We should consider trading Doom, Marshall or BOTH!
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 17, 2009 4:27 PM MST
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Elvis is awesome and I love him. He is also an undersized, situational pass-rusher whose stock will never be higher and who is going to command MONSTER money whether he stays in Denver or goes somewhere else. I still feel that much of Doom's success is attributable to Mike Nolan and that we should capitalize on his success by trading him when his value is at it's highest.
Similarly, I love Marshall, but his stock will be soaring after his 21 catch game and strong finish to the season. He's a great player, but if we could get two 1sts and a 3rd or something like that for him, I'd trade him in a heartbeat. He will also command RIDICULOUS money and I think we could get great value for him, as opposed to before the season. I also think he is still more of a me-first guy that doesn't fit into McD's plan and, remember, he's always one character slip from a one-year suspension.
We have a strong team, but it's an older team. We need to continue to infuse youth and speed into our secondary and youth, size and strength into our front seven if we are going to sustain success. And, as shiny as the elite WR and marquee passrusher are - and I love both of these players - to sustain success in this league, you need an abundance of talent on both lines and throughout your team. We need to fortify the interior of our O-line. Our D-line needs to be upgraded at every position. We need inside linebackers galore b/c Andre Davis has maybe 1 or 2 years left. We need another talented corner and likely another safety. We need another OLB and probably another running-back (as crazy as that sounds).
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Ummm.
No!
For the amount of first rounders you would get it would be paying those first rounders ridiculous money and they are unknown quantities. Last year Stafford got like 40 million in guaranteed money. Marshall and Doom might cost that much but you know what you are getting.
We’ve waited a long time to have an elite pass rusher like Doom. It’d be ridiculous to let that go when we’ve needed this since Trevor Pryce left.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 17, 2009 4:33 PM MST reply actions
???
You want to trade two of our best players instead of paying them. Who exactly takes their place? Marsh is a big part of our offense and Doom is by far our best pass rusher.
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-Brian Dawkins, on the play of the defense
Once he gets his hands on you, there's not much you're going to do. Then you can't outrun him, you can't run around him, you can't really run him over -- so you've just got to deal with it."
Elvis Dumerville, on Ryan Clady
And I also believe that Doom does a decent job in coverage.
I’ve seen a few games where doom has tackled the running back off a screen pass.
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by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Dec 17, 2009 4:45 PM MST reply actions
Uh...NOT!
-Richee
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
-Your concious mind can only hold one thought at a time, positive or negative. Which is it going to be???
Here's my initial response to your post title:
You should consider laying off the crack, my friend.
Seriously though…what are you smoking!? We are building a solid competitive team…why in God’s Green Earth would we trade away our two BEST young talents!? You don’t trade away young talent, you trade away old talent. I’d be okay with trading either if we got a really good deal, but if it were my call we open our pocketbooks and keep both these guys.
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Nope
I can see where you’re coming from….But they are both young and probably the 2 biggest impact players on the team. Usually you want to build around players like that, not get rid of them.
Draft picks
are a pig in a poke. Doom and Marshall are proven players.
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kudos for the cojones it takes to make this opinion
It takes courage to express an opinion that is going to be undoubtedly very unpopular on MHR. I do agree with your assessment that Doom’s stock comes majorly from the personnel he plays with and from Mike Nolan’s scheme. However, I’m a noob when it comes to the intricacies of the game.
I do not share the opinion on Marshall’s credentials. And, if you look at the NE system, they like receivers with good YAC’s and Marshall is a behemoth when it comes to that. However, I can’t but feel a little jittery with his feelings for the Denver front office. So, I don’t know how to feel about trading him, especially since he will get us some major picks if we do trade him.
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I have a lot of thoughts on this.
I won’t go into all of them though. I think there is something to be said for letting great players go if the cost is too high, or if we can get good value. Of course, getting good players is the name of the game, and we have those two right now.
So here are two very quick thoughts.
1) I have a sneaking suspicion that Marshall will be with another team next year. I think it will be his choice to move on.
