MHR Chalk Talk - Oakland Raiders at Denver Broncos '09
I have a lot on my mind right now, and I want to touch on each issue that is rumbling around in my head.
1) The loss of Bengals receiver Chris Henry
2) The great effort by Denver in their loss in Indianapolis
3) The beating we are about to administer to the Raiders, and...
4) What is in store for the Broncos, this year and next.
Let's start with the big news of the week, the death of Chris Henry. I don't know the circumstances surrounding the death of Chris. I know there was a domestic dispute, and Chris fell out of the rear of a moving pickup truck. But that's it. I'm not interested in who was at fault, and what led up to this tragedy. Here's what I do know:
Chris was a young father. There are young children whose lives are going to be impacted by this death, and that is more crucial than anything having to do with football. My prayers are with them.
Second (and not even on the scale of importance as the loss of a human life) is the question as to how the Bengals will choose to react to this tragedy. This week the Bengals play the Chargers. As we know, the Broncos would like to see the Chargers lose as many games as possible in the final three weeks. CIN is the biggest threat left for the Chargers (the other two games are at TEN and home against WAS). Will the Bengals take this death too hard to play four quarters of football, or will they play an inspired game?
I was against SD in this game, but now I'm for Cincy. I'm sure much of the football world will be, too. Let's keep Chris's children in our prayers.
Denver is a Very Good Team
What did I want and expect from Denver this year? A record of at least 8 wins, and improved play. Well, I've received what I wanted (and expected).
- Our defense is exciting to watch! Brian Dawkins is all over the field making big plays, Elvis Dumervil is looking like the sack leader of 2009, and Andre' Goodman and Renaldo Hill have held their own with Champ Bailey for for playing at an elite level. Robert Ayers and Darcel McBath look like they have secure futures with the team, and Andra Davis has silenced the naysayers that claimed he didn't belong on the same team as D.J. Williams. Denver has one of the best defenses in the League right now, and the hiring of Mike Nolan to run the defense was brilliant.
- When Josh McDaniels had to determine the best way to get something in return for Jay Cutler, his options were limited. He took Kyle Orton and a few draft picks. Right now, Orton is playing much better than Cutler (many of us would have said this was even the case before the trade), and that number one pick from Chicago is looking like a real gem right now. Orton isn't flashy, but he isn't giving the ball (and ballgames) away either.
- I don't like the fact that we "only" rank 12th in running the ball. Still, Knowshon Moreno is on track to go over 1,000 yards for the season (despite sharing the running load), and Correll Buckhalter averages 5.3 yards a carry. I'll take it.
It sucked losing to Indianapolis, didn't it? Well, not entirely. First of all (as our own John Bena points out), this isn't the same Broncos team of the last few years that would have been blown out. It was a tight game. Denver blew some chances in the red zone (including a missed FG, and an INT in the end zone), but the team also played for 60 minutes and did a lot of things right.
I read Ted Bartlett's excellent ST&NO article on Tuesday, and found myself nodding my head in agreement time and time again with his take on our Indy game. I'd like to copy and paste many of his thoughts here, but I'd have to use most of his article, so you might as well just click the link I provided and read the whole thing again because it is that good. Here are the highlights -
The Broncos outgained Indianapolis 357-312. They held the ball for 31:27, versus the Colts' 28:33. They won the turnover battle 3-1. The Broncos advanced into Colts territory on 8 of 12 possessions.
And now I'll just paraphrase some more thoughts from the story -
We proved that we can disrupt Manning. Andre' Goodman was brilliant. Darcel McBath may be lost to IR, but he had a heck of a game before going down to injury. In fact, he was awesome. Indy didn't have an answer for Brandon Marshall (more on this in a moment). Jabar Gaffney looked good. Robert Ayers and Elvis Dumervil looked great (despite a lack of sacks). Doom (despite a recent fanpost calling for a trade due to his lack of ability in run stopping) continues to handle run stopping and pass rushing duties like a pro.
And now about Brandon Marshall. The Broncos may be trying to sound "politicaly correct" when they say that they weren't trying to get the ball to Marshall over and over. Coach McDaniels says that Marshall happened to be open a lot, so that is where the ball went. I appreciate what the coach is saying, but he's reciting "coach speak" because he's too polite to state the cold, hard truth.
The truth is, Marshall was open some of the time, and some of the time he wasn't. But the bottom line is, nobody in the Colts secondary had even the smallest trace of ability to stop The Beast. Simply put, Marshall did a brilliant job of out-muscling, out-jumping, and outdistancing his opponents on nearly every play. The Tampa-2 remains a good defense, but it still takes mediocre cornerbacks and puts them into positions to make plays. When a good QB like Kyle Orton can dink and dunk underneath the coverage, a powerful man like Marshall can make the catches and run over lesser corners. Coach McDaniels has too much class to put it like that, but that's how it was. We kept going to the well because the well wasn't drying up, and the guys guarding the well just weren't that good.
