TEN BUCKEYES FILE NFL PAPERWORK
by Colinski on Dec 16, 2009 5:31 PM MST
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Ten Buckeyes have filed paperwork to see where they would be drafted -- should they choose to enter.
Is Cameron Heyward coming out? That's the BIG question.
Underclassmen can declare early for the draft but the NFL has a system in place that allows them to submit their names and be given the opinion of the NFL's Collegiate Advisory Committee, a group of NFL experts on draft projection, which informs the player where they would go if they declare.
I won't attempt to re-trace the evolution of the CAC -- because I don't know it -- but what's important for us is that Cameron Heyward, a stellar DE34 who's actually deserving of our (Chicago's) high pick, might come out. Of course, he might stay in school, too, since players often do that after seeking the CAC's evaluation. And he said that he would stay in previous comments to the media, but many players say that and enter anyways. It seems to be the thing to do -- talk about your teammates and how much you want to come back regardless of what everyone else says and then declare anyways.
Heyward will be given a first round grade (IMO and others'), despite what it says on draftnik sites, which are often not up-to-date at this point. It's possible he'll come in slightly lower, such as a 1-2 (late 1st, early 2nd), but he's going to be getting very good news from the CAC. It's only a question of how good, since he could propel himself into the top few picks in 2011 if he decides to wait one more year, and the lure of an even higher salary might reinforce his decision to wait.
All we can say at this point is that "we'll see." January 15 is the deadline for declaring for draft. It may take a couple weeks for the CAC to perform its draft evaluation but we'll know fairly soon, and Heyward will be asked repeatedly until the question is settled on Jan. 15.
I know what I want for Christmas -- a dominant DE34 named Cameron Heyward in a Broncos uniform come April. And I'm willing to wait until then, do you hear me Santa?
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Never heard of him or the CAC
Thanks for the info!
"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent
Question;
When can a team approach a player seeking to come out in the draft and say, hey man, you come out in the draft and we will pick you at such and such spot if you are still available. Or, are teams restricted in doing so? This something that has been on my mind for a while.
see agent's journal on PFW
I recall reading something on this. I don’t know if teams can contact a player without the risk of sacrificing his eligibility, but any player who is two years removed from entering college (i.e., eligible for the draft) can submit an evaluation request and receive an impartial and authoritative opinion on where he would go.
Since contacting an agent will get you suspended, I doubt that teams contact player BEFORE they’ve declared. Teams have contacted declarees and stated their interest in drafting propects at certain point in the draft but those verbal promises are only statements of intent. In other words, verbal statements are as good as the paper they’re written on.
Teams may intend to draft certain players at certain points but everything in the draft is contingent. We know from stories that teams want to draft players but the draft unfolds in ways that thwart the best of intentions.
no goats, no glory.
bring him to me
longtime buckeyes fan, here(longer than the broncos, even, back when the nfl was second string). i’ve been watching this guy during his impressive collegiate career, and he fits the bill. any bill. strength, battles, disrupts, makes plays, it’s all there. also fills a position of need, if mcd reconstructs his draft philosophy, somewhat. for christ’s sake, his dad had a head made of iron! what else do you need to know? go buckeyes
taste my blitzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense
I rely on the opinion of others
A reliable source scouted his performance in the Penn State game, which led to glowing evaluation — of course, considering his performance. Heyward’s season statistics won’t wow people however, but maybe that’s a blessing for us.
What’s frustrating about this upcoming draft is the overabundance of 3-4 scheme-appropriate talent. Heyward is still only a 1-2 pick according to credible sources but he’s a perfect fit for a 3-4 scheme. The tendency is to want to stock up, and that’s why I’ve been insistent about trading down, as well as suggesting that we could trade Scheffler. There’s a huge amount of value in the late 1st through 2nd rounds. My suggestions have even been misunderstood as advocacy of a purge like last year. On the contrary, we lack holes this year, but the opportunity to draft talent who fit our needs is extraordinary. I don’t expect draftees to immediately start but the potential to find future starters and quality depth is enormous.