2) I disagree that Nolan is responsible for Doom’s greatness. Remember, Doom was an active force in pressuring QBs well before Nolan arrived. I’m not taking anything from Nolan, who has used Doom perfectly. I’m just saying that Doom has always been a gifted DE/OLB, even before Nolan’s arrival.
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 17, 2009 4:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I disagree about marshall
He really has no say on if he wants to move on. He is way to important to let walk. If he does not want to sign a contract he will be franchised.
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 17, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions
But if he doesn't want to stay long term...
What are we going to do Franchise him every year (which adds 20% to his previous franchise tag each additional time).
I agree that if he doesn’t resign by next season he will be franchised. But if he ultimately wants to move on, I think it is in our best interest to trade him (at some point).
I really do not think he wants to get traded
I think he just wants to win and that is what the Broncos have been doing. He has to know if we trade him it will be to a bottom dweller. He will get paid but he will lose all the time.
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 17, 2009 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
Like many of us
Marshall wants to be paid what he’s worth in a supportive environment that has an appreciation for doing things well.
The Broncos organization — even if they franchise him — can provide the money, they have a great supportive coaching staff, and Bowlen/McDaniels are serious about winning.
I see Marshall in Denver next year, believe it or not, Ripley!
I have written more below
but I agree that B Marsh is a little sensitive and I think he wants to feel appreciated.
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What have you been smoking dude
You build through the draft. Develop the players and then pay them to keep them. Doom is not undersized for the position he plays now at OLB. He is a bit undersized for a DE but he does not play that position anymore. He also makes up for his short stature with his power, long arms and huge hands. Marshall is easily a top 3 WR in this league. You do not trade players like this. You pay them what they are worth becaue they make your team better. I will take a proven NFL player over picks any day of the week. Even if we get 4 1st round picks(which will not happen) the players that we draft with those choices are not guarantees. Also the money we have to pay all those draft picks would add up to more money then just paying Marshall and DOOM.
Marshall and DOOM are number 1 and 2 on our list of possible UFA. We need to sign them both in order to keep the winning going. You never let your 2 best players walk
by gnarlybroncodude on Dec 17, 2009 4:59 PM MST reply actions
HE'S 5' 11" -
That IS undersized for a 3-4 olb, dude. Get your facts straight. And yes, he is a great passrusher, but he is a one-dimensional player.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 17, 2009 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
James Harrison
6’ even. Last I checked, he’s not bad. Doom’s got 8lbs on him too. But I suppose, 1 extra inch means all the difference I guess.
Who cares?
Who cares how tall he is? How tall is Maurice Jones Drew? He is one of the best backs in the league. In fact, I would argue that Dumervil’s height is one of his biggest strength. He is able to get major leverage under taller tackles and he uses his arms (I believe he has the wingspan of a 6’5" person or taller) extremely well. You can’t argue with results. Dumervil provides us with a pass rush, and if pass rush is his one dimension, I will take it.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 17, 2009 9:52 PM MST up reply actions
except he doesn't
he’s been good at playing zone pass d, and a monster at breaking up screens.
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I'm confused about
your comment about this being an older team and saying we should trade our two youngest stars, and probably the best young talent we’ve had in years.
I see your point about making sure we get something out of them if they leave, but let’s make sure they don’t. Like many here, the draft is a crap shoot at best and I’d rather spend the money to keep these two studs.
~me
How about running back?
The three that McD feels comfortable with are 1) Buck, 2) Knowsh and 3) Lamont Jordan. Youth? Uhm, no. Our linebacking corp? Andre davis is in his 9th year I think – how many more years does he have? Yes, we have a young nucleus, but we need more youth and talent on
1) interior O-line
2) front 7
3) secondary
4) RB
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 19, 2009 12:22 AM MST up reply actions
Draft
We can & will address these needs through the draft. We have a pick in each round I believe (if not then we for sure have 6 picks). Plus Chicago’s pick is gonna be high, possibly within the top 10. We may be able to trade down from there to pick up another pick or 2.