We have beat great teams this year, and lost a close game to a probable Super Bowl contender. I feel great!
The Oakland Raiders

How bad have things gotten in Oakland? This bad (warning - strong language). When the editor of a fan blog goes this far over the top, we know that things have collapsed completely. The unfortunate linked story tells us everything we need to know about the Raiders organization. Most notably, that the fan base is disgusted with their own team.
Where to begin? Denver is saying all the right things in their press conferences (such as "Oakland is a better team than their record, and they're capable of big plays if we aren't careful"), but really, c'mon now.
As a coach, I am going to pump my team up as much as possible. Any team can beat any other team if one of those teams isn't playing at a high level. But here's the problem. This is a new Denver team, a team that plays with the "Brian Dawkins Work Ethic". We don't let up, and we play hard. The shenanigans (or Shanahanigans) of the last three or so years have ended. This team is pumped up and playing hard. I frankly can't see the Denver Broncos taking a team for granted anymore.
Here is what you need to know as we go into this game.
First, Oakland is a terrible team on offense. They are second-to-last in the following vital stats - points, yards, and pass yards. In fact, they only average 11.9 points per game. And while they rank 31st in those areas, they rank only 22nd in running the ball. Denver's defense matches up perfectly - 4th in preventing points, 3rd in preventing yards, 2nd in preventing the pass. Denver is 15th in stopping the run.
Things are so bad, that posters at S&BP are excited about the prospect of seeing their third string QB get the start!
On defense, things aren't much better. The Raiders are 26th in preventing points, 28th in stopping yards, and 30th in stopping the run. At least they are 17th in stopping the pass (which isn't saying much). Meanwhile, the Broncos are a better match on the offensive side of things, though the stats aren't great. Denver is 20th in points, 17th in yards, 18th in passing yards, and 12th in the rush. Still, Denver has a record-setting WR, a careful QB, and excellent RBs.
Do the Raiders have any hope at all? Of course they do. Everything (including home-field advantage) screams for a Broncos blowout over the Raiders, but it isn't a done deal.
First of all, the Raiders have players that anyone should respect. That the team doesn't play together as a team is their downfall. The Raiders have good running backs in depth, and any of them could break a good play with good blocking and poor defense by Denver. But with a 5-2 look and motivated play from Denver, I'm not sure this will be an issue.
The Raiders also have a decent defensive line, but right DE Greg Ellis is probably out for this game. A good match-up may be LDE Richard Seymour against Denver RT Tyler Polumbus.
One of the better players for Oakland is Nnamdi Asomugha, a young and very talented CB. He'll face Brandon Marshall. Even with excellent coverage, Orton has several other places to go with the ball (3 other excellent receivers, and two TEs).
Sadly, the best player on the Oakland team (in my opinion) is kicker Sebastian Janikowski. He has the power and accuracy to make just about any field goal, and the thin air in Denver only gives him better chances to score.
Denver's biggest weakness isn't players or coaches, it is injuries. Denver's primary running back is out for this game. RDE/OLB Elvis Dumervil didn't practice, and neither did SS Renaldo Hill.
So forgive me for the keys to this game sounding a bit, well, tongue in cheek. I'm being serious.
Keys to the Game
Oakland -
- Forget about this game. If you want to start winning games, the change needs to come from the top. Al Davis is unable to keep his claws out of the team's football operations. He has brought in a boxer instead of a head coach, a QB who needs Jenny Craig more than Kirstie Alley does, and forces the team to play a vertical offense approach that has been outdated for decades. Throw in the terrible player moves of late (such as the Javon Walker signing), and this team isn't going to win many games. Until Al Davis is removed, the Oakland Raiders are the
Detroit LionsOakland Raiders of the NFL. - Pray that the Broncos take you for granted like Pittsburgh did.
- Run the ball, and pray to God that Denver makes mistakes.
Denver -
- Take this game seriously. The only way that you lose this game is to play against the Raiders as if the Raiders are as bad as they are. Play your own brand of football, and play hard on every down. Everything else will work out.
- Limit mistakes. If you want to hand the game to Oakland, get some penalties and turnovers.
- Curb the excessive celebrations. I expect a lot of great plays on offense, defense, and special teams. If you take off your helmet (I won't mention any names) or do a choreographed dance, we can get penalized. (lol)
Where do we go from here?
With a newly built team that doesn't sleep on games, I expect wins against KC and OAK at home. The game that really intrigues me is the one against Philly. I have this game circled on my calendar as an excellent game against a good team. I also see it as a prelude to the playoffs. How we play against the Eagles in an away game will tell me a lot about our postseason chances. More on that game next week.
If the Broncos can win the last three games (I'd put the odds at about 50/50) and SD loses to CIN and drops a game in TEN, I really like where the Broncos could end up. On the other hand, if DEN loses to PHI and the Ravens win out (games against CHI, PIT, and OAK), we could drop from 5th seed to 6th seed. In the end, I think Denver gets the 5th seed, regardless of the PHI game. But winning that game (along with the must-win "easy" games of OAK and KC) may prove to be critical based on what SD and BAL do.
