soon proved that they cannot compete with what is truly a superior quality team.
Agree somewhat
I agree the Colts are a better team, but thought the way the entire game played out showed that the Broncos CAN compete with what is a truly superior quality team.
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
Ditto
Yes, they played well enough (after the first quarter) to make it worth watching but I have to agree with Justin Pugh that the outcome was never really in question
Can't argue with that
If they hadn’t self-destructed in the red zone, I may have felt different.
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
I agree that the colts are a superior team.
I gave the broncos a 30% chance to win before the game, and it turned out to be pretty accurate from what I saw. I’d say the colts win 7 out of 10… which is still pretty good, but I think it’s overstating it a little by saying the broncos wouldn’t win 1 in 10. They are good, but they aren’t superhuman (Peyton notwithstanding)
Really?
The broncos wouldn’t win one in TEN against the colts? You should’ve watched the game where they played against each other. Not even a diehard colts fan would argue that the colts would go 10-0 against the broncos, even if all the games were played in indy. If Buck doesn’t get injured, we win that game.
by MontanaBronco on Dec 15, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Great stuff as always Ted; coupla questions
Looking at your way-too-early draft predictions ;-) are there any OGs (guards, not original gangstas) worth taking early next year? I assume not at the pick Denver will have around 10 or so, so who would be there for the 2nd pick? Interior line is where they really need to look next year, and another fullback and other things like that they may not be glamor positions that you take early… just imho.
Also, who do you think is more likely to be starter for Broncos in 2010, McBath, Smith or Bruton? I like them all but sounds like you’re thinking McBath is next in line, yah?
(PS: One minor typo in section ‘u’, "he’s brought a lot to the table for Oakland [should be Washington])
And is it for sure that JabaMarcus Russell is playing on Sunday? Sounded like Cable is mulling it over, as he should. Frye isn’t scary but might give them more of a chance to compete. Hope he goes with JMR even though he had a good game in Denver last year, though that was against a much crummier D.
Is anyone worried about a trap game vs the Raiders? Hope they’re up for it.
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There is a Vandal out of Idaho that has a shot at being very special. I’m watching everything I can on him right now, to get a good feel for him. Mike Iupati. I am trying to get a a handle on how he would look next to Clady….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I think I recall you or someone else here talking
about him before. Sounds very worthy, reading about him, looking up stuff online… Maybe a 3rd rounder?
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I got him linked up over on the 'Some Draft Thoughts' fan post...
Iupati that is. Some good links.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 15, 2009 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks, I'll check it out
Now you just need to tell the Broncos to draft him, haha. ;-)
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Cable is taking his time with the announcement...
Mainly i think he is trying to get Davis on board with yet another QB switch that isn’t Jabba. He will probably fail and we will be seeing Jabba instead of Frye, and there is really no way that Gradkowski can go.
But Cable’s comments about the lockerroom and Jabba indicate that he doesn’t want to go gently into that black hole. He has three games to try to keep a job as a head coach int his league, and if Jabba starts, his percentage is lower than a fader’s bellybutton.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 15, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not worried about a trap
I think we’ve got to give ourselves a clean slate. This year’s Broncos are not last year’s Broncos. Gone are the days of worrying about any and every mediocre team coming in and beating us. I think the team is probably pretty pissed after losing to Indy in a tough game. It’s not like they rolled over, and how easy would it be to roll over IN Indy, down 21-0? They’re going to come ready to beat down some divisional tail.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Dec 16, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Ted, you always make my day with your post. Thanks for your time and energy.
I hope to comment more later if I have the time and can work around my dial-up deficiencies. Today Jane and I are married 30 yrs. Gotta go.
Just a point when I read some of the comments above:
Our guys dang near put up 30 unanswered points after spotting Mannings crew 21. A missed FG, the INT at the goal line, Reeds boneheaded penalty could have led to 3 pts and the 2 pt conversion would have been a kick. 14 more points. Even the Colts would have had a hard time coming back from that momentum swing.
Sorry, I got pissed off.
HEY GOOD NEWS!
no more fouts or dierdorf announcing……..sunday vs. the Raiders we will have Gus Johnson announcing the game, just like he did week one with his explosion of energy during the Stokley play………i’m just happy we finally have someone decent announcing our game.
That is great news
For the past month I have been watching or reviewing games that Fouts has been covering. I am ready to put up with Dierdork for the rest of the year if Danny Boy will just take a hike. It really seems to bother me when an announcer keeps swapping sides in his bias twenty times a game.
Thanks Ted for your weekly transmissions.
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that's the best news I could've imagined
Fouts is absolutely unlistenable. If that’s a word.
by BroncoInExile on Dec 16, 2009 12:08 AM MST up reply actions
WOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by kentuckybronco on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Love the CJ Spiller idea Ted
This guy would solve our kick return problems at a stroke. Look what he has done for Clemson this year when only somewhere between 70 – 90% fit. He seems to have the smarts and character that the Broncos now seek and has something like 4.37 speed and great hands too. What an addition to the backfield and the return game he would be for us. By rights he should have won the Heisman but he doesn’t play for a highly televised college in a highly televised conference so that could be to our advantage. And I am still going to tout for Riley Skinner as a pick in later rounds if he is still there.
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by BlobTheMagnificent on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 PM MST reply actions

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