We do not need to trade our best offensive player or are best defensive player to address our need for youth.
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Thank god you're not making our personnel decisions.
Yeah let’s get rid of McD and Mike Nolan while we’re at it. You know what? Lets change our mascot too.What about the Denver Pine beetles?
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still gives me nightmares. i think as i get older, i realize that i don’t really give a crap if it’s the system, if it’s the management, or if it’s the cool new shoes a player just bought — if you can find a guy who gets sacks, KEEP HIM. (ode to trevor price).
as far as marshall, that’s just silliness. if you think that good wideouts grow on trees, please, everyone, read mcdaniels’ dissertation yesterday on how difficult the position is. it’s a heckuva lot more than catching a weird shaped ball. and by the way, if there was ever a “hint hint, we’re going to write a big, fat, freaking check” quote, that was it.
I will rec you just for having the balls to post something like this.
I enjoy watching the debate on this one.
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yeah, i should've added that to my post as well...
i don’t really agree, but this is a great post as far as discussion. good job as usual, GJ. rec’d.
Agreed. Same here.
I don’t think that the broncos should get rid of Doom or Beast, but I appreciate that you put yourself on the line and went for it. Kudos.
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 17, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
It is ballsy
but this seems less like a debate and more like a guy dressed as a steak walking into a tiger’s den.
~me
yum.
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 17, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
If the Colts can keep a nucleaus of Manning, Wayne, Freeny and Mathis
Than we should do the same with our stars, Players like this make a playoff team not break em…..
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I might be wrong...
But don’t we free up a TON of money that we’re still paying to players who are long gone due to Shanahan’s mishaps? Dont’ get me wrong, that’s not a shot at Shanny, I love the guy, but I’m pretty sure I saw somewhere earlier this year that we were paying 10 mil. or 15 mil or something to players who were gone and I have to assume that a chunk of that should go away given another year.
yeah
Here is a story about the Broncos’ dead money. I didn’t reread it at the time of my reply to answer this question, but it looked like we should have some freed up — assuming we don’t add to it.
~me
I'm not as vehement as other commenters
I think BMarsh showed everyone how good he could be. And we don’t have anything approaching this kind of production behind him. Eddie is in a major slump. Who will catch passes if BMarsh is gone?
Sure, if BM wants to go, we will have to let him go, eventually. But in the worst case, franchise him for one year.
I’m more open on Doom. I think he is more of a system player then a pure talent and agree with “his value can not be higher” sentiment. I just don’t see how we could get value for him. Sign and trade? Doubt that.
Not Marshall, probably not Doom
I don’t understand any reason why we would trade Marshall. He is an absolute beast and huge weapon for the offense. The only possible reason would be his off-field/attitude issues, but these (i) seem to be lessening and, more importantly, (ii) are well-known to any potential trade partner and will be priced in to any potential trade.
Doom is also a great player and I see no reason to actively try and trade him. However, if the right deal is there, it is more conceivable. We already have Ayers, who is fairly similar (assuming the coaching staff thinks he is likely to develop as desired), and while a very good player, his stats are probably more impressive than his future performance is likely to be. That said, he is a very solid player, especially in our defensive system. No real reason to try to trade him.
no way
we cannot trade marshall he is the obvious reason that jay cutler looked good at qb and makes orton that much better and doom is becoming a big part of our d these players are only in there 4th yr we need to build around these players also we dont need high first rnd picks the pats colts and steelers never have a high pick and always get good value
I don't see trading either, but...
If we do trade one, it will be Marshall. His value will never be higher, just like Cutler’s was this past offseason. Marshall has proven that he is an elite talent in this league, despite the fact that he has been an idiot off the field at times. He is having the best season of his life with Kyle Orton of all people throwing him passes. He is 14 catches away from having 100 in three straight seasons, which is downright silly. He has scored more touchdowns this year than any other year in his career. He is having the most efficient season of his career in terms of catches to drops ratio. He is not fumbling. He has been quiet. He seems to get along well with our coaching staff. Pat Bowlen said he is in for a big pay raise.