Here's a major thought - there are four teams ahead of Denver in the playoff seedings at this point, and Denver has beaten three of them (SD, CIN, and NE). We are good enough to go far this year. We also lost to two of those teams (SD and IND). I don't think we're likely to win or even make a SB appearance. In fact, it is hard to beat any team twice (the losing team has more film that benefits them), so I think a deep playoff run is difficult.
But I wanted improvement this year, and a playoff appearance is ahead of where I thought we would be. Coach McDaniels gets an A+ for his first year.
Last year, it would have been silly to talk about playoffs this early (remember the three game losing skid?), but a new coach and a new team attitude has me believing that we will make the playoffs this year. I'm not even concerned about how far we get after that. Denver has already exceeded my expectations, and everything now is icing on the cake.
And now, for a parting shot...
I want to thank the Colts fans who visited us last week. They were friendly, smart, and active. I congratulate them on their fine victory, and for having class at our site. Well, almost all of them.
I enjoyed the following comment under my story last week...
Which is the bigger overstatement?
"Broncs have the best secondary ever assembled on one team"
OR
"Colts are facing an incredible pass rush"
Neither the secondary or the pass rush are the best in the league this year, let alone legendary. Let’s watch the game and decide which of these statements is the most absurd.
I didn't see the comment until today. Here was my answer some moments ago...
Check YOUR facts sir.
Is it just me, or is Elvis Dumervil leading the League in sacks right now? Bailey and Dawkins not legendary players with HOF in their futures? Are you kidding me?
Denver wasn’t going to win this game (as I wrote), but your comment is very perplexing. As it turns out, we intercepted Manning three times, and hurried him through out the game.
Check your facts indeed. lol
It is now clear which comment was most absurd. Funny, but it wasn't either of mine.
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Nice Write up Steve!
I don’t know what the stats are for Janikowski’s accuracy, but I’ll say this. Anytime it seems that their is an important FG to be made he seems to miss it. The one big time field goal I’ve seen him make Shanahan had called timeout. Too bad.
"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi
by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 18, 2009 11:54 AM MST reply actions
Could be.
He’s got the talent, and Mile High is a kicker friendly place. Maybe he chokes on the big kicks, but I think he’s too experienced for that to happen. I may be wrong, but he’s always struck me as one of the better kickers in the League.
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
Janikowski
I think he’s gotten better on the important field goals, but I still say the Raiders made a big mistake using a 1st round pick on him when they had Joe Nedney on the roster. Nedney went on to Tennessee, then to the 49ers, where he is still enjoying a very fine career.
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Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)
Good call.
Had forgotten about Joe.
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you sir. :)
Do you think Alphonso Smith gets an INT this week?
There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now
Tough call.
The odds might say no. In this game (with this type of match-up and with us being heavy favorites), I would tell the DBs to bat down the balls and play it safe (unless the INT is a sure thing). On the other hand, if we hassle the QB and the coverage is just too darned good, why not?
I doubt it, but I’d love to see it.
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Steve,
Great “Chalk Talk”. As you said as long as the Broncos take care of business, this game should be no problem….
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
I don't see the Raiders "taking" this game.
I think we would have to give it away. I think we have more talent right now, and much better coaching. If we blow it, we can probably blame ourselves. (A good coach will credit the other team in the press conference, but in this case, we would have to really do poorly for the Raiders to get the edge).
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
Russell stats
1st and foremost – thanks for yet another great CT,Steve. I look forward to these each week and I’m never disappointed. Rec’d!
On Russell:
Completion % – 48.0
TD/INT – 2/10
TD % – 0.9%
INT% – 4.5 (Orton’s is 2.0, just for reference)
Sack % – 12.0% (Ouch)
Career TD/INT ratio – 17/22
Value to the Broncos if the raiders keep him – priceless
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
You know, it has a better ring to it the second time, second time...LOL
Russell is a bust plain and simple, even though he has an arm that can chuck the ball out there 80 yards there are far more important factors of being a good NFL QB. He doesn’t have them.
You know...
..I kind of feel bad for the guy. Would he have developed better with another team and coaching staff? We’ll likely never know.
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Doubt it
You can lead a horse to water…
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Was he ever led to the water properly?
I don’t know; I just don’t think they train up guys terribly well in that Oakland program.
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
I know Al doesn't hire good head coaches
But I heard Rich Gannon comment and someone else concur (can’t remember who) that the Raiders have an excellent and highly respected QB coach. They were commenting on how they couldn’t believe how bad Jamarcus was given who his QB coach is.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
In Jamarcus' case
I think his work ethic is more of a factor than his coaching.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Sounds fair to me.
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
Work Ethic?
Who needs a work ethic when you can afford to eat all the cheeseburgers you want?