BTW — I checked the Big Ten’s all star team just to see who beat out Heyward for 1st team All Big Ten honors. The only true DT on the first team is Jared Odrick, who’s another prospect that should be very high on our list, and he’s also a great fit for DE34. Another first team member is Adrian Claypool, whose size is a bit of concern but his production makes him a very interesting prospect for around the 4th round. My point is that a single conference offers a veritable wealth of prospects for our defensive scheme. And that’s not even addressing the other positions. We could stock the team for years to come if we had a few more relatively high draft picks.
no goats, no glory.
Interesting indeed.
If the players contact an agent they are suspended. If it is found they contracted an agent they become ineligible to play college ball. There is also a minimum age level a player can be drafted that comes into play, although I think this is better understood now than it was a few years back.
While I find draft projections interesting, I think I’ll wait until after the bowl and playoff season to get really serious about it. There’s going to be a lot of schucking and jiving between now and then with coaches and players.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
rules on contact
As agent, yes, but an NFL team? I haven’t checked whether that’s an NCAA infraction. Regardless, players do have the opportunity to receive a draft evaluation from the NFL’s CAC, which is an allowable contact.
I think the CAC is a response to the influence of unscrupulous agents and a way of preventing individual teams from attempting to lure athletes into declaring.
Also, I recall the 3-year rule (i.e., eligibility 3 years after a H.S. senior’s would graduate — I believe) but I’m not sure how it relates to age. I know of people who’ve entered college well before they were 18 but they’re intellectually mature rather than NFL ready. There are some players who have never gone to college. Otis Sistrunk used to say he attended the University of Mars. There must be some rule that governs when non-college players are draft eligible, although the commissioner could merely rule on a petition to enter, which he does now for some cases. There is a supplemental draft, which I believe is for some of these cases. The last one has single player — Jeremy Jarmon, now of the Redskins.
no goats, no glory.
Looked it up,
A player must be two years removed from high school, so it really isn’t an age rule per se.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
my mistake
I thought I said 2 in the opening but corrected it because it seemed wrong.
True juniors (no redshirt) are eligible and Sophomores can be if they’ve redshirted (Maurice Clarett hadn’t completed 2 in 2004 and went to court and lost, and was drafted in 2005). Both true juniors and RS sophs have completed 2 years of college, so that makes it 2. I should have said 2-year rule but I was confused by how it was calculated (and I’m not looking at any reference material, which is what I usually do). A junior has completed 2 years but is in his 3rd year, so it’s a little confusing.
I think there was something in the back of my mind about when the eligibility clock starts running, which is a different issue related to NCAA standards.
“Early” entrants declare for the draft by Jan. 15 or use the supplemental draft process, and late entrants (e.g., Myron Rolle, etc.) can have their name removed from consideration, I believe. This allows teams to be drafting from the same pool of players, which wasn’t always the case — again, I believe. We still see the occasional player who is considering playing another sport, but the NFL has now created rules to deal with almost any contingency.
no goats, no glory.
No problem Colinski,
that’s why we all love it here…we all have a knack of finding out the truth and sharing it.
Thanks for the added info as well, that’s good stuff there.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
a correction
Looking at he literature I’ve posted I see that I was right in saying a 3-year rule, since 3 years need to be completed before eligibility in the draft. What I say above — that RS sophs and juniors are eligible — still holds. My arithmetic is the problem. I don’t know whether the 2 years after HS holds, but maybe we can look it up.
Subjects like this one aren’t particularly interesting me, I’ll let others keep track of the rules. It’s not a good fit for my personality.
no goats, no glory.
LOL
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
resource on the issue
Here’s what I have on this subject.
My bookmark section is so big that I don’t always know what I have.
no goats, no glory.
I know that feeling
Lol
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
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