Wait, those all seem to be reasons to keep him. My mistake.
If we trade Marshall, we better get a Cutler’s ransom for him. Our offense needs him, and in a bad way. He will get his cash, and so will Dumervil. I think we keep them both.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WaYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Why would you even consider trading one of the top WR’s in the game. Broncos need to keep one of the top play makers in an Orange & Blue Uniform. Doom has produced every year and he’s reaching his peak as a OLB perfect for the 3-4 why in the world would you want to trade another player maker. Both Elvis & Marshall need to stay put! Future picks don’t guarantee they’d be better let alone starters.
Sorry but you’re off the mark on this one!
oc60
We are past the trade deadline so it have to be in the offseason
but no
we can have some paid guys on the roster… trust xanders
and continue to draft well
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That's what I mean - offseason
. . . after the season. This is not baseball and I figured everyone would know what I meant.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 18, 2009 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
for those of you who say Doom is a system player
he was only 5 sacks behind mario williams coming into the season→ just sayin
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
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playing about 1/2 the snaps, too
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
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the man just caught 21 passes
and you’re thinking of trading him?
my thought was more like, “damn, sign him up son!”
by RockyMountainHigh on Dec 17, 2009 11:03 PM MST reply actions
Right . . . but . . .
if you look at these guys as investments, which organizations do, you buy low and sell high. When a player is at the height of his value, it is irresponsible not to consider trading that player. This is pretty simple stuff – and that is why I am raising this question. The average NFL career is like 2 years, both of these guys are in their 4th year – how much longer will they go? Maybe 1 year, maybe 10. I dunno? Saying that future draft picks aren’t worth as much is isn’t true – they have values and I’m not even saying anyone would be willing to pay us what these guys are worth. But, if they are . . . as McD said, we’d be irresponsible not to listen. ;)
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 18, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
Gotta figure in loyalty at some point....
There are teams and coaches that players like playing for, and gravitate towards when it comes to the free agent period etc. I’ve been around long enough to know that loyalty usually pays off in the long run.
Players are better than draft picks...
and these guys are not only players, but young ones that can only improve too.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
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There will be some head shaking this offseason, I guarantee it.
But, you don’t get rid of a top 5 receiver in the league unless you just can’t get along. Marshall isn’t going anywhere unless they get great compensation for him. Dumervil on the other hand is one of those rare players who can perform even at a height disadvantage. I believe both of them will be here unless some dumbass team like Chicago comes along.
I think...
You release them both…Just kick em out of the AFC West..But Im a Raider fan so I kinda really dislike Marshall. I like Elvis cause he’s doing tremendous things for someone whos 5’11. But seriosly dude? You wanna trade your 2 best players..Are you high?
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
This coming from a Raiders' fan
I wouldn’t expect a simpleton like you to understand implied values, average life-span of NFL careers etc. We’re talking about a guy who roots for a team who spends their first round pick each year on the fastest guy in the draft.
My point, if you can read, is that nobody is off-limits and if somebody like the raiders wants to offer us Namdi, a 1st and two 2nds then we should take that for Doom. When you have a guy who posts 21 catches or a guy who gets 20 sacks – that output is awesome, but nothing guarantees it will be replicated in the future. People like Dan Snyder and Jerry Angelou and (cough cough) Al Davis will give tons of value that give them a cosmetic shot in the arm but gives good organizations like us draft picks that turn into building blocks that = sustained success. Case in point = the Richard Seymour deal. The Patriots lose a guy who’s value is extremely high, but they get value and don’t have to pay him next year. That keeps them young and stacked with talented players. Unlike you guys in Jokeland who bring in players based on past accomplishments like (cough cough) Javon Walker.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 18, 2009 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
Richard Seymour is past his prime
This strategy works with older players on the downside of their careers, not with your best players in the prime of their careers. You don’t improve your team by trading away your young superstars.
If you want to look ahead for the next big name trade we might make, I would take a close look at Champ. Champ fits the “Seymour deal” line of thinking much more than Marshall or DOOM.