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
Well,
…eating that many cheeseburgers takes a work ethic of sorts, I guess.
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 19, 2009 3:11 AM MST up reply actions
You can even make an Oakland game sound exciting.
Thanks for your work. Denver has dominated KC, Cle, and Oak which coincidently are the three worst offenses in the league. The only way Denver loses to Oakland or KC is by beating themselves.
Do you think we will see more WR and TE screens until the backfield gets healthy?
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Yes, we should.
This is the game for the team to focus on fundementals, and to do what our system dictates. We are a screen team, and our backs are hurting. This would be a perfect time for the team to run its bread and butter plays and perfect them. Plus, anything we do to the edges makes the run to the gut a little easier.
Very sharp thinking 3nS!
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
rec'd for insightful thoughts
thanks steve
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
can russell even be on a PS at this point?
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
I don't know.
If he can be, should he be?
My guess is that some desperate team (that is hurting for QBs AND thinks he is salvageable) might sign him as a #3. They would also have to have the faith that their QB coach can undo anything the Raiders did to ruin this kid. That’s a lot of ifs. After this year, does the guy even WANT to play anymore?
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
Jamarcus
Russell isn’t PS eligible because has 2 seasons on an active roster, so he will either be out of the league, a backup or a starter.
I think Russell will stay in Oakland one more year if they get a new head coach, if not then that means Cable has a solid grasp of whatever is left of Al Davis balls and will kick Russell out.
Good stuff on the elgibility.
I think JM is done in OAK. Even Al can’t be so deteriorated to think that JM has anything to offer his team. No way the guy starts anywhere. So I think it is down to back-up or out.
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
I think
Al will just renege on Russell’s contract. Just look what he did to Shanahan, not to mention the cities of Irwindale , LA, and Oakland.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Yeah really
Contracts schmontracts. The Cryptkeeper is above all that petty legal nonsense.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 19, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Great write up.
Just a quick comment, though, on one sentence: “Last year, it would have been silly to talk about playoffs this early (remember the three game losing skid?)”.
Actually, last year at this time it would have been silly NOT to talk about the playoffs this early, and how far the Broncos would be going into them. Of course, that was BEFORE the aforementioned 3-game losing skid.
You are correct.
Bad wording. What I should have implied was that it is foolish to think the playoffs are wrapped up when you have a team that doesn’t play 100% in every game. Many of us got caught up in the excitement, forgetting that the Broncos were a team that played some weeks, and didn’t in other weeks.
In other words, we got excited too early. This year, we are on the cusp of getting into the playoffs (again), but THIS year we have a team that seems to be more focused. It may seem less silly (in hindsight) to be excited for this year. We are a better team all around.
Good catch!
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Great Chalk Talk Teach and greatly appreciated.
I believe we can win out the rest of the season, we’ve shown that we can beat good teams (Cincy, Dallas, NE, Giants) any weekend and Philly is no different. Mr Dawkins might have a grudge (itch) to scratch.
I don't think he'll have a grudge for two reasons.
First, he seems to approach every game the same. This is a battle of mind and muscle, and who the opponent is doesn’t matter. Also, I’m not really sure that Dawkins thinks the Eagles did anything other than a business decision. The Philly fans still love him (I’ll bet he gets cheered by Philly, and they’re a very tough crowd). I don’t think he’ll take the game personaly (but that’s just my opinion).
But I think winning out is a real possibility. The Eagles are the toughest game left on the schedule (unless you are in the Broncos organization, in which case EACH game is required to be the toughest game on the schedule or your setting yourself up for failure). But yes, as fans we can look ahead. I think the Eagles are a very, very good team. But we’ve beaten better teams too. It should be a blast!
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think Dawk has a grudge
But I do think it would mean a lot to him to beat his old team. I think that game is a little bit bigger to him than the average regular season game. I’m not saying he doesn’t give his all for every game, just saying he will probably have even more adrenalin/emotion going for the game against the Eagles.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
I agree
Plus he knows the Eagles offense. He could be a difference maker (that is, even more than usual).
We will now discuss in a little more detail the Struggle for Existence.
Charles Darwin. (The Origin Of Species)
Very good point Counsel.
I didn’t even go into that angle, but you are very right.
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
In every Dysfunctional Relationship, their usually is the Victim,
and the Victimizer. Perhaps in the raiders case, al has a new role to
play with his big bad coach….ouch
Great read as always Steve….raider week has lost alot over the years,
but I still enjoy the game.
Rec’d
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
It just isn't as fun anymore.
It is like Bobby FIscher playing against Quasimodo for the world chess championship. It’s hard to get pumped up for it, huh? I always wanted the Raiders to fail, and now they’ve done so in such spectacular fashion that the rivarly is just flat. You get what you ask for, I guess.
I’ve been finding myself more excited about playing the Chargers. They have a jerk for a QB, and they give us a real challenge.
Have you seen any Raiders games lately? (They haven’t; their games are getting blacked out because they can’t sell out seats). It is a bunch of grown men wearing old “Masters of the Universe” costumes and looking like they’re about to cry. Where’s the fun in that? Well, ok. It was fun (and funny) for a couple of years. Now it just seems pathetic and sad.
: )
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't underestimate Quasimodo in that matchup
He would have had a tremendous conviction and dedication to protecting his queen (“When an attempt was made to loosen him from the skeleton which he clasped, he crumbled into dust.”)
Unfortunately, he probably wouldn’t have had much interest in protecting his King…. In fact, he would probably lose him on purpose. (“Quasimodo had only to stretch forth his hand to save him from the gulf; but he did not even look at him.”)
By the way, nice find on the picture. I thought that stuff was top secret! :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 18, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
I was just telling my daughter that nobody seemed to notice the comment under the picture! lol
Excellent call on The Hunchback protecting the queen. She did (after all) “give him water”.
Another point to consider is FIscher’s recent demise. Hard to play well when you’re not up to snuff. I heard Death had been trying to kill Fischer for years with a game of chess, then finally decided a different game might be the way to go.
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"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
I know I have a bazaar since of humor. (BUT)
One can only look at the raider organization in but two fashions.
(1) Feel sorry for the players, through no fault of their own, they were drafted. or
As a business decision wanted or (needed ) the money.
(2) al the ______( you fill in the blank ) has brought this Team to new lows, and
the raiders have become the the bottom feeder of the league. I’m being very kind here…
(3) As a Bronco fan, I enjoy a good beatdown on rival teams, but as you have alluded too
Steve, the only way the Broncos lose, is to beat themselves.
Go Broncos
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
Great Chalk Talk Steve...
Or, as my local New Englanders would say, nice chack tack.
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Thank YOU Joe.
Ask your friends if they could hook me up with some lobstah or some chowdah. I miss Colorado, but I miss Maine too.
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Steve,
I don’t know what the Raiders are going to do with Russell, but they sure can’t afford to keep him on the team at 3rd string.
This might be off topic, but I feel your the man for the question HT. With the season almost over whats your assesment of Moreno thus far, and what do you see him becoming for us in the future? I really like Moreno, but he seems to stumble alot. When I look at other dominate RB’s in the league(Gore, Peterson, MJD), Moreno just doesn’t seem to be in the same league. I’m not to concerned about the fumbles, the big play ability is what concerns me. Any thoughts?
Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009
Still too ealry to tell for sure.
But here are some ealry thoughts on why I’m good with Moreno.
1) He DOES lead rookies in rushing.
2) More importantly, he’s got a good chance at 1000 yards for the year. And that’s with Buckhalter being the prime back in most games. (!!!)
3) The kid is still a rookie, and adjusting to the NFL can be tough. Through him in with an offensive line that is also moving towards new schemes, and some mistakes are forgivable.
4) Last, I’m ok with the lack of big play potential, especially for this kind of offense. What we really need is the ability to move the ball with consistency. Moreno is a decent blend of power with a little bit of speed, and may end up as one of the first Denver backs in a long time that is able to carry a single rusher role.
Right now I think he is where he should be at. I think he’s on a good track. We’ll know a lot more going into next season.
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Oops!
Point 3, “Throw him….”, not “Through him….”. Sounds like a Christological argument in theology on the Nicene Creed more than a discussion of Moreno. lol
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
It's easy to get Nicene creed mixed up with the words of the Dennisonites:
They shall lead the way, and though they create a wall in front of thee, yet through them shall ye find your way opened.
Have patience, and the path will be opened before you.
or the precepts of Turner:
Go forth boldly, yet cut but once, and the way to glory shall be yours.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
lol
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
"That's MR.Styg..."
by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 19, 2009 12:53 AM MST up reply actions
I guess I'm rare this week.
This one worries me. I don’t think the Hutt is just a bad QB, but he is also a morale and confidence drain. They seem to be exponentially better without him in all facets. Mix in the rivalry factor, and I think the Broncos could have a dog fight on their hands on Sunday.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 18, 2009 2:48 PM MST reply actions
The number one key for Denver needs to be "Take this game seriously"
We as fans have the luxury of knowing that (on paper) this game looks like a lock. I’d be angry as heck if the players looked at it that way. Given McDaniels and Dawkins, I don’t think we have to worry about “trap” games anymore.
Indeed, Dawkins seemed to get very annoyed at a reporter who asked if this game could be a “trap” game. I loved it!
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
True
I was also worried about going to KC…old habits die hard, I guess. This is hopefully another week where we see how powerful the change of culture concept can be.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 18, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
Denver is nothing special
That is some pretty big talk for a team that has lost 5 of their last 7 games and were thumped by the Colts last time out. The game was not as close as you try to make it.
The Jags played a much better game against the Colts.