I say we pay DOOM, throw the franchise tag on Marshall and then set our sights on the Super Bowl baby. Another offseason of solid moves by McX and we are gonna be a damn tough team to play.
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While you are at it
How about trading me a solid gold chicken for this here egg, you can hatch it and hope you get something bettter:)
by Broncanatic on Dec 18, 2009 9:36 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
That is about as good an illustration as I've seen here.
totally on target.
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by HillisRanUover on Dec 18, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Yup
If you CAN’T EVALUATE TALENT. However, if you trust yourself and your ability to scout, your chicken egg theory is off the mark. If Al Davis was making our decisions, I’d agree.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 18, 2009 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
Good thing McD can evaluate talent
That’s why DOOM & Marshall will be on our team next year. Because they are talented.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Draft picks vs proven commodity
I would argue the large contracts required, would not be that much different than the money required for high draft picks. Generally, those propositions are 50% at best, and you have to wait 2 years to start seeing results. I think you have to stick with young proven guys.
My gut says the BMarsh, Doom, Kuper, Orton will be on the team via some method (since no CBA there are various ways depending on player).
PS. If 50% of your passing offense is targeted to one guy, then you better keep him or you have a BIG void to fill.
sounds like...
the “trade champ” posts of the offseason-cash in on the high value of the commodity, and just replace him. picks do not equal proven players, and this past draft has some serious improving to do over the next few seasons. for example, doom is leading the league in sacks(no small thing, people), and we have, cost-wise, 2 first-rounders, 2 second-rounders, and 2 3rd-rounders in reserve roles, at the moment. this will likely change in the future, but you need guys to help you win in the current season you are playing. that being said, i don’t see marshall signing with us(his choice) unless it is forced by the cba situation.
we should try to keep them both, but with orton, kuper, and scheff on the table as well, it appears difficult. my guess, if we keep these 2, we let scheff and kuper walk, unfortunately, and sign kyle to a reasonable deal, with bonuses/incentives to sweeten the pot. but doom and marshall are tops at their positions. i think kuper and scheff are somewhat more replacable with depth and picks, if we have to. just my opinion
taste my blitzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense
Sort of.
Champ is on the home stretch of his career, while Doom and Marshall have just found their stride. At least when people talk about trading champ it is based on the fact that getting rid of him now would maximize his value, as opposed to waiting for him to retire to get a few picks.
This argument, you are trading away two players that may or may not have even reached their full potential, yet. They haven’t been in the NFL that long and there is still room for improvement for Beast and Doom, in my opinion.
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 18, 2009 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
If someone offered us a first round pick + for champ . . .
We’d trade him and we should. He’s had a great year but he’s getting hurt more often and, as a comodity, he’s not worth a first round pick at this stage in his career. Thus, if we’re offered more than he’s worth, we should take the offer – which is MY POINT ABOVE if you guys would read the entire post. Value is the point. Value. Value value.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Dec 18, 2009 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
I understand that logic with Champ.
However, there is no telling that you would be getting maximum value with Beast and Doom, as I stated earlier. This might have been the least productive year in the next 5 years of play. If we trade them, we’ll never know. If Doom goes out and gets 35 sacks next season, we’ll be kicking ourselves next season because we thought we got “maximum value” this offseason. Keep in mind that he was drafted in 2006. So, this is only his third NFL season. Brandon has also only been around since 2006. These are young guys and could seriously improve in the next few years.
You don’t get rid of young star players on the upside of their career. You just don’t. Champ is a completely different story because his production has declined in the last few years and he is getting to the age where CBs aren’t as effective as they once were. His days of 10 picks per season are behind him. Doom and Marshall, however, are not.
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Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 18, 2009 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
I'd also point out...
That both offensive and defensive systems in the NFL are quite complex, and you don’t just ‘fill in’ for somebody even if you have equal or better talent. These are players who have less than a year in our current system and with the majority of their teammates. The great teams have the same names on their backs year after year. The Colts and Pats have the same core players year after year, and they don’t get rid of players just starting to hit their prime.