As far as a team that has done nothing for many a year now, that would be Denver. Not since John Elway have the Denver Bronco’s mattered or done a thing in the NFL. At least the Raiders under Al Davis won the AFC West in 2000, 2001 & 2002 making it to two AFC Championship games and one SB.
Nobody 5 or 6 years from now will remember that Denver won 4 or 5 more games than the Raiders this year. They remember the teams that go LATE into the playoffs and make it to the Championship games and the SB.
To look to the future you need young players, not a bunch in your secondary that have very little playing time left in the NFL. I can see that your new coach wanted to try to win right away and thus bringing in the old timers. After this week you will find your team standing at 8-6 and another year removed from the Elway glory as just a run of the mill team.
snnyjcbs = Jamarcus Russell
Maybe you should stick to your day job………… Wait a minute, maybe you shouldn’t.
Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009
The Broncos were in the 2005 AFC Championship Game
That is deep in the playoffs and more recent than any raiders accomplishments. Since their 2002 Super Bowl loss, the raiders have the worst record in the NFL. Worse than the Lions with their 0-16 record last year.
That is something people remember. A damn near decade long streak of complete and utter ineptitude.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Ha! Well this is entertaining.
1) No one, anywhere compares one teams wins to the Raiders (lack of wins).
2) “To look to the future you need young players”—well, yeah. That’s what the future is for every team.
3) Denver may be nothing special when relating to some other stories in the league this year, but a rookie head coach has never been under fire as much as McDaniels. No other coach in recent history has had such low, yet impossibly high, expectations placed on his head than McDaniels has this year.
Just because you think Denver is nothing special, doesn’t mean Denver is nothing special. By the way, no one thought the 2005 Steelers were special either when they were the 6th round wild card team in the AFC. They didn’t do much either, except rise to the occasion and win the super bowl.
No one thought the 2008 Cardinals were special either, they said Arizona had no business being in the playoffs. They wound up in the Super Bowl too.
You seem to be Raiders fan, so I’ll say this as simple as I can. Forgive me if some words are too long for you: The 2009 Denver Broncos are special. This team has tons of reasons to be proud of their accomplishments this year. As for us faithful fans, we have every reason in the world to be excited with the future of our franchise as well as the present. Do you remember what that feels like?
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Really?
Is that why the entirety of the NFL regards Oakland as THE joke franchise?
Maybe you jokers can convert Jabusto the Hutt into a 2nd string nose tackle. Sure would be a move up from where he is now.
DHB? Another nice move by the Cryptkeeper. Personally, I hope he lives to be 150 so he can continue to run the faiders into the dirt.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 18, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
Thumped by the Colts?
They had several chances to win that game; took a late time-eating drive by those undefeated Colts to ice it. But since you’re here to talk smack, I’ll ignore the rest of your gobbledygook. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Yep...rarely am I speechless but this post does not even warrant a repsonse!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Wow.
I hope the past and the future comfort you. When you are sitting on only 4 wins, that’s all you can come up with, I guess. We won a couple of SBs in the last ten years. What has YOUR record been? (crickets chirping).
In the meantime, we’ll continue to enjoy our good fortunes in the PRESENT.
When your team can crawl out of the basement it has been in year after year, give us a call. In the meantime, save your snark for your own site. I don’t pee on the carpet in your house, have the same courtesy over here.
(At least one of them is still kicking!)
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
Hmm
Lost five of the last seven…. Yep
Won 8 of the last 13, oh yeah, better :-D
thumped by the Colts? In the first quarter, What did the Colts do after that? OH Yeah, three interceptions by Denver but they did have a fourth quarter drive to eat the clock and seal the win. Could Oakland hang with the Colts??? I doubt it myself.
Thanks for mentioning John Elway, always brings a smile…. :-)
Everyone will remember five or six years from now that Oakland was TERRIBLE for several years, those years continuing from here by the way.
Glad your crystal ball works so well concerning our older players. Do you really know how long they will play?
8-6 is possible, but it will be because Denver screwed the pooch, no credit to the faiders!!!!
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Years from now
Oakland will be known for 1 thing. How bad ownership can ruin a great franchise.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Comedy Gold!
Before this season, the Raiders had the 6th worst winning percentage in the NFL since 2000. Considering they started the decade with 3 AFC West titles, that goes to show how pathetic they’ve been since 2002 when,
The Raiders have failed to win more than 5 games.
The Browns, Redskins, Lions, Chiefs, Rams, Bills and Buccaneers have all been more successful than that over that span.
While you may be right that the Broncos aren’t a great team (yet), the Raiders are absolutely pathetic. Aim for being something other than the biggest laughingstock in the league before you start talking trash.
Raiders fans are like snarling dogs. That would be impressive but for the fact that they’re Pomeranians. It ends up just being cute.
Wow an Al Davis think a like joining the chat
Sweet…………oops you’re drooling on yourself again.
Maybe we have lost 5 of the last 7 games. how about seasons like you guys? With still no hope in sight.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Dec 19, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
Coach...GREAT effort as always, and very poignant comments about Chris Henry...
I am a VERY passionate Broncos fan but I think the death of Chris Henry should put what is REALLY important during these holidays in particular:
LOVE YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL THEM…everything in life pails in comparison to them.
Peace to all my friends here at MHR and keep a special place in your hearts for the kids of Chris Henry during this special time.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
There is a lot more in this world than football.
We write and read about football a lot at MHR. But what is really important is our families and our faiths. Merry Christmas to you. You obviously get it.
: )
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I've finally been able to sit and read this weeks Chalk Talk
and like Emmett said way up above,
“I look forward to these each week and I’m never disappointed. Rec’d!”
Some of my thoughts:
the best player on the Oakland team (in my opinion) is kicker Sebastian Janikowski.
I must slightly disagree. Shane Lechler is the best Punter in football (this year at least) by a good margin. While Sebastian has a very big leg, I think Lechler would have to be their best player.
I also see the Eagles game as a prelude to the playoffs.
Coach McDaniels gets an A+ for his first year.
and
everything now is icing on the cake
I completely agree with these. I couldn’t be happier with Josh as our coach (even though I did say his short yardage calls this week were STOOPID). Everything else is icing for a season that we weren’t expecting much of. Good thing McD is a Jedi. Kyle looks like he’s got it mastered, by the picture.
And Lastly….I loved the use of “Shanahanigans.”
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Great stuff Kaptain!
Good point on Lechler. Definately a top notch player.
: )
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 18, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
I was going to say that :)
Lechler is their best player, he’s more consistent than Janikowski (and has fewer arrests)
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
As usual, HT, really great article...
I’m glad you touched on the loss of Chris Henry, I think of the children each time an accident like this happens. My father was killed in a car accident a few months before I was born, I hope these kids have a wonderful Grandpa that can fill the gap while their mother ajusts to a new start. I had such a Grandpa…priceless.
I also hated losing to Indy, in a game we very well could have (and maybe should’ve) won. But I came away not feeling the usual depression of a loss, but the reality that we don’t need ‘La La Land’ to expect a win…we can play with anyone…period.
I love Marshall being on our side and not against us. I’m one of the few at this site that has supported Marshall through everything…period. The funny thing I noticed his rookie season was not his size or great hands, it was his unusual body and feet control for someone his size, I still say that his complete control of body movement is his greatest asset.
As far as JaMarcus is concerned, he would be a superstar in a couple years under Kubiak, Josh, or learning by watching Manning. This, also, can only happen if he wants to be a star. If he is now as rich as he needs to be…he is lost.
Concerning the Raiders….I just have to revert to a ‘TJ type’ limerick:
Raiders and Kelp do not rhyme,
Yet both decomposed to a slime,
The Kelp on the beach,
Al-Marcus both Leach,
Poor Oakland , feel sorry, this time.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned much this week.
David Bruton may be playing in Reynaldo Hill’s spot. This will be an area to watch, to see how he does. I hope he has a great game. Go Broncos and this is what he had to say over at DB;
"You want to seize the moment and seize the day," Bruton said. "And that’s exactly what I want to do if I get the chance — go out there and perform at a very high level."
Talk about building for the future with young players...
Bruton has been dominant on special teams, and I’m looking forward to see him play defense!
Excellent Chalk Talk HT.
Last year, it would have been silly to talk about playoffs this early (remember the three game losing skid?), but a new coach and a new team attitude has me believing that we will make the playoffs this year. I’m not even concerned about how far we get after that. Denver has already exceeded my expectations, and everything now is icing on the cake.
This is totally how I feel about the 2009 Broncos. They have exceeded my expectations and a playoff berth was out of the question when all the turmoil started. I love our coaching staff and players, so I am more excited about the future of our team than I have been in a long time.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Very nice post, Steve. Rec'd.
I wanted to say that I appreciate what you said about Chris Henry. I hope there is someone there to pick up the slack for his kids.
My guess is that the Bengals come to play on Sunday as a memorial to Chris.
The Raiders game gives our guys another opportunity to focus on the task at hand and be disciplined in their approach to the game and during the game. There is no free lunch.
Thanks for your insight and energy. It is about 1 am on Saturday. Time for me to get some beauty rest.
Give ’em hell, Bronco team!!!!
Jokeland...
did go to Pittsburgh and beat the super bowl champs in a game where they had Ben at QB and were fighting for their playoff lives…I think we denver fans can be forgiven for taking the Raiders seriously this Sunday.
Sorry to disagree with you...
But your statement was “The Broncs have the best secondary ever assembled on one team”.
As I pointed out, they aren’t even the best secondary in the league this year. NY Jets have superior stats in giving an average of 23 less yards passing per game this year. That my good friend is fact not overstatement.
While they did have 3 Ints. and some success in slowing down Indy for half the game, you glossed over the fact they gave up 4 TD passes. I would have expected better from the best secondary ever assembled.