Agreed. Thanks for adding that kgrone.
To add to that, drafting players is not guaranteeing that they will be spectacular in the NFL. For every Jerry Rice, there is a Ryan Leaf. Just because you’d get a first round pick for marshall or doom, doesn’t mean you are going to get an equal or superior talent with that pick.
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 18, 2009 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
Marshall not signing with us since it's his choice
that being said, i don’t see marshall signing with us(his choice) unless it is forced by the cba situation.
It’s not his choice if we franchise him. Then if someone wants to pay him more than we are willing, we get compensated with that team’s 1st round pick. There’s usually not too much interest in franchised players. Marshall may not get a choice in who he signs with at all.
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Dumervil must stay.
He is the only weapon that other teams fear on defense and have to game plan for each week. He is ultimately much more valuable to the team than Marshall. I have mixed feelings about Marshall. Clearly he is a unique talent, but does he make you a better team in the win column is the real question. Plus there is still the concern about maturity and off field behavior that I don’t feel is completely resolved.
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we should try to keep em' both
that’s the reason why I haven’t bought any of those guys jersey, we know what happened with anybody that bought Cutler’s last year, but to be honest I love Marshall and even if he goes to another team I’ll still be his fan, that guy proved this year that he is Indeed “The beast”
Yeah I'd like to see him get through an offseason without making headlines for the wrong reason.....
But the guy has shown heart on the field, and an ability to get over some of the negativity and make amends with McDaniels. That shows me a lot. Sign the man…..
I have 3 reasons to re-sign Doom
Trevor Pryce
Reggie Hayward
Bertrand Berry
The Broncos let these guys walk because of money. They proved their worth and our team has suffered for it. My opinion is that this lesson should have been learned by now.
As far as Marshall goes, I believe he wants a big payday slightly more than winning. with one exception, the Super Bowl. I feel he is making progress as a person of good(better) character, but I remain unconvinced that he wants to be a Bronco in the future. His talent has never been contested in my eyes and I wish him the best. If he really doesn’t want to be a Bronco, then go ahead and trade him, or match any offer for good return value.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Our history is full of regrets regarding good sackers
Like KaptainKirk mentioned, we had good sackers that we let go because for whatever reason the team thought they could make better use of the money that was not paid to them.
Let’s look at Trevor Pryce’s numbers after he left Denver and compare them to our best sacker since but not including Doom’s numbers since both could be considered excellent sackers.
Pryce’s sack numbers from when he first joined the Ravens to current date. Starting in the 2006 season he now has a total of 25.5 sacks since he left the Broncos. The 2007 season was pretty much a washout for him due to injury with only 2 sacks that year.
For the Broncos best single sacker (not Doom) in the time frame from 2006 to date, that person would be Ebebezer Ekuban with 12 sacks in two years. His 2007 year was totally lost to injury and he does not seem to be playing at all in 2009. Pryce’s total in that same time period is more than double that! Our next best player in that time frame played only one year for Denver and the rest for the Raiders with a total of 11.5 sacks for Gerard Warren.
For more food for thought: A better way to compare would be to record all of Pryce’s sacks starting his 5th season in the NFL to date to give an idea what we could be missing with Doom if we trade him after he finishes his 4th season. Pryce has played 9 additional years past his 4th season and he has a total of 54 sacks in those 9 years which includes 2 years severely constrained by injuries.
By contrast the Broncos career team records for sacks that is more than 54 sacks includes only Fletcher, Mecklenburg, and of course Pryce himself who had 64 in his Broncos career before adding 25.5 more elsewhere.
If you asked the coaches back then for a do over, without question they would likely keep Pryce seeing that his numbers after he left the team are more than double anyone else not Doom.
While Denver doesn’t have the same kind of history regarding letting top receivers go, Marshall is clearly a top and YOUNG talent. You simply do not let top young talents go because they potentially will deliver dividends in spades over a hopefully long career and the money is probably well spent considering the insane prices you have to pay for top ten draft picks who may not even pay out or have as good a career as the guy you just let go.
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