Then you stated: “The Colts are facing an incredible pass rush”
Several teams this year have more sacks and hurries than the Broncs. Minny leads the league and that again is fact.
You’re argument was that they have an incredible pass rush, not an incredible pass rusher. By the way, both the league leader and his incredible teammates registered exactly zero sacks in the game. They did move him around the pocket some but they were far from incredible.
You’re welcome to LOL all you want, but Manning had the last laugh. He went 4/5 on a clutch 80 yard, 7 minute drive against those two units you overhyped. Legends are made from performances like that my friend.
BTW, I’m a Broncs fan too….and pleased with their defensive improvements. I’m just not ready to buy into your point of view.
I took issue with your statements before the game. Clearly the facts along with the game itself failed to support those two statements of opinion.
by Check Your Facts on Dec 19, 2009 4:36 AM MST reply actions
Dallas Clark...
…as always, was the huge difference maker (3 TDs), and he did most (not all) of his damage against LB’s, so had you checked your facts, you’d realize that Denver’s secondary did a lights out job on a lights out passing attack. On Manning-Clark’s crucial hook up on that last drive, that was two big time players making a big time play that God himself probably would have struggled to stop.
Its pretty easy to nitpick a guy’s analysis when all you have to do is operate in the extremes. Just suspend common sense for a moment— for example redefine ‘good’ as perfect and claim sacks are the only measure of pass rush, and boom— you can win any argument. The problem is that football is a game of nuance and details, and in the end, you confirmed that Steve has a better idea of what he’s seeing than you do.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 19, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
+1 on Mr Orange & Rec'd his comment. Check your facts,
I can only assume your a Indy fan riding on the coattails of
“one” Peyton Manning. Not to take anything away from Peyton
or the Colts and their perfect season. It is however, just a game,
and you my friend are attacking one of the most Fair and unbiased
writers on this site.
Whatever your agenda, I guess I just wanted you to know that.
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
This guy is a drive-by
Look at his last post to HT.
If this guy is a Broncos fan, I’m the head of the Phil Rivers fan club.
Check Your Facts, I dub thee Troll.
by AllBroncsallday on Dec 19, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
Awesome comment PO!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Manning threw 3 INTs against this team. He was rushed heavily. Denver arguably has two HOFers on the same secondary. Is that common? The game was close. And Manning played brillianty and the Colts won (two more things I said would happen). So far, you haven’t shown me anything that I said that I was wrong about. I’m wrong from time to time, and I have a good rep for admiting when I miss something or get something flat out wrong. You haven’t even made a case for me being wrong that is credible.
You can carry the argument over into an entirely new post, but that seems kind of obsessive to me. Other posters here have also replied to your “facts”. I think you should let it go. The Indy game was last week. I hope you won’t be carrying on about this into next year’s schedule as well.
: )
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 19, 2009 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Steve (HT) Nichols
Awesome break down as usual!
Thanks for sharing your mind and observations with us. They help me grow in Football Intelligence each week!
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I appreciate it dmitchell!
All the best to you.
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 19, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Will not be overconfidant
This week I refuse to be overconfident on the game against the Raiders.The Raiders can win if they can get the running game going and Justin Fargus has been particularly damaging to the Broncos in recent years.The Raiders have beaten good teams this year,including the eventual AFC North champion Cincinnato Bengals and they didnt need a miracle play to do it.
This team is not good enough to just take the field and expect the other team to lie down,especially in a rivalry game as storied as the Oakland-Denver rivalry.I guarrantee that if the Broncos do not come out ready to play tomorrow,and are looking ahead to playing the Eagles,they will be in for a battle.O keep having visions of 2008 and 2007 games when a subpar Oakland team beat a superior Broncos team.
by OrangeCrush4082 on Dec 19, 2009 9:55 AM MST reply actions
Agreed.
That is why taking this game seriously is my first key for Denver.
Of course, Denver has beaten more good teams than Oakland. For example, four AFC teams are in front of Denver in the playoffs right now. Denver has beaten three of them (NE, CIN, and SD) and lost a good game to the #1 team (IND).
I think we have Oakland entirely outclassed. But as you pointed out (and as I mentioned), there are solid players that can win for Oakland if Denver lies down on this one.
Formerly known as HoosierTeacher or just HT.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Dec 19, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
When you type in the dark
The I key looks like the o key.lol
by OrangeCrush4082 on Dec 19, 2009 10:05 AM MST reply actions
I think the question is will we beat ourselves
Overall the defense has been good and the game plans made sense just stupid things getting in the way.
Raider Fans
I sympathize with all those broken hearted Raider fans. I really do. I mean, all three of them are true dyed in wool Silver and Black faithful, and should be congradualted for supporting their team through all these many many many years of mediocrity and humiliation. Really, these guys are my heros, and once they make parole I know that they’ll be back dressing like Darth Vader in drag and rooting for their team just like true fans should. I just have one question for them though: Do ya have to curse so dang much….?

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